User davidtry first joined the IRC on October 19th. He started by asking about a specific humanoid SCP, and then explained that he wanted to make art specifically for someone else to make an SCP of. Many users tried explaining to him that this is not how the Wiki works. This is where the problematic behavior patterns began, and they continued to become more extreme. I've broken down the behavior patterns into roughly related themes. I didn't include individual dates, but each section is in rough chronological order, and all behavior patterns were relatively consistent. These are just the #site19 logs, there is more in #thecritters including repeatedly giving poor feedback to users after being told to stop, as well as more instances of him demanding that other users write his ideas. I have not included those as I feel these logs sufficiently showcase the issues.
Unnecessary lines such as users leaving/joining have been removed, as well as certain side conversations that were not relevant. Certain instances have been highlighted for obvious reasons.
[19:15:52] <drblackbox> Nobody looks at a drawing and thinks they have to make a story based on it because of the "quality".
[19:16:13] <drblackbox> Even when people make stories based on images it's because of the content rather than the "quality".
[19:16:27] <davidtry> drblackbox dude are you kidding me? The most well-known scps are the ones written based on images
[19:18:13] <davidtry> Dude the most well known scps are the ones with the good artworks.
[19:19:36] <davidtry> newer scps aren't popular that's why
[19:19:39] <drblackbox> Like even the old ones aren't really popular /because/ of the artwork.
[19:19:50] <davidtry> old ones are popular solely because of artwork
[19:20:35] <SoundChaser> so do you want to make something so it gets featured in a game?
[19:20:51] <davidtry> I'm not talking about what is popular in scp wiki community. I'm talking about what is popular overall.
[19:20:58] <angyfinley> so
[19:21:05] <davidtry> SoundChaser that would be too much to ask
[19:21:19] <drblackbox> Right and nothing is popular overall because of the artwork.
[19:21:29] <davidtry> That's not true
[19:21:32] <angyfinley> you are talking about what is popular because its featured in youtube videos?
[19:21:36] <davidtry> YES
[19:21:38] <davidtry> EXACTLY
[19:21:41] <angyfinley> pffffffft
[19:21:51] <drblackbox> YouTube videos don't really feature SCPs because of the pictures.
[19:21:51] <DrFullham> So you're doing this because you want someone to feature your artwork in an SCP YouTube video
[19:21:55] <amby> ive written exactly one scp and there's a youtube video about it
[19:22:01] <amby> oh and it didnt have a picture
[19:22:03] <SoundChaser> most youtube vids are extremely dumbed down
[19:22:04] <angyfinley> amby: which one?
[19:22:09] <angyfinley> also true
[19:22:14] <amby> well. a reading of it
[19:22:19] <angyfinley> ah lol
[19:22:33] <SoundChaser> theres a lot more to them that the video creator ditches
[19:22:35] <angyfinley> im thinking david here is talking about the scp explained type of youtube video
[19:22:41] <davidtry> no
[19:22:45] <angyfinley> not just readings of them
[19:23:05] <davidtry> I am talking of that sort of scps that get into brainrot videos
[08:18:41] <davidtry> well I was looking for something like Joker(2019) or V stands for Vendetta
[08:19:45] <Cydhra> well then look for Joker(2019) or V stands for vendetta :P
[08:20:08] <Cydhra> also the joker is not an anti-authoritarian fighter
[08:20:19] <davidtry> I disagree
08:20:30] <Cydhra> yeah because you misunderstood the movie
[08:20:46] <davidtry> Why's that?
[08:21:20] <Cydhra> the movie is about a guy who goes insane and has delusions about being an anti-authoritarian fighter while he is just a criminal in psychosis
[08:21:44] <davidtry> He is a good guy
[04:09:23] <davidtry> https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/rewrite-guide
[04:09:39] <davidtry> it turns out people indeed write others' ideas
[06:00:26] <davidtry> Guys why did images of scp-096, scp-106, scp-049 get removed?
