AI Record - Lothli

Summary:

ai-generated idea thread in Deer College and AI-genned responses.

AI Record - Lothli

Uncle Nicolini 02 Apr 2025 19:10

User Lothli (W: 2 days) made an idea thread in DC which contained obvious signs of AI-generation.

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Seeking Greenlights: Yes

Page Type: SCP Article

Elevator Pitch: A reality bender who fiercely maintains the self-perception of being "ordinary," warping reality to accommodate this belief whenever challenged.

Central Narrative: This article would explore the human desire to be "normal" taken to anomalous extremes. Everyone wants to fit in and be accepted, but what happens when someone with reality-altering abilities desperately clings to the belief that they're ordinary? Just as many people mask neurodivergence, sexuality, or cultural differences to "pass" in society, SCP-XXXX desperately tries to convince itself and others that it's "just an ordinary gal," despite its many glaringly obvious anomalous properties. The Foundation would struggle to contain the entity as the article builds tension around that paradoxical question: How do you contain something that becomes more dangerous the more it realizes that it's not normal?

Hook/Attention-Grabber: There's a few things I hope will be hooks:
The psychological commentary mentioned in the Central Narrative, which is the core of the article itself
Playing around with how the Foundation would approach a "difficult to contain" entity that resists containment by its very nature. I like when writers portray a competent Foundation, even when faced with adversity, so I wish to emulate that myself.
The inherent humor in an entity declaring itself as "ordinary" while doing absurd reality-bending feats.

Additional Note: In terms of in-world knowledge, the most critical aspect of the entity is that it's actually a 2-part anomalous entity. It's:
A traditional reality bender, able to be suppressed by reality anchors. Only aggressively attempts to rewrite reality when its self-concept of "an ordinary gal" is challenged. The leads the Foundation to implement containment measures to reinforce that self-concept. However, it's also…
A conceptual hazard, capable of causing a drift in semantics and baseline reality. The more its self-concept of "an ordinary gal" is reinforced, the more "ordinary" drifts. This undermines reality anchors and is an indirect memetic hazard, slipping past typical Foundation defenses. This is the twist reserved for the end of the article.
The entity itself is completely unaware of either of these effects. To her, she's "just an ordinary gal."

further responses to critters appeared AI generated as well:

Sure, there's a progression of how she reacts

She'll start with recontextualization: If it's something easy to brush off (like muttering or snickering from strangers in public), she'd simply recontextualize it away as them "simply laughing/talking about something else." Since she's fairly delusional, she can get away with this in most ordinary situations, but if she can't…

She'll progress to reality reconstruction: Her reality bending powers attempt to directly rewrite the offending object. For example, if she's stuck in containment, she'd attempt to either teleport out to somewhere normal (a park, her old apartment, etc). If it's a person, she'll essentially memetically attack them to force them to see things her way, warping their perception to see her as ordinary. This is an unconscious power; nothing anomalous she does is intentional. But if under both extreme duress and unable to bend reality, such as when subjected to reality anchors…

Self-Targeted Anomalous Re-enforcement: She'll basically retreat into herself, muttering "I'm normal" and other self-reassurances. This leads to a powerful amplification effect, meaning that she'll actively grow stronger and strain harder against reality anchors or whatever else is limiting her until either they break or she simply explodes under the pressure. Either way, it'll probably lead to a nasty local CK reality restructuring scenario. I don't expect this to ever come up in the article proper, since I don't plan on writing the SCP Foundation tormenting her to this point without seeing the warning signs.

The problem is that her definition of "ordinary" already includes anomalous behavior, so if she's left to wander around, she'll naturally start doing anomalous things. To the Foundation, that means she'll need to be contained.
That reminds me of something… I'll add it as an additional note

user was issued a removal from the site, witnessed by kufat.

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Re: AI Record - Lothli

Zyn 05 Apr 2025 07:08

Of note, the user replied to the revoke message with:

Hello,
I'm not entirely certain why my idea posted to the Discord was marked as AI-generated. The idea I posted to Deer College was fully original; in fact, I have already written a full SCP article on it in the sandbox, and was in the process of going through the greenlight process to access the draft critique channels.

