Tuomey
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Starting at 9am PST on 9-29-11, Tuomey was given a 24 hour ban for posting a Spiderman Meme pic while a chat moderator was dealing with a disciplinary issue.
Tuomey
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What the fuck?
Seems like there's no reason uninvolved users shouldn't continue chatting as normal while a moderator deals with a disciplinary issue. Unless the meme was somehow related, I don't see anything wrong here, and don't think this was a warranted ban.
I'd agree with Yoric here, and clearly the ban wasn't effective, because I've seen him around 19 since.
According to my logs,
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[11:48:37] <@TheRaven> :D
[11:48:48] < Tuomey> Hello again
[11:49:00] < Tara_Unknown> Hi Tuomey
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[11:50:08] < Eskobar> I knew I never should have mentioned the S-word.
[11:51:06] < Tara_Unknown> There are places where it immediately results in Monty Python quoting
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[11:51:22] < Eskobar> That is most places.
[11:51:22] <@E4D> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKpQRjj_WbU&feature=fvwp&NR=1
[11:51:23] < Grape> E4D: Billy Currington - People Are Crazy - length 3m 56s - rated 4.96/5.0 (19721) - 9,295,102 views - BillyCurringtonVEVO on 2009.10.07
[11:51:50] < Tara_Unknown> on the internet, yes
[11:51:56] < Eskobar> That is offensive to the atheists and alcoholics in the room.
[11:52:15] < Eskobar> And those of us forced to hear Billy Currington more often than the sound of our own voice.
[11:52:20] < Eskobar> So, southerners.
[11:52:32] <@E4D> hahahahaha
[11:53:07] <@E4D> Hey, that's good music.
[11:53:18] < Eskobar> You mean "that there's".
[11:53:44] <@E4D> I *started* to type that.
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[11:55:38] <@Clef> Jos<C3><A9> Ra<C3><BA>l Capablanca, receiving queen odds, defeated Ram<C3><B3>n Iglesias in Havana on 17 September 1893 when he was four years and ten months old. (C.N. 2146; page 234 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves.)>
[11:55:43] <@Clef> http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1481959&kpage=1
[11:55:47] <@Clef> lunch time
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Tuomey did come back 2 hours after the ban with an alternate hostmask that he was known to use since mid-September, though I don't know if it was ban evasion or hopeful-rejoining on his part since he left almost immediately. Personally, I think he just dropped by on an alternate computer.
I was under the impression—perhaps incorrectly—that the image posted was related to the disciplinary issue in some capacity.
"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato
If it was, that falls within my caveat- though frankly if clef doesn't want the other users commenting on his disciplinary actions he should consider not doing them in public. That said, if tuomey's been in 19, that's ban evasion whether the ban was warranted or not. This needs sorting out.
As I understand it, it wasn't his issue to deal with. It was a site thing regarding someone flipping out over deletion of a main wiki sandbox.
This is the image that Tuomey linked: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll65c9DXln1qj41h3o1_500.jpg. Yes, it was indeed related.
Yes, obviosuly related to the issue at hand.
Admin, SCP Wiki
Yeh, but tuomey was right :P
The kid is a whiner. He's the one I mentioned to you, bright, who'd made a sandbox on the main wiki. Clef should have directed him to you, but I guess he wasn't around when you said that.
Yes the kid was a whiner. Yes, it needed to be kicked upstairs to Bright.
No, I don't think that posting meme images mocking another user while a chat moderator is trying to deal with the issue in chat is appropriate.
Clef has a point.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
You're right.
That's because an issue this minor should have been handled via a simple stop talking about it order in 19 then taken to PMs.
Yes, I do think that since clef is not wiki staff and insisted himself on a seperation between chat and wiki that he should not have been the one to handle this situation. Yes, I think it was mishandled. Now, because clef decided to very publicly make an issue of such a small thing rather than be discreet, tuomey's banned for responding in what I feel is if not a reasonable at least a completely understandable fashion to a situation that should not have occurred in the first place.
