Takov

Summary:

Xenophobic immature shitpost, failure to drop topic when multiple ordinary users are clearly uncomfortable

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Takov

(account deleted) 13 Feb 2016 00:36

TL;DR: Someone liked CB, Takov responded with "No it's shit", failed to drop topic despite others being clearly and fairly annoyed

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00:15 Konquer Well , SCP:CB was fun. Atmospheric , many SCP's , but it's animations and graphics make it more "fun" that should
00:15 Oboebandgeek99 like the one that was a short rpg
00:15 AJMansfield All that really matters is if we're cool yet.
00:15 Oboebandgeek99 .sea SCP-RPG
00:15 Takov No, it was shit
00:15 Alexandra Oboebandgeek99: SCP-RPG(SCP-245, Rating:82) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-245
00:16 Decibelle eh, CB is fun
00:16 Decibelle people on the site just get tired of hearing about it, understandably so
00:16 Takov It's amazing that someone actually made a playable game in Blitz3D sure, but that's it
00:16 AJMansfield plus its windoze only
00:17 Oboebandgeek99 takov people are allowed to like things you dont like (or are sick of hearing)
00:17 Takov Oboebandgeek99: Don't strawman me
00:17 Oboebandgeek99 ok ok im not trying to strawman anyone
00:18 Takov I am fully allowed to express my dislike for something just as another is allowed to express their like
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00:18 Takov And we are allowed to disagree as long as we aren't jerks, usually
00:18 AJMansfield you guys just need to calm down
00:18 Oboebandgeek99 sorry you just kinda kept pressing the issue that didnt need to be pressed i'll keep quiet
00:19 AJMansfield cut it
00:19 Takov AJMansfield: I'm….calm?
00:19 AJMansfield ok good
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00:19 Takov Dude, it's all text on a screen to me
00:19 Oboebandgeek99 which makes it hard to convey intent and tone
00:19 not-cheese Hello.
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00:20 Oboebandgeek99 hey not-cheese
00:20 AJMansfield nah, don't lie to me, you both sounded pretty riled by this little argument
00:20 AJMansfield don't give me that bs
00:20 Takov AJMansfield: ayy
00:20 Takov lmao
00:20 Takov You are wrong

PMs with Takov:

00:31 Tuomey Hey, you got a minute?
00:31 Takov Yes?
00:31 Tuomey Due to the events in these logs, I have to give you an official warning http://pastebin.com/WGyGdRB0
00:32 Takov I see.
00:32 Tuomey Responding in such a hostile manner to someone saying they like something is disruptive, as is failing to drop the topic. This is also somewhat xenophobic and, frankly, a little immature as well.
00:33 Takov Fair enough, and you're right.

I'm told other people may have logs of Takov being warned previously - I know I've spoken to him about similar behaviour informally - if so, please post them here.