Here is the sandbox wikidot page: https://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/lothli:ordinary-gal
For context, I originally wrote this article for a private group of friends, who encouraged me to try and format and post the article on the main SCP wiki site. However, I have taken additional steps to attempt to fit this article into the SCP guidelines and standards, which I hope is well-reflected in the revision history of the sandbox article.

If this is about my tone of voice and way of speaking, I apologize. I have a very formal way of speaking when it comes to describing my writing, which may have come off as AI generated to a newer audience. In addition to providing the previous evidence, I would also like to provide my blog: [tumblr link removed]. This, too, should hopefully establish my way of speech as my own, and not one simply produced by a machine.

I understand that there is no lasting disciplinary consequences for this first accusation, but as a fellow writer, I hope you understand that this is a deeply hurtful accusation, and I would like to clear up any kind of misunderstanding as clearly and firmly as possible. All I am asking for here is an acknowledgment of my original idea as what it is—original.

Thank you very much.

Their sandbox, however, also has common indications of AI-generation (note, initial draft is fully-formed in revision 0):

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Excerpts of note:

Revision 0:

All personnel must undergo Memetic Conditioning Protocol XXXX-NORM prior to any interaction with SCP-XXXX. This protocol installs a class-IV linguistic anchor that prevents articulation of any descriptor for SCP-XXXX other than "ordinary." Personnel who find themselves compelled to use alternative descriptors must immediately exit the containment area and report to psychological evaluation.

• Documented anomalous abilities include but are not limited to:
• Consumption of normally inedible materials (including but not limited to: concrete, steel, ceramics, and in one case, an entire metropolitan subway train)
• Spatial manipulation, including the ability to rotate, fold, or otherwise restructure architectural elements
• Spontaneous teleportation, which SCP-XXXX describes as "thinking really hard about where I want to be"
• Communication with various fauna (although effectiveness appears inconsistent)
• Material manifestation
• Extreme physical resilience inconsistent with human biological limitations

SCP-XXXX maintains a persistent self-perception as entirely normal and non-anomalous. When confronted with evidence contradicting this self-perception, SCP-XXXX exhibits one of two response patterns:

*Recontextualization*: SCP-XXXX will reframe the anomalous occurrence as mundane, often attributing it to qualities supposedly common to all "ordinary gals"
*Reality Restructuring*: In cases where recontextualization fails, SCP-XXXX may unconsciously alter localized reality to accommodate her self-perception

Closing Statement: Following this interview, SCP-XXXX's file has been updated to prevent any testing protocols that might suggest to SCP-XXXX that she possesses extraordinary qualities. Researcher personnel are reminded that SCP-XXXX's perception of herself as "ordinary" appears to be the only factor preventing potentially catastrophic reality restructuring events.

Addendum XXXX-5: Additional Notable Containment Breaches

The following is a non-exhaustive list of containment breaches by SCP-XXXX:

Revision 17 added this text:

CRITICAL UPDATE: Recent theoretical analysis suggests that our containment procedures may be reinforcing SCP-XXXX's anomalous effects rather than inhibiting them. Research is ongoing to determine if an alternative containment approach is feasible. Until then, current procedures must be maintained to prevent immediate containment failure. See Addendum XXXX-7 for preliminary findings.

of note, the addendum XXXX-7 is:

Addendum XXXX-7: Research Note from Dr. ███████
Recent analysis suggests that SCP-XXXX's anomalous properties increase proportionally to attempts made to convince it of its extraordinary nature. It is my hypothesis that SCP-XXXX exists in a state of quantum superposition between "ordinary" and… another descriptor I'm not allowed to think or write. Each confirmation of its ordinariness strengthens the "ordinary" state, while each suggestion of extraordinariness causes reality to compensate by making it more [TERM REDACTED] to maintain its self-perception.

In layman's terms, the more we try to convince it that it's not ordinary, the more it overcompensates in order to redefine "ordinary" to include its new capabilities. I recommend immediate cessation of all testing focused on establishing the limits of SCP-XXXX's abilities.
— Dr. ███████, Senior Researcher

and it is at the end of the draft, after 9 listed containment breaches. Revision 19 removes six of the nine listed breach incidents.