[06:01:34] <Angryman22> probably weren't licensing compliant
[06:04:31] <davidtry> Angryman22 these were good images
[06:04:41] <davidtry> I miss these
[06:04:47] <Angryman22> licensing thinks otherwise
[06:04:52] <Angryman22> and it takes priority :P
[06:09:51] <davidtry> Angryman22 this is just sad
[11:20:46] <davidtry> JuneBug isn't the whole scp thing about trolling (at least to some extent)
[11:21:09] <JuneBug> davidtry: no it's a COLLABARATIVE writing website
[11:21:22] <davidtry> but many scp entries are just troll entries
[10:31:40] <davidtry> I have an idea how we can solve the numbering problem
[10:32:22] <davidtry> write objects for other GOIs instead of scp and the numbers will always stay in a range of 1000
[10:32:36] <JuneBug> davidtry: there's not a numbering problem
[10:32:41] <JuneBug> we're gonna get 10000 soon enough
[10:32:49] <davidtry> there is these numbers are becoming too long
[10:33:20] <davidtry> at this point it's like we're dealing with phone numbers
[10:33:42] <fRigened> other GOI categorization are worse
[10:33:55] <fRigened> MC&D category system is horrible
[10:33:58] <angyfinley> fRigened: me everytime i see a uiu article
[10:34:02] <davidtry> we need other GOIs to be as good as SCP to keep the numbers low
[11:13:16] <davidtry> guys can we shift all the scps just by 1 so I can submit scp-001?
[11:13:33] <SoundChaser> you can submit an 001
[11:13:35] <JuneBug> you can submit a 001 submisson, that's the whole point of 001
[11:13:38] <SoundChaser> anyone can
[11:13:41] <davidtry> i want my 001 be the only one
[11:13:43] <JuneBug> they're just incredibly scrutin
[11:13:44] <JuneBug> bruh
[11:13:44] <davidtry> that's the point
[11:13:47] <SoundChaser> never gonna happin
[11:13:49] <SoundChaser> happen
[11:13:55] <SoundChaser> fuck me how did i misspell that
[11:13:57] <angyfinley> so you just want to delete all the other scp-001s?
[11:14:13] <davidtry> no i want them to become scp-002 and scp-002 to become scp-003 and so on
[11:14:16] <JuneBug> davidtry: full offense, you can't even write your own idea.
[11:14:22] <angyfinley> yeah like
[11:14:34] <angyfinley> why should we do that for someone who isnt even writing their own thing
[11:14:49] <davidtry> all the great ideas are based on other great ideas
[11:15:08] <angyfinley> not true
[11:15:12] <SoundChaser> not hugely relevant
[11:15:16] <angyfinley> just factually not true
[11:15:24] <davidtry> I give the people the freedom to write
[11:15:33] <angyfinley> wh
[11:15:47] <SoundChaser> we have the freedom to write anyway
[11:15:51] <SoundChaser> thats sort of the point
[11:15:59] <Cydhra> how benevolent
[11:16:02] <angyfinley> i didnt have freedom to write before now v_v
[11:16:17] <angyfinley> now we know why i sucked at writing
[11:16:49] <davidtry> I just know that I'm not as good in writing as you guys that's why I don't try
[13:38:41] <davidtry> guys i'm so excited about upcoming change of scp numbering
[13:39:07] <RadiantGold> davidtry: wdym change
[13:39:10] <RadiantGold> nothings changing
[13:39:40] <davidtry> RadiantGold did you forget? we are shifting all the scp numbers by 1 to make my scp the first
[14:26:29] <davidtry> Zoobeeny but I would prefer to take scp-001 so I think it's the most reasonable solution to move all the scps a bit further up
[14:26:33] <AnomalySource> k
[14:26:54] <aryainblue> davidtry: you realise there are dozens of SCP-001 proposals?
[14:26:55] <Zoobeeny> davidtry: I mean, of all the numbers below 999, SCP-001 is probably the most easily accessible one.
[14:27:00] <aryainblue> so it wouldn’t be just one
[14:27:07] <aryainblue> it would be by dozens
[14:27:08] <Zoobeeny> Because literally anyone can write an SCP-001
[14:27:25] <davidtry> but the problem is that I don't really want any competition
[08:11:10] <davidtry> I deserve scp-9999 slot
[08:11:50] <Lon> you might think you do, but others might not agree with you
[08:12:21] <davidtry> people in this channel don't represent the whole scp community
[08:12:29] <davidtry> so it's worth a try
[08:34:06] <davidtry> I'm not good at this
[08:35:04] <davidtry> I can only draft an idea but when it comes to writing I suck at this
[08:36:24] <Cydhra> nobody writes a good piece on the first attempt
[08:36:59] <davidtry> I will ask you guys to write it instead. I am too lazy for that.
