Moenennbys

Summary:

Starts pointless and distressing argument, doesn't listen to requests from users to stop

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Moenennbys

TyGently 19 May 2016 06:07

Tonight, right around midnight GMT-5 and apropos of nothing, Moennenbys brought up an argument from a previous incident in which they had no part with GreenWolf, who repeatedly expressed obvious discomfort.

No ops were notified during the conversation, only after. Several times, Moennenbys disregarded or belittled GreenWolf's discomfort in a conversation that Moennenbys started without any prompt. Several users requested that the Moennenbys stop, but they did not.

Several ops did intervene after the conversation had ended (by GreenWolf leaving the chat).

Afterwards, Moennenbys defended themselves by saying they were sleep deprived at the time. In my opinion, being knowingly impaired of judgement or social reasoning means you should not insert yourself into situations where you can harm others, especially when you specifically and intentionally create these situations, and, if you do hurt others, you should be held accountable for such.

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23:48 <Moensomnia> Woah
23:48 — GreenWolf twiddles thumbs
23:48 <GreenWolf> so, how about those skips
23:49 <Moensomnia> Reading over the O5 command logs
23:49 <Moensomnia> (Please don't kick me for typing this)
23:49 <BlackWing> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p320x320/13233070_1032481120162003_2498686399149394523_n.jpg?oh=6f8d28b8394ca9c5e4d1845991f4a967&oe=57D85295
23:49 <Moensomnia> Gringo is considered derogatory?
23:49 <GreenWolf> :/
23:50 <GreenWolf> what part of "racial slur that people use when they beat the shit out of you" is not understood, moen
23:50 <Moensomnia> I always considered it a playful thong you call your american friends
23:51 <BlackWing> It's something only Latinos/Hispanics call white people
23:51 <BlackWing> I don't really know what it means outside of that context
23:51 <Moensomnia> Green (card to) go (to america)
23:51 <Moensomnia> That's where it came from
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23:52 <TheRaven> It's like cracker, supposed to be insulting but white people are immune to generalized racial slurs
23:52 <GreenWolf> It's a lot worse than cracker
23:52 <Moensomnia> cracker is a legitimate term
23:52 <GreenWolf> No one ever pummeled the shit out of someone while calling them a cracker
23:52 <Moensomnia> Southern Cracker culture?
23:52 <BlackWing> GreenWolf: Weeeeelllllllll
23:52 <Solo> boy what the fuck did i walk in it
23:52 <Solo> on
23:52 <Moensomnia> Really?
23:53 <shaggydredlocks> There goes my trip to Cracker Barrel…
23:53 <Moensomnia> That sounds ridiculous
23:53 <Moensomnia> Someone getting beaten up over that
23:54 <BlackWing> As stated before: White people don't really take it as offensive
23:54 <Moensomnia> From my experience, hispanics living in their native country use it towards hispanics who have moved to the US
23:54 <GreenWolf> And again
23:54 <GreenWolf> I am telling you
23:54 <GreenWolf> in my experience
23:54 <GreenWolf> my very /painful/ experience
23:54 <BlackWing> Because, outside of a few minor examples a century ago, white people as a whole haven't really been persecuted to hell and back like other skin colors
23:54 <GreenWolf> that I really didn't want to have to relive again tonight, thanks
23:55 <GreenWolf> It's what people call you when they're smashing your face into a wall and kicking you in the ribs
23:55 <Moensomnia> I just have a difficult time understanding how words get to people
23:55 <Kalinin> This seems like absolutely pointless shit-stirring. Why anyone would dredge up O5 stuff is beyond me. It would be great if folks could cut that the hell out.
23:56 <BlackWing> Moensomnia: Then you've lucked out in not having been in that environment. Let it go.
23:56 <Solo> moensomnia because you have never been in the position of systemic oppresion that they have
23:56 <Moensomnia> Solo I'm an immogrant
23:56 <GreenWolf> It's not even systematic oppression
23:56 <GreenWolf> just racially targeted violence in general
23:57 <Moensomnia> I've been called all sorts of xenophobic, homophobic, and personal slurs and insults
23:57 <Moensomnia> But they've never bothered me
23:57 <GreenWolf> Moensomnia: Have you ever been physically attacked over your race
23:57 <Moensomnia> Yes
23:57 <Moensomnia> I have
23:58 <Moensomnia> Because someone thought I was a drug dealer who stole their cocaine
23:58 <Moensomnia> Because I looked shifty
23:58 <Moensomnia> Because I looked dirty
23:58 <BlackWing> ANYWAY
23:59 <GreenWolf> Right, how about having 4 people who all outweigh you by about a hundred pounds gang up on you and pummel you
23:59 <Moensomnia> I guess the difference was that I beat them?
23:59 <Solo> yeah that might fucking do it
23:59 <BlackWing> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p160x160/13244900_1032481106828671_8348224600526520645_n.jpg?oh=356040b64404c737beed4a49c2a3df22&oe=579EE08C
23:59 <GreenWolf> …
00:00 ← GreenWolf left (flow.evitcejd|eht#flow.evitcejd|eht): fuck you
00:00 <Moensomnia> What did I do?
00:00 <qptain_Nemo> BlackWing: did you mean to link that small picture?
00:00 <BlackWing> Not drop the subject?
00:00 <Solo> You're sort of being a huge insensitive dick my dude
00:00 <BlackWing> qptain_Nemo: Wasn't supposed to be a small picture
00:00 <Moensomnia> Was I?
00:00 <Moensomnia> I apologize
00:00 <Solo> yes
00:00 <•Silber> Let's… not bring up O5 threads in chat out of nowhere.
00:00 <qptain_Nemo> BlackWing: is that a Geralt cosplay or something?
00:00 <BlackWing> qptain_Nemo: Aye
00:00 <BlackWing> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13245436_1032480756828706_6625638932286389463_n.jpg?oh=9ac8c992f47bc2a0aad2eae5ef07063a&oe=57DE342E
00:00 <Moensomnia> Did I miss a warning or request to drop the subject?
00:01 <BlackWing> Severa;
00:01 <BlackWing> Several
00:01 <Moensomnia> My apologies
00:01 <qptain_Nemo> BlackWing: pretty neat, any chance of the big version of the previous pic?
00:01 — Metaphysician yawns.
00:01 <Moensomnia> I haven't been able to sleep
00:02 <Solo> hey anyone gotta sec to check a draft for me
00:02 <Moensomnia> Is there anyone here who really likes a food made from something they hate?
00:02 <BlackWing> qptain_Nemo: Trying to find the regular Facebook post and not just the open image
00:02 <Solo> moensomnia anything made with eggs
00:02 <Hexi> hamburgers
00:02 <Hexi> i hate onions
00:02 <Hexi> but you cant mkae
00:02 <Solo> hexi do you hate cows
00:02 <shaggydredlocks> Moensomnia: People.
00:02 <Hexi> hamburgers without onions
00:02 <BlackWing> qptain_Nemo: So, here's the cosplayers album https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1032480606828721.1073741832.887461611330622&type=3
00:02 <Solo> hexi you absolutely can make burgers without onions
00:02 <Moensomnia> Cuz I recently discovered ben and Jerry's strawberry cheesecake ice cream
00:03 <•Decibelle> holy hell
00:03 <Hexi> a good patty uses onion powder
00:03 <BlackWing> Hexi: Sure you can. It's called "Hamburger meat in a tube"
00:03 <Moensomnia> And It was heaven
00:03 <Metaphysician> That sounds orgasmic.
00:03 <Hexi> and has sliced onion on top
00:03 <qptain_Nemo> BlackWing: cheers!
00:03 <•Decibelle> hey guys, next time a conversation is going south
00:03 <•Decibelle> ping an operator
00:03 <BlackWing> But the Operator kills people
00:03 <Solo> decibelle noted
00:03 — Hexi insists on having red onion on her hamburger
00:03 — Hexi hates onions
00:03 <Moensomnia> Hexi breaded burger patty with sauteèd onions and swiss cheese
00:03 <BlackWing> I don't want that on my head
00:03 <•Decibelle> no, the Operator just controls people and influences their action
00:04 <•Silber> eurgh
00:04 <•Silber> red onion on hamburger
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00:04 <Solo> hexi i think the real story here is that you don't actually hate onions
00:04 <BlackWing> Decibelle: He killed Tim
00:04 <Hexi> oh man i lothes onions
00:04 ⇐ MacLeod quit (~MacLeod@7181DAC0:8F44620D:34D4B689:IP) Ping timeout: 181 seconds
00:04 <BlackWing> I think
00:04 <BlackWing> been a while since I've watched anything connected to Marble Hornets
00:04 <Moensomnia> Decibelle again, sorry about that.
00:04 <•Silber> Hexi: when someone puts sliced onion on my hamburger, all I can taste when I bite into it is onions
00:04 ⇐ shaggydredlocks quit (ten.tsacmoc.ap.1dsh.503020B3-CRInys|derdyggahs#ten.tsacmoc.ap.1dsh.503020B3-CRInys|derdyggahs) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
00:04 <•Decibelle> nah, the one thing about the Operator was that he never killed someone
00:04 <Metaphysician> "no, the Operator just controls people and influences their action " Wonder if that was intended to sound Orwellian ;p
00:05 <•Decibelle> people influenced by him could go off the deep end and kill someone but that was it
00:05 <Solo> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/drsolorum first tab if anyone wouldn't mind
00:05 <Metaphysician> Oh, I assumed you meant chat ops…
00:06 <•Decibelle> i didnt wanna use the ping word that you used
00:06 <•Decibelle> but yes
00:06 <Moensomnia> .tell GreenWolf I apologize for my inadvertant offensive and insensitive conversation. I did not intend to hurt your feelings in anyway.
00:06 <•jarvis> Moensomnia: Consider it done.
00:06 <•Decibelle> if something goes south just ping us please
00:06 <•Decibelle> and please just
00:06 — BlackWing watches for geese
00:06 — Hexi pings Decibelle
00:06 <•Decibelle> fucking know better than to bring up stuff from 05
00:06 — Hexi pushes a cardboard box up to Decibelle
00:06 <•Decibelle> at least, if the user in question is right here in the channel
00:07 <Moensomnia> I'm not exactly in the clearest state of mind
00:07 <Moensomnia> I haven't slept in,
00:07 <BlackWing> Then you shouldn't IRC
00:07 <Moensomnia> 2 days?
00:07 <•Decibelle> probably think before doing that kind of thing. i wouldnt be so harsh about this if this was a one-time thing
00:07 <Moensomnia> I don't have anything else to do when I can't sleep
00:07 <•Decibelle> if youre so curious about an 05 thing just pm the user, at the least
00:08 <•Decibelle> anyway, theres my warning, youre all informed, i hope
00:08 <•Decibelle> carry on with uh, hamburger stuff
00:08 <•Silber> Well, especially then. Gossiping about people who aren't here isn't much better.
00:08 <•TyGently> It should also be noted that by the guidelines, you should not be trolling or harassing people. If a discussion makes someone uncomfortable and they ask you to stop, the correct response is not to question why they find it uncomfortable and press the issue. The correct response is to show some respect and stop.
00:08 <Moensomnia> Chicken Burgers, Nice or dice?
00:08 <•Silber> I mean, I won't turn one down.
00:09 <Moensomnia> I've never had one
00:09 <BlackWing> Depends on how long you cook the chicken
00:09 <BlackWing> No one wants a dry chicken
00:09 <•Silber> But I prefer a non-burger-style chicken sandwich in that case.
00:10 <Moensomnia> I'm going to say that I wasn't aware I was disconforting them, and that I wasn't purposefully trying to elicit a reaction.
00:10 <BlackWing> The only real burger you can get out of a bird is turkey
00:10 <Moensomnia> And resume hamburger talk
00:10 <Solo> blackwing ostrich
00:10 <Moensomnia> Mushrooms?
00:10 <BlackWing> Solo: Had forgotten that was a thing
00:10 <BlackWing> And that one can get on somewhere in New York, I belive
00:10 <BlackWing> Or that was bison.
00:10 <BlackWing> I know it's something
00:11 <Moensomnia> Oh, has anyone here had sausage burgers?
00:11 <BlackWing> I've hat brat burgers
00:11 <Solo> blackwing i have had both ostrich and bison in ny
00:11 <BlackWing> Probably the same place
00:11 <Moensomnia> 3 brats with onions, cheese, tomato, bacon, and lettuce?
00:11 <BlackWing> Saw it on Travel Channel awhile back
00:11 <BlackWing> Fuck tomato and lettuce
00:11 <Solo> Alrighty if no one is interested in doing some crit I should probably get to sleep
00:12 <Solo> last final of the semester tomorrw\ow
00:12 <•Decibelle> night solo
00:12 <•Decibelle> good luck!
00:12 <Solo> Night everybody! And thanks!
00:12 <BlackWing> Answer D for everything
00:12 <Moensomnia> Chrostmas tree it
00:12 ⇐ Kalinin and Solo quit
00:12 <BlackWing> I'm gonna go too. Work in 13 hours.
00:12 — BlackWing jumps out of the window
00:13 ⇐ BlackWing quit (ksaM.tsoH|gniWkcalB#ksaM.tsoH|gniWkcalB) Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]
00:13 <Moensomnia> What!?
00:13 <Moensomnia> Gunther nooooo
00:13 <•Decibelle> http://www.lasertimepodcast.com/2016/05/17/millennium-actress-the-anime-classic-is-now-free-on-youtube/
00:13 → •Silberescher (opped) joined
00:13 <•TyGently> Moensomnia: GW was very clear that this brought up a lot of bad stuff, both tonight and in the logs you brought up. If you're in such a state where you can't tell, you should probably not be in chat where you can do things you might regret.
00:14 ⇐ Silber quit • Silberescher → •Silber
00:14 <Moensomnia> I'll try and just shut up
00:14 ⇐ •salvagebar quit (~ekahsklim.ym.evol.syob.eht.lla|abegavlas#ekahsklim.ym.evol.syob.eht.lla|abegavlas) Quit: Bye
00:14 <Moensomnia> Just hapily go along talking about food