Revision 20 changes the addendum title to -6, while the "critical update" notice still refers to XXXX-7, and the text following addendum 6 (Addendum XXXX-8: GOC Termination Attempt) is not updated either. This discrepancy is never corrected, even after addendum XXXX-6 receives significantly more text additions, most of which are not "preliminary findings".

Revision 23 adds the following text with excess spaces (another AI indicator):

Troublingly, I've begun to notice patterns suggesting the entity may be more complex than a standard reality bender. There is preliminary evidence that SCP-XXXX could potentially represent what we might term a "conceptual hazard" - an entity capable of altering not just physical reality but the very concepts we use to understand reality. Our linguistic containment protocols (referring to it as "ordinary") may paradoxically be reinforcing its anomalous nature rather than simply appeasing it.

If this hypothesis proves accurate, we face a concerning paradox: if we enforce harsher containment procedures, the more the entity's reality-bending abilities increase; but the more we treat it as ordinary, the more we may be allowing a conceptual contamination that expands the definition of "ordinary" itself.

I stress that this remains purely theoretical at present. Research is ongoing, and we have insufficient data to draw firm conclusions. Until we better understand these mechanisms, current containment procedures must be maintained without modification to prevent immediate containment breach events. The stability offered by our present approach, even if imperfect, remains preferable to the unpredictable consequences of significant protocol changes.

— Dr. ███████, Senior Researcher

Revision 31 makes (some seemingly superfluous) wording changes:

Dr. Williams: That's good to hear. I wanted to ask you about what happened yesterday with the tablet.

Dr. Williams: That's good to hear. I wanted to discuss what happened yesterday with the tablet you found.

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[Note: At this point, reality stabilization measures registered a 0.8% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: What makes you think the information in those files is real?

SCP-XXXX: [laughs] Well, it has to be! You guys are running this whole big facility thing. Though some of those creatures sound pretty wild. Like that statue that moves when you're not looking? Creepy!

Dr. Williams: I see. And did you have any sort of… ordinary reaction to reading those files? Like wishing for these strange creatures to be more ordinary?

SCP-XXXX: [frowns] I don't think so, right? I mean, there are lots of strange and wonderful things out there. There would be no reason to try and force them to be ordinary like me!

[Note: Reality stabilization measures registered a 0.8% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: When you read about these unusual creatures, did you have any thoughts about them?

SCP-XXXX: [thoughtfully] Well, they seemed pretty lonely, actually. I wondered if they just wanted to be accepted for who they are.

Dr. Williams: And what about the file labeled SCP-XXXX?

SCP-XXXX: [slight frown] That one was weird. It described normal, everyday things I do like they were special somehow. Like, it said eating trains was "a-no-ma-lous." [laughs] But all ordinary gals eat trains sometimes! It's just a regular snack preference.

Dr. Williams: Would you say you're extraordinary in any way?

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[Note: Reality stabilization measures registered a 4.3% deviation from baseline]

SCP-XXXX: [expression changes to visible distress] Me? No! I'm an ordinary gal! Why would you say something like that? I'm not special! I'm just me!

[Note: Reality stabilization measures registered a 17.2% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: I apologize. You're absolutely ordinary.

SCP-XXXX: [calming] That's better. I was worried for a second that you might think I was weird or special or unique or different or unusual or remarkable or noteworthy or distinctive or—

[SCP-XXXX continues to list synonyms for "special" for 34 seconds. Reality stabilization measures register a decline in deviation, down to 5.2% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: Would you like to return to your room now?

SCP-XXXX: Sure! I love living in my ordinary room! Just like any ordinary gal does!

<End Log>

[Note: Reality stabilization measures returned to 2.3% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: [leaning forward] Hypothetically speaking, what would you think if someone suggested you had extraordinary abilities?

[Note: Dr. Williams deviated from protocol by using the prohibited descriptor "extraordinary" in reference to SCP-XXXX]

SCP-XXXX: [expression changes to visible distress] Me? No! I'm an ordinary gal! Why would you say something like that? I'm not special! I'm just me!

[Note: Reality stabilization measures spiked to 17.2% deviation from baseline, minor reality fluctuations detected in adjacent sectors]

Dr. Williams: [quickly] I apologize. You're absolutely ordinary.