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User Complaint Re: Takov

(account deleted) 03 Mar 2016 20:02

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19:15	TheRaven	To show that you can.
19:15	GreenWolf	like, the big advantage of nuclear thermal jet engines is that you don't need propellant
19:15	EmberTech	A demonstation of American technology
19:15	BlackWing	qptain_Nemo: bragging rights
19:15	GreenWolf	so you can fly them in any atmosphere
19:15	qptain_Nemo	:/
19:16	EmberTech	Also, we had been unable to land probes on the moon so far
19:16	EmberTech	The Soviets had
19:16	FFTransform	"we choose to blow up the moon not because it is easy, but because it is hard"
19:16	DrEdmonds	'Yeah, humans destroyed their satellite, what you gonna do aliens"
19:16	EmberTech	*"because it is fucking awesome"
19:16	qptain_Nemo	bragging about your stupidity is a questionable choice
19:16	GreenWolf	"We choose to blow up the Moon because the Soviets are winning the space race. If we can't have the Moon, no one can!"
19:16	BlackWing	We don't have enough nuke to blow up the moon
19:16	BlackWing	sadly
19:17	EmberTech	There were proposals to go to the moon with Project Orion
19:17	Takov	We do
19:17	GreenWolf	no, but we could give it a good whupping
19:17	Takov	Or at least used
19:17	DrEdmonds	"Of course, with the money spent on the Nuke we could have sent a man to the moon first, but oh well"
19:17	Takov	to*
19:17	BlackWing	Takov: We have enough to blow a large crater in the moon, but not completely blow it up
19:17	GreenWolf	Takov: the gravitational binding energy of the moon is far far far greater than the energy in all our nukes
19:17	EmberTech	until the US government got cockblocked by the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty
19:17	kaktus	Afternoon, 19.
19:17	Takov	BlackWing: If you wanna be technical like that there's also not enough nukes to blow up Earth
19:17	GreenWolf	Cockblocking the US government/military is usually a good thing
19:17	EmberTech	GreenWolf which makes Halo's NOVA bomb simultaneously insane and glorious
19:17	BlackWing	EmberTech: That just means we can't weaponize space
19:18	GreenWolf	BlackWing: nuclear weaponize
19:18	GreenWolf	conventional weapons and lasers are totes okay
19:18	BlackWing	Takov: There isn't. But there is enough to destroy all live
19:18	FFTransform	afternoon kaktus
19:18	BlackWing	Thought those were covered as well. Or is that a separate treaty?
19:18	GreenWolf	.w Polyus (Spacecraft)
19:18	Alexandra	GreenWolf: The Polyus spacecraft (Russian: Полюс, pole), also known as Polus, Skif-DM, GRAU index 17F19DM, was a prototype orbital weapons platform designed to destroy SDI satellites with a megawatt carbon-dioxide laser. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyus_%28spacecraft%29
19:19	GreenWolf	Nope, there are no treaties preventing the weaponization of space
19:19	GreenWolf	what's stopping it is that there's not much point
19:19	EmberTech	I thought there was one, tho
19:19	GreenWolf	anti-ballistic missile treaties limit our anti-ICBM defenses
19:19	GreenWolf	so no SDI
19:19	GreenWolf	and if we need to shoot down a spy sat, we can use an anti-sat missile launched from a fighter jet
19:20	GreenWolf	and there's not really anything in space to fight over
19:20	EmberTech	yet
19:20	GreenWolf	because everything is either too far away, or so common to not be valuable
19:20	EmberTech	The moon has Helium-3 tho
19:20	GreenWolf	there are never going to be helium-3 resource conflicts
19:21	BlackWing	Yet
19:21	BlackWing	There will always be conflicts
19:21	GreenWolf	for one, the entire idea of mining helium-3 from the moon for fusion reactors is so ludicrous
19:21	BlackWing	Humans are conflicts
19:21	EmberTech	Also, there is a treaty saying you can't put nukes in space
19:21	GreenWolf	like, there's no way you could do that and get a net energy gain out of it
19:22	GreenWolf	and mineral resources are common as dirt
19:22	GreenWolf	there's an asteroid out in the Main Belt that contains more iron than all the iron in the earth's crust
19:22	GreenWolf	several orders of magnitude more
19:23	famine_	Soulless
19:23	famine_	e_e
19:23	GreenWolf	hell, even for minerals which are only found in small amounts in the core of asteroids, there are so many asteroids that your supply is practically limitless
19:24	Soulless	famine_: pm
19:24	GreenWolf	certainly, the available supply massively exceeds demand, and will continue to do so for centuries at the current rate of population growth
19:24		* Decibelle is now known as Deci|AFK
19:24	GreenWolf	there is enough space for everyone
19:25	BlackWing	But I want more space!
19:25	BlackWing	FIRE ZE MISSILES!
19:25	TheRaven	The problem is that the resources to /get/ to space aren't really available to the public
19:25	GreenWolf	the only thing that could maybe be considered scarce are slots in geostationary orbit
19:26	GreenWolf	TheRaven: that's changing though
19:26	GreenWolf	the cost of launching a small satellite into orbit is now easily within the range of most university labs
19:26	GreenWolf	and even some (private and expensive) high schools
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19:27	GreenWolf	actually, it's been that way for a while now, but we're seeing a surge in the volume of space launches, which means that it's easier for a uni to get a slot as a secondary or tertiary payload
19:28	DrEdmonds	Guys, is there any RP that operates in CET?
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19:28	famine_	can i tell that i am a ghost IRL in The Leak
19:28	GreenWolf	DrEdmonds: the RPs don't really operate in timezones
19:28	GreenWolf	origins has people from all over
19:28	GreenWolf	including a bunch of europeans
19:28	DrEdmonds	I mean the chat ones
19:28	TheRaven	GreenWolf: yeah, but what you're talking about is stuff like asteroid mining, the tech for that will take a long-ass time to trickle down, if ever
19:28	DrEdmonds	Origins is a bit weird for me
19:28	GreenWolf	So do I
19:29	GreenWolf	TheRaven: true
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19:29	DrEdmonds	The whole idea of RP over the forums is weird to me
19:29	GreenWolf	but Musk has shaken up the market. He's forcing other launch providers to look at their costs and figure out how to cut them if they want to stay in business
19:29	TheRaven	…Origins is IRC-based
19:30	Lily	DrEdmonds: origins is- what raven said
19:30	DrEdmonds	Oh, then I mixed them up
19:30	DrEdmonds	Great, I'll surely be joining a session or two
19:30	BlackWing	I don't see asteroid mining till we have a a decent enough space station or at least a Lunar base
19:30	GreenWolf	although Arianespace is getting hit the hardest
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19:31	GreenWolf	BlackWing: a lunar base is not a necessary requirement for asteroid mining
19:31	DrEdmonds	I don't see asteroid mining until people realize we are running out of resources
19:31	GreenWolf	in fact, there's no real point to building a lunar base
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19:31	GreenWolf	any minerals worth getting on the moon can be gotten easier from asteroids
19:31	GreenWolf	without having to fight against a huge gravity well
19:31	Lily	Wolf but it'd be /cool/
19:31	BlackWing	Not just because it's cool
19:31	Lily	So it's worth it
19:32	BlackWing	And I'm not just talking about mining purposes
19:32	GreenWolf	this is why space exploration basically died in the 70s
19:32	GreenWolf	because you people want things that are cool, not things that are practical and important
19:32	BlackWing	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_Moon#Advantages_and_disadvantages
19:32	GreenWolf	the Moon is a distraction
19:32	GreenWolf	hell, settling on planets at all is a distraction
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19:33	Lily	I wasn't serious :p
