So, some users alerted me that a guy named Sudiption seemed to be going on about controversial topics in order to troll people, most notably Monsanto. I come into 19 and see the discussion had moved onto genetics/eugenics. I kickbanned him. Ban can be undone in 24 hours.
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<Rights> I have a trait that /might/ help me survive in a rough and tumble neolithic world! Yay! My offspring are slightly more likely to survive, yay! But by far it doesn't affect my DNA.
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<Berggren> i've got marfanoid tendencies
<Mr_Wilt> Azzleflux: I'm not sure where to step
<Shemhazat> My area of science is physics so i really can't debate you Dr. Rights
<Azzleflux> Maybe away from the prostitution
<Rights> basically, don't conflate DNA with "traits"
<Mr_Wilt> ../maaaay/be
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<Sudiption> We should just genetically engineer everyone to be perfect.
- Azzleflux stares /harder/
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<Sudiption> If we do it now, we may just wipe out the human race.
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<Vivax> Motherfucker.
<rumetzen> Get out
<Vivax> >_>
<Shemhazat> no eugenics sud
<Vivax> I'm getting irritated with my connection.
<Mr_Wilt> What if we all just level up
<Azzleflux> SCP-1610
<Nala> Azzleflux: Testing May Continue (rating: +50, 13 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1610
<Vivax> Are we still trying to Educate Shem?
<Shemhazat> no vivax, i gave up
<Sudiption> We are missing just enough information that it might create a recessive gene that makes the entire population vulnerable to a virus that doesn't quite exist yet
<Rights> Eugenics all day erryday
<Azzleflux> Mr_Wilt: What if you get to level 100 and realize you only evolve with a moon stone
<Sudiption> Then we all get wiped out
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<Sudiption> Genetic engineering is not eugenics
- Doctopus whaps rights on the cheek with a riding crop
<Sudiption> I think
<Mr_Wilt> Azzleflux: I wish there was a fix for shit like that
<Mr_Wilt> like a Common Candy
<Rights> Also, messing with genetic similarity is a terrible idea
<Azzleflux> Mr_Wilt: Online strategy guides
<Sudiption> Rights, I am well aware
<Mr_Wilt> Azzleflux: fuckin dum no 1 curr azl go awai
<Azzleflux> u smell that
<Rights> The more excessive genetic similarity you have to a mate the greater the chance of chromosomal copy errors so until we figure out a way to prevent that…
<Azzleflux> smells like incest
<Rights> Or I suppose we could just Whiptail Lizard it
<Mr_Wilt> wat
<Rights> LETS ALL BE WHIPTAIL LIZARDS
<Rights> AND PRODUCE CLONES OF OURSELVES
<Mr_Wilt> Okay.
<Mr_Wilt> I'm down with that.
<Sudiption> What we should be doing is what we are already doing: rejecting nonviable fetuses.
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<Scantron> Plus, being genetically different from your mate is good for your offspring's immune systems
<Rights> Now, that's a /whole/ other ethical issue we don't wanna get into.
<Doctopus> :o
<Shemhazat> Genetic engineering to make perfect children scares the crap out of me
<Azzleflux> What if I just fucked myself
<Vivax> "Perfect"
<Azzleflux> "children
<Vivax> >_>
<Rights> I do think trait-spotting in children's genetics is a good idea, though
<Jekeled> Azzleflux: "Children?" What are /those/?
<Rights> Coming from someone (me) who has a lot wrong with her.
<Vivax> At the moment I agree.
<Sudiption> We already engineer perfect crops. And all it cost us was total vulnerability to a massive food shortage
<Vivax> But I'd still like to see an end to genetic illnesses.
- Rights quietly celebrates her BCRgene 1 and 2 mutations
<Rights> yaaaay
<Shemhazat> Rights: i was going more for "pick out what your child will look like from a book"
<Doctopus> :o
<Mr_Wilt> Sudiption: cough and nutrient loss cough
<Azzleflux> Jekeled: I would love to show you sometime. You should visit my basement.
<Rights> Shemhazat: I don't think people will ever really do that.
<Vivax> For example…my sister has NF2.
<Rights> They like guessing what combination of features from parents they'll get too much
<Jekeled> Azzleflux: Does it have candy in it? o:
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<Shemhazat> Rights: maybe not, but the concept itself causes me concern
<Vivax> And lives with horrible pain every day.
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<Sudiption> Aren't the most novel things the hardest to do without fucking up everything
<Rights> More likely we will selectively eliminate diseases from fetuses
<Azzleflux> Jekeled: No, but the attic does, and so does the walk in freezer!