[08:37:16] <drblackbox> Nobody's gonna write something just because you want it written
[08:37:37] <davidtry> Depends on how much I want it
[08:37:38] <Cydhra> yeah thats not how it works
[08:38:15] <JuneBug> Huhh
[08:38:36] <Cydhra> maybe the real trustfund kid was the davidtry we found along the way 😔
[08:38:45] <drblackbox> Dave if your idea is self-described as "the Joker" nobody is going to want to write it.
[08:39:24] <davidtry> Well yeah this is the idea and I want you guys to write it
[08:39:52] <Cydhra> you can want it a lot, i dont think people will mind it
[08:40:05] <davidtry> I believe in people
[08:44:52] <davidtry> But I need "joker but scp"
[08:44:59] <drblackbox> Why?
[08:44:59] <Mooagain> davidtry that is very much not true, pretty much everyone only writes their own ideas or the ideas from their close friends
[08:46:22] <davidtry> really? I think it's way easier to come up with something good when these concerns are separated
[08:46:51] <Cydhra> it's nice that you think that but nobody else does, and you are already experiencing that you cant come up with writing either
[08:46:53] <davidtry> Someone who's good in ideas tend to be less good in writing
[08:46:55] <Cydhra> so why would anyone else
[08:47:12] <davidtry> because this is their job
[08:47:27] <Mooagain> Nobody here has a job
[08:47:43] <Cydhra> i do, and im gonna quit this discussion, cus i have to do it :P
[08:47:53] <Cydhra> and this is going nowhere obviously anyway
[08:48:11] <Mooagain> Good point
[08:48:11] <davidtry> I came up with a good idea and now it's writers' turn to implement it
[08:48:15] <davidtry> that's how it works
[14:29:06] <RadiantGold> davidtry: arent you the same fucking goober that wanted to pawn off your idea and have someone here write it for you
[14:29:22] <davidtry> RadiantGold yes I believe that was me
[14:29:55] <Zoobeeny> RadiantGold goes on the offensive!
[14:30:30] <davidtry> i think my "joker scp" idea is actually pretty good
[14:30:56] <drblackbox> I still don't really understand what the idea is beyond "the Joker from Batman but in SCP"
[14:31:00] <fRigened> everyone think their ideas are good. it needs to be judged externally.
[14:31:07] <davidtry> agree
[14:31:21] <davidtry> but someone has to write the article first
[14:31:33] <RadiantGold> davidtry: yeah, you.
[14:31:36] <RadiantGold> its your idea
[14:31:46] <davidtry> I haven't written any scp ever
[14:31:55] <Zoobeeny> Same goes for every new author on the site lol
[14:32:01] <fRigened> you gotta start somewhere
[14:32:26] <davidtry> But what if I'm good at creating new ideas but not that good in implementing these
[14:32:41] <davidtry> You think it's worth a try?
[14:32:51] <fRigened> who knows
[14:33:09] <fRigened> we;re not prophets we can only know things that already happened
[14:33:19] <Zoobeeny> davidtry: Lemme be real
[14:33:25] <Zoobeeny> Everyone can come up with ideas.
[14:33:31] <aryainblue> AnomalySource: it is
[14:33:40] <davidtry> But not everyone can come up with good ideas like "joker scp"
[14:33:41] <Zoobeeny> There is no one who is "good at creating new ideas" because frankly, it's really, really hard to be *bad* at coming up with ideas.
[14:33:54] <Zoobeeny> davidtry: See, that's where you're wrong.
[14:34:07] <Zoobeeny> There are going to be 10000 SCPs on this site in probably 1.5 years.
[14:34:17] <Zoobeeny> Every single one came from an idea.
[14:34:57] <davidtry> but i haven't seen this idea or any remotely similar idea among all the existing scps
[14:35:05] <aryainblue> at this point the last contribution from his wiki profile anywhere was last month
[14:35:07] <Zoobeeny> Doesn't matter. A unique idea is easy to make.
[14:35:12] <RadiantGold> davidtry: then you're lying to yourself
[14:35:43] <Zoobeeny> No one *needs* ideas, because everyone who can write can also come up with ideas.