Full log:
[08:41:07] < LackingSaint> UM WHAT
[08:41:09] < LackingSaint> WHAT THE
[08:41:18] < LackingSaint> http://www.scp-wiki.net/lackingsaint
[08:41:22] < Sykformer> …it's starting to obscure the bottom of my screen
[08:41:23] < Sykformer> LackingSaint: ?
[08:41:41] < Tuomey> Man, if I was ever an ambassador or whatever to a country I thought was spying on us I'd fill one suitcase with dildos
[08:41:42] < LackingSaint> What the hell happened to my SCP?!
[08:42:00] < Tuomey> ??
[08:42:09] < Aelanna> ?
[08:42:10] <@Dexanote> ?
[08:42:14] <@Dexanote> presumably
[08:42:18] < Sykformer> uh
[08:42:22] < Aelanna> did you post your sandbox to the main wiki?
[08:42:22] < Sykformer> LackingSaint: you're not on the sandbox
[08:42:30] <@Dexanote> if it was a sandboxed SCP, it was removed because we don't do that on the main wiki
[08:42:38] < LackingSaint> ..
[08:42:42] < Sykformer> you want http://sandbox.scpwiki.net/lackingsaint
[08:42:46] < Sykformer> uh
[08:42:49] < Sykformer> you want http://sandbox.scp-wiki.net/lackingsaint
[08:42:59] < Sykformer> or not
[08:43:02] < LackingSaint> If they really just flatout deleted the whole thing
[08:43:18] < Daedalize> He doesn't have a sandbox page.
[08:43:20] < Sykformer> check the deletion log
[08:43:45] < LackingSaint> How?
[08:43:53] < LackingSaint> No I got a message saying they deleted the page
[08:43:54] < Sykformer> its on the forums
[08:43:58] < Sykformer> oh
[08:43:59] < Tuomey> Fuck fucking fuck
[08:43:59] <@E4D> Aelanna: I have 80 stacks of thorium, what do?
[08:43:59] < Tuomey> :/
[08:44:01] < Sykformer> well then it's deleted
[08:44:06] < LackingSaint> Well fucking great
[08:44:09] < Aelanna> e4d: sell it, unless you can use it?
[08:44:10] < LackingSaint> Real curtious
[08:44:13] < Sykformer> do everything in notepad
[08:44:17] <@Quikngruvn> LS, from whom about what?
[08:44:29] < Tuomey> Goddamn mother was supposed to call me before she was two fucking minutes away T ___ T
[08:44:43] < LackingSaint> I accidentally posted my SCP wip to the main wiki instead of the Sandbox
[08:44:48] <@E4D> LackingSaint: They don't just keep faulty formatting or deleted pages there.
[08:44:55] < LackingSaint> And rather than consult me or give me a copy
[08:44:59] <@E4D> It's not a clearinghouse for WIPs.
[08:45:02] < LackingSaint> They just deleted the entire thing
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[08:45:12] <@Quikngruvn> LS: They being who?
[08:45:20] <@Dexanote> What user?
[08:45:24] < Tuomey> http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lliujcW2uJ1qhgj0q.gif
[08:45:34] < LackingSaint> pooryoric
[08:45:40] <@Dexanote> Makes sense.
[08:45:47] <@Quikngruvn> Yeah, no surprise there.
[08:45:52] < Sykformer> hah yeah don't expect him to be courtious
[08:46:09] < LackingSaint> Well to be honest that was 3 days of work, I don't know if I can be fucked to do it all over again.
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[08:46:27] < Sykformer> don't use the wikis as your editing side
[08:46:28] <@Quikngruvn> Do you not have a copy of it somewhere?
[08:46:31] < Sykformer> do it in notepad
[08:46:34] <@Quikngruvn> A local copy?
[08:46:36] < Sykformer> then use the wikis to show it off
[08:46:37] < LackingSaint> Nope, not anymore
[08:46:40] < Sykformer> not the other way round
[08:46:45] < Sykformer> first lesson of the cloud
[08:46:47] < Sykformer> the cloud sucks
[08:46:48] <@Quikngruvn> …why not?
[08:46:55] < Sykformer> don't store anything on it exclusively
[08:46:59] <@E4D> You thought the wiki was where WIPs go?
