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Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 12 Sep 2012 18:45

http://www.mysoti.com/mysoti/products/tag/scp

The merchant for the first two shirts has provided some form of attribution by linking back to the source without claiming we endorse the product, so that's good. But he needs to inherit the share alike license as well.

The third shirt is for a deleted SCP and has no connection to anything that remains on our wiki except for the tags, so eh. It's pretty cool looking at least.

Sent to MySoti today:

Hello,

I am a moderator for the SCP Foundation community at http://scp-wiki.net, a creative writing site that is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License as described here:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

The following two products are in violation of our license by failing to inherit the same kind of ShareAlike license, although the merchant has at least linked back to the source material for attribution:

http://www.mysoti.com/mysoti/designer/mrmosttonics/product/1487232/MrMosttonics--tshirt--What-if-Im-Bees

http://www.mysoti.com/mysoti/designer/mrmosttonics/product/1474586/MrMosttonics--tshirt--Are-we-cool-yet

I did not see a way to contact the merchant directly regarding this issue, so we would like to ask that these products be removed until such time as they fulfill all of the requirements of our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. We appreciate your attention to this matter.

-Josh Sortelli, aka "Sorts"
Moderator, SCP Foundation
http://scp-wiki.net

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

thedeadlymoose 12 Sep 2012 19:15

Thank you, Sorts. This is much appreciated.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 13 Sep 2012 19:33

MySoti Support : 2012-09-13 09:29
Thanks for your mail.

We have removed products.we take all violation of copyright reports seriously.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.


Thanks,
MySoti HQ

a most excellent response from the MySoti guys, this case is closed

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

tunedtoadeadchannel 14 Sep 2012 04:54

Thanks, sorts.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

tunedtoadeadchannel 13 Sep 2012 05:48

On the one hand, HOLY CARP SOMEONE MADE A TEE SHIRT OUT OF SOMETHING I WROTE.

On the other, selling something based on something I wrote and not telling me beforehand (or at least sending me one).

Yeah, not okay.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

RhettSarlin 14 Sep 2012 04:20

Confirmation post for Regalis, the creator of SCP:Containment Breach. I didn't want to make a new thread for it.

This is the PM that I sent him, I was contacting him at Clef's request(though I would have of my own volition)

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Hi. I am a member of the SCP Wiki staff. Please go to this page for confirmation of this: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-563937/regarding-improperly-or-non-attributed-merchandise#post-1564160

First off, I want to tell you how much we all love this game and are pleased that you made it. None of us have any objections to it, and it is possibly the single best SCP thing ever made. We support you fully.

That said, BECAUSE we support you so much, we want to make sure that you do things right. I was asked by an Administrator(DrClef in particular) to contact you about the need for attribution/licensing.

Upon examining your website I was actually highly impressed to see that you DID in fact use the proper license. So you have the licensing part covered. But we see that your attribution consists of saying that the game is based on the stories of the SCP Foundation. While that would be good enough for many of us PERSONALLY, that isn't quite what you're going to need to be covered legally.

To properly attribute you need to cite each work that you utilized in any version of this game that people might have obtained from you, including those that no longer appear in the game, since people can still freely share your earlier versions amongst themselves.

A citation consists of naming the work, naming the author in question, and providing a link. We have researched the Creative Commons question and that is what we have found.

I went and did the work for you as best I could. I used the SCP:CB wiki site to determine all past/present/currently planned future SCP objects that you have in the game. If I left any out, then please let me know.

I recommend creating a "credits" page or something of the sort, anything that is an official place on the site or in the credits within the game itself that gives credit where it is due.