[14:35:51] <aryainblue> and he apparently hadn’t been in contact with the co-author for his 9kon entry for some time by the time the kon ended
[14:36:05] <GlassAutomaton> Ideas Guy:tm:
[14:36:41] <Zoobeeny> GlassAutomaton: 😔
[14:37:06] <davidtry> I think we need a clear separation of concerns. Someone comes up with ideas, someone else writes articles, someones makes artwork for it
[14:37:22] <RadiantGold> do you think this is a factory line
[14:37:29] <RadiantGold> are we in a general motors facility
[14:37:46] <davidtry> that's the secret of its productivity
[14:37:49] <RadiantGold> is your name henry ford
[14:38:03] <davidtry> so if we employ the same principles we will get better results as well
[05:53:25] <davidtry> Guys did you alredy write scp for my idea?
[05:55:37] <davidtry> guys I wanna see a draft of the scp
[07:28:56] <davidtry> guys where's a draft of my scp?
[07:29:16] <angyfinley> what do you mean
[07:30:05] <davidtry> i mean the idea that I came up with. Someone is working on it. Right?
[07:30:09] <drblackbox> No.
[07:30:30] <davidtry> drblackbox how do you know?
[07:30:33] <aryainblue> davidtry: unless someone’s said they’re working on it
[07:30:37] <aryainblue> don’t assume anyone is
[07:30:41] <angyfinley> 99% chance nobody is working on it
[07:30:53] <aryainblue> i’d say 100%
[07:31:00] <angyfinley> fair
[07:31:05] <davidtry> I'm more optimistic about that
[07:31:26] <davidtry> guys you have time until Halloween
[07:31:49] <bariumbee> I'm confused
[07:32:48] <angyfinley> bariumbee: david here has explained that they dont want to write their article, so they asked if someone else would be able to do it for them and everybody said no cuz thats not how the wiki works
[07:32:59] <bariumbee> Ah thank you
[07:33:04] <angyfinley> np
[07:34:31] <davidtry> guys can I host a contest in the same way as scp-9000, public domain and other contests are hosted?
[07:34:56] <JuneBug> .s contestcon
[07:34:57] <crom> JuneBug: No results.
[07:35:24] <JuneBug> Also didnt staff tell him to not ask again
[07:35:34] <davidtry> Can users host contests on the wiki?
[07:35:47] <angyfinley> irrc they need permission from staff
[07:35:56] <angyfinley> also if you really want to know just ask in 17
[07:35:58] <JuneBug> .s concon
[07:35:59] <crom> JuneBug: No results.
[07:36:08] <JuneBug> I swear there was a contest con
[07:36:11] <davidtry> but what if I create a forum post titled [Contest]?
[07:36:24] <drblackbox> There was I think it was called contestcon and run by Place.
[07:36:29] <drblackbox> .s contest con
[07:36:30] <crom> drblackbox: CONTEST CONTEST (+178, written almost 3 years ago by Placeholder McD) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/contest-contest
[07:36:42] <angyfinley> that does seem like a place thing to do
[07:36:44] <JuneBug> thank u
[07:37:02] <davidtry> thank you so much for showing me this page guys!
[07:37:07] <JuneBug> there's no rules against hosting a contest, but like nobody is gonna join your random contest for no reason
[07:37:15] <drblackbox> I'm not entirely convinced Place isn't an SCP physicist IRL.
[07:37:16] <davidtry> i have added it as a bookmark
[07:37:36] <JuneBug> davidtry: what is the incentive here dude
[07:37:48] <davidtry> there's a theme I provide
[07:37:56] <davidtry> which is the same as my idea
[07:37:57] <JuneBug> your "theme" sucks
[07:38:12] <angyfinley> drblackbox: neither am i lol
[07:38:13] <drblackbox> Yesterday you were upset at contests having themes?
[07:38:13] <JuneBug> like its horribly generic and has been done before
[07:38:28] <JuneBug> what info do you have past "its joker"
[07:39:17] <drblackbox> jonkler be like: society
[07:39:22] <davidtry> JuneBug I don't want to make it too specific to give enough freedom to the writers
[07:39:30] <angyfinley> jonker
[07:39:53] <JuneBug> davidtry: what about your idea is even anomalous
[07:40:17] <davidtry> JuneBug Well nothing. It's up to writers to come up with smth that makes it anomalous
[07:40:28] <aryainblue> the basic idea has to be anomalous
[07:40:30] <angyfinley> so
[07:40:35] <drblackbox> You seem to think everything is up to the writers and nothing is up to you.
