[ARCHIVED] SCP-Korea and liscensing.

SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 03 Feb 2013 16:11

http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-621025/i-saw-licensing-guide-discussion#post-1702006

Massive argument in broken English going on between two different Korean SCP derivatives. I told them to knock it off, but this seems to be a reoccurring conflict, and I'm unsure of what to think of it as, like Raven, I am unable to read Korean.

I could just tell them they can all have "fansites" so long as they follow the CC charter, and to piss off and not pollute the forum with angry rants.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

RhettSarlin 03 Feb 2013 18:34

This is one bitter rivalry going on here, yeesh. Dr_Kim has already been told we aren't linking to him since he's not making a community, just a translation site. But the actual Korean SCP site seems to just plain hate him and what he's doing, which always leads me to question whether he's doing stuff we can't tell that he's doing simply because we aren't able to effectively research the situation.

But yeah. In the end, if he follows the rules, no reason he can't have his own site, so it's mostly a matter of making that clear to the Korean SCP members so they can get mad all they want but then get over it.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Pig_catapult 04 Feb 2013 01:19

But the actual Korean SCP site seems to just plain hate him and what he's doing, which always leads me to question whether he's doing stuff we can't tell that he's doing simply because we aren't able to effectively research the situation.

We could always privately ask why they hate him, but yeah. There's really not much we can do about it if he's following the rules

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Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 04 Feb 2013 20:50

Well, I got this PM explaining whyso this is a big deal for them:

http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-621025/i-saw-licensing-guide-discussion#post-1702006

I've just seen the link, and someone told me that you guys were wondering about that problem.(That guy told me to send a PM to both Kain and Rhett.) Sheesh, what's going on?

For me, both as a admin and a user, I don't hate Dr.Kim. Not at all. He is just a user, and although in some occasions I had to collide with him, but that's different. If he follows the rule, it's just fine.

But it is true that SCP Korean wiki does have some hostilities toward Dr.Kim, or SCP Korean breach, as he has the fansite called that. (Exactly a blog). I think some of you may remember me by Grace, since I had sent you some messages related with SCP Korean breach before.

There were several problems between Dr.Kim and former site of SCP Korean wiki. Several harsh problems. And to say, I think that is the major reason why everyone is hating Dr.Kim. But before explaining that, I think I do need to ask Devanos and Dr. Hiro more about this problem, since they seem to be in the center of it. I will PM you more details(if you need) after that.

If you need anything more, please PM me.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

DrEverettMann 04 Feb 2013 20:54

Well, we'll listen to it. But if he is following the rules, they've got to understand that there's nothing we can do about him.

And on a more practical point, I don't see any reason we should get in the middle of this.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 05 Feb 2013 04:13

Yeah, that's why I didn't say anything but stop it.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 07 Feb 2013 02:58

New PMs to me from Grace:

I think I should first take care of this problem. I sent messages to both Dr.Kim and Prof Hiro.

Personally, I think this is more of a personal problem, not between sites. Which I really don't understand. If it was site problems, Prof. Hiro can't be that aggressive to Dr.Kim. He was here for… just a month or so. Also it seemed to me that it goes on the same pattern.

Devanos puts up something about Dr.Kim -> Dr.Kim refuses it -> Prof. Hiro bites him-> Chaos.

And Dr.Kim and Prof.Hiro are both mentioning about Devanos. I'm not really sure what the shit is going on, but I think I do need to solve this problem, ASAP.

So… I'm very sorry, but I think I should first take care of this problem. I don't want them hostile and fighting on the forums anymore. No one wants to see that. I will try to be quick as possible.

I just told her:

It's okay. Sometimes users can be pretty crazy in their behavior.

But thanks for keeping us updated and for taking care of the situation.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 10 Feb 2013 23:21

Another from Grace. Seems to explain the entire reason behind all this animosity.

Sent PM to both of them. Prof. Hiro did not send a reply, but Dr.Kim replied that if Prof. Hiro doesn't act aggressive, he won't respond. I should say first that Prof.Hiro is not the wiki.

Although some people had harsh problems with Dr.Kim, it isn't Korean wiki who hates Dr.Kim.

I'm suspecting this is not only because what Dr.Kim had done, but more of a personal hatred between users. To say, wiki did have problems with Dr.Kim, but wiki itself does not hate Dr.Kim, or act hostile.