<Jekeled> :D
<Rights> Which will, in turn, cause other problems
<Jekeled> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
<Scantron> Something that might not be ideal now might be adaptive at some point in the distant future, and obviously some traits we have now aren't exactly that good for us any more. So I'm hesitant to say that we should be doing lots of work with human genetics. Now, ask me if I want to genetically engineer the shit out of everything else and I'm like hell to the yes
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<Rights> LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED FACTOR V LEYDEN DEFICIENCY
<Rights> Which is, to /me/ in the modern age, terrible because it could kill me
<Scantron> I'm just not as gung-ho on messing with the human genome
<Azzleflux> Aren't you like, older than me Jekeled?
<rumetzen> Mr_Wilt well if there's nutrient loss they're not perfect now are they?
<Vivax> So if somehow we could get a functional merlin protein into her system…or maybe repair the frameshifts that typically cause the illness…
<Rights> But to a prehistoric human? It's one of the single most useful mutations you could have!
<Shemhazat> Rights, doesn't sickle cell anemia give the person great resistance to malaria?
<Jekeled> Azzleflux: Maybe ;)
<Vivax> Shem: Yes.
<Azzleflux> :o
<Vivax> But not if you are homozygous.
<Rights> Shemhazat: Yep! And the clotting disorder I'm susceptable to can prevent me from exessive bleeding OR freezing to death!
<Azzleflux> Jekeled: Here is your treat http://25.media.tumblr.com/57ce05d5e6f47117e893ff71c0f1916c/tumblr_mkwewaHjzC1rccsbqo1_500.jpg
<Vivax> In that case you get resistance+crippling anemia.
<Mr_Wilt> rumetzen: implying perfection tho
<Sudiption> You won't have to worry about any of this if monsanto kills everyone
<Jekeled> Azzleflux: tasty tasty
<Rights> Remember: So long as you live long enough to reach sexual maturity, nature doesn't give a fuck
<Vivax> Heterozygous people get the most benefit from sicle cell.
<Azzleflux> .g cyber woman with corn
<Nala> Azzleflux: http://gawker.com/5880077/i-cant-stop-staring-at-cyber-woman-with-corn (I Can't Stop Staring at Cyber Woman With Corn) Jan 27, 2012 … Dear Cyber Woman with Corn: It's me, Max. How are you? I'm doing well. It rained a bit today, but I'm glad it's Friday — I'm ready to relax.
<Shemhazat> Rights: I don't know how to respond to that. Saying yay or oh no both sound rude
<Rights> Because if you survive long enough to breed you have already won nature!
<Azzleflux> EXCELLENT IT'S STILL THERE
<Sudiption> Rights, no
<Rights> Shemhazat: Both!
<Shemhazat> Rights: yay…no?
<Sudiption> grand parents contribute greatly to the survival of offspring
<Rights> Sudiption: Well, not as much for humans because we need a shitton of nurturing.
<Rights> But they're not /necessary/
<rumetzen> Rights only if you actually breed though
<Jekeled> Rights: That is…actually pretty funny. Now I"m just picturing nature going "oh, you had children! time to rain on /your/ parade!"
<Doctopus> :o
<Rights> Especially becuase humans are inherently communal and probably one of our better traits is THIS THING IS HELPLESS I MUST TAKE CARE OF IT
<Vivax> Well
<Vivax> That depends on the selective pressures.
<Sudiption> Except it'
<Vivax> K-selective organisms invest themselves heavily in offspring.
<Sudiption> Not really helpless, just helpless /now/.
<Vivax> In that they give each offspring a ton of energy/resources.
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<Sudiption> We cannot into foresight, and it's generally more beneficial to care than not to
<Vivax> And the offspring live long lives (if all goes well).
<Shemhazat> Humans get 'antsy' without contact with other humans ?
<Vivax> R-selective organisms just spray themselves everywhere.
<Vivax> Quantity over quality.
<Rights> Plus, humans began selectively controlling their lifespans pretty fucking early. The human lifespan doubles really damn quick as soon as you figure out how to make your own food supply.
<Vivax> Humans are social.
<Rights> And ensure it.
<Rights> Go team human! Woo!
<Vivax> One of the worst things you can do to a human is extended solitary confinement.
<Vivax> Go team human.
<Rights> If you dont' find the fact that one of the first animals selectively bred for human consumption was snails is the tightest shit then get out of my face.