[08:47:03] < LackingSaint> Because I thought I posted it on the Sandbox
[08:47:16] <@E4D> OH!
[08:47:24] < LackingSaint> THis was my first ever SCP. Is it really so strange to accidentally put it in the wrong place?
[08:47:38] < Tuomey> Yes
[08:47:38] <@Quikngruvn> When did you post the page?
[08:47:40] < Tuomey> It kind of is
[08:47:45] < Tuomey> Sorry :s
[08:47:46] < Aelanna> lesson of the day it is to keep backups
[08:47:48] <@E4D> Well, there are a number of guides about it, and there's a link to the sandbox in this very chat
[08:47:49] < LackingSaint> Yesterday
[08:47:52] < Aelanna> either notepad or RTFs
[08:47:57] <@Quikngruvn> When yesterday?
[08:48:00] <@E4D> And pastebin
[08:48:12] < LackingSaint> It was on the Wikidot sandbox and got deleted, so I posted it here like
[08:48:21] < LackingSaint> 8AM this morning?
[08:48:23] < LackingSaint> Maybe a bit earlier
[08:48:25] < LackingSaint> GMT
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[08:49:28] < Sequence> :U
[08:50:06] < LackingSaint> For the record
[08:50:14] < LackingSaint> I posted this this morning
[08:50:22] < LackingSaint> Got like 4 people talking to me about it
[08:50:28] < LackingSaint> And NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE IT WAS POSTED.
[08:50:45] < Sequence> What happened?
[08:50:58] < Sequence> did someone get smacked in the face with a pie?
[08:51:05] < Sequence> Or possible a sedimentary rock?
[08:51:13] < Sequence> even a sentimental rock would be nice
[08:51:29] < Daedalize> Sequence: Lacking's writeup got deleted for being on the main wiki instead of the sandbox.
[08:51:32] < LackingSaint> My SCP i've been working on for like 3 days just got deleted because I accidentally made an actual page and not a sandbox
[08:51:36] < Sequence> ooooooh
[08:51:41] < Sequence> bad luck, man
[08:51:49] < Sequence> you did save it,right
[08:51:54] < LackingSaint> Nope.
[08:51:57] < LackingSaint> I used the sandbox
[08:52:00] <@Dexanote> Sorry man.
[08:52:01] < LackingSaint> As far as I was aware
[08:52:20] < LackingSaint> If there is really no place where I can grab what i've already done
[08:52:20] <@Dexanote> http://sandbox.scp-wiki.net/ is the proper sandbox
[08:52:25] < LackingSaint> Then i'm done, i'm sorry
[08:52:34] <@Dexanote> :/ sorry man.
[08:52:41] < LackingSaint> This has been a really inviting community i've been really excited to be a part of
[08:52:55] < LackingSaint> But if 3 days of my goddamn spare time is just gone now, no thank you
[08:53:01] < Daedalize> Someone /might/ have a cached version, but otherwise…
[08:53:03] < Sequence> :[08:53:17] < Sequence> what was the url?
[08:53:40] <@Clef> :/
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[08:53:56] < Sequence> I've got a cache searcher up
[08:53:57] < LackingSaint> http://www.scp-wiki.net/lackingsaint
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[08:55:16] < LackingSaint> Seriously I would have probably noticed there was something wrong if like 4 people didn't comment in the chat about the SCP without any mention of it being on the main wiki and not the sandbox
[08:56:00] < Aelanna> This is why I hate kludgey solutions like multiple wikidots
[08:56:00] < LackingSaint> And jesus, maybe have the fucking heart to give me like a day's notice
[08:56:09] < Aelanna> Saint. Calm down. :|
[08:56:20] < Aelanna> You're not the first, and you won't be the last.
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[08:56:31] <@Quikngruvn> This is why you keep local backups.
[08:56:40] <@Quikngruvn> And also follow directions.
[08:56:48] < LackingSaint> I'm sorry, but it did spend alot of my time on this and if it's really just gone that's really arg
[08:56:50] < Aelanna> What Quik said. I only post to the sandbox with public drafts. I keep my work in Wordpad.