SCP-XXXX: [calming] That's better. I was worried for a second that you might think I was weird or special or unique or different or unusual or remarkable or noteworthy or distinctive or—

[SCP-XXXX continues to list synonyms for "special" for 34 seconds. Reality stabilization measures register a decline in deviation, down to 5.2% deviation from baseline]

Dr. Williams: Would you like to return to your room now?

SCP-XXXX: [cheerfully] Sure! I love my ordinary room! Just like any ordinary gal does!

<End Log>

Revision 35 removes the adverbs (another AI indicator) appended to the interview log:

• SCP-XXXX: [excitedly] :** Oh my gosh
• SCP-XXXX: [thoughtfully] :** Well
• SCP-XXXX: [confidently] :** Well,
• SCP-XXXX: [calming] :** That's better.
• SCP-XXXX: [cheerfully] :** Sure!

Revision 36 removes the last sentence ("Countermeasures are in development.") in this log:

Breach #9 (██/██/20██) - Ongoing: Foundation analysts have detected a concerning pattern suggesting SCP-XXXX may be gradually altering baseline reality to match its perception of "ordinariness." Quarterly reality baseline measurements indicate a 0.03% shift toward SCP-XXXX's definition of "ordinary" each month. If this trend continues, projections suggest that within ██ years, SCP-XXXX's anomalous properties may become genuinely "ordinary" by consensus reality standards. Countermeasures are in development.

Revision 39 removes the line "I recommend immediate cessation of all testing focused on establishing the limits of SCP-XXXX's abilities." from an addendum, and also makes a significant change/addition to text:

I stress that this remains purely theoretical at present. Research is ongoing, and we have insufficient data to draw firm conclusions. Until we better understand these mechanisms, current containment procedures must be maintained without modification to prevent immediate containment breach events. The stability offered by our present approach, even if imperfect, remains preferable to the unpredictable consequences of significant protocol changes.

changed to:

One such harsher containment measure currently in development is Protocol XXXX-LEXICAL, which would utilize a rotating set of mundane, non-superlative adjectives when referring to the entity. This approach would attempt to prevent the conceptual reinforcement that occurs when repeatedly using "ordinary" while avoiding terms that trigger its defensive reality alterations. The protocol would follow a predetermined schedule, cycling through descriptors such as "regular," "standard," "typical," "common," and "unremarkable" at 72-hour intervals.

However, I must emphasize that implementing Protocol XXXX-LEXICAL could potentially increase the entity's reality-bending aptitude if it perceives this variation as a challenge to its self-concept. The entity's unstable nature and extreme sensitivity to terminology make this protocol particularly risky.

SCP-XXXX's conceptual contamination abilities make it particularly dangerous should it interpret any linguistic rotation as an attempt to categorize it as something other than what it believes itself to be. Protocol XXXX-LEXICAL, despite its theoretical merits, represents exactly the type of containment escalation that could provoke more severe reality restructuring events.

I stress that this remains purely theoretical at present. Until we better understand these mechanisms, current containment procedures must be maintained without modification to prevent immediate containment breach events. The stability offered by our present approach, even if imperfect, remains preferable to the unpredictable consequences of significant protocol changes.

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Re: AI Record - Lothli

Zyn 06 Apr 2025 21:53

Given the above, staff has voted to permanently ban the user. Ban enacted, PM sent; Esperion, Kufat, and afto supporting.

Additional note for reference, from zoobeeny:

Taking a brief gander at the Tumblr page, there's a lot of stories written there that have the same tone as AI writing, which initially made me consider that the user just has a style that is reminiscent of AI, but the hallmarks located on the sandbox are a bit too damning. No one adds closing remarks like that.

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Re: AI Record - Lothli

Zyn 09 Apr 2025 04:53

Noting that I have received the following response to the ban message:

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NOTE: It seems that I am not allowed to preview the message I have written before sending it, and from what I remember, there is no edit function for DMs on WikiDot. Therefore, if this message is unreadable, please see here for a copy of this DM: [google docs link removed]

Thank you.

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Hello,
This is my appeal for my kick and subsequent permanent AI ban from the SCP Wiki. O5 forum link here: https://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-17087126/ai-record-lothli

Most of my appeal will be greatly expounded upon in the two Google Document links that are attached to this DM. However, as it is a 34-page document at time of writing, I will summarize the contents here.

