So, he hasn't crossed the line yet, but this user has done nothing but post in 'ask' threads, and been REALLY creepy towards the female members, to the point where Aelanna has specifically had to state she doesn't want him to speak to her. Seriously, when /I/ Can tell you're being creepy, there's a problem. The question is, should we take action, or…
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Gut reaction: tell him in clearly and in no uncertain terms to knock it off. Be explicit, tell him what he's doing wrong and basically whack him upside the head with it. If he's oblivious to how he was being received, that should be enough to get him to adjust fire and back off. If he's being malicious, it'll show and you can drop a hammer on him.
I am not familiar with this user, but a cursory glance through his posts shows me:
@Aelanna
The Enigma ManThe Enigma Man 4 Jun 2013, 10:12
on site The SCP Foundation
in discussion: Ask the person above you a question, part IIIs there a limit to how creepy I can be?
Previous page:
I'll still be creepy. Just not as much.
Oh lord.
Being aggravating is one thing, being creepy is another thing entirely, especially when it's disproportionally directed at certain users based on their gender. Nobody needs to deal with that.
Give him a warning. 24 hour time-out if he still doesn't get it. Accelerate measures as needed.
I agree, and it seems you've just volunteered. I'd recommend doing it via PM, though, don't want to start up more crap in the thread. Paste the text here, if you could?
if your reading this your gay
Need more mods/admins in agreement, and I'll be happy to. You troll. :)
Sent:
It's come to our attention that you're deliberately acting creepy towards fellow site members and especially women members. Neither of these things is okay. This is an official warning: improve your behavior and - quite simply - stop being creepy, or we will have to take disciplinary measures.
Please review the Site Rules, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Just going to toss my side of the story in:
Yeah, he's posted a few times on my staff ask thread, and at one point he tried to get me to watch this one youtube creepypasta video called "Suicide Mouse" or something. Bright called him out and threatened to ban him after this: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-642651/ask-zyn#post-1768347
I find it ironic considering the video I tried to make you watch was created by Walt Disney. It really is ironic.
I had basically said something about liking Disneyland. The fact that he jumped on the answer to someone else was also worrisome. He did, however, send me a PM:
I am sorry I tried to make you watch the video. I just like to see and hear people's reactions. Again, I'm sorry.
Instinct is telling me he sent this because he was scared of Bright, though.
I would suggest to be absolutely firm in chastising him. If he does it again, it is a ban. It seems.to me like he's almost proud of targeting female members so we better nip in the bud so to.speak.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
In agreement with the above. I'm not sure if this guy is a genuine creep, or is making some kind of misguided attempt to impress us, but he needs to stop either way.
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Got a reply to the warning message:
Should I apologize? This has happend many times before off the site, and the guilt is weighing down on me to the point where it will eventually break my damn neck. I can't let this happen.
I think fellas like this should get banned for "general immaturity" if they need or ask for that kind of constant babysitting.
I would definitely support the implementation of this policy, and could draft up some rules to implement if anyone would like me to.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
This is already on our list of obligations for users:
You are to be a mature member of the community. Heated arguments, vandalism, trolling, and general immaturity, including intentionally writing badly to provoke a reaction, will not be tolerated.
But of course we currently don't ban for that straight off, but rather warn, 24-hour ban, 7-day ban, then permaban.
I'm leery about invoking this too liberally, because it's a short leap to "ban people just because we find them annoying", and we've been pretty excitable with suggesting bans lately, but… we also aren't being paid to babysit morons. So… thoughts?
I support the route which allows us to remove people like The Enigma Man more quickly. Not saying we should hasten the ban process itself, just that we need to be more proactive with the wholewarn/24/whateverbecomesnecessary shindig with problem users.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
If it's true he genuinely doesn't know, then we've had members (me included) that have been unaware of their shit and once aware can be given steps as to how not to be an annoying git. Or at the very least, how to be less of an annoying git. The question is if he is worth the effort.
We've given him a warning- and he seems to be turning right around and wanting to apologize for his problems. At the very least, he appears to not want to come off that way.