19:33	GreenWolf	build some big self-sustaining stations/arkships and send them off into the cosmos
19:33	DrEdmonds	Unless it's required it really is a distraction
19:33	TheRaven	Asteroid mining has so much potential to be disruptive to Earth's economy, I can honestly see why nobody has seriously tried it
19:34	GreenWolf	Yeah
19:34	GreenWolf	There are some people who are pretty determined though
19:34	DrEdmonds	The whole concept of economy is a bit dumb for me
19:34	BlackWing	Cause no one wants to put in the capital necessary to even try to capture an NEA to start mining?
19:34	GreenWolf	the question is if world governments can act fast enough to step in before the economy crashes if those people manage to succeed
19:35	GreenWolf	BlackWing: because it would make mineral resources worthless
19:35	DrEdmonds	Like, it is based off of a shiny metal
19:35	Silber	DrEdmonds: what?
19:35	GreenWolf	massive surplus supply
19:35		* Deci|AFK is now known as Decibelle
19:35	GreenWolf	actually, most economies are based off fist currencies now
19:35	BlackWing	You make it sound like a conspiracy against the concept, GreenWolf
19:35	DrEdmonds	Fist currencies?
19:35	GreenWolf	BlackWing: I mean, it kind of is
19:36	GreenWolf	*fiat
19:36	GreenWolf	Like, the people who have the technology to mine asteroids
19:36	GreenWolf	would also be the people who would lose a shit ton of money from asteroid mining
19:36	TheRaven	Basically every major corporation and government has a vested interest in not letting asteroid mining become a thing.
19:36	GreenWolf	also, government regulation is almost certain, because the alternative is a world wide economic collapse
19:36	DrEdmonds	But, of course, once they run out of resources, they will encourage it
19:37	GreenWolf	too late then
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19:37	GreenWolf	need resources to get to space
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19:37	GreenWolf	capitalism will doom this species to a single planet
19:37	GreenWolf	and thus extinction
19:37	DrEdmonds	Well, if they are dumb enough not to at least make a stockpile, they don't deserve to get off this planet
19:37	PossessedInkieShark	YAY
19:38	DrEdmonds	I agree
19:38	GreenWolf	Fortunately, it looks like there might be enough people with the means and motivation to do what needs to be done who don't care about crashing the economy
19:38	GreenWolf	we'll see
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19:38	Fiesta	HEYA
19:39	GreenWolf	best case, short-term, would be governments stepping in to regulate the influx of asteroid metal into terran markets
19:39	DrEdmonds	Which will turn into a worst case scenario pretty fast
19:39	GreenWolf	keep supplies artificially low to prevent a crash
19:40	GreenWolf	ehh, they would have a lot of motivation to not destroy the economy
19:40	TheRaven	That only requires one group refusing to play ball to bring the whole thing down, though
19:40	GreenWolf	yeah
19:41	TheRaven	And honestly, if you put the money into capturing a resource-rich asteroid and mining it, odds are you'll tell the government to get fucked
19:41	DrEdmonds	That's my point
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19:41	GreenWolf	the ideal thing would be if the supply was slowly but steadily increased over time, gradually reducing the costs of metals
19:41	Takov	GreenWolf: You're aware of all the difficulties of space flight right?
19:41	GreenWolf	until you hit post-scarcity
19:41	GreenWolf	Takov: very
19:41	Lily	Hey fiesta :p
19:41	Takov	And that post-scarcity is purely fiction?
19:42	GreenWolf	I mean, we have post-scarcity of lots of thing already
19:42	GreenWolf	air, for example
19:42	BlackWing	https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-astronaut-scott-kelly-returns-safely-to-earth-after-one-year-mission
19:42	Takov	I guess you've never been to China
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19:42	GreenWolf	But yeah, when I say post-scarcity, I mean near post-scarcity
19:42	Takov	where at one point they had to pass out bottles of clean air because there was so much shit in the air
19:42	Silber	fist currency
19:42	GreenWolf	even in a society where all resources are not-scarce
19:42	Silber	"give me these goods or I'll punch you"
19:43	DrEdmonds	Lol
19:43	GreenWolf	you still have scarcity of time
19:43	Takov	"Post-scarcity" is not a term that should be used outside of fiction.
19:43		BlackWing punches Silber and takes his stuff
19:43	GreenWolf	and thought
19:43	GreenWolf	Takov: It's an entirely valid economic term
19:43	TheRaven	Post-scarcity really applies to information now, as much as certain groups don't want it to
19:44	Takov	Yes, an utopian one
19:44	Takov	a*
19:44	GreenWolf	not really?
19:44	Takov	How is it not?
19:45	GreenWolf	Like, there's nothing inherently unobtainable about increasing supply of certain resources to the point where they have little intrinsic value
19:46	GreenWolf	Now, if we actually had asteroid mining, there would still be costs and such. But it would be for the time/effort needed to obtain them, not for the minerals themselves.
19:46	Takov	>asteroid mining
19:46	GreenWolf	and at large scales, that cost is marginal
19:46	Takov	Are you serious?
19:46	Dr_Leonard	clearly asteroid mining doesn't exist
19:46	Takov	What can we get from asteroids that don't we already have?
19:46	Takov	And can actually use?
19:46	GreenWolf	Takov, the entire point of this discussion was that we were discussing what the economic impact of asteroid mining would he
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19:46	GreenWolf	*be
19:46	GreenWolf	so yes, I am serious
19:47	Takov	I'm almost positive it wouldn't be worth the cost.
19:47	GreenWolf	Takov: Every single metal lighter than plutonium
19:47	GreenWolf	and in quantities that far outstrip any conceivable human demand
19:47	DrEdmonds	I think it would pay off on the long run
19:47	GreenWolf	hence the whole post-scarcity thing
19:48	DrEdmonds	Not immediately, but it would
19:48	Takov	>One requirement needed for financial feasibility is a high return on investments estimating around 30%.[59] Example calculation assumes for simplicity that the only valuable material on asteroids is platinum. On September 5, 2008 platinum was valued at US$1,340 per ounce, or US$43,000 per kilogram. For a 10% return on investment, 173,400 kg (5,575,000 ozt) of platinum would have to be…
19:48	Takov	…extracted for every 1,155,000 tons of asteroid ore. For a 50% return on investment 1,703,000 kg (54,750,000 ozt) of platinum would have to be extracted for every 11,350,000 tons of asteroid ore.
19:48	Takov	Good luck with that.
19:49	GreenWolf	for example, 16 Psyche is a giant spheroid of nickel-iron which contains several orders of magnitude more iron than all the iron in the Earth's crust
19:49	TheRaven	That's an astoundingly stupid example calculation
19:49	Takov	TheRaven: Blame Wikipedia :P
19:49	GreenWolf	okay, you know what, we were actually having a civil discussion here, and then you jump in without bothering to figure out what we're discussing and start calling us idiots
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19:50	GreenWolf	Could you maybe not do that please?
19:50	Takov	I never called anyone an idiot in this discussion.
19:51	Dr_Leonard	I didn't call anyone an idiot.
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19:51	Dr_Leonard	…wait who are you talking to?
19:51	GreenWolf	it was heavily implied by your tone
19:51	GreenWolf	Dr_Leonard: takov
19:51	Dr_Leonard	oh.
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19:51	BlackWing	And about postscarcity; It's currently theoretical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy
19:52	Takov	GreenWolf: That doesn't translate to me giving an actual insult.
19:52	Tuomey	GreenWolf, Takov, either kiss or break it up
19:52		Takov French kisses GreenWolf
19:52	GreenWolf	:/