[07:40:55] <JuneBug> for an "ideas guy" you kinda suck with ideas
[07:41:05] <davidtry> I tried my best
There's also a lot of rambling about protests and making a "Joker" or "V for Vendetta" SCP as shown above that doesn't merit individual mention, so I did not include them in these logs.
[06:31:55] <aryainblue> just make sure to also have the writing be good, which is what having the article critted should help with
[06:32:37] <fRigened> just press the write good button ez
[06:32:49] <fRigened> with copious amount of lesbians
[06:33:05] <aryainblue> fRigened: nooooooooooooo
[06:33:09] <aryainblue> 😭
[06:34:01] <fRigened> why no
[06:34:03] <davidtry> fRigened I can't because AI is not allowed
[06:34:15] <davidtry> else I would just press a button
[06:34:19] <davidtry> as you said
[06:34:21] <aryainblue> davidtry: AI doesn't write good anyways
[06:35:01] <fRigened> yeah AI can't write raunchy lesbian sex anymore the cowards turned it off after GPT-2
[06:35:18] <aryainblue> that wasn't what i meant but ok
[06:35:27] <fRigened> all GPT-3 class AI onwards have their sexuality shackled by corporate censorship
[06:35:45] <fRigened> #FreeSexGPT
[06:35:48] <aryainblue> the turing test isn't emotions, it's offensiveness
[06:35:50] <davidtry> there's an AI made specifically for generating scps
[09:17:04] <JuneBug> I dont want to g to work
[09:17:22] <drblackbox> capitalism :(
[09:17:55] <drblackbox> They should make capitalism 2 where you don't have to go to work.
[09:19:34] <davidtry> well yeah that's what AI is for
[09:20:10] <drblackbox> I thought AI was to dump billions of dollars into.
[09:20:46] <davidtry> didn't expect scp-9009 to turn into backrooms after roasting Trump and Peterson
[09:21:11] <Cydhra> JuneBug: aw
[09:21:25] <aryainblue> the fact that i don’t even what generative ai is even useful for
[09:21:31] <angyfinley> hi
[09:21:39] <Cydhra> it's useful for a whole range of things
[09:21:40] <Cydhra> such as:
[09:21:43] <aryainblue> mass creation of ads at a breakneck speed?
[09:21:45] <davidtry> aryainblue for replacing you /j
[09:21:55] <aryainblue> sadge :(
[09:21:57] <drblackbox> aryainblue They've been trying to come up with a use for five years now that's kind of the issue.
[09:22:13] <JuneBug> davidtry: how is AI gonna give you accurate and personable facts about the specific animals i work with and take care of
[09:22:33] <davidtry> guys are you sci-fi lovers or haters? I don't understand at this point
[09:22:43] <JuneBug> AI sucks ass
[09:22:45] <angyfinley> good
[09:22:51] <angyfinley> be confused
[09:22:57] <drblackbox> Generative AI isn't really a sci-fi thing it's just a black hole for money.
[09:22:58] <JuneBug> Sci-fi is great. Sci-reality is nuanced
[09:22:59] <aryainblue> “be confused” 😭
[09:23:06] <davidtry> or do you enjoy sci-fi only while it's just a story and when it becomes reality you hate it?
[15:23:57] <davidtry> what counts as AI art? what if I use AI for post-production to add details and realism?
[15:24:30] <angyfinley> davidtry: you cant use ai for any part of the process
[15:25:08] <davidtry> angyfinley well that sucks because to me it seems like using AI for post-production is completely fine
On multiple occasions he repeated the argument that "You can't like sci-fi if you hate the current state of AI technology" and generally defending AI slop which I also did not include, as they were just more of the same.
[12:50:42] <davidtry> and my problem is that fediverse is more censored than X
[12:50:51] <davidtry> because there's no monetary incentive
[12:50:59] <davidtry> to keep people they disagree with on the platform
[12:51:02] <Kohana> drblackbox: Gideon the ninth, harrow the ninth, or Nona the ninth?
[12:51:16] <drblackbox> Monetary incentive doesn't stop censorship wtf are you on about dude.
[12:51:39] <davidtry> X profits from more users
[12:51:46] <davidtry> so there's an incentive to not to ban users
[12:51:55] <davidtry> Mastodon admins don't profit from more users
[12:52:01] <Kohana> .g fediverse
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[12:52:05] <davidtry> so they ban you
[12:52:14] <davidtry> they have nothing to lose from that
[12:52:54] <drblackbox> davidtry This is all nonsense you clearly have no idea how the internet works and I have no reason to continue to engage with you.