Re: Moenennbys

Decibelles 19 May 2016 06:31

I officially warned Moen in a PM, to make it very clear this behavior is not acceptable.

Re: Moenennbys

Taffeta 28 Feb 2017 01:04

Hooooooooooo boy.

A bunch of shit in 19 about hate speech and free speech, as below:

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10:26 AM <Moenennbys> Other people aren't proud of us
10:26 AM <WestyDude> Flammable_Sam: :/
10:26 AM <Sterbai> DrBleep it is
10:26 AM <WestyDude> Nice one
10:26 AM <Moenennbys> We can have internal pride
10:26 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> glorpman: yeah, everyone should have the right to straight marriage
10:26 AM <&Quikngruvn> Glorp, that's idealistic, but doesn't actually happen in practice.
10:26 AM <Moenennbys> But people go overboard
10:26 AM <ghostpage> Moenennbys, if you don't like pride parades, don't go to them? Let the rest of us have our fun
10:26 AM <DrBleep> Dolphinslugchugger, probably not the best time to be trolling mate
10:27 AM <Moenennbys> I don't
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> i don't like any kind of parade
10:27 AM <Moenennbys> I'm just saying an opinion
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> they're too loud and too full of walking
10:27 AM <WestyDude> I don't like any type of parade either
10:27 AM <WestyDude> Don't see the appeal in them
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> what if we had a parade of whispering and sitting in chairs
10:27 AM <Flammable_Sam> I don't think that everyone should have the right to a religious marriage, in that we'd be forcing the church to go against their teachings, but I definitely support legal marriages for all
10:27 AM <Levi> SpookyBee i'd attend that
10:27 AM <Glorpman> Talking about parades, why are there so many?
10:27 AM <WestyDude> Cause people find enjoyment int hem, Glorpman
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> or even better
10:27 AM <DrBleep> Hey guys, you know what is better than a parade? A hive full of James Bonds acting like Bees! !SCP-2491
10:27 AM <%jarvis> drbleep: SCP-2491: The Bee Who Loved Me (written 11 days ago by DrBleep; rating: +70) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2491
10:27 AM <Moenennbys> My catholic church does gay marriages
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> not talking at all and lying in beds
10:27 AM <Glorpman> WestyDude: Ahhh, alright
10:27 AM <Flammable_Sam> what? i'm reading that RN
10:27 AM <SpookyBee> the most comfortable, sleepy parade
10:28 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: that assumes that religion is heterogeneous
10:28 AM — DrBleep shameless promobile, away
10:28 AM <Flammable_Sam> Moenennbys i know it's generalising, sorry, but eh, look at the headlines around the vote
10:28 AM <Lily> Glorpman: if you mean pride parades, bc up till recently lgbtq people couldn't really exist in public without major backlash, and even now it is still hard
10:28 AM <Levi> anyone wanna look at a draft?
10:28 AM <Glorpman> Lily, no, I meant all parades
10:28 AM <WestyDude> You know what guys, I'm gonna say something here…….
10:28 AM <Flammable_Sam> i'm referring to the kind of neo-fascists who threaten to burn themselves to death if gay marriage is legalised
10:28 AM <Lily> Ah
10:28 AM <Sterbai> Hey, you know what's better than a parade? Giving some feedback on a wip draft called the Stilt Siren
10:28 AM <Sterbai> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/sterbai
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10:28 AM <Glorpman> Lily, There are a fuckton of them.
10:28 AM <SpookyBee> in Massachusetts, nobody actually gives a fuck about your gender or sexuality
10:28 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: i mean
10:29 AM <JackIke> [X] gon' give it to ya'
10:29 AM <Moenennbys> Well I get that
10:29 AM <Moenennbys> But
10:29 AM <WestyDude> I don't care if your Gay, straight, asexual, male, female, whatever. That's not what makes a person
10:29 AM <Moenennbys> Why do pride parades have to be overly flashy
10:29 AM <SpookyBee> As long as you can drive 40MPH over the speed limit people like you
10:29 AM <ghostpage> Flammable_Sam, it'd be good if they burned alive imo but
10:29 AM <SpookyBee> anything less and you're an asshole
10:29 AM ⇐ Scottisms quit (ten.nozirev.soif.avlfrn.EEF40F12-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.nozirev.soif.avlfrn.EEF40F12-CRInys|tibbiM) Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
10:29 AM — DrBleep can't drive
10:29 AM <Flammable_Sam> well no, it'd be absolutely terrible since a human has burned themselves to death
10:29 AM <ghostpage> But a shitty human
10:29 AM <SpookyBee> looks like ur an asshole then
10:29 AM <ghostpage> no great loss
10:29 AM <Lily> Moenennbys: bc we never could at all in the past
10:29 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: they're willing to die for their belief, let them
10:29 AM <Flammable_Sam> they can believe what they want as long as they don't actively harm others AFAIC
10:29 AM <Moenennbys> Your sexuality shouldn't be the way you start a conversation
10:30 AM <Flammable_Sam> no, that's a terrible way of thinking
10:30 AM — JackIke scratches his head
10:30 AM <Glorpman> Lily, in NYC alone there are alot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Parades_in_New_York_City
10:30 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Moenennbys: i mean when dudes try to hit on me
10:30 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> thats exactly how i start the conversation
10:30 AM <ghostpage> Moenennbys, because some of us hold it dearly and just because you don't doesn't mean we all don't
10:30 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> "im gay"
10:30 AM <Flammable_Sam> if I applied that logic to Islamic fundamentalists I know I'd get a shitstorm
10:30 AM <SpookyBee> and now, I'm back to playing KOTOR
10:30 AM <JackIke> Can I ask for the context behind this conversation
10:30 AM <SpookyBee> ping me if anybody needs hugs or kisses
10:30 AM <Flammable_Sam> stress on >fundamentalists< before a shitstorm /does/ happen
10:30 AM <Levi> SpookyBee that's a good game
10:30 AM <DrBleep> Jackike, flee
10:30 AM — Sterbai screams
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10:30 AM <Moenennbys> JackIke: gay drawing
10:30 AM <DrBleep> Flee while you can
10:30 AM <ghostpage> Flammable_Sam, homophobes can burn as far as i care lmao
10:30 AM — WestyDude escapes the madness
10:30 AM <Glorpman> Hey Scottisms
10:30 AM <Flammable_Sam> no, we live in a secular society where you can believe what you want
10:31 AM <Flammable_Sam> as long as he isn't harming people
10:31 AM <Flammable_Sam> he can say and do what he wants to
10:31 AM <WestyDude> But yea, I want to talk about something else
10:31 AM <ghostpage> Homophobia harms people
10:31 AM <JackIke> Moenennbys: It went from a gay drawing to burning people alive?
10:31 AM <Lily> Flammable_Sam: yeah if someone says 'I'll set myself on fire if gay people get rights' surely that is more reason for gay rights
10:31 AM <BlackWing> World of Final Fantasy
10:31 AM <JackIke> That sounds like one hell of a train of thought
10:31 AM <Scottisms> hello, I apologize if any of my comments were rude, but let's change the subject
10:31 AM <WestyDude> BlackWing: Can you get any more nerdier. :3
10:31 AM <Moenennbys> Yes
10:31 AM <Flammable_Sam> look, forcing someone to not give their opinion is censorship
10:31 AM <Sterbai> Can we just talk about skips again
10:31 AM <Moenennbys> I dated a homophobic guy once
10:31 AM <Flammable_Sam> free speech is only free when /everyone/ can say what they want to
10:31 AM <Levi> anyone wanna look at a draft?
10:32 AM <WestyDude> Yea, talk about skips, that's a good idea
10:32 AM <Flammable_Sam> yes, let's
10:32 AM <WestyDude> How about !SCP-1009?
10:32 AM <%jarvis> westydude: SCP-1009: The Beautiful World (written 5 years ago by Sophia Light; rating: +100) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1009
10:32 AM <BlackWing> WestyDude: Super Sentai vs Kamen Rider
10:32 AM <WestyDude> That's a pretty cool skip
10:32 AM <Levi> !SCP-2053
10:32 AM <Sterbai> Stilt Siren boios
10:32 AM <%jarvis> levi: SCP-2053: Paternal Rubik's Cube (written 2 years ago by dierubikdie; rating: +290) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2053
10:32 AM <Sterbai> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/sterbai
10:32 AM — DrBleep reaches for the self promo button
10:32 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: no, it's only free when people can't get thrown in prison for it
10:32 AM <ghostpage> Flammable_Sam, telling people they'll kill you for being gay is worse though. Free speech doesn't cover society not ostracizing shitfucks
10:32 AM <WestyDude> SCP-2053 is a gcool one too
10:32 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> speech isn't free in america, and it shouldn't be
10:32 AM <Lily> Flammable_Sam: free speech shouldn't extend to hate speech
10:32 AM <Glorpman> So, does anyone here play Smash 4?
10:32 AM <DrBleep> SCP-2378
10:32 AM <GibberingEloquence> Guys
10:32 AM <%jarvis> drbleep: SCP-2378: Tissue Dome (written 2 months ago by DrBleep; rating: +47) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2378
10:32 AM <WestyDude> Glorpman: I only played the first smash games
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10:32 AM <@AidenEldritch> hi Raven
10:33 AM <WestyDude> Hey raven
10:33 AM <Scottisms> who wants to talk about the space age?
10:33 AM <GibberingEloquence> Can y'all do me a favor
10:33 AM <Glorpman> WestyDude, who you you main??
10:33 AM <Moenennbys> SCP-2684
10:33 AM <%jarvis> moenennbys: SCP-2684: Pax Arabica: Expansion Pack (written 2 days ago by Moenennbys; rating: +5) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2684
10:33 AM <JackIke> True fact: Australia does not actually have one of those thinggumybobs like the First Amendment - ergo, Australia does not actually inherently have freedom of speech/the press
10:33 AM <WestyDude> Scottisms: Like with NASA and that stuff
10:33 AM <Levi> SPACE RACE
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10:33 AM <WestyDude> Glorpman: Diddy Kong
10:33 AM <Glorpman> Hey the Raven
10:33 AM <Levi> JackIke neat
10:33 AM <@AidenEldritch> eyy Stonefish
10:33 AM <TheRaven> hi
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> actually threatening to kill someone doesn't fall under free speech
10:33 AM <Glorpman> WestyDude: That's a later game
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> that is the exception
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> the thing is, look at, eh
10:33 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: its speech
10:33 AM <Levi> Flammable_Sam and slander
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> hear me out, look at North Korea
10:33 AM <WestyDude> Glorpman: Fuck, I meant the recent games, not first games
10:33 AM <DrBleep> LordStonefish your -J may pass Bond Bees today
10:33 AM — WestyDude is a dumbo
10:33 AM <JackIke> Flammable_Sam: I wasn't refering to any statements in the conversation
10:33 AM <LordStonefish> Ey eldritch
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> if you told a communist party member that the NK regime is brutal
10:33 AM <Flammable_Sam> as far as he'd care
10:34 AM <JackIke> I was just stating an interesting fact i learnt yesterday
10:34 AM <Flammable_Sam> that'd be hate speech
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10:34 AM <Glorpman> WestyDude: Ahhh, I main King Dedede!
10:34 AM <Glorpman> Hey Decibelle
10:34 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> … i am
10:34 AM <Moenennbys> Ugh
10:34 AM <ghostpage> Flammable_Sam, not letting trans people use their bathroom is violent transphobia, but…
10:34 AM <Flammable_Sam> hate speech is subjective, and thus cannot be controlled
10:34 AM <Moenennbys> Hate speech
10:34 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> completely unsure that is how that works, Flammable_Sam
10:34 AM <Scottisms> WestyDude yeah, I'm currently reading October (revolution) Sky
10:34 AM <WestyDude> Hey Decibelle
10:34 AM <LordStonefish> DrBleep: I'm over the moon its my highest article, but I adore Bond Bees
10:34 AM <Levi> hey deci
10:34 AM <Decibelle> hello
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10:34 AM <Lily> Flammable_Sam: but. homopobia and transphobia and such /are/ hate speech
10:34 AM <GibberingEloquence> I haven't written anything in months. Can you guys please give writing prompts? Preferably 30 minute ones.
10:34 AM <LordStonefish> Decibelle: thanks for the upvote
10:34 AM <DrBleep> Lordstonefish it's a quality -J to be sure
10:34 AM <Flammable_Sam> no, it doesn't work that way, because frankly we're not free even in the UK where I live
10:34 AM <@AidenEldritch> Flammable_Sam: …what are you trying to say here
10:34 AM <Levi> Decibelle uh, sorry if this might sound rude, but would you mind looking over a draft? its fine if you dont want to
10:34 AM <JackIke> Decibelle: Jus a warning, there's a bit of a potentially iffy LGBTQ-related conversation going on
10:34 AM <Decibelle> Flammable_Sam: youre right that hate speech can not be controlled in the sense that you literally can not make people not say hate speech
10:34 AM <Moenennbys> Hate speech is a stupid concept
10:34 AM <Glorpman> I have played king dedede to the point I can visualize all of his attacks in my mind.
10:34 AM <WestyDude> GibberingEloquence: Uh, write from the heart
10:34 AM <Decibelle> however hate speech is hate speech
10:35 AM <DrBleep> Gibbering, I've got too many ideas so I'll lend you one
10:35 AM <Decibelle> such as transphobia, homophobia, etc etc etc
10:35 AM <Flammable_Sam> I'm saying that people should have the right to believe and say what they want as long as they aren't harming, or threatening to harm others
10:35 AM <Moenennbys> Hate speech is flawed
10:35 AM <DrBleep> Giant mammalian cells that use Bacon instead of DNA for their genetic code
10:35 AM <Decibelle> also correct. hate speech harms others
10:35 AM <WestyDude> Glorpman: Also explains your mainsite profile pic….10:35 AM <Lily> Flammable_Sam: but homophobia and transphobia harms others
10:35 AM <Flammable_Sam> Putting people into prison for saying things like 'I think gay marriage is a sin' is absolutely terrible
10:35 AM <Moenennbys> Because anyone can claim something is hate speech
10:35 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: so would you say that someone coerced to not speak their belief is being denied their free speech
10:35 AM <Moenennbys> Thus it results in tyranny by majority
10:35 AM <Flammable_Sam> Yes, Dolphin.
10:35 AM <ghostpage> Flammable_Sam, here's a comic that will explain it for you: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
10:35 AM <Moenennbys> While simultaneously limiting freedom
10:35 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: you do realize that's how society gets better, right
10:36 AM <WestyDude> ;_; I just wanna talk about something else
10:36 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Flammable_Sam: just because someone can say something doesn't mean you should give them a platform
10:36 AM <Sterbai> I'm going to dip out until this conversation is over
10:36 AM <Glorpman> WestyDude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rngcxwuxw4
10:36 AM <%jarvis> glorpman: I AM A SUPERSTAR WARRIOR - length 5s - 179↑0↓ - 6,247 views - Hugo Hikari on 2016-08-04
10:36 AM <Moenennbys> Not letting bad things be said makes people forget they were bad
10:36 AM <GibberingEloquence> DrBleep: I'm not talking about skips, I'm talking about simple situations that I can describe in 30 minutes.
10:36 AM <JackIke> WestyDude: Did you know the most recent volcanic activity on the moon happened around 100 million years ago
10:36 AM <Flammable_Sam> okay, in the UK we don't have an amendment