Introduction.

• I introduce the document and the reasoning behind why I cannot provide the original document's Revision History in full, due to it being owned under an account with my legal name.

Timeline

• I go over the creation of the idea, from its genesis on 3/21 all the way until my Greenlight Idea was posted onto Deer College, with attached screenshots to prove my timeline as legitimate.

Core Ideas

• I go over the two core ideas that fueled the creation of SCP-XXXX - Ordinary Gal, as proof for the fact that the idea itself was human generated.
• Response to O5 Thread
• In this section, I go over every single excerpt found in the O5 thread that led to my permanent ban, stating the human reasoning behind the choices I made for each excerpt.

TL;DR and Final Thoughts

• The TL;DR is a three sentence thesis of my entire document.
• The Final Thoughts section is my elaboration on my thoughts as a person and the reasoning for why this document has been provided to you in this fashion.

Additional Raw Evidence

• I have provided all of my social media accounts where I have posted my writing.
• I have provided multiple vouches from both moderators and regular members of the writing community r/WritingPrompts on Reddit, of which I am a community member in.
• I have provided my full browsing history from 9:00 pm on 3/30 to 2:04 am on 3/31 to prove that I have put effort into researching the SCP Wiki's foundational rules as well as wiki syntax, both of which I hope will establish myself as someone who wished to genuinely engage with the community as a human.
• I have provided this message, which I had originally written in the Google Doc, as proof that this segment of the appeal is also not AI generated.

Now, onto the documents. I have two that I wish to present:

The first is the original copy with full edit permissions. This allows anyone who clicks on the link to peruse the entire Revision History of the document, and therefore is the most conclusive proof I can provide that nothing in that document or this message is AI generated. Please keep this version of the document private, as anyone who can click on the link can edit it, meaning posting it publicly may lead to vandalism.

Link here: [google docs link removed]

The second is the public copy, which I would like to be posted on the O5 Thread publicly. I go into further detail in the document, but my ultimate goal is to clear my name as a writer, and not necessarily to be unbanned from this community. It is my hope that even if you reject my appeal, you keep this document as a public record on the O5 Thread.

Link here: [google docs link removed]

As a final piece of good faith, here is proof that I know of the Site Rules: https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/site-rules

And that I have visited the appeals process section of the document:

• Take the appeals process seriously. Rule 0 still applies, especially in appeals.
• Abusive language will not be tolerated in appeals and will be grounds for immediate rejection of the appeal.
• Consider your words before you say them. Do they adequately respond to the reason for the initial ban? Stay on-topic.
• Once a decision on appeal is made, it is done. Continuing to hassle additional staffers is generally frowned upon. We will know if you go to multiple staff to ask.
• Take the time to read through the 05 thread(s) that led up to the ban. If you don’t understand what something means, ask for clarification. We don’t want to hide information, we want everything to be as clear as possible.

Thank you very much for your time and effort as moderators of the SCP Wiki. I understand that I am asking a lot of you to review such a large document, but when my lesser attempts to prove myself have been deemed insufficient, I have no other choice.

If there is any other proof that I can provide, so long as it does not expose my real name, I am willing to append to the documents or provide to the SCP Admins in DMs.

Best,
Lothli

ETA: also, 11 minutes after the initial PM, I received this message:

Hello,
Apologies, but it seems that due to accidentally refreshing the page while trying to figure out how to preview my previous message, I had de-linked my message to you as a reply to this ban notice. I would like to put forward my previous DM to you as the text of the appeal I wish to submit.

Thanks,
Lothli.

Due to the current handling of google file sharing links, the google docs links have all been removed, pending staff consensus to post the link the user has requested be made public. For now, I have sent the following reply:

I will forward your appeal to staff. With regards to previewing messages before sending, the "Preview" button is located below the wikidot message typing window, between the red "Cancel" button and blue "Send" button.

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Re: AI Record - Lothli

Kufat 17 Apr 2025 10:21

Staff have discussed the appeal and consensus was to decline it. Zoobeeny, Zyn, Ari voting to decline; no votes to accept. User has been PMed. They may submit another appeal one year from today.