[08:56:55] < Tuomey> http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/guide-to-newbies#toc3
[08:56:59] < Aelanna> Yeah, but raging won't help.
[08:57:07] < Aelanna> Go take a walk or get a drink, calm down.
[08:57:13] < Aelanna> Then work on rewriting it. :P
[08:57:17] < Aelanna> Shit happens.
[08:57:23] < Holbenilord> ^
[08:57:31] < Aelanna> I deleted my entire music collection by accident.
[08:57:35] <@Dexanote> I doubt they would have noticed
[08:57:35] <@Dexanote> :/
[08:57:41] < Aelanna> Eight years of collecting rare soundtracks and imports.
[08:57:49] < Aelanna> So… yeah.
[08:58:00] < Aelanna> One SCP draft is nothing. Go get your mind off it for a bit.
[08:58:23] < LackingSaint> If this is gone, I doubt i'll be working on this particular SCP ever again.
[08:58:33] < Sequence> fuck
[08:58:33] < Sequence> okay
[08:58:40] < LackingSaint> Little seems more tedious than remaking the exact same idea again
[08:58:44] < Sequence> I'm being blocked by the no-proxy
[08:58:45] < Sequence> but
[08:58:47] < Sequence> hey, saint
[08:58:48] < Sequence> listen
[08:58:51] < Sequence> go to google
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[08:58:57] < Sequence> type 'cache:http://www.scp-wiki.net/lackingsaint'
[08:59:02] < Sequence> search
[08:59:05] < Sequence> PROFIT
[08:59:25] < Sequence> and seriously
[08:59:27] < LackingSaint> 404
[08:59:28] < Sequence> calm down.
[08:59:38] <@Dexanote> wtf 404
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[09:00:00] <@Dexanote> Yeah, Saint, sit back. My first SCP died a horrible death at like -16 or something and I later rewrote it
[09:00:04] < Freudian> SCP-404
[09:00:04] < Grape> Freudian: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-404 - Memories Lost, Memories Found
[09:00:10] < LackingSaint> Yeah it's just a 404
[09:00:14] <@Dexanote> it's like + 19 now.
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[09:00:22] < Freudian> Hahaha, of course that's "memories lost"
[09:00:26] < LackingSaint> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.scp-wiki.net%2Flackingsaint&btnG=Search&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=
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[09:00:48] <@Clef> well.
[09:00:56] <@Clef> I guess that's that, then.
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[09:01:35] < Freudian> Clef: what's what?
[09:01:46] < LackingSaint> Are you seeing something i'm not, Sequence?
[09:01:53] < Sequence> re:proxy
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[09:01:57] < Sequence> I can't see anything
[09:02:09] < Sequence> I just found out how to search for caches on google
[09:02:25] < BlackWing> Caches? Weapon or otherwise?
[09:02:28] < Tuomey> It was just an idea that might have worked, saint, to see if there was a cache.
[09:02:33] < Tuomey> There wasn't.
[09:02:35] < Tuomey> Shit happens.
[09:02:44] < Tuomey> Sometimes people lose work.
[09:02:53] <@Quikngruvn> Now, LS, a couple things can happen.
[09:03:06] < Sequence> I once was finishing up an assignment with 3 minutes to go
[09:03:12] < Sequence> and someone turned off my computer.
[09:03:16] <@Quikngruvn> You can learn from this, and keep copies of important crap.
[09:03:22] < Tuomey> I lost a fuckton of work once because I had a seizure, went away in an ambulance and no one thought to yank my flash drive.
[09:03:22] < Tuomey> Shit happens.
[09:03:30] <@Quikngruvn> Or, you can just be bitter and rage.
[09:03:53] <@Quikngruvn> (Or both, I guess.)
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[09:04:09] < LackingSaint> I think I will go with both, because regardless of how yes I will just get over this and carry on
[09:04:16] <@Dexanote> S'all good Saint
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[09:04:31] <@Dexanote> Just hope this doesn't scare you off. You sound like you have potentioal to be a good member.