Following this discussion on asteroid mining I receieved a complaint from a user who wishes to remain anonymous, who stated "I'm tired of Takov jumping into discussions, intentionally missing the point of the discussion so he can troll the people talking, then acting like he didn't do anything when called on it"

I'm honestly not really sure that's what happened here, but I agreed to post the complaint and I'd like other ops to weigh in.

Re: User Complaint Re: Takov

Decibelles 03 Mar 2016 20:24

Takov legitimately has displayed that behavior, since before this thread got made (and getting off with several light/non-warnings) and after. So that is a thing that is frequently done.

There's just, well, none of that on display here. The closest he gets is ">asteroid mining", but that's… nothing really. This particular log is a non-issue.

Re: User Complaint Re: Takov

djkaktus 03 Mar 2016 20:26

Nothing is happening here that really warrants a response. Two users got to bickering, they got told to stop, they stopped. I'm aware that Takov has a history, but there's not much going on here.

Re: User Complaint Re: Takov

thedeadlymoose 03 Mar 2016 21:44

I don't agree. The complaint is legitimate, but overstated.

I see two users acting disruptively here: Takov and GreenWolf. It both fits established patterns on both users' parts. Takov didn't bother reading the upscroll and his tone certainly could be taken as mocking in context. GreenWolf seems to flip out every time people disagree with him, however mild or valid the disagreement, and exaggerates the slight done to him (Takov wasn't calling anyone an idiot, even when you read his tone as mocking).

I also don't see sufficient circumstantial evidence of Takov intentionally missing the point of discussion. Looks to me like he just didn't read the upscroll and saw an argument to jump in on. That's disruptive, but it's not deliberate trolling so much as being foolish. And both users were needlessly aggressive.

I don't think we need to take action here, but both Takov and GreenWolf need to improve their behavior, and should be told so. This is why we can give any user multiple warnings if we see fit; I think sometimes we're in danger of saying there's no issue if we don't feel something's sufficient to escalate the ban track over. And then users quite fairly think we ban escalate pretty much for no reason, because it sure looks like no reason from the outside.

(Stating for the record since no one else has, but this has been discussed repeatedly amongst ops: I'm aware that other instances where Takov acted badly enough to be banned have never been logged. However, I think most of those were prior to the warning listed at the top of this thread, so… shrug, I guess.)

EDIT: I talked to GreenWolf, logged here

Last edited on 03 Mar 2016 22:11 by thedeadlymoose Show more

Re: Takov

(account deleted) 25 Jun 2016 15:03

So I joined 19 and this was happening

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15:49	Takov	The article itself notes that there's been debate over what the word he used meant
15:50	Roxie	Takov: It also mentions that that phrase had been, for years, used to mean "Trans woman" by that point,
15:51	Roxie	and that the fella who said it started by saying "She's not a woman" (obviously transphobic, but it's clear in what he meant to say)
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15:51	Takov	Or
15:51	Fiesta	Humm…
15:51	Takov	That Samus was originally designed as a man but they decided to make her a woman later on
15:52	Takov	Also literally every piece of media has called her a woman
15:52	Takov	None of the games nor the manga make even the slightest reference to her being trans in any way, shape or form.
15:53	Silber	to be fair
15:53	Roxie	Takov: Okay, so one, one of those things ISN'T true.
15:53	Silber	that doesn't mean anything about whether she's trans or not
15:53	Takov	Hell, he could've just been joking.
15:53	Silber	trans women are women
15:53	Fiesta	Wait, gender-related discussions again? Oh, I um, shall leave then, I guess :L
15:53	Roxie	Many, many pieces of media have called her a man. So you're just wrong on that account.
15:53	Roxie	Secondly, she is STILL A WOMAN even though she's trans so… of course she'd be referred to as a woman?
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15:53	Takov	Roxie: Matsuoka isn't even the creator of Metroid
15:53	Roxie	Takov: I was wrong on that account
15:53	Roxie	and I apologize
15:54	Takov	http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Hirofumi_Matsuoka >Hirofumi Matsuoka was one of the background designers for Metroid.
15:54	Roxie	Takov: He also helped design Samus Aran
15:54	Takov	>A later interview with Yoshio Sakamoto would later joke about the same quote from said interview, saying that a Metroid game was as likely to come to PS2 as Samus was to be a transvestite.
15:54	Roxie	Takov: transvestite =/= trans woman
15:56	Roxie	jesus, why are people so insistent on Samus being cis?
15:56	Roxie	It's almost as if…
15:56	Takov	Roxie, the only "evidence" for Samus being trans is a quote from a background designer that could have easily been misunderstood or even a joke.
15:56	Takov	Why are you so insistent on the opposite?
15:56	Roxie	Takov: Because somebody who helped design her as a character has, on the record, said that she is.
15:56	Tuomey	ok, I'm gonna stop this conversation here
15:56	Roxie	That's more evidence than there is for her being cis.
15:57	Tuomey	people are allowed to think characters are trans or gay or whatever, they don't need evidence, because these are fictional people
15:58	Takov	I never said Roxie wasn't allowed to think that, but okay.
15:58	Tuomey	Takov: In particular, I'm sick of seeing you getting into debates with people who clearly care more about the argument than you do
15:59		* Vince joined #site19 ngathF.kcoR.ytr|Pai.ai#ngathF.kcoR.ytr|Pai.ai
15:59	Tuomey	Given that you've been warned for this sort of behaviour and had multiple stop orders and non official warnings, I'm going to have to make it a ban this time
15:59	Takov	…Seriously?
16:00		—- ChanServ has banned *!*ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc
16:00		* Takov was kicked by ChanServ (Requested (Tuomey))

Given that this sort of thing has been happening in the past with Takov getting into arguments with people about things they cared about more than he did, multiple non official warnings, I'm gonna go with standard escalation, one week ban.

