Some of my fellow opers know of SGTDan from one RP or another. This may bias their opinion on the following, it may not. However:
SGTDan stands accused of harassing another member of chat, who shall go nameless to protect their privacy. When he found out where they're located, he immediately became a little over-interested and suggested they become "pen-pals" during only their first conversation. Too, there are some worrying snippets. A couple have been reproduced below, but I will attach censored copies of the chat logs so you may make your own judgments.
[3:07pm] SGTDan: I promise not to be a creepy old man (if the other person comes to his area)
[3:18pm] SGTDan: I have probelms dear, lots and lots of probelms. The last thing you need is me to weigh you down ":P
[3:20pm] SGTDan: and as proof of my girlfriends existence, I offer her blog http://anunforgottennightmare.blog.com/
The other user expressed extreme reticence, especially towards the pet names, which - I concede - could be due to where he was raised. Still…to call someone 'dear' within minutes of meeting someone? Especially when they started feeling hinky?
Now, as a point in his favor, he did back off when asked, but…the user and I, along with a couple other operators, feel that the principle at hand is such that the behavior should still be reported.
Logs:
pastebin.com/ztE6CuES
pastebin.com/L0mMLXg7
pastebin.com/Qr1gZtfB
Then, when she came forward to report it: pastebin.com/acwtrU7u
Whoa, yeah. This is definitely something we should be aware of. Thanks, Tox.
I personally don't feel this is okay, but I am not a chat operator and therefore will refrain from weighing in further for the moment.
If there was any doubt about the matter, I have spoken to the victim in this case, and can assure that they are an actual person with genuine concerns.
EDIT: I have now read the logs. They made me shiver.
It seems that SGTDan hasn't gone as far as to do anything that would get him banned, but my personal opinion is that if they contact [REDACTED] again, we treat it as extensive harassment and punish according to site rules. This is the kind of thing we should really try and nip in the bud.
While I'm here, thoughts on SGTDan himself: I don't think he's malicious. He's just… socially incapable to the point of coming off as it. I'm not saying that in his favor, though: he causes problems and makes people feel uncomfortable. Intent should be considered up to a certain point, but in the end, it's their actions that count.
if your reading this your gay
i second this…
As long as someone makes it EXPLICIT to Dan, that this will happen if he contacts her again. And make sure she is willing to contact us, should this happen.
Admin, SCP Wiki
It definitely needs to be made explicit. I don't think he realizes he's done anything really wrong. Tell him now that he's not to contact her again; if he breaks that rule, then start talking about a ban.
Scan is taking care of it, but he's also getting the victims permission to lay down the law. We don't want to put anyone in a position where they are made more uncomfortable, with actions taken for them.
Admin, SCP Wiki
Permission has been given:
(8:27:24 PM) [REDACTED]: Hey
(8:27:30 PM) [REDACTED]: I was told to message you in a tell?
(8:27:31 PM) [REDACTED]: i think it was
(8:27:33 PM) [REDACTED]: what is up?
(8:27:45 PM) Scantron: gimme a sec
(8:28:22 PM) Scantron: aight
(8:28:28 PM) [REDACTED]: ok
(8:29:41 PM) Scantron: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-545080/sgtdan Basically, the staff's agreed that SGTDan's actions are unacceptable. We're basically asking for permission to classify any further contact he makes with you as Harassment, and punish him accordingly.
(8:30:27 PM) [REDACTED]: …
(8:31:39 PM) Scantron: In my opinion, it's the only way he's going to learn. And you don't deserve to be made uncomfortable by him.
(8:31:46 PM) [REDACTED]: Im surprised by the support
(8:32:14 PM) Scantron: Once you get down to it, us staff are good people, and we care about the user base.
(8:32:52 PM) [REDACTED]: I know
(8:32:56 PM) [REDACTED]: I just didnt think…
(8:33:14 PM) [REDACTED]: they would understand like I thought they would look at it and be like - Psh this isnt harassment
(8:34:08 PM) Scantron: Well, what can I say vOv It's not something any of us have a high tolerance for.
(8:34:47 PM) [REDACTED]: Yea.
(8:34:54 PM) [REDACTED]: I agree with what has been written
(8:35:24 PM) Scantron: Alright. So, to be clear: you give your permission to inform SGTDan that he is not to contact you further under threat of a permanent ban from the wiki?
(8:35:54 PM) [REDACTED]: …yes.
(8:36:44 PM) Scantron: Alright. Cool. I don't want you to feel pressured, though: If you're not comfortable with me delivering that warning, just let me know.
(8:37:17 PM) [REDACTED]: I'm just nervous on what he will do
(8:37:27 PM) [REDACTED]: I don't think he will take kindly to this
(8:37:56 PM) Scantron: If that happens, just let us know, and we can get rid of him.
(8:38:15 PM) Scantron: Assuming you're still giving permission for us to do so.
(8:38:31 PM) [REDACTED]: Well even if he doesnt contact me
(8:38:40 PM) [REDACTED]: he could still get mad
(8:38:47 PM) [REDACTED]: I give permission
(8:38:55 PM) Scantron: Excellent.