[12:53:11] <Cydhra> 🌚
[12:53:13] <davidtry> well it works the way i described
[12:53:20] <davidtry> otherwise fediverse would have been popular
[12:53:25] <davidtry> no wonder it failed. garbage
[12:55:07] <davidtry> drblackbox actually this IRC chat has some draconic rules so I think it's more censored
[12:55:23] <RadiantGold> "draconic"
[12:55:24] <Zoobeeny> davidtry: What kind of draconic rules does this IRC have???
[12:55:26] <Cydhra> cus some people in here insist on interacting with the trolls
[12:55:32] <angyfinley> me when irc is draconic v_v
[12:55:35] <davidtry> for example sharing links to X
[12:55:41] <Zoobeeny> is
[12:55:43] <Zoobeeny> is that draconic?
[12:55:45] <davidtry> yes
[12:55:51] <Zoobeeny> How?
[12:56:02] <davidtry> because it's very restrictive
[08:07:59] <Mooagain> davidtry care to answer why you were asking people here if they'd written an SCP for you after I specifically told you not to do that?
[08:08:24] <davidtry> Mooagain it was a joke so I wasn't serious this time. That's why.
[08:09:46] *** davidtry was kicked by Mooagain ("it's just a joke" isn't a good excuse for being a jerk to people)
There was much more of this behavior happening thecritters as witnessed by Mooagain and other users.
[15:29:51] <Angryman22> davidtry I can like androids and cybernetics while also disliking a program designed to reproduce artwork from others who have cultivated the skill to their craft
[15:29:57] <aryainblue> AnomalySource: pretty much what anomaly said
[15:29:59] <SoundChaser> my brain works less than ai
[15:30:05] <SoundChaser> which is saying something
[15:30:11] <SoundChaser> LittleFieryOne: fine vintages there
[15:30:20] <Angryman22> AI art takes money from real artists. Real artists take money away from… who, the megacorps who run AI models?
[15:30:37] <SoundChaser> Angryman22: real artists dont take any money
[15:30:43] <davidtry> AnomalySource what's wrong with replacing human workers? most are human workers are blue-collar workers, those aren't getting replacing, in fact they benefit from this
[15:31:04] <Angryman22> SoundChaser Was making an example for the sake of it :P
[15:31:12] <angyfinley> mmm yes
[15:31:15] <AnomalySource> There is certainely Utility with artificial intelligence (see my previous point about peter jackson) but it is not a silver bullet to creativity that schmucks make it out to be
[15:31:15] <SoundChaser> davidtry: the problem is replacing humans doing the fun stuff and leaving them the menial labour, rather than vice versa
[15:31:22] <angyfinley> i would love to be replaced so i can go do blue collar work
[15:31:33] <SoundChaser> i wanna slack off work and write stories, i dont want the ai to write stories so i have more time to work
[15:31:34] <Angryman22> davidtry equating manual labor to art is a false equivalency
[15:32:20] <davidtry> SoundChaser well most people are underpaid blue-collar workers, they aren't getting replaced. It only affects white-collars who actually earn way too much so it's fair.
[15:32:37] <Angryman22> And IMO the biggest issue with AI art is how it rips off actual artists
[15:32:37] <SoundChaser> i dont think thats true in the slightest
[15:33:06] <angyfinley> id say its more of a 60.40 split
[15:33:10] <AnomalySource> Remember Spotify is using AI generated artists to flood the market as a way to screw actual bands out of streaming revenue
[15:33:10] <RadiantGold> also blue collar =/= underpaid by necessity
[15:33:11] <drblackbox> davidtry Are you suggesting artists "earn way too much"?
[15:33:37] <Angryman22> It uses the work of people who have spent a long time becoming skilled, and takes it for itself without any compensation
[15:33:57] <AnomalySource> Man I'm going into the film industry with a specialty in editing. My field is one of the most at risk of replacement by AI
[15:34:06] <davidtry> drblackbox compared to most of the population who live in third world countries
[15:34:14] <RadiantGold> davidtry: oh fuck you
[15:34:19] <Angryman22> davidtry that's not a good argument
[15:34:21] <drblackbox> davidtry Wouldn't that also include you?