Here is the list:

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SCP-079 is based on "SCP-079 - Old AI", author unknown: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-079

SCP-096 is based on "SCP-096 - The 'Shy Guy'" by "Dr Dan": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-096

SCP-106 is based on "SCP-106 - The Old Man" by "Dr Gears": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-106

SCP-173 is based on "SCP-173 - The Sculpture - The Original", author unknown: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173

SCP-372 is based on "SCP-372 - Peripheral Jumper" by "Sylocat": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-372

SCP-420-J is based on "SCP-420-J - The Best ████ in the World" by "Quikngruvn": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-420-j

SCP-513-1 is based on "SCP-513 - A Cowbell" by "beefwit": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-513

SCP-682 is based on "SCP-682 - Hard-to-Destroy Reptile" by "Dr Gears": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-682

SCP-789-J is based on "SCP-789-J - the butt ghost!!" by "Salman Corbette": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-789-j

SCP-860 is based on "SCP-860 - Blue Key" by "Enma AI": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-860

SCP-895 is based on "SCP-895 - Camera Disruption" by "Raven Mackenzie": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-895

SCP-914 is based on "SCP-914 - The Clockworks" by "Dr Gears": http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-914

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If you put this or something very similar up, you will have properly attributed everything necessary, and you will be legally covered. If you have any other SCP items that you include, let me know and I'll do the digging for you if you like(you can do it yourself if you wish, certainly)

Thank you for your time. Keep up the amazing work!

- RhettSarlin
Senior Staff
SCP Wiki

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

thedeadlymoose 14 Sep 2012 04:46

Awesome! Yeah, we definitely want Regalis / CB to be in the clear. While I haven't yet played CB yet, it's nothing but great for the site to have it out there, and we definitely want to be able to give it a stamp of approval.

Thanks for doing this, Rhett.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

tunedtoadeadchannel 14 Sep 2012 04:54

Good show, rhett.

Keeping the game makers in the clear is important, as they've really brought a lot to the community, and I'm frankly impressed by the amount of effort you went to to assist.

Do let us know if they reply.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

RhettSarlin 14 Sep 2012 14:34

And, turns out Regalis is an awesome dude. Not that we didn't think that already:

Hi!

Thanks for the notice, I didn't realize that the credits have to be that accurate. And I'm glad to hear that you guys approve of the game!

I'll upload a bugfix update to the game in a few days and put proper citation in the readme file. It might be good to have a credit page on the website as well, I'll add that when I've got time.

I think you mentioned every SCP in the game, but we'll propably add at least SCP-096 and SCP-682 later. Wasn't 096 written by Dr Dan and 682 by Dr Gears?

- Regalis

This makes me happy in the pants.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

RhettSarlin 19 Nov 2012 15:19

Just to follow up on this, regalis did in fact do this now, he has proper attribution in the readme file, which is a perfect place for it. Totally awesome, first person I know of to do it right :)

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

AdminBright 14 Sep 2012 06:59

By the way Sorts, thanks for volunteering to be our contact person for when we find stuff like this.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 14 Sep 2012 19:51

It's no thing, this is at least something I have prior experience in so I'm glad to help as I can. Also thanks for getting in touch with Regalis, Rhett. Currently the only outstanding issue is a Zazzle shirt I've not heard about for a week so I will be following up with them shortly.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 23 Sep 2012 20:34

Fantem sent me some links, these are from Redbubble and they want the full DMCA notice:

Hello,

I am an administrator for the SCP Foundation community at http://scp-wiki.net, a creative writing site that is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License as described here:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

We have a good faith belief that the following products are in violation of this license by failing to properly attribute their source by linking back to it (being either our community or the fan-created Containment Breach game) and by failing to inherit the same kind of ShareAlike license:

http://www.redbubble.com/people/doombuggyman/works/9375310-foundation-security
http://www.redbubble.com/people/coombesy2185/works/8852824-scp-containment-breach-holo
http://www.redbubble.com/people/ultraboom3/works/8542475-scp-redacted
http://www.redbubble.com/people/ultraboom3/works/8539871-title-redacted
http://www.redbubble.com/people/agkrippa/works/9290670-scp-containment-breach

We would like to ask that these products be removed until such time as they fulfill all of the requirements of our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. We appreciate your attention to this matter.

My contact information is as follows:

[DATA EXPUNGED :P]

ten.xoc|illetros#ten.xoc|illetros

I swear under penalty of perjury that the above information is accurate and that I am authorized to act on behalf of the SCP Foundation community regarding our license.

-Josh Sortelli, aka "Sorts"
Moderator, SCP Foundation
http://scp-wiki.net

whoops forgot to change moderator in the sig there oh well

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 24 Sep 2012 17:54

From: RB Content Team
Subject: DMCA Notice regarding mis-attributed SCP Foundation merchandise

Dear Josh,

We are contacting you in relation to issues you recently raised with us
regarding content on the Redbubble website.