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10:36 AM <Flammable_Sam> where I associate we rely on 'common decency and tolerance for all' but okay
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10:36 AM <Moenennbys> I don't support hate speech laws
10:36 AM <Moenennbys> Controversial, I know
10:36 AM <DrBleep> Oh, nvm
10:36 AM <WestyDude> JackIke: Wait, theres volcanoes on the moon?
10:36 AM <Glorpman> ghostpage: Does Xkcd have a comic for everything?
10:36 AM <Levi> neat
10:37 AM <ghostpage> Glorpman: yes
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10:37 AM <JackIke> WestyDude: There were at one point, at least
10:37 AM <JackIke> Surprising, isnt it
10:37 AM <Scottisms> Many of my ideas come from this website. I showed it to my lesbian friend and she started a rumor that I'm an actual communist. That's why I act this way. *Warning* some stuff on this satire site might trigger you http://www.thepeoplescube.com/
10:37 AM <&Quikngruvn> The moon is tectonicly dead.
10:37 AM <Moenennbys> Uhhhh
10:37 AM <GibberingEloquence> WestyDude: Guess I'll just write from the heart like you asked.
10:37 AM <Flammable_Sam> if you're saying that having homophobic views should be illegal, then free speech is being infringed
10:37 AM <Moenennbys> What is the significance of her being lesbian
10:37 AM <Flammable_Sam> i mean that's getting close to 1984's thought police
10:37 AM <GibberingEloquence> Starting….now.
10:37 AM <Lily> Scottisms: triggered jokes ain't funny
10:37 AM <DrBleep> So is Mars Quikngruvn
10:37 AM <Moenennbys> What does it have to do with the anecdote
10:37 AM <WestyDude> GibberingEloquence: Like, for real, stick your hand in your chest,a dn write with your heart blood
10:37 AM <WestyDude> That how I write. :P
10:37 AM <BlackWing> Flammable_Sam: There is already some curtailing on what you can and cannot say with "Free Speech"
10:37 AM <Moenennbys> Trigger jokes are kinda funny
10:37 AM <Lux> WestyDude: works for art too!
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> When made appropriately
10:38 AM <DrBleep> Trigger jokes aren't funny
10:38 AM <Lily> Flammable_Sam: what the fuck how is saying "homophobia is wrong" close to "totalitarian dictatorship"
10:38 AM <Decibelle> i dont really tolerate people spouting violent idealogy. one can argue that 'I think gay marriage is a sin' isnt violent idealogy but then again, WBC loved arguing that
10:38 AM <BlackWing> For example: You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded building
10:38 AM <Lux> tbh i make trigger jokes about myself
10:38 AM <Decibelle> trigger jokes arent funny btw
10:38 AM <&Quikngruvn> Indeed, Bleep. In fact, the only worlds in the Solar System with hot vulcanism are Terra and Io.
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> because when you start saying
10:38 AM <Lux> making fun of myself
10:38 AM <Decibelle> unless you wanna make them about yourself then
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10:38 AM <Decibelle> thats not an issue i think
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> They kinda are
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> that people who are homophobic should be criminalised as far as sharing their beliefs
10:38 AM <WestyDude> trigger jokes are not funny
10:38 AM <WestyDude> Not at all
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10:38 AM <Lux> because i'm a self deprecating fuck also oh god is the net splitting again
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> Well
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> that is totalitarianism
10:38 AM <DrBleep> Quikngruvn, I think Pluto may have some tectonics going on based on the New Horizons imagery
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> I find them funny in some applications
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> if someone wants to say, eh
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> Also
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> Yeah
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> 'Sam, you're a commie bastard' because I'm a socialist
10:38 AM <Flammable_Sam> then let them
10:38 AM <Moenennbys> Hate speech is still speech
10:38 AM <&Quikngruvn> Oh yeah, I remember that, Bleep.
10:39 AM <Moenennbys> It has the right to exist
10:39 AM <JackIke> something something "Planet 9"
10:39 AM <&Quikngruvn> Can I say something about "free speech"?
10:39 AM <WestyDude> Didn't nasa discover 9 exoplanets the other day?
10:39 AM <Moenennbys> That way we can talk about how awful it is
10:39 AM <Levi> SPACE RACE
10:39 AM <Flammable_Sam> because what people see as offensive is subjective
10:39 AM <JackIke> WestyDude: Yup
10:39 AM <Flammable_Sam> law should be objective
10:39 AM <DrBleep> 7 Westydude
10:39 AM <Decibelle> "Sam, you're a commie bastard" does not have the same social impact and stigma that "You're going to Hell because you're gay, and you are a sin" does
10:39 AM <JackIke> And everyone wants to bail there
10:39 AM <WestyDude> 7, my bad
10:39 AM <Moenennbys> Honestly
10:39 AM <JackIke> but they're lightyears away, damnit
10:39 AM <DrBleep> I gotta run
10:39 AM <Scottisms> Space, space, wanna go to space
10:39 AM <Moenennbys> That shouldn't offend anyone
10:39 AM <DrBleep> switching to mobile
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10:39 AM <&Quikngruvn> You are free to say what you want, but *not* free from the consequences.
10:40 AM <JackIke> LAWS OF PHYSICS, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO RESTRICTIVE?
10:40 AM <WestyDude> Quikngruvn: I agree with this
10:40 AM <Moenennbys> Because everyone is going to hell
10:40 AM <Moenennbys> Nobody has ever lived a life without sin
10:40 AM <Glorpman> The Portal gun could make a really good space program
10:40 AM <BlackWing> You all know about Trappist-1, yes?
10:40 AM <Moenennbys> But whatevs
10:40 AM <Levi> JackIke the laws of physics should be broken for the preservation of liberty
10:40 AM <Flammable_Sam> i'm in a dilemma of using a more relevant example at the cost of intense personal embarrassment, or using out of touch examples and preserving my privacy
10:40 AM <Flammable_Sam> i was using 'commie bastard' as a theoretical example
10:40 AM <Moenennbys> Christians be cray cray
10:40 AM <Glorpman> Just make an infinite loop portal and launch it out of the atmosphere.
10:41 AM <JackIke> Levi: Something something "President of the earth outlaws the laws of physics, Rat's Nest ensues"
10:41 AM <Scottisms> Westboro Baptist Church is extremist
10:41 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Moenennbys: except saying "you're going to hell because you're gay" is factually incorrect
10:41 AM <Decibelle> id love a more relevant example that would equal "You're going to Hell because you're gay, and you are a sin", which perpetuates the idea that homophobia is okay and leads to deaths of gay people because the homophobia is so normalized
10:41 AM <Levi> JackIke well, we are all about freedom
10:41 AM <Levi> AMERICA FUCK YEAH
10:41 AM <Flammable_Sam> yes, WBC are scumbags, except they have a right to teach what they want to about gay people, as long as they don't harm or threaten to harm gay people
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10:41 AM <Flammable_Sam> saying 'you're going to hell' is a personal belief
10:41 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> they fucking do
10:41 AM <Moenennbys> It doesn't perpetuate the idea that homophobia is gay at all
10:41 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> fucking christ, they do
10:42 AM <Flammable_Sam> yes, that's where they do overstep the line
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> Like
10:42 AM <WestyDude> Hmmmm
10:42 AM <Flammable_Sam> i'm not saying they don't
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10:42 AM <WestyDude> Bill Nye is still a thing
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10:42 AM <Moenennbys> In no way whatsoever does it say homophobia is okay
10:42 AM <WestyDude> :)
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> It just says that that person is crazy and should not be trusted
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> Or an evangelical
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> One of the two
10:42 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> they create an environment in which it is suitable and okay to criticize and damn someone for a facet of their personality which is not inherently evil
10:42 AM <Scottisms> Saying to a friend, I believe that homosexuality is a sin is alright, but protests and riots are too far
10:42 AM <Decibelle> normalization of hatred against minorities leads to violence and harm against said minorities
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> Not reall
10:42 AM <Decibelle> it is indeed a well-researched field
10:42 AM <JackIke> I'm half tempted to visit WBC at some point solely to see what the sermons are like and figure out how they ended up where they are
10:42 AM <Moenennbys> It isn't normalization
10:43 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Moenennbys: it's precisely normalization
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10:43 AM <Moenennbys> Its something that exists
10:43 AM <Flammable_Sam> normalisation of government censorship leads to an attitude of people believing that it's okay to put people in prison for saying things that upset others
10:43 AM <Moenennbys> If it didn't exist
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10:43 AM <JackIke> AidenEldritch: [Za Warudo]?
10:43 AM Channel mode set to +m by AidenEldritch
10:43 AM <@AidenEldritch> Thank you.
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10:44 AM <@AidenEldritch> This is going to be a official stop order on the topic of hate speech.
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10:45 AM <@AidenEldritch> I think at this point in time it's fair to say that this has become, if not an actively toxic conversation effectively saying that "it's okay to put down other people for things entirely out of their control", then one that's going to be unproductive for all involved, since one side is completely unwilling to listen to the other
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10:46 AM <@AidenEldritch> So I'm going to stop it before it somehow does devolve into something even worse. Thank you.
10:46 AM Channel mode set to -m by AidenEldritch
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10:46 AM <JackIke> Now time has begun to move again.
10:46 AM <Moenennbys> I don't see how tho
10:46 AM <Decibelle> im gonna say this just so i can get kicked & warned but its worth it. Moenennbys, Flammable_Sam (who left already lol), go research some history so youre not so fucking wrong every time you speak. id recommend researching the 1930s and 1940s and what happened in germany, if youre so curious about that, to see if thats fucking comparable to "oooh my free speech uwu, free speech of people who
10:46 AM <Decibelle> hate minorities uwu".
10:46 AM <JackIke> (i fucking called that woo hoo)
10:46 AM <Moenennbys> And why is it toxic
10:46 AM <subtletea> …..
10:46 AM <Moenennbys> It was a civil discussion
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10:47 AM <JackIke> AidenEldritch: i fookin called that +m jojoke rules
10:47 AM <WestyDude> Anywho, who watched Bill Nye when it was a thing?
10:47 AM <@AidenEldritch> It was a discussion that was clearly making a lot of people uncomfortable, to say nothing of the grievous misunderstanding of "free speech" and the consequences thereof
10:47 AM <subtletea> o/
10:47 AM <Levi> oi subtletea
10:47 AM <@AidenEldritch> but okay, sure
10:47 AM <@AidenEldritch> hi subtletea
10:47 AM <WestyDude> hey tea
10:47 AM <Decibelle> an operator needs to kick/warn me; i intensely violated that stop order
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10:47 AM <Moenennbys> It isnt a misunderstanding of free speech
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10:47 AM <Decibelle> figured it wouldnt be fair if i got away with it
10:47 AM <Moenennbys> Its a literal interpretation of it
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10:48 AM <Moenennbys> In addition
10:48 AM <Scottisms> thanks man
10:48 AM <tawny> free speech is when I'm feeling generous and don't charge people per word
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10:48 AM <Moenennbys> Its rather ironic that a violation of free speech was required to stop a conversation about free speech
10:48 AM <WestyDude> I thought Bill Nye was kinda cool
10:48 AM <WestyDude> How about everybody else?
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10:48 AM <Levi> BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
10:48 AM <tawny> that's not a violation of free speech
10:48 AM <Moenennbys> He was a'ight
10:48 AM <tawny> do we have to link the xkcd comic again
10:48 AM <JackIke> WestyDude: I have never actually seen Bill Nye
10:48 AM <WestyDude> Levi: He made learning fun
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10:48 AM <JackIke> Same with Micheal Rosen
10:48 AM <ghostpage> Tawny, https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/O99Q1I6B/
10:48 AM <Kath> I come back to 'bill nye the science guy' Levi you are awesome
10:48 AM <ghostpage> er no oops
10:49 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Moenennbys: this is not the government
10:49 AM <Moenennbys> His show was weird tho
10:49 AM <WestyDude> JackIke: SCP-2702 is basically bill nye
10:49 AM <subtletea> So how about them skips
10:49 AM <Levi> Kath you welcome
10:49 AM <Moenennbys> And
10:49 AM <ghostpage> Tawny, https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
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10:49 AM <subtletea> hear they're meant to be great this season
10:49 AM <Moenennbys> I expect the right to talk on the internet
10:49 AM <Kath> mmm dem scips doe
10:49 AM <@AidenEldritch> Cimmerian: you might wanna leave soon
10:49 AM <DrBleep> BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLY NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
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10:49 AM <Moenennbys> And not be forced to submit to the beliefs of others
10:49 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Moenennbys: 4chan's always open
10:49 AM — Scottisms tiptoes back onto the channel
10:49 AM <Kath> BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
10:49 AM <&Quikngruvn> Did we or did we not have a stop order on Types of Speech?
10:49 AM <ghostpage> DolphinSlugchugger, pffffffft
10:49 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> except, oh wait, even 4chan has rules
10:49 AM <Cimmerian> Moenennbys: "On the internet" is kind of a nebulous qualifier.
10:49 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> Quikngruvn: hate speech
10:50 AM — JackIke prepares for the next [The World]
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> Well
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> I was supressed
10:50 AM <BlackWing> ZA WARUDO
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> From expressing my opinion
10:50 AM <Cimmerian> To say that you should have a freedom to say anything anywhere is foolish.
10:50 AM — DrBleep waits for what is coming
10:50 AM <DolphinSlugchugger> okay
10:50 AM <&Quikngruvn> Personally, I hate speech. Can't stand to speak in front of a group.
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> That wasn't in a rude or hateful manner
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> So
10:50 AM <Moenennbys> I don't think it was fair
10:50 AM <Kath> Quikngruvn: same
10:50 AM <Kath> (and I have a speech to make later this week ahaha)
10:50 AM <subtletea> I MIGHT HAVE SAVED A PLANT YOU GUYS.
10:51 AM ← Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: a stop order also applies to meta discussion about the stopped conversation