[09:04:33] < LackingSaint> It's incredibly spiteful and just mean to decide to delete all of somebodie's work because they messed up
[09:04:43] <@Clef> Saint
[09:04:44] * Dexanote punches the fuck out of Iron_Wofle
[09:04:58] < Iron_wofle> Wait, what happened?
[09:04:58] < Tuomey> FFS
[09:05:00] < Daedalize> I doubt it was even a decision.
[09:05:04] * Sequence hugs the fuck out of Iron_wofle
[09:05:05] <@Clef> We had an issue in the past with over nine thousand sandbox pages clogging up the main wiki.
[09:05:09] < Tuomey> It got deleted because it was in the wrong place :/
[09:05:14] < Tuomey> SHIT HAPPENS
[09:05:20] <@Clef> at this point, it's a reflex action: any sandbox pages on the main wiki get deleted immediately.
[09:05:25] < LackingSaint> I understand that Clef, but surely they could give me some kind of notice?
[09:05:29] <@Clef> same with posting a full scp draft to the forum
[09:05:32] < Tuomey> :/
[09:05:32] < Daedalize> It's pretty much automated maintenance, clearing stuff off of a wiki like that.
[09:05:42] < LackingSaint> I've been in this chat pretty much as long as i've been around for 3 days straight
[09:05:54] < LackingSaint> Just TELL me
[09:05:59] < Iron_wofle> You should be doing the writing in an external text editor anyway, to preve
[09:05:59] <@Clef> Saint
[09:06:03] < Tuomey> Jesus
[09:06:06] < Iron_wofle> nt this kind of thing and to have a better editor
[09:06:07] < Daedalize> Not everyone is in the chat.
[09:06:07] < Tuomey> Hey hey listen to this one
[09:06:09] < Tuomey> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll65c9DXln1qj41h3o1_500.jpg
[09:06:12] <@Clef> the person who deleted the page had the choice of giving you notice that it was going to be deleted
[09:06:19] <@Clef> he had no obligation to do so.
[09:06:23] < Daedalize> Hell, most of the people in the chat aren't in the chat.
[09:06:27] < Tuomey> And he's not even /here/
[09:06:27] < Sequence> Tuomey: hurr
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[09:06:47] <@Clef> that doesn't help, tuomey
[09:07:09] <@Clef> in fact
[09:07:18] *** mode/#site19 [+b *!*@38E744CB.6568D10D.7FF4E0DE.IP] by Clef
[09:07:18] *** Tuomey was kicked from #site19 by Clef [Clef]
[09:07:35] < Holbenilord> Clef, how will you manage 25 writers in Game Day?
[09:07:46] < Holbenilord> (Or whatever number)
[09:08:10] < LackingSaint> What was that, a temp ban or something?
[09:08:25] <@Dexanote> Yep
[09:08:25] <@Dexanote> Looks like it
[09:08:28] < Daedalize> Yep.
[09:08:54] < LackingSaint> I didn't take it to heart, I don't know if it was that bad
[09:09:07] <@Dexanote> It wasn't.
[09:09:49] <@Clef> Saint?
[09:09:52] <@Clef> Grow up.
[09:09:56] <@Clef> Suck it up and move on.
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[09:10:59] < LackingSaint> :|
[09:11:10] < LackingSaint> I'm remaking the page now
[09:11:16] < Iron_wofle> Shit happens, be better prepared next time
[09:13:44] < LackingSaint> I fully accept that what I did was newbish and something should have happened. I'm sorry for posting in the wrong place. At the same time, I don't accept that it's "fine" to just delete someone's work because
they put it in the wrong place; I run a fairly active forum and if somebody posts their Artwork to "General Discussion" or something like that, I inform them before I delete the whole thing.
[09:14:02] *** Dexanote is now known as seXXXanote
[09:14:07] < LackingSaint> Whatever, lemme start up again
[09:14:38] <@Clef> Saint: the mods are discussing the issue.
[09:14:47] <@seXXXanote> GOOD LUCK SAINT
[09:14:49] <@Clef> long story short, though, your work is still gone, so. .. yeah.
[09:15:11] < Freudian> This is why I save all my crap to my hard drive.