Re: Takov

(account deleted) 25 Jun 2016 15:26

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16:03	salvagebar	I agree with the kick Tuomey
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16:03	salvagebar	Takov needs to cool off
16:03	Takov	So, may I have a reminder how appeals work?
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16:05		+++ ChanServ has given op to anqxyr
16:07		Tuomey is poking other ops to handle it
16:07		Takov pokes Tuomey
16:08	salvagebar	I am here
16:09	salvagebar	Let me hear your appeal, Takov
16:09	salvagebar	I just want to know your side
16:10	Takov	Well, was thinking of appealing later out of worry it'd either be bad form or not allowed to immediately appeal one's ban.
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16:13	Takov	My side? Just another debate in site19 to me, they seem to happen a lot. But if I overstepped, was rude/an ass, disruptive, or so on that's no excuse.
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16:13		+++ ChanServ has given op to anqxyr
16:13	salvagebar	You absolutely can appeal, Takov
16:14	Takov	Well, how long is the ban for?
16:14	salvagebar	The standard is a one-week ban.
16:14	salvagebar	The concern is not that anyone disagrees with your points of view - no one wants to be opinion police
16:15	Takov	I understand that.
16:15	salvagebar	Good
16:17	salvagebar	I think there's a pattern of not leaving topics when people indicate they want to move on
16:18	Takov	I think I'll appeal at a later time, or perhaps wait it out. Not sure.
16:19	salvagebar	My decision is is to ban you for 24 hours, Takov
16:19	Takov	Alright.
16:20	salvagebar	If you want to appeal that you can, and we can try to find a staffmember
16:20	Takov	Nah, I can wait a day.
16:20	salvagebar	else the ban will end at 11:20 Eastern US time tomorrow
16:21	salvagebar	Fine - no hard feelings
16:21	Takov	What about soft feelings? :P
16:22	salvagebar	Just let off when people indicate they want to change the topic
16:22	Takov	Alright.