Then a bunch of shit in 17 basically reverting to "muh free speech".

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10:54 AM <Moenennbys> Um
10:54 AM <Moenennbys> Was I banned?
10:54 AM <%AidenEldritch> no
10:54 AM <Moenennbys> Why was I kicked though
10:54 AM <Moenennbys> I think my criticism was legit
10:54 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Flagrant violation of a stop order?
10:55 AM ⇐ @Silber quit (aaahs.ihs.ihs.dn|stekcop#aaahs.ihs.ihs.dn|stekcop) Ping timeout
10:55 AM <Moenennbys> No
10:55 AM <%AidenEldritch> Yep
10:55 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Stop orders don't, y'know, stop being that because you complain about them
10:55 AM <Moenennbys> Question as to why the order was issued
10:55 AM <Moenennbys> Echo chambers are bad
10:55 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Stop order means stop.
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10:56 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Period. End of discussion.
10:56 AM <&Quikngruvn> Moenennbys, this is neither a democracy nor a government entity. Your right of free speech in 19 is not fucking guaranteed.
10:56 AM <@ProcyonLotor> If you have a question, comment, or concern you can take it in here or message an operator.
10:56 AM <@ProcyonLotor> What you cannot do is continue to prattle in 19 about it
10:57 AM <%AidenEldritch> my reasoning: people were pretty clearly becoming increasingly uncomfortable, aggravated and generally nothing productive was coming out of the conversation apart from "I think hate speech shouldn't exist." "I think it should."
10:57 AM <@ProcyonLotor> We have the right to enforce the standards of our community as we please, just as you have the right to choose which communities you're a part of.
10:59 AM <Moenennbys> But
10:59 AM <Moenennbys> I wasn't being implicitly rude
10:59 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Doesn't matter.
10:59 AM <Moenennbys> I think it does
11:00 AM <@ProcyonLotor> A stop order is a stop order.
11:00 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Literally by the rules it does not.
11:00 AM <@ProcyonLotor> If a user violates a stop order (after an arbitrary number of seconds to make sure they read it), they are kicked.
11:01 AM <Moenennbys> I'd argue I didn't violate it
11:02 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Whether you're polite or rude, whether the responding op agrees or disagrees, makes no difference.
11:02 AM <Moenennbys> Questioning the op order isnt violating it
11:02 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Well, that argument is a complete non-starter.
11:02 AM <Moenennbys> And wouldn't it be up to the op who issued the order
11:02 AM <@ProcyonLotor> By continuing the discussion in 19, you have violated the order.
11:02 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Nope.
11:02 AM <@ProcyonLotor> General enforcement.
11:03 AM <Moenennbys> I didn't continue the discussion
11:03 AM <Moenennbys> If anythinf
11:03 AM <Moenennbys> Deci did
11:04 AM <@ProcyonLotor> You continued to talk about the topic that was halted.
11:04 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Deci was also kicked.
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11:04 AM <@Decibelle> i will indeed say that i did intentionally violate the stop order to continue the discussion, knowing i would be kicked and warned
11:04 AM <@Decibelle> that is correct
11:05 AM <@ProcyonLotor> That's the way it works. Rude or polite, agree or disagree, first or second is entirely meaningless. There are one and a half factors in determining whether someone gets kicked. "Are you talking about the thing that got stopped, even at a layer of abstraction".
11:06 AM <@ProcyonLotor> The half is "has it been five seconds" but that really doesn't matter here.
11:06 AM <Moenennbys> The topic was hate speech
11:06 AM <Moenennbys> Not free speech
11:06 AM <Moenennbys> Null
11:06 AM BusyVolt → NineVolt
11:07 AM <@ProcyonLotor> The hate speech and free speech conversations were one and the same.
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11:07 AM <Moenennbys> No
11:07 AM <Moenennbys> They aren't
11:07 AM  → Rimple
11:08 AM <&Quikngruvn> Moen, free advice: stop digging the hole you're in.
11:08 AM <@ProcyonLotor> They were.
11:11 AM <Moenennbys> But this is very unfair
11:11 AM <Moenennbys> Eliminating opinions that disagree even slightly with yours is a nasty habit
11:11 AM <Moenennbys> And it could potentially deter talent
11:11 AM <@ProcyonLotor> That's not what a stop order is.
11:12 AM <Moenennbys> Just saying
11:12 AM <Moenennbys> But its what it represents
11:12 AM <Moenennbys> Suppressing even the slightest form of dissent
11:12 AM <Moenennbys> Making site19 an echo chamber
11:12 AM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, if that's what you want to think it is, far be it from me to dissuade you, but you're wrong.
11:13 AM <Moenennbys> I'm really not though
11:13 AM <%AidenEldritch> please stop trying to paint yourself as a great protagonist of some ya dystopian novel fighting against the oppressors for effectively taking a conversation that had produced nothing of positive contribution, resurrecting it for a self-aggrandising purpose and then proceeding to complain with no reasoning after you get slapped for it
11:13 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Yes, you really are.
11:13 AM <Moenennbys> I'm not trying to paint myself as anythibg
11:13 AM <@ProcyonLotor> You're not a martyr here, or some principled savior of chat.
11:13 AM <&Quikngruvn> You know what? This conversation is fucking pointless. Imma issue a Stop Order in a couple minutes.
11:13 AM <Moenennbys> I'm just saying that that's what I see
11:13 AM <Moenennbys> An echo chamber
11:14 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Okay, and I see you trying to martyr yourself. If I'm wrong there, you're wrong here.
11:14 AM <Moenennbys> It isn't pointless
11:14 AM <Moenennbys> Why would I try to martyr myself?
11:14 AM <@ProcyonLotor> It really is.
11:14 AM <WrongEnd> I admin over on goonstation and all I can say is when we tell someone to stop a conversation is because it's just getting vicious and pointless, or going around in circles
11:14 AM <Moenennbys> THAT is pointless
11:14 AM <WrongEnd> AKA "this will only cause problems and fuck dealing with problems"
11:14 AM <Moenennbys> It wasn't vicious tho
11:14 AM <@Silber> Moenennbys: Stop orders end the conversation on both sides. People who disagree with you have the same problem with stop orders.
11:14 AM <Moenennbys> That's what I'm saying
11:14 AM <&Quikngruvn> One more minute till Stop Order.
11:15 AM <@Silber> It's not about shutting down one side or the other, it's about keeping 19 from tearing each other's hair out.
11:15 AM <@ProcyonLotor> You have no understanding of the principles involved and are pretending you understand the (really basic) rationale behind stop orders when you have thoroughly demonstrated you do not.
11:15 AM <%minmin> I don't think this is going anywhere beyond a pointless appeal for a right we never promised
11:15 AM <@ProcyonLotor> Stop order stands, kick stands, have a nice day.
11:15 AM <Moenennbys> Ugh
11:15 AM <&Quikngruvn> And we're done! Stop Order engaged.
11:15 AM <&Quikngruvn> We now return you to your regularly scheduled tyranny.
11:16 AM <WrongEnd> I did not vote for you
11:16 AM — @ProcyonLotor stomps around in jackboots
11:16 AM <WrongEnd> help, help I'm being repressed
11:16 AM <WrongEnd> Come see the violence inherent in the system
11:16 AM <Moenennbys> And now you guys get to ridicule me
11:16 AM <Moenennbys> Because I am feeble and powerless
11:16 AM <Moenennbys> Great
11:16 AM <WrongEnd> I dunno about you but I was referencing monty python
11:16 AM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, you make a stupid argument, we're gonna treat it as such?
11:16 AM <&Quikngruvn> No pity parties in 17.
11:16 AM <Moenennbys> It isnt a stupid argument
11:16 AM <&Quikngruvn> Or in 19.
11:17 AM <Moenennbys> And this isn't a pity party
11:17 AM <@ProcyonLotor> It really, really was. But let's not get back into it.
11:17 AM ← Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) was kicked by &Quikngruvn: You just don't fucking know when to stop.
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11:17 AM <%AidenEldritch> fwiw if we're just going to circlejerk about it we should probably just-
11:17 AM <%AidenEldritch> well okay then
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11:17 AM ← WrongEnd (~ten.dshqrabme.pchd.CC3A8662-CRInys|dnegnorw#ten.dshqrabme.pchd.CC3A8662-CRInys|dnegnorw) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: in intererst of fairness
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11:17 AM <DreadLindwyrm> Moenennbys: I've been silenced a few times in 19. I don't think of it as an echo chamber.
11:17 AM ← @ProcyonLotor (nooccaR.snaeM.rotoL|noycorP#nooccaR.snaeM.rotoL|noycorP) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: in intererst of fairness
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11:17 AM <Moenennbys> Well
11:17 AM ← DreadLindwyrm (draoh.erus|ert#draoh.erus|ert) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: sorry buddy, gotta
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11:18 AM <Moenennbys> I don't think you understand the point I was making
11:18 AM <Moenennbys> But whatever
11:18 AM <&Quikngruvn> I'm going to fucking ban you if you do not drop it now, Moen.
11:18 AM ← Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: and right after I get done kicking everyone else to prove my point that no one's exempt, jfc