I find a lot of the issue with problem users is that they don't add much to the site, making any problematic behaviors they may have not worth bothering with.
For what it's worth, I'm under the opinion that if he is creepy again, we can ban him for 24 hours or so since we have already given him a warning. However, we can help prevent his banning through simple instruction like "if people ask you leave them alone- leave them the fuck alone" and "if a person is avoiding a subject, proceed to not push the subject further". Then, well, either they can learn from it and try to improve, or they simply don't improve and we can continue with the warn->ban->longer ban process as infractions are made.
((If you like I can give the advice in a PM- but I'm likely not the best guy to be in charge of "how not to be a creep/weird/annoying/etc" since I myself don't exactly have sound judgement on the matter.))
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
It's simple. We've told him to quit it. Tell him now that it's not our responsibility to make him quit. If it's been a problem for him in the past, he needs to deal with it. Feeling guilty doesn't mean anything without a sincere desire to change. If he does this shit again, we move onto ban.
We have a system in place. It works, as long as we use it.
We can ban for immaturity. We can ban for being a dick. The power is ours.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to document things, issue warnings for first offenses, or any of that. But once a warning is issued for specific behavior, we can move onto ban. He has been warned. We know he's a potential problem. We watch, and if he fucks up, we ban, moving through the process.
The only place where things get at all murky is when a user makes multiple, unrelated fuck-ups. Then you have to stop, see if he's at least learning from his mistakes, and make the call. But when someone has been warned for a specific behavior, and continues that behavior, there's no reason we shouldn't take things to the next level.
Again, in this case, he's been issued a warning. Fucks up again, he gets a ban. His simpering little "the guilt! the wretched guilt!" act, while annoying, does not give us reason to ban. It does serve to give context to his future actions, which may make a ban more likely.
Agreeing with Mann here.
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Posted in the "ask the person above you" thread asking Aelanna a question. Note that she had, earlier in the thread, explicitly told him to never interact with here again due to creepster-dom. I have given him a Final Warning. If y'all think this is the final straw, feel free to override my Warning and head straight to bannination; I certainly would agree with that.
Giving bearhugs to the unsuspecting since 1872.
From Mann, upthread:
He has been warned. We know he's a potential problem. We watch, and if he fucks up, we ban, moving through the process.
He fucked up. Let's ban, moving through the process.
Aaaaand, reply to the Mod Post: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-639743/ask-the-person-above-you-a-question-part-ii#post-1798647
I would just like to explain myself really. If that's ok of course.
Mainly in the form of a re-introduction.
Edit: And he replied to me when I told him not to reply to Staff Posts. This is… unimpressive.
Instituting a removal and ban… prefernece of length?
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I almost wish it would be permanent.
The first ban is, what, 24 hours? We should follow that, maybe.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
24 hour sounds like a plan to me.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
Received a PM from him.
Subject: Guilt always follows
Guilt.
First Xbox Live, and now this. Whenever I make friends I some how fuck things up and make them hate me. I thought I could start new here. I was wrong. So wrong. I try so hard to be nice and not creepy, to no avail. No matter what, I make people hate me. Something always slips out of my mouth. And then the guilt sets in. It's starting to pile up. It feels like it's going to break my neck. I seek help, but it never works. I don't have the strength to cut myself. I may be a atheist, but I need Christ more than ever.
If you don't believe me ask stun le warri0r about R0B0 REAGAN on Xbox Live. She'll tell you everything.
I'm sorry.
God Forgive
Please reply.
Have not yet replied.
… What is it with people with 05 threads sending really bizarre PM's?
I'd ask around to see if anyone else has gotten a message from this guy.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
Was possibly me because I was the last to speak to him (forgot to record that here, but I basically told him that we'd expect him to follow the rules and that we weren't hand-holders, in a nice way). Don't know if others have got them or not. No word so far.
Also received a PM from him:
I was banned, I'm not asking to get back in. I just want to say I'm sorry for everything. Guilt is a bitch, and she always follows.
I'm… kind of wondering how the last sentence there is supposed to make me feel.
Trying to emphasize how he feels about women…?