Salvagebar heard appeal, ban length reduced to 24

Re: Takov

(account deleted) 11 Sep 2016 00:14

Long ass logs for context

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01:00	DarkStuff	Roxie: So I am confused. If you are a transgender woman, are you a guy who wants to be a woman, or are you a woman who wants to be a guy?
01:00	Solo	roxie no i am, no worries
01:00	Roxie	DarkStuff: BOOOO
01:00	Roxie	I'm neither
01:00	DarkStuff	:(
01:00	DarkStuff	Okay
01:00	tahunu	Roxie: are you saying that the people you call fam are bad
01:00	Roxie	I'm a woman who is a woman
01:00	Roxie	I don't "want" to be anything
01:00	DarkStuff	Roxie: Ah
01:00	Roxie	I already am :)
01:00	Multiscoop	DarkStuff generally transman means a born woman who is now a man, and transwoman is a born man who is now a woman.
01:01	tahunu	do you want to be richer, tho
01:01	DarkStuff	I thought earlier you said you were trans… might have been a joke though
01:01	Roxie	DarkStuff: To answer your question, the former, but the language you used is considered harmful to trans community
01:01	Rimple	Harmful language, but not malicious and easily corrected :) We all make that mistake at some point
01:01	DolphinSlugchugger	multiscoop: designated, not born
01:01	DarkStuff	:( Okay
01:01	Roxie	It's cool
01:01	Roxie	I've been there
01:01	Overandover	Man, I do not want accidentally offend someone
01:01	Multiscoop	DarkStuff although tbh those terms don't mean a whole lot when you can just say 'man' or 'woman'.
01:01	Roxie	Multiscoop: Hey, for future reference, you should put a space between "trans" and "man" (and "woman")
01:01	ModeratelySaltyDerk	or cis-gendered
01:01	ModeratelySaltyDerk	hue
01:01	Roxie	Like, you wouldn't say gayman or tallman or whatever
01:01		Multiscoop multiman
01:02	Overandover	like I don't know the correct terminology, and Im afraid of screwing something up
01:02	Rimple	What's a trans woman? Easy! They're a woman!
01:02		* Multiscoop is now known as multiman
01:02		* FFT left #site19 (Unbsibckue jbfreehwrbtyab purtolr) taht.ypoc.semag.be.ot|emoclew#taht.ypoc.semag.be.ot|emoclew
01:02	Solo	Hi, charles gayman here, can i interest you in a time share?
01:02	multiman	is that like trans fats?
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01:02	Roxie	HEY FAM I HAVE A JOKE FOR YOU ALL
01:02	DarkStuff	WHAT
01:02	Roxie	WHAT DO YOU CALL A WOMAN WITH A PENIS? ;D
01:02	Roxie	Her name you transphobic prick.
01:02	multiman	are those fats that had gender dysphoria
01:02	DolphinSlugchugger	yes
01:02	multiman	Roxie no. that's called kinky.
01:02	Overandover	.-.
01:02	DolphinSlugchugger	that's why they are solid at room temperature
01:02	multiman	lmao
01:02	Rimple	Can I call her gorgeous?
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01:02	Roxie	multiman: um
01:02	DolphinSlugchugger	multiman: :/
01:02	Solo	i sense this convo growing closer to insensitive
01:02	Roxie	please can you not fetishize my gender thanks?
01:02	DarkStuff	Hmm
01:02	minmin	it is
01:03	Solo	perhaps best that we move away
01:03	multiman	I was making a joke
01:03	Smapti	So how bout them skips
01:03	DarkStuff	multiman: People are born that way, and I'm sure they wouldn't find it kinky
01:03	Tuomey	multiman: yeah you're making jokes about trans ladies how about no
01:03	multiman	Smapti they suck
01:03	Cimmerian	…what is going on in here.
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01:03	Overandover	On another note I went to the beach
01:03	ModeratelySaltyDerk	how about spaceballs isn't that a good movie
01:03	the_xenomorph666	.seen some_potato
01:03	jarvis	the_xenomorph666: I last saw some_potato an hour ago saying: I thought it was location, location, location.
01:03	Solo	ModeratelySaltyDerk: get out
01:03	the_xenomorph666	.lc
01:03	jarvis	the_xenomorph666: SCP-2927: Soundspots (written 2 hours ago by CapnThatguy) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2927
01:03	jarvis	the_xenomorph666: SCP-2318: Sentient Warhead (written 7 hours ago by LudwigThePerplexing) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2318
01:03	jarvis	the_xenomorph666: Portrait of Two Choreographers (written 7 hours ago by LordStonefish) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/portrait-of-two-choreographers
01:03	ModeratelySaltyDerk	rip
01:03	Roxie	AidenEldritch: I'M WRITING A TALE, MY BOY
01:03	AidenEldritch	Overandover: thank you for upvoting my Wanderers Library thing ;w;
01:03	FFT	ahhhh. spacebawls
01:03	multiman	Whatever, it was just a joke. No offense was intended.
01:03	Roxie	AidenEldritch: Is it okay if I call you m' boy from now on
01:03	minmin	multiman: responding to a joke about people fetishising trans people with a comment fetishising trans people is kind of. not getting the point.
01:03	AidenEldritch	Roxie: You're doing mainsite things??????????????????
01:03	tahunu	Roxie: you're fairly tall right
01:03	Roxie	like
01:03	ModeratelySaltyDerk	LUDICROUS SPEED
01:03	Roxie	in a no hetero way
01:03	tahunu	Roxie: so does that make the thing you're writing
01:03	Smapti	…They've gone to PLAID!
01:03	tahunu	a tall tale
01:03	Overandover	AidenEldritch wait..no one else updooted it ?
01:04	Roxie	tahunu: yes
01:04	AidenEldritch	Smapti: THERE'S ONLY ONE MAN WHO WOULD DARE GIVE ME THE RASPBERRY
01:04	Overandover	.___.
01:04	multiman	people get fetishized all the time… makes no difference who they are.
01:04	ModeratelySaltyDerk	LONE STAR
01:04	Roxie	I'M DOING MAINSITE THINGS, AIDEN
01:04		ModeratelySaltyDerk gets hit by camera
01:04	AidenEldritch	Overandover: no, SpectralDragon and minmin updooted
01:04	AL3_Alice	Yeah, you should see what my boyfriend does
01:04	Roxie	AidenEldritch: When did you stop using EldritchCadence as a handle, by the way?
01:04	Solo	i need more peolpe to go read/vote 2258 so i can know whether or not it will be successful
01:04	AidenEldritch	I'm waiting for Zyn to ch-ch-check it out
01:04		AL3_Alice hit by flying chairs
01:04	AidenEldritch	Roxie: stahhhhhhp
01:04	Roxie	stop writing a tale?
01:04	Smapti	AidenEldritch: I see your Schwarz is as big as mine
01:04		Roxie deletes the entire thing
01:04	tahunu	wait, AidenEldritch was eldritchcadence all along?
01:04	Overandover	http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/overandover
01:05	Solo	tahunu no
01:05	Roxie	tahunu: (no)
01:05	AidenEldritch	Roxie: nu
01:05	tahunu	this is mindblowing, i was sure they were two different people
01:05	DolphinSlugchugger	multiman: it absolutely does
01:05	Overandover	Code Fuckery SCP^
01:05	multiman	SCP-2258
01:05	jarvis	multiman: SCP-2258: scp.gif (written 18 hours ago by ishimaeru; rating: -1) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
01:05	DarkStuff	Overandover: Did you read through it?
01:05	Roxie	tahunu: well, you see, they're not.
01:05	Solo	tahunu they are, its jokes
01:05	tahunu	TAHUNU YES
01:05	Overandover	Darkstuff…read what through ?
01:05	DarkStuff	:(
01:05	Overandover	oh, no wait
01:05	Roxie	AidenEldritch: Do you wanna read my tale so far?
01:05	Smapti	And now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
01:05	Overandover	>.> SHoot
01:05	AidenEldritch	everyone knows me and EC were decanted from the same batch of clones
01:05	AidenEldritch	Roxie: sure, hmu fam
01:05	tahunu	apparently me being a gullible fool didn't translate well to text
01:05	tahunu	I mean, uh
01:05	Overandover	Id better go read it then >….>
01:05	DarkStuff	Overandover: If you don't want to, you aren't commited
01:05	Roxie	AidenEldritch: "The snow and leaves beneath our footsteps produced a satisfying crunch as we traipsed through the pure white field."
01:05	tahunu	pretending to be a gullible fool
01:06	ModeratelySaltyDerk	I always drink coffee when I watch RADAR!
01:06	Solo	oh guess what guys!
01:06	multiman	DolphinSlugchugger i'm not arguing this. It was a simple joke. People can chose to be offended or realize I was simply making a joke. I know I'm not a hateful human being, so I can't control what others think.
01:06	Rimple	Did a mod ask peeps to stop discussion, or are people just ignoring multi?
01:06	Solo	I'm on another Junior staff team now, in addition to site crit
01:06	tahunu	" People can chose to be offended or realize I was simply making a joke."
01:06	thomas	that… is still kind of arguing it dude
01:06	Roxie	multiman: it was a harmful joke fam
01:06		tahunu stares
01:06	Roxie	take it from a trans woman
01:06	AidenEldritch	Solo: o rly now
01:06	Roxie	it was gross
01:06	Smapti	You don't get to decide whether people are offended by your words.
01:06	Overandover	ooooh, the whistling Scps
01:06	Roxie	it made me uncomfortable
01:06	Solo	multiman yeah, joke or not, kinda shitty
01:06	Tuomey	multiman: yeah, hi. I'm an operator. Fetishing/transphobic jokes aren't allowed.
01:06	multiman	i'm not saying any more.
01:06	Rimple	Very gross
01:06	Roxie	not OFFENDED, UNCOMFORTABLE
01:06	Tuomey	Guys, operetaors have it.
01:06	Solo	aideneldritch Im helping run the FB now
01:06	Roxie	thanks Tuomey
01:07	Tuomey	Be about your regular chat
01:07	Roxie	m' bad
01:07	AidenEldritch	Solo: oh damn son
01:07	Solo	ye m8
01:07		AidenEldritch shakes Solo's hand.
01:07	AidenEldritch	u do good work
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01:07	the_xenomorph666	I'm playing jacob satorous in front of my friends
01:07	the_xenomorph666	I'm chilling with them
01:07	the_xenomorph666	and im giving them cancer
01:07		Rimple talks about how hard it is to write good interview logs
01:07	AidenEldritch	aren't you already 0p staff though Solo
01:07	Overandover	d00d wut
01:07	Solo	AidenEldritch: no, just JS
01:08	Overandover	Can.. I unironically like Jacob Santorous ?
01:08	DolphinSlugchugger	question
01:08	Solo	DolphinSlugchugger: hit me
01:08	DolphinSlugchugger	are jokes supposed to be funny
01:08	Lex1nat0r	What is a Jacob Santorous
01:08	Solo	DolphinSlugchugger: yes
01:08	DolphinSlugchugger	damn
01:08	Rimple	Striking the balance between giving the dialogue character and being too the bloody point is so hard
01:08	DolphinSlugchugger	i guess i'm not a comedian then
01:08	Takov	[20:02]
01:08	Takov	Futanari
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01:08	Roxie	Takov: oh for FUCKS SAKE
01:08		* Takov was kicked by Tuomey (what did you think would happen)
01:08	Roxie	we just DID this
01:08		* Takov joined #site19 ~ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc
01:08	DarkStuff	GOD DAMN TAKOV
01:08	Tuomey	ops have it
01:09		the_xenomorph666 plays this on site19 [Show YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duXnGGGjKlA)]
01:09	jarvis	the_xenomorph666: Jacob Sartorius - Sweatshirt (Full Song) - length 2m50s - 61336↑107657↓ - 3,241,023 views - JacobSartoriusVEVO on 2016-05-02
01:09	Takov	Futa is literally hermaphrodite though
01:09	Tuomey	everyone else go about their business
01:09		—- ChanServ has banned *!*ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc
01:09		* Takov was kicked by ChanServ (Requested (Tuomey))