Banned from 17.

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Re: Moenennbys

Quikngruvn 28 Feb 2017 02:03

For the sake of accuracy and completeness, AE's post doesn't include all the pertinent logs, specifically the point where Moen got banned.

Continued from AE's post

[2017-02-27 19:15:33] <Quikngruvn> And we're done! Stop Order engaged.
[2017-02-27 19:15:52] <Quikngruvn> We now return you to your regularly scheduled tyranny.
[2017-02-27 19:16:01] <WrongEnd> I did not vote for you
[2017-02-27 19:16:03] * ProcyonLotor stomps around in jackboots
[2017-02-27 19:16:04] <WrongEnd> help, help I'm being repressed
[2017-02-27 19:16:15] <WrongEnd> Come see the violence inherent in the system
[2017-02-27 19:16:19] <Moenennbys> And now you guys get to ridicule me
[2017-02-27 19:16:29] <Moenennbys> Because I am feeble and powerless
[2017-02-27 19:16:31] <Moenennbys> Great
[2017-02-27 19:16:39] <WrongEnd> I dunno about you but I was referencing monty python
[2017-02-27 19:16:43] <ProcyonLotor> I mean, you make a stupid argument, we're gonna treat it as such?
[2017-02-27 19:16:48] <Quikngruvn> No pity parties in 17.
[2017-02-27 19:16:51] <Moenennbys> It isnt a stupid argument
[2017-02-27 19:16:52] <Quikngruvn> Or in 19.
[2017-02-27 19:17:03] <Moenennbys> And this isn't a pity party
[2017-02-27 19:17:09] <ProcyonLotor> It really, really was. But let's not get back into it.
[2017-02-27 19:17:12] =-= Moenennbys was booted from #site17 by YOU (You just don't fucking know when to stop.)
[2017-02-27 19:17:15] -->| Dexanote (surypap.yuglooc.repus|heyn#surypap.yuglooc.repus|heyn) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:17:16] =-= Mode #site17 +o Dexanote by ChanServ
[2017-02-27 19:17:16] <AidenEldritch> fwiw if we're just going to circlejerk about it we should probably just-
[2017-02-27 19:17:17] <AidenEldritch> well okay then
[2017-02-27 19:17:18] -->| Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:17:29] =-= WrongEnd was booted from #site17 by ProcyonLotor (in intererst of fairness)
[2017-02-27 19:17:29] -->| WrongEnd (~ten.dshqrabme.pchd.CC3A8662-CRInys|dnegnorw#ten.dshqrabme.pchd.CC3A8662-CRInys|dnegnorw) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:17:31] <DreadLindwyrm> Moenennbys: I've been silenced a few times in 19. I don't think of it as an echo chamber.
[2017-02-27 19:17:35] =-= ProcyonLotor was booted from #site17 by ProcyonLotor (in intererst of fairness)
[2017-02-27 19:17:42] -->| ProcyonLotor (nooccaR.snaeM.rotoL|noycorP#nooccaR.snaeM.rotoL|noycorP) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:17:42] =-= Mode #site17 +o ProcyonLotor by ChanServ
[2017-02-27 19:17:51] <Moenennbys> Well
[2017-02-27 19:17:53] =-= DreadLindwyrm was booted from #site17 by ProcyonLotor (sorry buddy, gotta)
[2017-02-27 19:18:07] -->| DreadLindwyrm (draoh.erus|ert#draoh.erus|ert) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:18:13] <Moenennbys> I don't think you understand the point I was making
[2017-02-27 19:18:33] <Moenennbys> But whatever
[2017-02-27 19:18:37] <Quikngruvn> I'm going to fucking ban you if you do not drop it now, Moen.
[2017-02-27 19:18:42] =-= Moenennbys was booted from #site17 by ProcyonLotor (and right after I get done kicking everyone else to prove my point that no one's exempt, jfc)
[2017-02-27 19:18:52] <DreadLindwyrm> No problem. I was going to shut down for the night anyway. :| Catch people when it's hopefully all a bit smoother and calmer.
[2017-02-27 19:18:59] <DreadLindwyrm> G'night guys.
[2017-02-27 19:19:02] |<— DreadLindwyrm has left irc.synirc.net (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131])
[2017-02-27 19:19:21] <Joreth> .seen djkaktus
[2017-02-27 19:19:22] <jarvis> joreth: I last saw djkaktus 2 hours ago saying: why even live amiright
[2017-02-27 19:19:29] -->| Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:19:32] <Reject> Wise words
[2017-02-27 19:19:42] <djkaktus> why do you haunt me so joreth
[2017-02-27 19:19:44] <Joreth> man coony all this abuse is making me jealous
[2017-02-27 19:19:55] <Joreth> djkaktus https://www.reddit.com/r/SCP/comments/5wkekj/scp_of_the_week_scp2553_juridical_person_by/ pls approve
[2017-02-27 19:20:01] <minmin> shitpost elsewhere
[2017-02-27 19:20:16] <minmin> or ill rly delete ur acc
[2017-02-27 19:20:18] <Joreth> djkaktus: I am the antithesis of you: well-regarded for lack of effort
[2017-02-27 19:20:19] <Moenennbys> I will never argue again
[2017-02-27 19:20:23] <Moenennbys> Its pointless
[2017-02-27 19:20:42] =-= Mode #site17 +b *!*@synIRC-8B432581.stonehaven.irccloud.com by Quikngruvn
[2017-02-27 19:20:47] —>| Dr_Leonard (ten.mocrie.rgm-cbd.kdd.2gga.D8F686DA-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.mocrie.rgm-cbd.kdd.2gga.D8F686DA-CRInys|tibbiM) has joined #site17
[2017-02-27 19:20:52] =-= Moenennbys was booted from #site17 by ProcyonLotor (can't say you didn't g et warned.)

Mode #site17 +b *!*@synIRC-8B432581.stonehaven.irccloud.com

'Coon suggested a week ban from 17 only (access to 19 is unaffected), which I'm good with. Unless there's serious disagreement, that would put the ban expiring on 3/6/17 at 19:20 EST.

Last edited on 28 Feb 2017 02:03 by Quikngruvn Show more

Re: Moenennbys

SoullessSingularity 28 Feb 2017 01:15

I got a complaint from user LordStoneFish that this user is making them uncomfortable, and gave me logs in which they talked about how reddit was too SJW for them to post jokes.

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<LordStonefish> I am no longer comfy with Moenennbys's weird vaguely conservative/brogressive rants about free speech and whatnot
<LordStonefish> He was warned AND kicked
<Soulless> What dod hje dp
<Soulless> can you link me
<Soulless> like
<Soulless> can you give me logs as to what he did to make you uncomfortable right now
<LordStonefish> He was just saying stuff about places to post a joke and idk not dropping the subject and fixating on tumblr and alt-right and SJW stuff
<LordStonefish> It literally just happened it 19
<Soulless> can you give me logs I was literally in a pm with shio critiquing his draft
<LordStonefish> Sorry
<Soulless> It's ok I just needs logs to put up the complaint on 05command and get other ops to weight in
<LordStonefish> Ignore it go back to your pm
<Soulless> I 100% want this complaint recorded
<Soulless> no
<Soulless> It's over
<Soulless> i just am no context in site19 right now because I was away
<LordStonefish> I will get logs hang on
<Soulless> Please give me logs of the incicent that made you uncomfortable so I can post it on 05command and have other people weigh in
<Soulless> also would you like me to include your username that you were uncomfortable or would you like this to be an anonymous user?
<LordStonefish> No please include my name
<Soulless> okay
<Soulless> I will do so
<LordStonefish> Can't get logs on my phone. Shit.
<LordStonefish> Choice statements I can get
<LordStonefish> 7:55 PM <Moenennbys> I'm banned from site17 anyways
<LordStonefish> 7:54 PM <Moenennbys> What's a good place to post jokes
<LordStonefish> 7:54 PM <Moenennbys> That won't get me b&
<LordStonefish> 7:55 PM <Moenennbys> Tumblr is way too PC
<LordStonefish> 7:56 PM <Moenennbys> Twitter is too salty
<LordStonefish> 7:56 PM <Moenennbys> Where the fuck do I go
<LordStonefish> 7:56 PM <Moenennbys> I'm going to Nationstates
<LordStonefish> 7:56 PM <Moenennbys> Reddit is SJW heaven
<Soulless> Thanks
<Soulless> Was there context like
<Soulless> Was anhyone talking about posting jokes
<Soulless> or sjws or anything
<LordStonefish> No
<Soulless> okay thanks
<Soulless> I'm recording this
<LordStonefish> He brought it up
<Soulless> is there aything else you'd like to comment
<LordStonefish> He then attempted to say that Reddit was way liberal and full of SJWs and 4chan was the only place that alt-righters existed, he then talked about getting kys messages on tumblr.
<Soulless> okay
<LordStonefish> that's all

since they were verbally warned, I'm suggesting a harsher warning/short ban.

