So basically it came up in SSSC that it was basically universally agreed that AndarielHalo toes the line of being useless and insulting and generally a non-contributing annoyance, and that they should probably get banned or kicked more often for their random bullshit.
Y/N discuss?
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I'd go with yes. They consistently and repeatedly toe the line.
Admin, SCP Wiki
Yeah. Every time I've been on, they've been constantly mildly disruptive.
Not a chOp:
I could wax philosophic for a while, but I'll keep it short. Andariel is such a negative factor that I avoid 19 when they are present. They post insipid twitter "jokes" at the very best, and are hostile/very willing to argue for demonstrably false viewpoints at worst.
For the record, the specific interaction that prompted the conversation was:
23:51 Spidersnake Just so I don't accidentally offend anyone.
23:51 Vince question, djoric, is that guy Nobody, or one of the Magpies from the WL canon?
23:51 Vince at the end?
23:51 Spidersnake Do most people agree that Creationism is dumb?
23:51 AndarielHalo Yes
23:51 Insidious_Lars What's that.
23:51 Vince Spidersnake: um.
23:52 AndarielHalo .y family guy creationism
23:52 Nala AndarielHalo: Evolution Creationism BIG BANG. by bello770 (1 m 33 s) - TITLE: Evolution Creationism BIG BANG.
VIEWS: 42319
- published Sun Oct 2, 2011 - 4.80/5.00 (177.0, +168/-9), 42,026 views
23:52 Insidious_Lars Oh.
23:52 Djoric Spidersnake: If you are referring to the fundamentalist literalist interpretation, and not the "God made the universe and OH SHIT LOOK AT ALL THIS FUCKING AWESOME SCIENCE" kind
23:52 Insidious_Lars Right.
23:52 Djoric then I would presume so
23:52 Insidious_Lars .def creationism
23:52 Nala Insidious_Lars: creationism (noun) - Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.
23:52 Vince Yeah, let's see… 'just so I don't offend anyone, I'm going to call a highly divisive thing dumb'
23:52 Vince good job
23:53 Vince Djoric: I believe in the latter interpretation of creationism
23:53 AndarielHalo If you're offended by creationism being insulted
23:53 AndarielHalo you have far larger problems in life than being offended by creationism being insulted
23:54 Djoric I subscribe to the, "Let's all read my goddamn tale instead of going down a path that will tunr into a shitstorm
23:54 ihp .lc
23:54 Nala ihp: The last 3 pages created were: 1. Magpie's Nest created by Djoric (25 m 46 s ago), 2. A Multi-Universal Affair created by Ihpkmn (3 h 57 m 49 s ago) and 3. Reality Check created by Zyn (5 h 12 m 46 s ago).
23:54 Spidersnake Yes, please
23:54 Djoric school of philosophy
23:54 ihp .sm 2
23:54 Nala ihp: http://www.scp-wiki.net/a-multi-universal-affair - A Multi-Universal Affair by Ihpkmn (rating: +10, 1 revisions)
23:54 ihp gorram it
23:54 Djoric Go read dat
23:54 Djoric and also
23:54 AndarielHalo I honestly don't see how it's controversial
23:54 Djoric .sm1
23:54 AndarielHalo the world isn't 6000 years old, end of line
23:54 Djoric AndarielHalo: Every conversation with you ends up in a shit flinging contest
23:54 Spidersnake AndarialHalo: plz
23:54 Vince AndarielHalo: I tend to just block out like, 90% of what you say anyways, so yeah. Probably best to move on
23:55 Djoric http://www.scp-wiki.net/magpie-s-nest
23:55 Nala Djoric: Magpie's Nest [Tale] (rating: +6, 2 revisions, 2 comments) - tags: tale, dr-wondertainment
23:55 AndarielHalo espouse science and facts = get blocked out
23:55 Djoric No
23:55 Djoric AndarielHalo
23:55 Djoric It's because you're an ass
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23:55 Vince you can share and express your opinions without insulting people for disagreeing with them
23:56 Vince or without being an utter shitlord to people for not agreeing with your POV entirely
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23:57 Djoric Now let's all shut up and read some goddamn tales
23:57 Vince Djoric: I don't think you ever answered my question- is that Nobody or one of the Magpies in the end of your story?
23:57 Djoric It is nobody
23:57 Vince okay
23:58 Vince the title threw me off after reading it
23:58 Djoric Svraka is actually serbian for "magpie", though
23:58 Vince you know what I'm referring to as far as the magpies, right?
Just a willful refusal to understand how human interactions or conversations work, combined with a lack of healthy self-doubt that would compel restraint. I'll support le boot.
While I by and large agree with the assessment of AndarielHalo's behavior, I can't support any length of ban for her without her first getting a proper Official Warning. Give her a chance to fix her problem behavior before kicking her out completely. And if she can't or won't change, then we can start the ban-wagon.
I keep feeling like she's someone who would be so much better in an environment that isn't site19. But yeah, her behavior definitely warrants a Real Warn. Hopefully she can knock that crap off.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
I messaged her.
<Soulless> Hello
<AndarielHalo> hay
<Soulless> It has come to op attention you've been belligerent to other users in the chat for basically no reason and toeing the line on being annoying
<Soulless> You've been around long enough to know what behavior is acceptable or not acceptable
<AndarielHalo> what users?