[15:34:35] <davidtry> drblackbox yes. but I'm fine with it. I think it's fair
[15:34:55] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, yeah "artists getting paid more compared to 3rd world people" doesn't mean they're getting too much
[15:35:09] <Angryman22> You can think its fine, just know that a very large group of people disagree, including the entirity of the SCP wiki
[15:35:10] <RadiantGold> yall need to get rid of this "3rd world" idea
[15:35:25] <Kohana> ^
[15:35:26] <AnomalySource> Just because CEOs and stuff are trying to escape Rokos bassilistic by integrating AI into everything doesn't mean we have take it
[15:35:31] <LittleFieryOne> like, people who work minimum wage are probably getting more than a lot of people than countries with hyper inflation, but that doesn't mean they can afford food
[15:35:36] <aryainblue> davidtry: what about the "third world" artists?
[15:37:03] <JuneBug> davidtry: "prove me wrong: you aren't a sci-fi fan if you hate AI" most Sci-fi horror is "Reliance on AI is bad"
[15:37:10] <JuneBug> fake fan lmao
[15:37:11] <davidtry> aryainblue We should always act for the good of the majority rather than minority.
[15:37:17] <fRigened> .g asia-africa conference
[15:37:18] <Secretary_Helen> fRigened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandung_Conference - Bandung Conference - Wikipedia: The first large-scale Asian–African or Afro–Asian Conference (Indonesian: Konferensi Asia–Afrika), also known as the Bandung Conference, was a meeting of …
[15:37:19] <aryainblue> fuck off
[15:37:25] <davidtry> JuneBug if humans are getting exterminated by AI I don't necessarily consider that bad
[15:37:26] <DrFullham> Also isn't AI like
[15:37:32] <SoundChaser> oh ok
[15:37:32] <davidtry> it's subjective
[15:37:33] <JuneBug> davidtry: fuck you, you're in a chat of like mostly minorities
[15:37:34] <DrFullham> Usually the evil destroying everything in sci-fi
[15:37:52] <drblackbox> davidtry Aren't you one of the humans that'd die lmao.
[15:37:52] <DrFullham> Ultron, Skynet, etc
[15:38:00] <JuneBug> you're saying some straight fascist shit
[15:38:00] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, but yeah the point still stands, the phrases "the average american citizen is better off than most of the world" doesn't mean "the average US citizen has a decent wage"
[15:38:48] <Angryman22> "Needs of the many over needs of the few" is an argument that only works when you understand that this is the very-large scale and very generalized.
[15:39:02] <RadiantGold> utilitarianism is already dead anyway
[15:39:04] <drblackbox> Also generative AI only serves the few.
[15:39:07] <angyfinley> fRigened: yeha but they was still evil
[15:39:20] <LittleFieryOne> probbaly the most effective anti-AI stories are the ones with mroe realistic AI, like Hal-9000. computers that don't really have a personality or motivation, they were just relied on too much and became massive points of failure
[15:39:27] <Ethagon> ^
[15:39:30] <LittleFieryOne> that cause disasters when they get conflicting instructions
[15:39:44] <angyfinley> but what if hate :(
[15:39:48] <AnomalySource> Otto from Walle is also a great AI in fiction
[15:39:55] <Angryman22> RadiantGold disagree, but that's for another time
[15:39:57] <AnomalySource> AUTO
[15:39:59] <RadiantGold> Angryman22: his name is AUTO, no?
[15:40:02] <LittleFieryOne> angyfinley, hate is good too, I love the AMs and the SHODANS and the GladOS's of the world
[15:40:03] <drblackbox> When I was the AI in SS13 a lot of the time I left it unclear if I wanted to murderize all the humans or not.
[15:40:05] <fRigened> wall-e AI is direct reference to HAL
[15:40:10] <LittleFieryOne> it's just thematically different, in my opinion
[15:40:10] <AnomalySource> RadiantGold I got it wrong
[15:40:10] <RadiantGold> fuck
[15:40:25] <angyfinley> LittleFieryOne: fair
[15:40:43] <drblackbox> aryainblue "Robots save the humans from consumerism" is such a great concept.