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Living the dream, or dreaming the life?

Re: Moenennbys

ProcyonLotor 28 Feb 2017 01:19

This is stupid, yes, but I'm having difficulty finding a reasonable construction where this violates any rules.
I say no action.

Re: Moenennbys

minmin 28 Feb 2017 01:28

Same as procy. Unless this is a part of a longer term thing, I wouldn't take any action.

Re: Moenennbys

Taffeta 28 Feb 2017 04:09

opinions: out
gears: ground
ops: not amused

i am forcibly ejected from site19

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2:05 PM <Moenennbys> Do you have any gay requests
2:05 PM <TheBlueDragon> no
2:05 PM <TheBlueDragon> I'm new here
2:05 PM <SpectralDragon> TheBlueDragon: hey, I'm ace, I technically could write sex stuff if I wanted to
2:05 PM <Khoast> Negative
2:05 PM <TheBlueDragon> XP
2:05 PM <JackIke> AidenEldritch: Could you PM me when the topic changes
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> absolutely
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> .lc
2:05 PM <%jarvis> aideneldritch: SCP-2730: Q U A C K - Q U A C K (written 38 minutes ago by A Random Day) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2730
2:05 PM <%jarvis> aideneldritch: SCP-2497 (written 39 minutes ago by Dr Freaky) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2497
2:05 PM <%jarvis> aideneldritch: SCP-2859: The Space Serpents (written 5 hours ago by toastedraptor) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2859
2:05 PM <Moenennbys> I could just do more of this couple
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> SCP-2858
2:05 PM <%jarvis> aideneldritch: SCP-2858: As Though The Wasps Themselves Had Worked It There (written 3 months ago by Aiden Eldritch; rating: +71) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2858
2:05 PM <JackIke> Cheers
2:05 PM <Metaphysician> http://i.imgur.com/iGr1Cjb.jpg
2:05 PM <SpectralDragon> I mean. I don't want to, but I could! The point is that you can find a way.
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> SCP-2565
2:05 PM <Moenennbys> Or make some new characters
2:05 PM <%jarvis> aideneldritch: Allison Eckhart: Allison Eckhart (written 4 months ago by Aiden Eldritch; rating: +62) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2565
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2:05 PM <Moenennbys> Also
2:05 PM <TheBlueDragon> are they having a contest for scp 3000?
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> Metaphysician: aww
2:05 PM <@AidenEldritch> nice drawr
2:05 PM <Moenennbys> I don't do furry shit
2:06 PM <TL333s> eventually, yeah
2:06 PM <Oboebandgeek99> this couple is a pretty good gay couple. is it just a random couple or?
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> That's where i draw the line
2:06 PM <Metaphysician> Not mine, but fan art made of my stuff heh.
2:06 PM <@Soulless> oh yeah while I'm here
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> Oh no
2:06 PM <@Soulless> Sad Puppies get out
2:06 PM <AbsentmindedNihilist> moenennbys could you do - shit
2:06 PM <@AidenEldritch> Metaphysician: the Wandsman?
2:06 PM <TheBlueDragon> they doin another "memetic agent" for it?
2:06 PM <Metaphysician> Fuck. I've not been productive…
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> I fabricated them with my imagination
2:06 PM <Khoast> Draw furry incest trap moennennbys
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> All my drawing subjects are original characters
2:06 PM <Metaphysician> Wandsman is bird ;p This is Ion tending to his disciple, Nadox.
2:06 PM <Oboebandgeek99> ok just checking that it wasnt a reference or something
2:06 PM <AbsentmindedNihilist> someone draw the long corg
2:06 PM <@Soulless> If you worry that sjws are taking over scifi and fantasy, you can also leave
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> GOD NO
2:06 PM <@AidenEldritch> AbsentmindedNihilist: doooog
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> It isnt a reference
2:06 PM <subtletea> Can someone ping me when this topic has changed as well
2:06 PM <Moenennbys> Soulless: but they are tho
2:07 PM <TheBlueDragon> with SCP-001 I actually had a heart rate increase and its supposed to be fake
2:07 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, you can go
2:07 PM <Levi> TheBlueDragon it freaked me out the first time i saw it
2:07 PM <Khoast> Do you have anything written cherry
2:07 PM <Cherry> Naye.
2:07 PM <Cherry> I do not write.
2:07 PM <Moenennbys> Soulless: ha
2:07 PM <Khoast> Alright just curious
2:07 PM <AbsentmindedNihilist> i was gonna request the kinky coyote
2:07 PM <Oboebandgeek99> ive literally ranted b4 about how "sjw" is literally meaningless bc it has too broad of a definition
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2:07 PM <Moenennbys> I did it just to grind your gears
2:07 PM <TheBlueDragon> so yeah, I'm the noob here
2:07 PM <AbsentmindedNihilist> and his gorgeous man
2:07 PM <Moenennbys> Did I grind them?
2:07 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, the increased voice for a diverse opinion already happened in the '09 racefail discussion and the overall argument was indeed poc and diverse opinions make for better, more compelling narratives
2:07 PM <Metaphysician> Recently threw everything I could find into one album, minus a few https://imgur.com/a/AM4HV
2:07 PM <Levi> do grind Dr. Gears?
2:07 PM <TheBlueDragon> haven't even been accepted yet
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2:08 PM <Moenennbys> Soulless: I cant talk political
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> Sorry
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> It got me banned from site17
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2:08 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, then don't talk shit
2:08 PM <@Soulless> lmao
2:08 PM <SpectralDragon> Moenennbys: weren't you just going on about how site19 was too liberal
2:08 PM <TheBlueDragon> well, site 17 isnt for politics
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> I think they forgot to ban me here too
2:08 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Moenennbys: repeated violations of stop orders got you banned from site17
2:08 PM <TheBlueDragon> its for asking questions
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> It is tho
2:08 PM <ARD> Moenennbys: we didn't forget we took pity
2:08 PM <TheBlueDragon> as I have found
2:08 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Don't misrepresent it.
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> You guys didn't take pitt
2:08 PM <TheBlueDragon> well
2:08 PM <Moenennbys> Y
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> I mean
2:09 PM <TheBlueDragon> I got reprimanded for going off topic there
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> It really was for talking politics tho
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> Anyways
2:09 PM <@ProcyonLotor> No.
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> I lost track of the gay stuff
2:09 PM — Metaphysician sighs.
2:09 PM — @AidenEldritch bangs head against wall
2:09 PM <Khoast> Hi procyonlotor
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> What did absent request
2:09 PM <@ProcyonLotor> It was for repeatedly violating stop orders. Because we banned you when you repeatedly violated the stop order.
2:09 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Hello, Khoast
2:09 PM <Moenennbys> The past is the past
2:09 PM <Khoast> How is your night
2:10 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, frankly if you can't handle that maybe a small minority of stories can have diverse opinions and are seen as good literature for it, you are free to not be welcome, because all the award winning stories thus recently have been exploring fantastic, diverse settings
2:10 PM <Moenennbys> Let it go, its healthier, yeah?
2:10 PM <@Silber> Moenennbys, dude, you brought it up
2:10 PM <Moenennbys> Soulless: what?
2:10 PM <TheBlueDragon> I'm more likely to drop an idea if people don't like it than to edit it more
2:10 PM <Metaphysician> Truth be told, I'd rather people not know what my background is for my writing.
2:10 PM <Moenennbys> I'm fine with diversity
2:10 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Moenennbys: I'm not going to allow you to misrrepresent staff action. And, as silber said, I did not brirng it up.
2:10 PM <Khoast> Is there a #site77
2:10 PM <Moenennbys> I didn't either
2:10 PM <Metaphysician> I'd rather people not make assumptions based on such.
2:10 PM <Khoast> Sort of
2:10 PM <TheBlueDragon> I'm caucasian, I won't judge others based on race
2:10 PM <Moenennbys> Look Procyon
2:10 PM <TheBlueDragon> I don't like racists
2:11 PM <Moenennbys> Its okay
2:11 PM <Moenennbys> I get it
2:11 PM <subtletea> TheBlueDragon: best to keep quiet for now and let the orps do their work
2:11 PM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, you don't, or we wouldn't have this problem.
2:11 PM <@Soulless> TheBlueDragon, generally all ideas are workable
2:11 PM <Moenennbys> You don't need to get all lecture-y with me
2:11 PM <Metaphysician> Tabbing out I guess.
2:11 PM <@Soulless> TheBlueDragon, think of writing as clear, strong communication
2:11 PM <@ProcyonLotor> You want to think there's some kind of Grand Lefty Conspiracy when it's just a simple matter of following the rules.
2:11 PM <Moenennbys> Nah
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2:12 PM <Moenennbys> I think its a political thing. And that's my opinion
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2:12 PM <@Soulless> TheBlueDragon, if you can communicate what you have to say clearly, and compellingly, then you can communicate all sorts of bullshit
2:12 PM <Moenennbys> And I myself am a leftist
2:12 PM <@ProcyonLotor> And it's wrong.
2:12 PM <GoodbyeMoonMan> So, I had an idea that I thought would be pretty neat to execute.
2:12 PM <@ProcyonLotor> So you don't "get it".
2:12 PM <ARD> Moenennbys: I think you're incorrect
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2:12 PM <Moenennbys> So I dunno where you're going with that
2:12 PM <subtletea> GoodbyeMoonMan: Hello, CAH friend!
2:12 PM <@minmin> oh man are we doing sad puppies hour
2:12 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, you are clearly not leftist if you think sjws are taking over scifi/fantasy literature
2:12 PM <Moenennbys> Leftists =/= liberals
2:12 PM <@Soulless> straight up lmao
2:12 PM <PotatoPerson> GoodbyeMoonMan Whats your idea?
2:12 PM <Moenennbys> I DONT
2:12 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, you just said you did
2:13 PM <Moenennbys> I WAS FUCKING WITh YOu SOULLESS
2:13 PM <Moenennbys>  I said it a while ago
2:13 PM <@AidenEldritch> I think he was joki… yeah
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2:13 PM <GoodbyeMoonMan> So, it's a tale about Eric, remember that kid?
2:13 PM <TheMadStork> sup n00bs
2:13 PM <BlackWing> minmin: Sad puppies are boring. I prefer Sick Puppies.
2:13 PM <@AidenEldritch> hi Stork
2:13 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, Given you were whining about how reddit was a sjw hellscape earlier I don't find it very funny
2:13 PM <TheMadStork> you're not a n00b
2:13 PM <Moenennbys> First of all
2:13 PM <drblackbox> I remember eric.
2:13 PM <Moenennbys> Sjws are like the fake people
2:13 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, given you were also saying 4chan is the only place you can make your supposed jokes, I don't like your idea of humor either
2:14 PM <Moenennbys> The ones who think that a hash tag can change the world
2:14 PM <TheMadStork> Moenennbys no sjw bashing pls
2:14 PM <Moenennbys> As opposed to like
2:14 PM <PotatoPerson> Holy crap I just realized there are people in site19 newer than I am
2:14 PM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, funny how the joke seems right in line with a bunch of things you've said normally.
2:14 PM <TheMadStork> it's a mind virus
2:14 PM <GoodbyeMoonMan> I thought it would be pretty neat to right a tale about his Birthday, and more specifically, about how he obtained all of those items.
2:14 PM <Moenennbys> I mean
2:14 PM <TheMadStork> scp idea: sjw bashing
2:14 PM <ARD> Moenennbys: I'm gonna be frank you're about as funny as a colonoscopy
2:14 PM <Moenennbys> When did this become a hate on people's beliefs session?
2:14 PM <PotatoPerson> GoodbyeMoonMan I'd be interested in reading that
2:14 PM <@Soulless> Moenennbys, I 100% don't buy you were joking if you were earlier whining that reddit is too sjw for your jokes and tumblr is too PC for your jokes, your jokes might be just shit at humor
2:15 PM <TheMadStork> colonoscopys are pretty funny actually, unless they find something
2:15 PM <subtletea> PotatoPerson: I'm newer than you lmao
2:15 PM <Moenennbys> Jesus christ
2:15 PM <@Soulless> PotatoPerson, what's it like in being old
2:15 PM <@Soulless> GoodbyeMoonMan, I like this idea
2:15 PM <TomTellmen> .lc
2:15 PM <%jarvis> tomtellmen: SCP-2730: Q U A C K - Q U A C K (written an hour ago by A Random Day) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2730
2:15 PM <%jarvis> tomtellmen: SCP-2497 (written an hour ago by Dr Freaky) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2497
2:15 PM <%jarvis> tomtellmen: SCP-2859: The Space Serpents (written 6 hours ago by toastedraptor) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2859
2:15 PM <Moenennbys> I'm being antagonized
2:15 PM <@Soulless> GoodbyeMoonMan, I extremely like this idea
2:15 PM <Moenennbys> Pls help
2:15 PM <Moenennbys> Someone
2:15 PM <TheMadStork> i hate that i injected n00b into the atmosphere of the chat just now
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2:15 PM <PotatoPerson> subtletea Technically yes, but I joined site19 and the actual site way after you did
2:15 PM <Moenennbys> I JUST WANTED TO DRAW
2:16 PM <@Soulless> TheMadStork, lmao
2:16 PM <TheMadStork> let's all argue about who joined first! it's so productive!
2:16 PM <GoodbyeMoonMan> I remember hearing someones idea that Eric is a kid that gives life, or anomalous properties, into objects that he has an emotional attachment to. However, he does this without knowing.
2:16 PM <@Soulless> TheMadStork, the first person ever to join was moto42
2:16 PM <@Soulless> ;)
2:16 PM <Moenennbys> And then people git razzle dazzled about a joke
2:16 PM <Moenennbys> Pls
2:16 PM <ARD> Moenennbys: you're not being antagonized. You are antagonizing members of 19
2:16 PM ProcyonLotor banned *!*@synIRC-8B432581.stonehaven.irccloud.com (+b)
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2:16 PM <subtletea> PotatoPerson: nah i'm pretty shure that I joined chat after you
2:16 PM <GoodbyeMoonMan> I really liked that idea, and thought that expanding on it might be neat,
2:16 PM <TheMadStork> :) my application was denied in 2010 because i wrote it during work and submitted the wrong document by accident
2:16 PM <subtletea> oops, that there is a netsplit
2:16 PM ← Moenennbys (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.185234B8-CRInys|316802diu) was kicked by @ProcyonLotor: Yeah, I wanted to believe you weren't trolling, but I only have so much faith.