<Shemhazat> Rights: even naturally loner humans crave contact
<Rights> SNAILS
<Rights> Shemhazat: Yep!
<Pixeltasim> HUMANS ARE FUCKING BADASS
<Rights> Humans are inherently communal, much like most primates and, interestingly, most high-intelligence or tool-using creatures
<Pixeltasim> INTELLIGENCE IS THE BEST EVOLUTION PATH
<Sudiption> I don't like the term lifespan because it makes it sound like humans are healthier now than they were back then
<Shemhazat> now if we can use that intelligence to stop screwing over the ERath and get to space I
<Shemhazat> I'll be happy
<Rights> We certainly live longer, at least.
<Mr_Wilt> Pixeltasim
<Mr_Wilt> Are you writing?
<Sudiption> You're just likely to die from mauling or starvation.
<Rights> But "healthy" isn't a very good term.
<Pixeltasim> >_>
<Shemhazat> i want to go to the moon
<Pixeltasim> <_<
<Pixeltasim> no
<Sudiption> When people put it like that, it's like justifying all the bad stuff happening now.
<Vivax> …
<Vivax> What.
<Rights> Prehistoric humans certainly didn't have to worry much abotu heart disease (although evidence shows Neanderthals often suffered from arthritis and strokes due to age) but they had to worry about, like…9/10 children dying in their first year
<Rights> And parasites
<rumetzen> Walt are you writing?
<Mr_Wilt> Yes.
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<Roget> HEY SO GUYS HOW ABOUT THEM SCPS RIGHT
<Vivax> Nobody is justifying suffering in our present time.
<Rights> And food poisoning. Diarrhea used to be a death sentance, and still is in many developing countries!
<Vivax> Jesus.
<Mr_Wilt> I'm gonna try to finish my tale tonight.
<Roget> I LIKE THE CUBE WHAT WALKS LIKIE A MAN
<Pixeltasim> Rights: How bout them large predators?
<Roget> IT TICKLES MY INNARDS
<Sudiption> Rights, that's just natural selection being fast with the children.
<Vivax> Rights: How about them commensal microflora
<Vivax> …
<Vivax> What.
<Sudiption> And that's why humans are too horny, because children died off too fast and now we're paying for this evolutionary "advantage"
<Vivax> …
<Azzleflux> .y george watsky lisp
<Sudiption> Also, didn't they nearly get wiped out by STDs
<Nala> Azzleflux: George Watsky- S for Lisp by gwatsky (3 m 23 s) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GvTLfV8fls - published Mon Apr 19, 2010 - 4.97/5.00 (26866.0, +26662/-204), 1,918,978 views
<Vivax> Sudiption: You are confusing an ought for an is.
<Azzleflux> Roget: Did you ever read my newish skip/do you have time to do so yet/
<Pixeltasim> Sudiption
<Vivax> And anthropromorphising natural selection.
<Vivax> Foolish.
<Pixeltasim> .w Natural Selection
<Nala> Pixeltasim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection (Natural selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Natural selection is the gradual, non-random process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of differential …
<Vivax> As if natural selection has /foresight/.
<Rights> Plus, sex is great for bonding!
<Sudiption> Where did I say foresight
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<Rights> The more sex you have with your comrades, the closer y'all get because our brains are wired for lovin'
<Vivax> You didn't you implied it.
<Doctopus> It's true!
<Doctopus> I FUCKED ALL MY TEDDYBEARS
<Blank> …
<Drewbear> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539025_524813550898492_1155234239_n.jpg
<Doctopus> and now those mofuckas are my /crew/
<Drewbear> because sometimes you need a pick-me-up
<Sudiption> Geese are wired that way too
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<Sudiption> But they have this problem
<Azzleflux> Drewbear: those are not flowers
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- Roget has kicked Sudiption from #site19 (Roget)
<Doctopus> ?
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<Vivax> Motherfucker.
<Vivax> This is getting annoying.
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<Pixeltasim> SO VINCENT
<ghostchibi> brb getting food
<ghostchibi> Roget: ?
<Pixeltasim> troll
<Roget> yeah
<Roget> rollin' and trollin'
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<Mr_Wilt> vivax
<Mr_Wilt> pay attention to your other tabs
<Mr_Wilt> |:U
<Vivax> Trolls are to be mercilessly tickeled.
<Berggren> i always imagine when someone gets kicked that the mod and the other person are standing on top of an impossibly tall white building and there are storms in the background and the mod pushes them off and whispers the kick message
<Roget> I was just eating some pudding
<Doctopus> :o
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