I've told Devanos (and which he will pass to other users) that unless Dr.Kim is following the rules, we really can't stop him and we don't have to. And I've been telling them to stop posting these issues on the main site. (hopefully there won't be such massive arguments anymore)

But yes. To start with the License problem, as Prof Hiro said, Dr. Kim wasn't actually depicting the CCL. I sent about this to Dr.Kim
several times before and in various ways(PM, posting on his personal site, leaving posts, etc) and somehow every time he either managed not to see it or ignored it. I think that's the reason Devanos posted it on the license page discussion.

Few months ago, there were two fansites in Korea. Dr.Kim's personal blog and SCP Korea HQ, which is the former site of Korean wiki.
Dr.Kim was interested in our articles and contacted with us about it, saying that he wanted to post some good Korean-made articles
on his blog. But we were not that sure about that issue, and agreed to vote on it in our site. Dr. Kim said he will prepare the introduction, and promised he will send it to us afterwards. While we were preparing the vote(and waiting for his article), Dr.Kim made another community by himself and never contacted to us after that. When we found that out, we were confused but just went on with.

Few weeks after, Dr.Kim declared on his site that his site was successfully on the main wiki. And it turned out that he had changed the
main by himself. We were already thinking that he were ignoring other translators, as I said before, there were more translations in HQ and a lot more in Angelhiro wiki. So me and Devanos sent a message to you, and had a conversation with Dr.Kim. And it went pretty well, we agreed on going together, and Dr.Kim had actually said to "live together." Of course, there was a misunderstanding here. We took that term as uniting with each other.

He meant that term as just… get on what we were doing, and stop interfering with each other. But there were no problem. We just went on-

Dr.Kim and HQ didn't both have a proper wiki community. So we made a wikidot hosted community and moved people to there. Which, few days after, we found out the message Dr.Kim had sent. It was in the O5 site, a user had linked that page to us. We were enraged of his action(mainly of what he said), and officially declared that the Korean wiki site and HQ would be hostile with Dr.Kim and his blog. We asked for explanation of his action. Aand…..

yeah, to say, I don't think this was a good idea to both of us. Dr.Kim said he will apologize, so we should just send him what he had done wrong in PM.

And no one took that as a sign of peace. (It's kind of cultural, I think. Asian countries think one's 'attitude' and 'manners' are very
important. Asking for what he have done wrong when it is clearly stated around the site is considered as ignorant manner.)So we did send him what he had done, and Dr.Kim went and erased the whole thing of his site, refusing further explanation. Personally I think this was the peak of our conflict, because afterwards he did that action(erasing everything) whenever he found things he don't like.

In another aspect, our action was very sudden and Dr.Kim could have been upset. At that point, we were both disappointed with each other. So there might be a hostility at that point.

But suddenly, (in my perspective) it began to turn into personal hatred, between Devanos and Dr.Kim. I had a collision with Dr.Kim between translation matters about 682, and it was going pretty harsh. And suddenly, Devanos banned Dr.Kim, warned me, and went away. We didn't know that Dr.Kim was permanently banned. After we knew that, we argued to Devanos of it. Few weeks after, Devanos gave up admin.

So afterwards, there were no further problems, except this incident. But I still don't know why Prof.Hiro is acting crazy against Dr.Kim. Korean wiki did had some harsh problems with Dr.Kim, but it has already passed. I don't find any reason to act hostile against Dr. Kim, if he keeps the rule. But all these incidents above had happened before Prof. Hiro joined to our wiki. I will settle this matter with Prof. Kim as soon as he show up. Thank you for listening to our problem. If anything related with us happen in wiki again, please let me know. I will try my best not to get you guys involved in some crazy personal problems again.

Happy chinese new year!

I sent a return message thanking her for explaining it, and appreciating the work she did.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

thedeadlymoose 11 Feb 2013 02:02

Thanks for handling this, Kain. And her PM explanation is appreciated too. Sounds like a whole lot of drama.

Re: SCP-Korea and liscensing.

Kain Pathos Crow 11 Feb 2013 03:47

I didn't do much. Grace was nice enough to explain it to me, and the situation pretty much resolved itself on its own.