+ Appeal

2:18 PM ProcyonLotor un-banned *!*@synIRC-8B432581.stonehaven.irccloud.com (-b)
2:19 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Invite sent
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2:19 PM <Moenennbys> Hello
2:20 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Alright, which op wants to ascend to the podium
2:20 PM <Moenennbys> I'd like to first and foremost
2:20 PM <Moenennbys> State
2:20 PM <Moenennbys> That I am not a troll
2:20 PM <Moenennbys> I've been on this chat for a long time
2:20 PM <@Silber> You were trolling.
2:20 PM <Moenennbys> And I am not purposefully trying to get myself banned or anything like that
2:20 PM <@Silber> You were saying inflammatory things in bad faith.
2:21 PM <Moenennbys> Can I have quotes
2:21 PM <Moenennbys> And does it include the joke I madr
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2:21 PM <Moenennbys> And nothing was said in bad faith either
2:21 PM <Moenennbys> I don't post things specifically to harm someone
2:21 PM <Moenennbys> I just have views
2:21 PM <@Silber> [22:06] Moenennbys Soulless: but they are tho
2:21 PM <@Silber> [22:07] Moenennbys Soulless: I cant talk political
2:21 PM <@Silber> [22:07] Moenennbys Sorry
2:22 PM <@Silber> [22:07] Moenennbys It got me banned from site17
2:22 PM <Moenennbys> And I have difficulty not expressing them
2:22 PM <Moenennbys> None of those were in bad faith
2:22 PM <@Silber> You went into a discussion, then pulled back because you "can't talk about" what you were actively talking about
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2:22 PM <Moenennbys> I genuinely think that my political views were the ultimate cause of that ban
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2:22 PM <@Silber> Then brought up your ban so you could argue about /that/
2:22 PM <Moenennbys> I wasn't in a discussion about anything regarding that
2:23 PM <Moenennbys> Soulless engaged in accusation after I said I was joking
2:23 PM <Moenennbys> And didn't really day anything
2:23 PM <Moenennbys> I was talking about my art before that
2:23 PM <@Silber> Then started telling Procyon to "not get all lecture-y" when he was just telling you what happened
2:23 PM <Moenennbys> Because he was ruining the mood
2:24 PM <Moenennbys> I was just trying to have a fun time in site19 like I always do
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2:24 PM <@ProcyonLotor> I was correcting your false statement disparaging staff.
2:24 PM <Moenennbys> And talk about art
2:24 PM <Moenennbys> It wasn't disparaging
2:24 PM <Moenennbys> I said I was surprised you guys didn't ban me from site19 too
2:24 PM <Moenennbys> And that politics led up to my ban
2:24 PM — @ProcyonLotor steps out again.
2:25 PM <@Silber> Stirring up conflict and claiming uninvolvement, going "just joking" after saying something inflammatory with a straight face, telling people to calm down when they aren't any less calm than you are — those are all basic-level moves in the internet troll playbook
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2:25 PM <Moenennbys> I said I was joking before soulless' first reply
2:26 PM <Moenennbys> And I was fairly calm
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2:26 PM <Moenennbys> At least on my end
2:26 PM <@Silber> [22:07] Moenennbys I did it just to grind your gears
2:26 PM <@Silber> [22:07] Moenennbys Did I grind them?
2:26 PM <Moenennbys> And isnt the first move in the troll playbook to like, shout a bunch of slurs
2:26 PM <Moenennbys> Yeah
2:26 PM <Moenennbys> Thats joking
2:26 PM <@Silber> "Doing it just to grind your gears" is one term for it.
2:26 PM <Moenennbys> I expected him to laugh or something
2:27 PM <Moenennbys> I didn't expect to feel persecuted
2:27 PM <@Silber> Another term for saying things just to grind others' gears is…
2:27 PM <Moenennbys> Annoy?
2:27 PM <Moenennbys> Mess with?
2:27 PM <Moenennbys> Play around?
2:27 PM <@Silber> Close.
2:27 PM <@Silber> Starts with "T".
2:27 PM <%AidenEldritch> I'll take "troll" for 5000, Alex
2:27 PM <Moenennbys> Oh
2:28 PM <Moenennbys> Well I should have worded it differently, then
2:28 PM <Moenennbys> I repeat
2:28 PM <Moenennbys> I am not a troll
2:28 PM <@Silber> You can't pick a category in the middle of someone else's answer, Aiden.
2:28 PM <@Silber> That's not how it works at all.
2:28 PM <%AidenEldritch> this is why I don't play Jeopardy, but you're in the middle of an appeal so go on
2:28 PM <Moenennbys> And I'm taking this appeal very seriously too
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2:29 PM <Moenennbys> I find it incredibly difficult to resist making comments though
2:29 PM <Moenennbys> About anything and everything
2:29 PM <@Silber> No, you worded it well.
2:29 PM <Moenennbys> I think I've talked about it before too
2:30 PM <Moenennbys> I don't think I worded it to convey the intended meaning
2:30 PM <Moenennbys> I guess
2:30 PM <@Silber> You described your actual motives, and your actual motives were to annoy them.
2:30 PM <Moenennbys> But like a playful annoyance
2:30 PM <Moenennbys> Not malicious
2:30 PM <@Silber> It's one part of a pattern.
2:31 PM <Moenennbys> Not really
2:31 PM <Moenennbys> This is like the first time this has happened
2:31 PM <Moenennbys> Ever
2:31 PM <@Silber> You were also "grinding the gears" of a few other people in chat.
2:31 PM <Moenennbys> Well why didn't they say anything?
2:32 PM <Moenennbys> Or like, message me asking to stop
2:32 PM <@Silber> Well, Procyon spoke up.
2:32 PM <Moenennbys> I can't tell when people are uncomfortable
2:32 PM <@Silber> Are you asking why nobody asked you to stop doing what you were doing if it's not allowed?
2:32 PM <@ProcyonLotor> And, as I've been mentioned, people came in here and complained about you. At length.
2:32 PM <Moenennbys> What isnt allowed?
2:32 PM <Moenennbys> Oh
2:32 PM <@Silber> Because you've been getting in trouble all day for ignoring people asking you to stop saying what you're saying
2:32 PM <Moenennbys> I didn't see that
2:33 PM <Moenennbys> Okay
2:33 PM <Moenennbys> I'll admit I was a little bit heated earlier
2:34 PM <Moenennbys> With the whole free speech incident
2:34 PM <Moenennbys> But I don't understand why NOW of all times is why I was banned
2:34 PM <Moenennbys> I wasn't being malicious
2:34 PM <Moenennbys> I was just trying to have normal conversation
2:35 PM <@Silber> Oh, to respond to your earlier remark about shouting slurs:
2:35 PM <@Silber> that's one kind of troll.
2:36 PM <@Silber> There are a few different varieties
2:36 PM <Moenennbys> I wouldn't know
2:36 PM <Moenennbys> I'm not that type of person anyways
2:36 PM <Moenennbys> I hate conflict
2:37 PM <@Silber> Then why did you keep getting into it?
2:37 PM <Moenennbys> Ardent pacifist for most of my life
2:37 PM <Moenennbys> Because I guess some of my opinions conflict with others?
2:37 PM <Moenennbys> It really feels like others escalate it more than they need to
2:37 PM <Moenennbys> In terms of tone and stuff
2:37 PM <Moenennbys> And caps
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2:38 PM <Moenennbys> And lengthiness
2:38 PM <@Silber> We're not here to discuss what kind of person you inherently are. I'm not Anubis guarding the afterlife and asking you to weigh your soul.
2:38 PM <Moenennbys> I usually just post music and draft stuff
2:38 PM <@Silber> I'm just talking about how you've acted in 17 and 19 today.
2:38 PM <Moenennbys> Yeah
2:38 PM <Moenennbys> I'm getting there
2:38 PM <Moenennbys> A lot of times
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2:38 PM <Moenennbys> Like I said
2:38 PM <Moenennbys> I have trouble holding back my thoughts
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> So when I see a topic I feel strongly about
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> It like
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> Overflows
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> So to speak
2:39 PM <@Silber> Can I offer you some advice?
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> I've been working on it with professionals along iwh other issues
2:39 PM <TheBlueDragon> I"m just watching you guys talk lol
2:39 PM <Moenennbys> If that's what you were going to say
2:40 PM <TheBlueDragon> its intriguing
2:40 PM <@ProcyonLotor> TheBlueDragon: then please don't interrrupt while this is going on.
2:40 PM <Moenennbys> Its a factor that makes forming relationships difficult
2:40 PM <Moenennbys> In general
2:40 PM <Moenennbys> I have issues in social environments
2:40 PM <Moenennbys> I kinda force myself to be in them
2:40 PM <Moenennbys> Because its supposed to be healthy
2:41 PM <Moenennbys> I'm getting off topic
2:41 PM <@Silber> You are.
2:41 PM <Moenennbys> Sorry
2:41 PM <@Silber> Unfortunately, 19 ops are not here to assist in the therapeutic process.
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2:41 PM <Moenennbys> I guess
2:41 PM <@Silber> We're here to keep chat civil and moderate when it gets too disrupted.
2:41 PM <Moenennbys> How long is the ban going to be for?
2:42 PM <Moenennbys> I Know I didn't succeed in my appeal anyways
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2:42 PM <Moenennbys> Weeklong?
2:42 PM Soulless|Shower → @Soulless
2:42 PM <Moenennbys> Or just 24 hours?
2:42 PM <@Silber> Just a second. I'll verify.
2:43 PM <@Silber> Moenennbys, it's a week.
2:43 PM <Moenennbys> Okay
2:43 PM <Moenennbys> Can you make sure the others don't antagonize me when I come back?
2:44 PM <Moenennbys> Or like
2:44 PM <Moenennbys> Hold this against me
2:44 PM subtletea → qualitea
2:44 PM <Moenennbys> And a question about weeklong bans
2:45 PM <Moenennbys> Is it 7 days or till the end of the week?
2:45 PM <Moenennbys> Like, friday
2:45 PM <@Silber> I watch other ops to make sure they're treating users fairly.
2:45 PM <@Silber> If you mean "antagonize you" in the sense of correcting you when you say incorrect things about them, I can't promise that.
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2:45 PM <@ProcyonLotor> It's a week long. A week is seven days.
2:45 PM <@ProcyonLotor> So it is seven days.
2:45 PM <Moenennbys> No, I mean like other stuff
2:45 PM <@Silber> And yes, it's seven days from now.
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2:46 PM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, if you offend people with offensive opinions, we can't and won't order them to act all buddy-buddy.
2:46 PM <@ProcyonLotor> We can't, and we wouldn't if we could.
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2:47 PM <@ProcyonLotor> I mean, you were all on about free speech earlier, weren't you? I study first amendment law and philosophy academically. It's a passion of mine.
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2:47 PM <Moenennbys> And what if you offended me?
2:47 PM <Moenennbys> Oh yes
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2:47 PM <@ProcyonLotor> And speech having social consequences is an important part of having a true free speech system.
2:47 PM <Moenennbys> Free speech is up there with things I'm very passionate about
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> Along with anarchism
2:48 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Doesn't sound like it, sounds like you want to be protected from the marketplace of ideas, my friend.
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> Nope
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> I'm just saying
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> That offensive
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> Is an implicitly objective concept
2:48 PM <Moenennbys> It cannot be explicitly weighed without bias
2:49 PM <Moenennbys> Which includes myself
2:49 PM Xiao → Sax
2:49 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Hence the marketplace of ideas. Speech competes.
2:49 PM <Moenennbys> Which is why I support either absolute free speech
2:49 PM <Moenennbys> Or no speech at all
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2:50 PM <@ProcyonLotor> "allow me to say what I like but do not let others respond" is a hell of a lot more speech-hostile than an order that applies equally to both sides of an issue, juuuust sayin'.
2:50 PM <&Quikngruvn> Hi, hello, are we done with the appeal?
2:50 PM <@Silber> Yes.
2:50 PM <@Silber> The appeal's over.
2:50 PM <&Quikngruvn> What say you, Silber?
2:50 PM <@ProcyonLotor> Take it away, mis amigos
2:50 PM <Moenennbys> I didn't say that though
2:51 PM <Moenennbys> Oh
2:51 PM <&Quikngruvn> Moen, your appeal's been denied, you're banned for a week from both 17 and 19.
2:51 PM <@Silber> Quik, I've heard Moen out and decided that the ban stands.
2:51 PM <Moenennbys> And sorry for any problems I caused
2:51 PM <&Quikngruvn> Roger that, Silber.
2:51 PM <Moenennbys> Including hurt feelings
2:51 PM <Moenennbys> Adieu
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Banned from 17, 19 for a week