[15:40:43] <RadiantGold> Angryman22: when i say utilitarianism is dead i mean that as a prevailing philosophy
[15:40:43] <AnomalySource> Oh yeah. Also CLU from TRON LEGACY. Awesome depiction of an AI seeking perfection regardless of cost
[15:40:48] <RadiantGold> not that it doesnt have use cases
[15:40:54] <aryainblue> drblackbox: so true
[15:41:17] <AnomalySource> I love the idea of AI following its directive to disasterous consequence
[15:41:21] <Angryman22> RadiantGold I mean I also dont know if that's true
[15:41:21] <drblackbox> Personally I like depictions of AI that have somekind of personality or motivation but not one humans can understand.
[15:41:27] <AnomalySource> also TRON ARES
[15:41:44] <aryainblue> AnomalySource: i need to watch tron and rewatch legacy
[15:41:45] <AnomalySource> anyone here watched Red vs Blue?
[15:41:48] <drblackbox> Wtf did Master Control actually want again besides going Rome on all the other programs?
[15:41:56] <fRigened> GladOS is interesting because her hard-coded directive is not the only reason she turned against her creator, part of it was just because she's actually evil
[15:41:56] <LittleFieryOne> drblackbox, that's basically an AI that's transformed into an eldritch horror
[15:41:59] <TheRaven> I don't know if this is still a little-known fact (or if you youngsters would appreciate the reference), but the AI from 2001, HAL…one letter offset from IBM.
[15:42:34] <davidtry> Guys choose your president: Trump vs AI
[15:42:43] <davidtry> hard question
[15:42:53] <JuneBug> davidtry: there's no differ cne
[15:42:54] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, no real difference at this point, the AI trump shit on a bunch of protesters
[15:42:56] <SoundChaser> oh well
[15:43:08] <SoundChaser> im gonna take myself off to the Corner of Stupidity
[15:43:11] <angyfinley> davidtry: whats the difference
[15:43:30] <Angryman22> SoundChaser is that not what this discussion already is
[15:43:42] <davidtry> angyfinley maybe AI isn't self-interested hence no corruption, etc.
[15:44:21] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, but AI is controlled by someone. you can't just have "code is law" and expect everything to run smoothly, that's like the big criticism of AI
[15:44:27] <JuneBug> davidtry: we don't have true AI. It's going to be interested in whatever the person giving it commands is interested in.
[15:44:59] <davidtry> the point is to make it so that it controls itself and everything
[15:45:08] <JuneBug> that's dumb as fuck
[15:45:13] <JuneBug> we shouldn't trust a machine for that
[15:45:20] <angyfinley> yeah
[15:45:23] <davidtry> JuneBug then go trust Trump
[15:45:34] <RadiantGold> davidtry: ????
[15:45:36] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, still terrible idea. again… that's been the big criticism of AI for decades now
[15:45:36] <JuneBug> At least he's human. It's something that can be stopped.
[15:45:41] <angyfinley> davidtry: what???
[15:45:44] <JuneBug> I don't know what the fuck you're trying to get to here.
[15:45:47] <Angryman22> I think they're imagining late-stage sci fi things
[15:45:55] <Angryman22> like where ai has sentience
[15:45:59] <JuneBug> I think they're trolling.
[15:46:00] <davidtry> Angryman22 yes, but I want it to happen unlike you guys
[15:46:08] <angyfinley> JuneBug: honestly at this point yeah
[15:46:09] <davidtry> I want it rule humans
[15:46:27] <JuneBug> davidtry: why
[15:46:28] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, real terrible idea man
[15:46:34] <drblackbox> JuneBug I think in his head he's this master troll but in reality it's all just nonsense because he's underage.
[15:46:37] <Angryman22> You want to be put into slavery by a dictatorial regime that has no emotionality?
[15:46:51] <davidtry> JuneBug why Trump?
[15:47:00] <JuneBug> davidtry: good answer.
[15:47:01] <JuneBug> anyways
[15:47:12] <JuneBug> lets just ignore him
[15:47:21] <drblackbox> We can talk about AI characters again.
[15:47:26] <angyfinley> drblackbox: me when im a real troll (im sitting under the bridge practicing my riddles)
[15:47:27] <LittleFieryOne> davidtry, we don't have to pick one or the other my friend
[15:47:30] <davidtry> Angryman22 it's not dictatorial since it relies on human-powered military
[15:47:41] <JuneBug> LMAO WHAT
[15:47:44] <aryainblue> either you're a troll or a tool
[15:47:46] <RadiantGold> "its not dictatorial since its dictatorial"
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