We've reviewed the information contained in your complaint and, in accordance
with our policy, we've:

1. removed the content you've referred to; and

2. written to the relevant end user about your complaint and the content
we removed.

In most cases, these actions bring the matter to a close.

As you will be aware from reading our policy, the end user now has the
opportunity to send us a "counter notice". A valid counter notice requires the
end user to declare that they have a "good faith belief that the material was
removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material
to be removed or disabled". If we receive such a counter notice from the
relevant end user, we will notify you at the email address you provided to us.
You will then have 14 days in which to take legal proceedings against the end
user directly in accordance with our policy. If you elect not to do so, we may
reinstate the content we have removed.

Thank you for contacting Redbubble.


Regards
Redbubble DMCA team

http://support.redbubble.com/kb/top20/copyright-trademark-and-dmca

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

RhettSarlin 24 Sep 2012 19:11

Fun times. If they fight it we'll have to determine who to contact to see if they want to go after them or not.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 23 Sep 2012 20:38

And to CafePress:

Hello,

I am an administrator for the SCP Foundation community at http://scp-wiki.net, a creative writing site that is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License as described here:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

We have a good faith belief that the products in this store are in violation of this license by failing to properly attribute their source by linking back to it and by failing to inherit the same kind of ShareAlike license:

http://www.cafepress.com/sk/thefactoryonline

We would like to ask that these products be removed until such time as they fulfill all of the requirements of our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. We appreciate your attention to this matter.

My contact information is as follows:

[NOPE]

ten.xoc|illetros#ten.xoc|illetros

I swear under penalty of perjury that the above information is accurate and that I am authorized to act on behalf of the SCP Foundation community regarding our license.

-Josh Sortelli, aka "Sorts"
Administrator, SCP Foundation
http://scp-wiki.net

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 24 Sep 2012 00:24

This page has proper attribution, so I've emailed Cafepress to rescind the above takedown notice:
http://www.cafepress.com/thefactoryonline

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 24 Sep 2012 02:22

Um, where's that attribution? Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place, but I don't even see a description attached; just the products.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

eric_h 24 Sep 2012 03:59

Right there near the top of his page:

//For information on the SCP Foundation and The Factory, see:

http://www.scp-wiki.net

(This site is not owned or operated by The SCP Foundation.)
Creative Commons License
SCP Foundation by The SCP-WIKI is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Based on a work at http://www.scp-wiki.net.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at http://www.scp-wiki.net.//

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 24 Sep 2012 12:51

Huh. Still not seeing that on my comp. Weird. But so long as others can. *shrug*

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 24 Sep 2012 17:54

razza frazza wikidot

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 30 Oct 2012 19:16

Another DMCA to Redbubble:

Hello,

I am an administrator for the SCP Foundation community at http://scp-wiki.net, a creative writing site that is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License as described here:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

We have a good faith belief that the following products are in violation of this license by failing to properly attribute their source by linking back to it and by failing to inherit the same kind of ShareAlike license:

http://www.redbubble.com/people/doombuggyman/works/9374861-to-secure-contain-and-protect (this is our second notice regarding this user)
http://www.redbubble.com/people/cazum/works/9481038-secure-contain-protect-black
http://www.redbubble.com/people/cazum/works/9481008-secure-contain-protect-white

We would like to ask that these products be removed until such time as they fulfill all of the requirements of our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. We appreciate your attention to this matter.

My contact information is as follows:

[NO]

ten.xoc|illetros#ten.xoc|illetros

I swear under penalty of perjury that the above information is accurate and that I am authorized to act on behalf of the SCP Foundation community regarding our license.

-Josh Sortelli, aka "Sorts"
Admin, SCP Foundation
http://scp-wiki.net

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

TroyL 31 Oct 2012 00:30

[e-mail]

Hehehehehehehe.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 31 Oct 2012 02:44

Shuddup, they are a great cable and internet company.

Shannon used to work for Cox.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 31 Oct 2012 02:44

Shannon used to work for Cox.

OH GOD WHERE IS DELETE BUTTON WHERE

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

AdminBright 31 Oct 2012 19:02

Now you give it to her for free?