<Soulless> Multiple
<Soulless> Basically ou haven't contributed much in terms of behavior (i.e. helping others or getting along with others) while being inconvenient in terms of butting heads unnecessarily or otherwise
<AndarielHalo> I don't even know which users you're referring to, so how am I supposed to do something about it?
<Soulless> This kind of has been multiple users
<Soulless> If you need one in particular we have logs of you being fairly talk-down to Vince
<Soulless> You've shown that kind of talking-down behavior before and it's problematic
<Soulless> This is a message that you've being given a serious warning to improve your behavior
<Soulless> If you need an example of what things you can do to improve, one of them involves not insulting people for disagreeing with you
<Soulless> If you have any other questions or concerns my inbox is open to you
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User complained, general consensus was a temporary ban of sorts.
24 hours.
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<EdAWACS> I'm snippeting by tehe wat
<PixelWarrior> just gonna say halo
<PixelWarrior> CP-XXXX are to be housed in the storage area of Site-XX and contained within a box.
* Channel created on Sun Dec 21 12:23:08 2008
<Tuomey> Riemann: that's ok, you're not my real student
<Tuomey> ameertg: mark it and return it
<PixelWarrior> contained within a box is just about as vague as it gets
<Tuomey> Now, AndarielHalo has a draft
<AndarielHalo> you put it in a big box and keep it in storage area of site thing
<Tuomey> Vince: you fail this class unless you hand up your own work :|
<EdAWACS> I excelled in myu novel study of 1984
<EdAWACS> but no one cared
<EdAWACS> :<PixelWarrior> yeah…
<PixelWarrior> putting stuff in a box is not great containment procedures
<Vince> Tuomey: no seriously, read that essay
<Vince> xD
<AndarielHalo> would you prefer a room filled with honey requiring 2 level three personnel keys?
<Vince> or at least the abstract
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<Vince> AndarielHalo: link?
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<AndarielHalo> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/andarielhalo tab 3 Single-use Door
<ameertg> AndarielHalo: I feel like using SCP-XXXX causing anxiety etc. is a bit of a cliche. But then again I'm new here and so my word is not law.
<PixelWarrior> halo: You need to be clear about how it disappears
<AndarielHalo> it disappears
<AndarielHalo> as in, it was there, then suddenly it's not
<PixelWarrior> yeah that's very un-scientific
<PixelWarrior> that tells me nothing
<AndarielHalo> how do you put that scientifically?
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<PixelWarrior> you be clear about what you mean by disappear
<AndarielHalo> It disappears
<AndarielHalo> It's there, thens uddenly it's gone
<PixelWarrior> disappear is visual, A., and does it leave the content of the barrier behind, B.
<AndarielHalo> No
<AndarielHalo> It was there, blink, no trace of it remains
<PixelWarrior> be clear about that because disappear means you can't see it
<ameertg> I don't think "drug bust" is a professional term.
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<AndarielHalo> how do I be clear about it?
<AndarielHalo> Seriously, how do I put it "scientifically"?
<ameertg> How you said it above
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<PixelWarrior> "The after closing, all physical components of the door instantaneously vanish, with no evidence of its existence left behind, the material the door was installed into remains normal and reverts to a state prior to installation."
<PixelWarrior> Or something like that
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<AndarielHalo> just the first time, I hope?
<PixelWarrior> which is basically the same thing, except "disappear" leaves lot's of room for extremely different interpretations
<ameertg> Once closed a second time the door instantly dematerializes, leaving no trace of its existence.
<dexandroid> Guys
<ameertg> yes?
<AndarielHalo> I seriously don't see how "disappear" would be considered "unscientific"
<ameertg> Disappear means invisible
<AndarielHalo> I'm pretty sure actual scientific documents would use "disappear" in the same context
<Eskaway> disappear is literally "you can't see"
<Eskaway> not "you can't touch"
<PixelWarrior> ^
<Eskaway> "it was visible, now it isn't"
<Eskaway> "become intangible"?
<ameertg> appear, disappear
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<AndarielHalo> •cease to exist or be in use.
<ameertg> be in use?
<Eskaway> which letter defitinion is that?
<AndarielHalo> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disappear
<AndarielHalo> to stop being visible, to stop existing, to become lost
<AndarielHalo> to cease to be
<Eskaway> the first one is correct, the others are colloquial
<Bream> I think the concern is that there are multiple meanings, some of which are not what you intend.
<AndarielHalo> It's fucking…
<ameertg> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/disappear
<AndarielHalo> this is becoming hyper-semantic
<PixelWarrior> it's not
<AndarielHalo> It is
<Eskaway> it's correctly semantic
<Eskaway> these are things that are taken into consideration when using clinical tone
<ameertg> ^
<AndarielHalo> this is ridiculous
<ameertg> Its not that big of a deal. Just change the word
<Eskaway> semantics isn't a curse word, it's a legitimate concern, especially in a document written in a specific tone
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<ameertg> No need to have a debate about it
<AndarielHalo> it's hyper-semantic
<AndarielHalo> "Disappear" means several related things, it's not just automatically wrong and out of place
<AndarielHalo> it's not like I'm saying "gone, yo. Went poof"
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<ameertg> Its not that big of a deal just change the word
<Eskaway> okay, who wrote the things that says "disappear" in it?
<ameertg> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/andarielhalo
For clarity, this incident wouldn't have been a big deal on its own, but after dozens of incidents just like this one, eventually you're gonna get booted, and that's what happened.
Unbanned
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