[09:15:38] < Freudian> Yoric can't get there.
[09:15:39] < LackingSaint> Thanks mr note
[09:15:51] < BlackWing> He can get anywhere
[09:15:53] < BlackWing> It's his power
[09:15:53] < Freudian> (probably best for him, given the stuff I have on there)
[09:15:55] < LackingSaint> I'm also very happy to here this is actually something discussed
[09:16:12] <@Clef> freudian: CAN'T HE?
[09:16:40] < Freudian> If he could, I'd either be in court or paying him $500 a month.
[09:16:52] <@seXXXanote> GOOD LUCK SAINT
[09:16:52] * seXXXanote has a number of files, backups of all his SCPs and stories
[09:16:59] < BlackWing> Or paying him 500 a month from court
[09:17:00] *** Pig_catapult [~moc.retrahc.ac.olns.pchd.006CF69D-CRInys|alliztahc#moc.retrahc.ac.olns.pchd.006CF69D-CRInys|alliztahc] has joined #site19
[09:17:02] < Iron_wofle> Isn't there something in the "how to write an SCP section" about using an external editor?
[09:17:07] < BlackWing> And who is SeXXXanote?
[09:17:12] < LackingSaint> But yeah, not condusive to the creative process that i'm spending my days redoing work i've already done or something like that, thanks for taking this thing seriously
[09:17:13] <@seXXXanote> …
[09:17:20] *** BlackWing was kicked from #site19 by seXXXanote [Dexanote, only sexier.]
[09:17:33] *** BlackWing [~ten.labolgcbs.omslts.deepsthgil.4729A564-CRInys|alliztahc#ten.labolgcbs.omslts.deepsthgil.4729A564-CRInys|alliztahc] has joined #site19
[09:17:40] <@Clef> Saint?
[09:17:44] <@Clef> Discussion is over.
[09:17:46] <@Clef> get to work.
I really don't see what separation of chat and wiki has to do with Clef-shouldn't-have-talked-to-the-guy. The guy came into #site19 to complain, Clef gave him a concise explanation of what happened and why he should stop (and read the newbie guides), and the guy decided to keep on complaining for a while. Understandable but he should have just picked up and moved on (as Clef told him) instead of looking for a lawsuit. Regardless of whose jurisdiction it was (hah, jurisdiction fights), it happened in #site19 and Clef as an op dealt with it cleanly and Tuomey decided to jump in the backseat and mock the guy. Personally I don't think “Tuomey was right, the kid deserved that and Tuomey didn't” is a good reason to justify anyone mocking a user who's being talked to by a mod.
Besides, I don't really see a point to taking a minor non-private issue over PM (e.g. for LS, not ban appeals, etc) when it could be resolved on the spot; it feels very anti-social on our part. Open mature communication from our end in dealing with small issues (that are resolved relatively quickly) fosters a sense of openness and responsibility and community because users can see how we the ops actually deal with things and the new kids especially get to see how things work. A lot of the users use #site19 as the support channel for various wiki-related things and the other users and mods gladly help them. It's natural that people like LS would bring up the sandbox issue in #site19 and that Clef would deal with it right there (no need to forward him to somebody else who's going to say the same thing). If the issue needed discretion than my-work-in-progress-was-deleted, I'm sure it would've been taken over PM. And if I recall correctly, the separation of chat and wiki is there to prevent chat issues involving users affecting wiki policy and vice versa.
Okay, reading the log? I don't see any problem at all with what Clef did, in regard to telling LS how it is or in tempbanning Toumey. What Toumey did was completely uncalled for, and a jackass thing to do, to boot.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
I was under the impression that Clef still was wiki staff and had just stepped down from administration.
"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato
All right. Weighing in here. Clef is still a member of the senior staff, even if not a mod or admin. He was handling an issue in the chat. Tuomey was acting like a dick, and got banned for it. All totally within Clefs sphere of influence, and power. Now, whether he should get a further ban for ban evasion, that's up to the chat Ops. But I don't want to see any more useless arguement about whether Clef acted right.
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The log plus ban evasion changes things anyway.
/forum/t-396178/tuomey#post-