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 31 Oct 2012 00:36

I do have to say that I like have quickly Redbubble responds.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Photosynthetic 01 Nov 2012 15:43

What, have we already heard from them on this one? O_O

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 01 Nov 2012 16:52

I checked when I saw the original comment and the stores/items were already down, and they responded damn fast to Sorts last time.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 01 Nov 2012 17:31

Yeah, I was surprised too, which is why I forgot to confirm here that the deed was done… also a lot of us found out in chat when Cazum came into 19 to ask about the issue.

Cazum was cool about it, but in the process of explaining the whole DMCA thing to him something did come up that I've been meaning to mention and also afraid to say outright for fear of making it come true:

All anyone needs to do to stick a brick in our faces over these takedown notices is contest them by filing a DMCA counter-notice which is basically a statement that claims, under penalty of perjury, that we're full of shit and they own the property in question.

If that happened, Redbubble or anyone else would have to reinstate the merchandise until we dragged the other person off to court to settle the issue. It would be an open and shut case but we'd have to drag someone off to court over it. In my experience most people are smart enough not to perjure themselves over a T-shirt that one or two people have purchased but one of these days we're going to run into one of the stubborn idiots of the world.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

RhettSarlin 01 Nov 2012 17:39

Even worse: it'd be an open and shut case IF the person who wrote the content that they were infringing on was willing to join with us to press charges…..if we are able to get ahold of them in the first place. Remember that unless someone on staff wrote it, we as staff have zero legal authority to take someone to court.

Heck. Technically you're putting yourself on the line by making the claim that you have the authority to make the copyright claims in the first place…we have authorized you, but did the content creators in question? Yet I feel there's nothing wrong with notifying websites that certain people are violating Creative Commons even if it's not something we are the legal owners of.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 01 Nov 2012 18:10

*headdesk*

Yet another reason to get incorporated as soon as possible.

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Sorts 06 Dec 2012 18:23

Another DMCA to Redbubble for the following products:

http://www.redbubble.com/people/scalejack/works/9545271-scp-foundation-logo-dark
http://www.redbubble.com/people/scalejack/works/9545223-scp-foundation-logo-light
http://www.redbubble.com/people/scalejack/works/9613763-scp-dont-blink-colour
http://www.redbubble.com/people/scalejack/works/9613856-scp-dont-blink-dark
http://www.redbubble.com/people/scalejack/works/9613861-scp-dont-blink-light

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Adam Smascher 09 Dec 2012 18:30

Roget brought this up in staff chat: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1347510-secure-craft-protect-v111-142-forge-ssp-lan/page__st__2420#entry19593349

In which some dude asserts rights to the sum total of SCP content during the following exchange.

joshtheminerguy said:

I guess i should just put all of my ideas into my own mod. Is it ok if i add the scps that Phuck isnt adding into my mod or is that a form of plagorism? My mod will have the leftover SCP's that Phuck isnt gonna add to the game like eriks toy.

Sor1n said:

There can be only 1 scpcraft. We own all the rights regarding the mod like name, content, etc. Plus, there are over 1000 and just because we don't add some suggested this update, it doesn't mean we'll never add them. We are also busy with real life problems, you know? And even though u posted lots of suggestions, that doesn't mean you have the right to spam the forum thread. And also the one with spoilers is a total mess. So I ask you now, why shouldn't I go and report you for spamming?

Not sure if this is the proper thread, but I think some corrective measures are definitely in order here.

To elaborate on the "why" of the wrongness, Creative Commons means that any derivative works of SCP are also Creative Commons, so these people cannot assert to hold the rights to SCP or be solely entitled to the creation of SCP Minecraft mods. Wogglebug informs me that it isn't just this sor1n fellow, but the actual mod maker himself has made similar comments.

No message has been sent to these people as of yet; this is, as I understand, Sorts' purview. Please school these fools at your earliest convenience.

Mod maker's statement on the legal matters (click the "Legal Right thing" toward the bottom of the first post): http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1347510-secure-craft-protect-v111-142-forge-ssp-lan/

This modification is Copyright © Secure, Craft, Protect and is the intellectual property of the author. It may be not be reproduced under any circumstances except for personal, private use as long as it remains in its unaltered, unedited form. It may not be placed on any other website besides the MinecraftForums without permission. Use of this mod on any other website or as a part of any public display is strictly prohibited, and a violation of copyright.
The original SCP articles aren't my property, all credit goes to the creator of the article. This modification simply just ports them over to minecraft.

