Earlier today, I had started deletion votes for two 3000 entries that had fallen into negatives. I have since been informed that contest entries are not subject to deletion votes until the conclusion of the contest. The votes have been canceled. Should, upon conclusion of the contest, they continue to be past the deletion threshold, the votes will be started again.
I have since been informed that contest entries are not subject to deletion votes until the conclusion of the contest.
This strikes me as off, since there have been many 3000 entries that were in deletion range and were deleted during the period where entries are posted. Looking at the contest rules,
Q: Can entries in the negatives be deleted before the contest is up?
A: Yes, entries can and will be deleted as normal. Staff will delete any that have been up for 24 hours and have fallen to -10. Staff will intervene in cases of suspicious downvoting.
It seems to suggest that contest entries will still be deleted as per normal. That being said, it can just be that the normal deletion process is applicable during the posting period and deletion does not occur during the voting period.
In almost all recent contests entries were exempt from deletion until the conclusion of the contest (which is why whoever told you that did so), but the rules for this contest explicitly say they will go through a normal deletion process (which is why they're wrong in this case).
You can note entries here if you want, or not. Hell save the source and post it on the contest discussion page if you want, but they should be going through the normal deletion process (and, I should note, several entries already have went through the process and are gone already).
It's unfair to delete things the authors can't edit, even if it's part of the rules. We didn't think of that when we wrote the contest rules. A roughly 72 hour stay if execution seems reasonable enough to me given the circumstances.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
I think that there should be indicated on the contest rules, that a contest entry (with rating below -10) is not subject to deletion vote in the period between the end of the posting period and the contest conclusion. It might not have been there when the rules were written, but it won't hurt to specify the finer details.
I mean, the current rules are rather vague on that front.
Q: Can entries in the negatives be deleted before the contest is up?
By "the contest is up", does that mean the end of the posting period or the overall end of the contest?
You can make that change ad hoc if that's how you want it to be. You're the contest runner after all. As long as it's documented somewheres I don't think anyone will complain.
It's unfair to delete things the authors can't edit, even if it's part of the rules.
True, but leaving up the entries that fell in the negatives ended up creating some messy downvote dogpiles for a few 2000 contest entries, if I recall correctly. Given that it's been made clear that a contest entry cannot be edited past a certain date, I think it's fair to apply standard deletion if it means preventing build-up of shitposts/overtly harsh critique aiming for an easy target.
Technically they can edit if they want. It just stops being a contest entry then. Or am I misreading? (One assumes they'd change it to be a regular article then?)
I'm specifically thinking of this situation:
I thought the inclusion of standard deletion in this contest was a response to that, actually. Regular members will already delete their own article if it drops past a threshold, so I think we should do the same for contest entries.
Were any of the already deleted entries deleted after the editing window closed? Because if so, it is too late to make this change and be fair.
From the Deletion thread, we have:
SCP-3000 - Knowing / 3000conteststerbai, SCP-3000 is the designation for an effect or entity/entities of unknown nature, which currently is believed to reside or originate from somewhere in the upper atmosphere levels of the Earth. The existence of the effect/being(s) is only known from a few singular incidents, the most prominent one involving the International Space Station. More information about this incident, designated SCP-3000/1, is found below. Other incidents involved isolated shuttles and other off-earth missions, -13 and three staff votes.
SCP-3000: Starstruck / scp3000contestinhumanyhoughts, SCP-3000-A is comprised of nine (9) meteorites, when an SCP-3000-A instance is heated up to ten (10) Celsius it will begin to generate an orange fluid, the fluid is mostly comprised of stem-cells, human blood, spinal fluid, and stomach acid. Testing has shown that the fluids contains biologically impossible genetic sequences, such as A-C and G-T, -16 and three staff votes.
SCP-3000: Dust to Dust / 3000contestthebillith, SCP-3000 is a dilapidated two (2) story house located approximately █ miles outside of ██████ █████, Oregon. No known records of the construction or ownership of 3000 exist at this time (See Addendum 3000-1-A). Despite the degrading architecture, the house is sealed completely, and all attempts to break or peer through the windows have failed, -15 and three staff votes.
So three after the 10th, it seems like it is too late to fairly change the rules now?
In these cases, the deletion vote was begun before the deadline for submissions, so it's different and more in line with the 3000 contest rules.
ETA: Also, Dust to Dust is back as a mainlister and is rated positively now.