tldr:

Roxie: HEY FAM I HAVE A JOKE FOR YOU ALL WHAT WHAT DO YOU CALL A WOMAN WITH A PENIS? ;D / Her name you transphobic prick
Multiscoop/multiman gets talked to for some transphobic jokees.
Takov thing pings Roxie to say: Futanari
I kicked him with the message "what did you think would happen"
He returned with "Futa is literally hermaphrodite though "

How long should the ban be?
EDIT: opchat agrees upon one month

Last edited on 11 Sep 2016 00:20 by (account deleted) Show more

Re: Takov

thedeadlymoose 11 Sep 2016 00:56

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[17:22] Takov Minor worry, I have both a separate computer and a laptop with IRC clients, both set to autojoin site19 among other channels.
[17:22] Takov That won't be detected as like ban evading, will it?
[17:23] Decibelle nope
[17:23] ProcyonLotor So long as we're aware (and you have made us) no
[17:23] Takov Alright.
[17:24] ProcyonLotor If it gets particularly bad we may leave a manual ban up so the removal may be delayed, but you can pop in here to request it be brought down after the term is up (if such happens)
[17:24] Takov Alright.
[17:25] Takov I've decided against appealing but
[17:25] Takov http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1473090110072.gif Have this cute gif as a weak apology.
[17:26] the_xenomorph666 awww, so cute
[17:31] =-= AidenEldritch is now known as AwayEldritch
[17:34] |<-- the_xenomorph666 has left irc.synirc.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[17:34] thedeadlymoose Takov: You really know better. That said, admittedly, that is a pretty nice gif.
[17:34] thedeadlymoose Really high on the adorable charts.
[17:34] Takov I should. And I could post more if you like~.
[17:34] thedeadlymoose I'd say yes, but I don't want to /entirely/ derail the help chat. :P Heh.
[17:35] Takov http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1472762816485.gif One more then.

No issue, just logging.

Re: Takov

(account deleted) 10 Oct 2016 14:40

tl:dr; Appealed, ban is up in like 10 hours anyway, told to wait 10 hours. Someone please unban this guy in like 10 hours if it's not already done.

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15:29	Takov	Been about 2 hours…anything on my appeal?
15:31	Tuomey	Appeal for what? Chat ban?
15:31	Takov	Yes.
15:31		Tuomey didn't see the stuff from 2 hours ago.
15:31		Tuomey has been connected for less than 2 hours
15:32	Takov	[08:20]
15:32		* salvagebar is now known as Epimetheus
15:32	Tuomey	This is in reference to the ban that's up literally tomorrow?
15:32	Takov	I thought it was 2 days
15:33	Takov	And yes.
15:34	Tuomey	not even tomorrow, it's up in, like, 10 hours
15:34	Takov	Oh
15:34	Tuomey	I'm discussing with others in opchat
15:38	Tuomey	Consensus seems to be that you'll have to wait the 10 hours
15:38	Takov	Kay.
15:39		* Takov left #site17 ~ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc

Re: Takov

SoullessSingularity 20 Oct 2016 01:02

So with agreement from Procyon, Anakin, Myself, and TroyL, (Tuomey abstaining due to previous bannings with him) we've decided Takov hasn't improved at all since his unbanning, and has baited other members several times, particiularly during a debate about the trans narrative potential of the Matrix series.