This mod is based off the SCP-Foundation, the SCP articles aren't my property.

Copyright © 2012.
*Note, there's a CC stamp image, but doesn't actually link back to the CC site and I cbf uploading it here. Just click the link

This guy doesn't appear to actually understand what the creative commons license means. Derivative works are permissible. His statement to the contrary is simply wrong.

Last edited on 09 Dec 2012 19:00 by Adam Smascher Show more

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 09 Dec 2012 18:34

I would think that responding to that thread with a "HAHAHAHAHA NO." and a link to both the wiki and Creative Commons might be sufficient.

EDIT: Ah, I didn't realize that the mod maker was making these claims, too. Gotta love kids who don't realize their own stupidity. I mean, claiming that you own all rights to something that you took from another, extremely well-known site, that you're expecting your audience to know about IN ORDER to market your product?

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Adam Smascher 09 Dec 2012 18:42

Don't think that's an appropriate response for what is an official matter of some import.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

Drewbear 09 Dec 2012 18:44

Yeah, I was just being stupid. It's just… really, minecraft dude? I mean, REALLY?!

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Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

thedeadlymoose 10 Dec 2012 03:04

We should still respond to them, though. Thoughts?

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

ToxicClay 10 Dec 2012 06:50

Inform them politely that the terms of CC mean that whatever they say is unenforceable and is in fact itself a violation of copyright. Then link them to a description of the CC license — Syka's should do fine. If that doesn't get a response, tell their host that they're hosting stuff that infringes on a CC license.

Re: Regarding improperly or non-attributed merchandise

DrClef 10 Dec 2012 16:49

This is the best way to do it.

Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

EchoFourDelta 10 Dec 2012 17:52

Greetings, Phuck_Yu_Too. I am EchoFourDelta, a writer and Senior Staff member of the SCP Foundation wiki. I have come here to inform you that despite any misconceptions you may have, you hold no exclusive rights over anything you create that involves materials or concepts that are derived from the SCP Foundation.

The content produced on the SCP Foundation wiki is shared under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License

In plain language, you are free to "share" (to copy, distribute and transmit the work) and "remix" (to adapt the work) the material, under the following conditions:

1. Attribution - You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggest that they endorse you or your use of the work).

2. Share Alike - If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

Put quite simply, this means that you, the creator of this mod, hold absolutely no control, exclusive or otherwise, over the content you have created. Due to the nature of the license our work was originally created under, your work must both acknowledge the original creators of the content you include, and to also be released under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license, meaning that anyone else can create derivative works of their own using any or all of your content. If you wish to further read up on the topic, license information can be found here:

http://creativecommo...nses/by-sa/3.0/

If you wish to speak to either me or any other SCP Foundation staff regarding this issue, feel free to contact us on the wiki at http://www.scp-wiki.net/, or on the synIRC network, channel #site19.

To make this plain, while you are free to create and distribute this mod, provided you properly attribute the original creators, you have no authority to tell anyone, on this forum or otherwise, that they cannot produce derivative works based on your mod, that they may not produce works including your content, or that you are in any way creating this in an official capacity on our behalf.

Thank you for your time and understanding,
EchoFourDelta

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Re: Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

Eskobar 10 Dec 2012 17:55

Nicely crafted. For ease of locating the post and any subsequent replies, the link is here. I'm also going to refrain at this point from commenting on my opinion of someone whose Internet handle is Phuck_Yu_Too.

Re: Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

DrKens 10 Dec 2012 19:03

Well said. Hopefully it gets the point across.

Re: Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

Sorts 10 Dec 2012 19:08

The things I miss when I am off on Sundays. Thanks Echo, that was well said.

Re: Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

Photosynthetic 10 Dec 2012 19:12

Well-said, Echo. Thank you.

Re: Responded on the forum with the following, page 122, under account name EchoFourDelta

Drewbear 10 Dec 2012 19:40

Indeed. Good show, old chap.

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