(8:41:24 PM) Scantron: Now, there are two more things I want to ask, and you can say no to either or both, should you choose:
(8:41:24 PM) Scantron: 1) To post a log of this conversation, with your name removed, on O5 as proof that you gave permission.
(8:41:24 PM) Scantron: 2) To give Quikngruvn (one of our admins) your name ([REDACTED], not your real name) in case something happens and I'm not around.
(8:41:55 PM) [REDACTED]: 1) Yes
(8:41:58 PM) [REDACTED]: 2) Yes
(8:42:08 PM) Scantron: Perfect.
(8:42:10 PM) ***Scantron hugs
(8:42:13 PM) Scantron: I hope this works out.
(8:43:00 PM) [REDACTED]: …me too
Contacting SGTDan as soon as I can.
if your reading this your gay
(10:23:09 PM) Scantron: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-545080/sgtdan
(10:23:15 PM) Scantron: I am going to state this exactly once.
(10:23:36 PM) Scantron: If you contact [REDACTED] in any way, shape, or form, and the staff hears about it, you will receive a permanent ban from the SCP wiki.
(10:23:41 PM) Scantron: Do I make myself clear?
(10:26:25 PM) SGTDan: Whatever, this is completely…wow I guess I'm better off leaving. Try being friendly and gentlemen like and you're the bad guy. I guess not everyone understands how I was raised and where I come from but hey what do I expect.
(10:27:01 PM) Scantron: Are you unclear in any way, shape, or form how you are to act from now on?
(10:28:21 PM) SGTDan: I act like Daniel, you don't like then theres not much I can do
(10:28:46 PM) Scantron: Let me put it this way. Do you understand what it is you are not supposed to do, and the consequences should you choose to do so?
(10:29:59 PM) SGTDan: but as for your other clear message, yes but I suppose not everyone can tell me straight up…wait she did and I sadi I'd leave her alone. I guess that didn't count for jackshit. Actually Scan I don't, if you're saying stop acting like myself then I can't
(10:30:56 PM) Scantron: Alright.
(10:32:35 PM) SGTDan: Don't worry I will keep my Site19 prescence to a nil
(10:32:42 PM) Scantron: Alright.
(10:32:45 PM) SGTDan: Just for your guys precious heads
Message delivered and understood. Let's hope we don't have any more action on this.
if your reading this your gay
I'm getting all sorts of bad vibes off that, tbh. And I've been told that my creepometer is usually very well-calibrated.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
Seconding both Troy and Piffy. This isn't worth a wiki ban, but his reaction to this does not bode well. Before, he was using Asperger's as an excuse. Now he's using where he was raised and where he comes from as an excuse.
There is no excuse for continuing bad behavior. I don't care what it is, whether it's something I deeply sympathize with it, or something that personally offends my sensibilities. I don't care. The bad behavior is still bad behavior, and no one's forcing them to continue, and we shouldn't be forced to deal with it.
Before you know it, he's going to pull something else out of the hat, maybe even a hot button topic to try to derail conversation away from new shenanigans. Either way, I call bullshit.
Also, he as much as says that he's not going to change his behavior, only dial back his presence. We'll need to keep an eye on this guy. I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong, but I doubt that's gonna happen.
Someone's got to be a party pooper. While I fundamentally agree with the course of action, I find two particular points of these proceedings disturbing.
Firstly, I think that jumping straight to threats of a wiki ban is a bit much. Honestly I think the person in question overreacted (only a bit, but still). I can understand why they were concerned, but this is nothing to jump to a permanent wiki ban over. He apologized and promised to leave the person alone; if he fails to do that, then you can talk about banning. Being relatively removed from this, looking at a distance I can't help but feel there is a not insignificant amount of bias in favor of the plaintive party here, which leads to my second point:
Holy shit Scantron, could you have possibly white knighted any harder? Again, judging by the wording of your discussion with him there seems to be a strong bias against him already in place. I hate to be the one to say it, but you look like an asshole. There's no need to talk down to the guy like he's a piece of trash. I could maybe understand it if he'd walked into your house and beat up your family and shot your dog, but come on.
Someone got made uncomfortable on the internet? Holy shit, shut down everything.
I would not have backed a wiki ban.
However, in this case, he is someone who has crossed boundaries before, in the RPs, true, but still has done so. Scantron may have been a little more…open in his talking? But from experience, Dan has a huge problem accepting blame for his actions. I see this as warning him. 'Dude, you've crossed the line, don't keep it up.' I think we're in the right direction, as to what to do if ANY one comes to us with issues. Hell, if had been Dan complaining about [REDACTED] I'd like to think the reaction would be the same.
Admin, SCP Wiki
I can't help but feel there is a not insignificant amount of bias in favor of the plaintive party here, …
This is true, as I disclaimed in my initial post. As I also said, though, it's something that does need to be addressed. Do I agree with how hard Scan initially went after SGTDan? No, not necessarily. Do I still believe that bringing him up short was important? You bet your goddamn ass I do.
Now, as Bright brings up in his above post (or perhaps below - gj Wikidot), I personally would have gone after the situation exactly as hard as I did were the situation reversed. As has been said, harassment is not something that should be taken lightly.