Re: Moenennbys

AdminBright 28 Feb 2017 06:35

Free speech and anarchy, huh? Cause, you know, freedom of speech only applies to government censorship… and, if you believe in Anarchy, then, well, that ends up being the strong are the ones in charge… so….Yup, seven days. Tho I'm sure it will end up perma, afore too long, m'anomaly.

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Re: Moenennbys

thedeadlymoose 28 Feb 2017 08:21

I could argue with you on anarchy, Bright ( ;) ) but let's keep it simple. I'm voting for a monthlong based on the flagrant, lengthy, stop order violation, combined with the incredible foolishness. But I won't stand in the way of a weeklong if that's what people want.

Also, LordStoneFish's complaint is valid specifically because we have repeatedly told people not to be shitty and xenophobic about other communities. Ironically, I have long moderated my rhetoric on reddit myself for precisely the opposite reasons as what Moenennbys claims characterizes that community.

This isn't different than when Gargus & some others constantly shat on tumblr, just because he's complaining about "SJWs" and we're nervous about over-moderating from a liberal or leftist perspective. This has cropped up a few times recently, frankly, and it's a worrying trend, because it has the appearance of being even-handed without the actuality.

By itself it really is only worth a warning, mind. But that is taking an action.

Re: Moenennbys

(account deleted) 28 Feb 2017 22:03

Agreeing with monthlong.

Also did anyone talk to Khoast about this line? Serious question, scrolling through all that is a pain on mobile.

2:06 PM <Khoast> Draw furry incest trap moennennbys

Like seriously dude not cool.

Re: Moenennbys

(account deleted) 01 Mar 2017 00:52

Also did anyone talk to Khoast about this line?

The last thing I saw was a user complaint in 17 regarding the transphobic slur in that line, meaning we definitely saw it and acknowledged it. I'm not certain if anyone actually mentioned it to Khoast afterward, however.

Re: Moenennbys

A Random Day 01 Mar 2017 04:31

Just a heads up that TyGently privately spoke with Khoast earlier today and warned them about this behavior. I don't think it warrants a thread at this time seeing as it was a one-line first-time offense, all things considered.

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Re: Moenennbys

ProcyonLotor 28 Feb 2017 22:59

I was undecided between weeklong and a longer ban, so I'm happy to put my foot behind a month.

Re: Moenennbys

Taffeta 01 Mar 2017 00:54

Voting for monthlong.

Re: Moenennbys

Bouncl 02 Mar 2017 20:16

I will be the dissenting voice here- we should avoid nonstandard ban escalation except in egregious cases. Short of strong evidence that a longtime user is engaging in bad faith, I don't see a reason to bypass the standard that we have all agreed on. While previously the operative team has been too lenient in it's treatment of longtime users, the pendulum should not swing in the other direction. The best way to ensure consistent and fair decisions is to stick with the standard ban escalation except in unique cases.

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Re: Moenennbys

Quikngruvn 03 Mar 2017 03:03

Full disclosure time, Moenennbys PMed me about his ban this afternoon. The salient exchange:

[2017-03-02 17:08:02] <Moenennbys> Can I ask why my ban is going to be extended to 1 month?
[2017-03-02 17:08:42] <Quikngruvn> 'Cos a consensus said you deserved a month instead of a week.

The timestamps are in EST, almost two hours after Bouncl's dissenting post. I was unaware at the time of Bouncl's post, and thus unaware that there in actually wasn't consensus on the length of the ban. Regardless, I gave Moen incorrect information regarding the status of his ban. Moen, if you see this, I'm sorry I misinformed you about that. Mea culpa.

(There's probably a lesson in there about assuming staff knows everything that's been posted on 05, but I digress.)

That, um, wasn't the end of the conversation, though. That's just as much as I'm willing to post publicly (I didn't ask permission to, and honestly don't want to post the whole thing publicly). However, I am willing to make logs available to chops and chadmins because they may be pertinent (and also to check to see where else I screwed up).

Re: Moenennbys

thedeadlymoose 03 Mar 2017 05:41

Our mistake was not giving misinformation, it was not setting a timer for the ban vote to explicitly end. I think we'd already assumed it ended on Feb 28. Bouncl posted today.

Option A

I suggest we consider this a monthlong ban, and potentially consider commuting it to something shorter based on Bouncl's objection as a chat admin.

If so, then we can proceed with: What do we think? Should we dial this ban back based on the objection Bouncl raised?

I've wanted to start giving longer bans for really egregious behavior with multiple warnings involved when we believe the person is not operating in bad faith… but I could be wrong in my desire to do so.

Option B

Alternatively: Do ops/admins disagree with my suggestion — and if so, how should we handle this instead?

Re: Moenennbys

ProcyonLotor 03 Mar 2017 06:05

I mean, either way, it's 4-1. Pretty small voting group, sure, but wide margin.

Re: Moenennbys

Bouncl 03 Mar 2017 06:48

When I discuss our banning policy here, I am discussing members who have engaged with the community on more than a short term basis and were not found to be violating anything of especially dire import (e.g. harassment, impersonation).

I am not convinced this ban escalation is sufficiently justified, and I worry it is illustrative of a lack of faith in our ban escalation by the operative team.

There are obvious exceptions to "egregious behavior," however the phrase is a vague standard to base ban escalation off of. We have often gone too slowly. We have occasionally gone too fast. In cases that are emotionally charged, I feel, we are cautious with applying the standards that we have set out, as a community, to follow. The op staff has also gone through phases of banning too quickly or too slowly for a long, long time. Certainly since I have been on it. As a group we should feel a sense of duty to the guidelines we agree to follow. We should require more than a sentence of justification on raising a ban escalation, and we should certainly discuss if the escalation advances the banned person's own escalation, or if it's just a time extension of what would usually be a weeklong ban.

We are not as small as we once were (although still small,) and if we want to continue to be discerning with our kicks and bans, it is my opinion that we also must have faith in our escalation policies. Otherwise, our ability to keep up will shrink as our operative staff burns out. That's not a controversial point of view among any of the staff, I'm sure.

When we do things like escalate bans or prevent ban escalation, it either adds overhead to our workload or often lacks sufficient justification. We're not preforming rocket surgery in here, but we also have a duty to our users to provide a consistent, fair, and thoughtful enforcement of the rules. Some thought must be given when we escalate beyond the usual ban- I'm sure you all have an opinion on this case. I'm asking that you at least expand on your opinion.

If you don't feel an opinion is worth expanding on, it may not be worth a ban escalation.

Re: Moenennbys

SoullessSingularity 04 Mar 2017 14:58

I worry it is illustrative of a lack of faith in our ban escalation by the operative team.

I agree with this here. If something about the system isn't working in that we want to hop the ban-wagon (geddit?) on this guy who is vaguely a dick and passive aggressive but hasn't like, screamed slurs repeatedly or something like that, then that should be addressed instead of going on to circumvent what we have.

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Re: Moenennbys

thedeadlymoose 08 Mar 2017 22:48

[Removing this post, because it should be in a new thread.]

Please continue discussion here.

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Re: Moenennbys

ProcyonLotor 08 Mar 2017 22:49

No objections, that'd hopefully prevent this in the future.

Re: Moenennbys

SoullessSingularity 08 Mar 2017 23:01

Yes, agreed. However, I would say that if the one-sentence explanation is something like "made the position that hitler did nothing wrong" then there can be adequately short explanations. I would also like that if anyone had disagreement for escalation, escalation can be revoked as necessary on further discussion.

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Re: Moenennbys

salvagebar 26 Apr 2017 01:25

This felt like an actual call for help to me, FWIW. Unless you are a professional responder, it is a terrible idea to engage and talk to someone who is genuinely in danger and ought to be in an ambulance.

Re: Moenennbys

AbsentmindedNihilist 26 Apr 2017 10:58

I can confirm he is safely with 911 responders, having stayed online with him until they arrived.

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