Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

DrMagnus 13 Jan 2018 17:54

Greetings all.

stormbreath recently posted a suggestion in the tag suggestion thread which deserves some additional discussion.

Currently anything that isn't S/E/K gets the unclassed tag, which doesn't make a lot of sense, when it's an esoteric class such as Thaumiel, Apollyon, or Heimal (And I don't really want to discuss the merits of those here lol).

The proposal is to rename "unclassed" to "nonstandard-class" to unify all of these under a better description.

All of the neutralized skips currently tagged as "unclassed" would be instead correctly tagged with "neutralized".

Discussion among the technical team during a recent meeting was unanimously in favor of this to clear up some confusion, but we'd like to see what staff have to say about it (and make sure we're not stepping on any toes in the process).

Thoughts?

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

LilyFlower 13 Jan 2018 17:57

Sounds good.

---

~🌸~Flower Power~🌸~

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Quikngruvn 13 Jan 2018 19:18

Can't think of any reason not to.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

A Random Day 13 Jan 2018 19:23

Good idea. Wholeheartedly support.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

subtletea 13 Jan 2018 19:28

Seems good to me.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Zyn 13 Jan 2018 20:08

Supporting. Makes a lot more sense to do so, and will make the tag search that much better.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

djkaktus 13 Jan 2018 20:19

I personally think Thaumiel is probably common enough now to deserve its own tag, but this is a good solution to this problem either way.

Edit: Apparently Thaumiel has its own tag. Shows what I know.

Last edited on 13 Jan 2018 21:04 by djkaktus Show more

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Accelerando 13 Jan 2018 20:30

All of the neutralized skips currently tagged as "unclassed" would be instead correctly tagged with "neutralized".

Aelanna's reasoning behind using unclassed on neutralized articles was that normal object classes should still be assigned to neutralized objects, and that being "neutralized" was more of a sub-designation. It would have made sense in that neutralized articles could still be sorted by keter, safe, Euclid, but there was an inconsistent trend in forgoing to mention a previous class before just slapping on Neutralized. Hence the usage of "unclassed", and our current mix of articles with a keter/safe/euclid + neutralized, or neutralized + unclassed. So really, we would only be removing the unclassed tag from all of the articles with neutralized + unclassed.

I'm fine with adding nonstandard-class (as ugly as it looks as a tag), but I need some points clarified since this has never been brought up before.

• Should we let "neutralized" supersede normal object classes, affecting the "keter/safe/euclid" articles?
• Should we keep standard object class tags on neutralized articles that note them, or remove them to group all neutralized articles under one bubble?
• Should we remove unclassed from articles using only "neutralized"?

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

DrMagnus 14 Jan 2018 00:20

• I would say yes, as that's the most "relevant" tag in my eyes. This is a general opinion though, and may not represent an accurate picture.
• I'd prefer just one. Neutralized would supersede for above reason.
• Yes. Unclassed makes no sense, when the class is neutralized.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Accelerando 15 Jan 2018 21:13

Knowing that we'll be treating Neutralized as more of a major class, I have no further objections against a nonstandard-class tag (besides trying to think of a less clunky name).

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Moklin 15 Jan 2018 22:21

Maybe "esoteric-class" or "esoteric", in keeping with the Object Class guide and how the non-standard classes are explained in tretter's rewrite of said guide? Though it does have a ≥ syllable count than "nonstandard-class".

---

66 Main St • Bar Harbor, ME • 44.389718, -68.204654

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

DrMagnus 16 Jan 2018 00:43

"esoteric-class" is a much prettier tag than "nonstandard-class" as moklin suggested below.

Any ideas for any other options?

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Modern_Erasmus 13 Jan 2018 22:11

Supported strongly.

Re: Accelerando’s questions:

1. I consider Neutralized to be a main object Class, and I know I’m not alone there. If something is neutralized but formerly something else, it should be tagged neutralized.

2. Since Neutralized skips were something else while extant, I think they should keep both tags if it says the prior object Class. I know articles with mid article class changes usually just get tagged as the final class, but imo Neutralized and it’s predecessor should be an exception.

3. I believe so.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

(account deleted) 14 Jan 2018 14:42

I was going to post my own response but M_E’s is pretty much my entire sentiment. I’m in favor.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Jacob Conwell 14 Jan 2018 21:23

In favor, and also supporting M_E's reasoning on Accel's questions.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

dankaar 13 Jan 2018 23:19

I am in support of this.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Mendelssohn 14 Jan 2018 20:06

Supporting, this would make navigating a lot more convenient.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

MaliceAforethought 16 Jan 2018 08:27

Absolutely. I'm seconding "esoteric-class" as a shorter tag and for consistency with the guide, and agreeing that "neutralised" should act in conjunction with other class tags, but otherwise this seems like a pretty good idea on all accounts.

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

DrMagnus 16 Jan 2018 16:11

So the feedback has been positive.

I'm gonna take the following action items by the end of this week. Please REPLY directly to this post with objections:

1. Current skips tagged "unclassed" which are "neutralized" will be re-tagged "neutralized".
2. All articles that do not qualify above, and are "unclassed" will be re-tagged "esoteric-class"

Caveat to the above: Current articles tagged "unclassed" which do not qualify will have the tag removed. "Unclassed" will now be folded as "esoteric-class" which will cover any class other than S/E/K or Neutralized.

Last edited on 16 Jan 2018 16:12 by DrMagnus Show more

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

DrMagnus 17 Jan 2018 17:13

With no objections, and no admin objections, this is being actioned by tretter does not match any existing user name

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

MayD 17 Jan 2018 18:08

I have transferred everything over to "esoteric-class" except for these five articles which are locked and will need to be changed by someone who can access them.

• SCP-048 - "unclassed" -> "esoteric-class"
• SCP-2357 - "unclassed" -> "esoteric-class"
• SCP-3774 - Removal of "unclassed"
• SCP-809-D - Removal of "unclassed"
• SCP-DEALS-J - "unclassed" -> "esoteric-class"

E. I've appropriately changed the guides on 05 as well

Last edited on 17 Jan 2018 18:19 by MayD Show more

Re: Tag Discussion | Rename unclassed to nonstandard-class

Zyn 17 Jan 2018 22:13

Tags of those pages have been changed! Thanks tretter!