The full debate is below:

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Session Start: Wed Oct 19 03:09:21 2016
Session Ident: #site19
04[07:10] * Attempting to rejoin channel #site19
03[07:10] * Rejoined channel #site19
03[07:10] * Topic is 'Welcome! | Rules: http://scp.bz/chat & http://scp.bz/4newbies | Sandbox: http://scp.bz/sand | #site17 & #thecritters for crit | RP: #Origins-OOC | Draft Crit: http://scp.bz/crit | SiteCrit seeks JrStaff: http://scp.bz/jsr | Stats: http://scpper.com | CTHULHU 2016 ask Soulless for flyers | u smeel'
03[07:10] * Set by Dr_Kens on Mon Oct 17 23:51:05 2016
03[07:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o salvagebar

[07:40] <PositHomeworks> It's 5:40 AM and I finished my homework.
[07:40] <Smapti> Said firing was later overturned by a federal court.
[07:40] <PositHomeworks> Time to pass out. ;D
11[07:40] * NineVolt is now known as NineVolt|Busy
04[07:40] * Quits: Randomini (edagirb.dawkcud.eht.fo.tnemtraped|eewwow#edagirb.dawkcud.eht.fo.tnemtraped|eewwow) (Quit: exit via trapdoor)
08[07:40] <@salvagebar> Randomini dowvoted for: Do not start writing until you have finished conceptual development.
[07:40] <Roxie> s
[07:40] <Roxie> hey fuck head
[07:40] <Roxie> i am back
08[07:40] <@salvagebar> that is a terrible idea
[07:40] <PositHomeworks> Hey Roxie
08[07:40] <@salvagebar> Roxie - do not pick fights
[07:40] <Roxie> and have definitely not been killed and replaced by hyper intelligent snakes.
[07:40] <DragonM372> I miiiight have to take standardized tests this morning
[07:40] <DragonM372> Which suuuuuucks
08[07:40] <@salvagebar> DragonM372 I feel you
[07:40] <PositHomeworks> Obviously
11[07:40] <Roxie> salvagebar: what
[07:41] <JackIke> Weren't we at like, Two Minutes to Midnight back in the 70's
[07:41] <Roxie> in what situation have i been picking fights today
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> [07:40] <Roxie> hey fuck head
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> [07:40] <Roxie> s
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> …
[07:41] <PositHomeworks> Since they lack the appendages with which to type.
[07:41] <@Silber> Smapti: I heard that because of Trump's remark in the… second debate, IIRC?
[07:41] <Roxie> it was a term of endearment :(
11[07:41] <DragonM372> salvagebar: I dunno, I took it as affectionate :3
11[07:41] <eris> cmon salvagebar, that's an affectionate term of address
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> !
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> ok
[07:41] <eris> like, have you talked to roxie before?
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> carry on
[07:41] <@Silber> Where he told Clinton that he would order his Attorney General to put her in jail
[07:41] <eris> or anyone here, for that matter
[07:41] <Smapti> JackIke; we're at two minutes to midnight now, for that matter.
08[07:41] <@salvagebar> CARRY ON
11[07:41] * PositHomeworks is now known as Neutronium
[07:41] <JackIke> Smapti: We are? shit
[07:42] <Roxie> i have a cheese toasty
[07:42] <Smapti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock#Symbolic_timepiece_changes
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11[07:42] <DragonM372> YES SIR, COMMANDER SALVAGEBAR
[07:42] <Dr_Leonard> .seen expletive
[07:42] <%jarvis> dr_leonard: I last saw expletive 2 days ago saying: Also, I require critique for the fourth tab on a Tale: http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/doc-expletive-s-box-of-well-expletives If y'all would mind.
[07:42] <Dr_Leonard> fuck's sake
08[07:42] <@salvagebar> /kick DragonM372 Mod Sass Levels Exceeded
[07:42] <DragonM372> …:(
[07:43] <TheTellmen> .lc
[07:43] <%jarvis> thetellmen: SCP-2315 (written an hour ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[07:43] <%jarvis> thetellmen: SCP-2258 (written an hour ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
[07:43] <%jarvis> thetellmen: SCP-2964 (written 2 hours ago by Erron_Quill) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2964
[07:43] <Roxie> JCDaboss?
[07:43] <Roxie> Holy fuck.
[07:43] <Roxie> Jesus Christ himself posted a skip
[07:43] <DragonM372> So literally holy f**k
[07:43] <JackIke> Smapti: We're at three minutes tho
08[07:44] <@salvagebar> Jesus Christ should have read the writing guides
[07:44] <eris> that reminds me of the holy shit elemental
[07:44] <Smapti> 3, 2, what's a minute between friends?
11[07:44] <JackIke> salvagebar: Did you mean
11[07:44] <DragonM372> salvagebar: He doesn't need to, he's Jesus. ;3
[07:44] <DragonM372> He does what he wants
[07:44] <eris> party was fighting undead in a sewer, cleric cast bless water, and mage created a water elemental. dm: "you have created a Holy Shit Elemental"
[07:44] <eris> one of my favourite dnd stories
11[07:44] <JackIke> salvagebar: http://scp-foundation-rp.wikidot.com/cyborg-pirate-ninja-jesus
11[07:45] <@Dora> salvagebar chap seems to be responding to comments on the discussion page tho, so that's a start
[07:45] <DragonM372> eris: snrk
08[07:45] <@salvagebar> it is a beginning - the beginning of the long path to getting good
[07:46] <DragonM372> You have cranky's blessinh
[07:46] <DragonM372> blessing* ffs
[07:47] <Roxie> http://prntscr.com/cw7k5o END MY LIFE
[07:47] <eris> oh god
[07:47] <eris> that's
[07:48] <eris> i don't even have a reaction
[07:48] <Rimple> I love that "blessing" is just "blood ritual"
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[07:49] <WildWilfredo> whats a menist
[07:49] <Swaghetti> ayy
[07:49] <DragonM372> WildWilfredo: Um
[07:49] <Swaghetti> u a menist to society
[07:50] <DragonM372> WildWilfredo: The opposite of a feminist I believe
[07:50] <@Dora> based on that screencap, people with no basic understanding of anatomy
[07:50] <DragonM372> For men's rights
[07:50] <DragonM372> Or that could be "meninist"
[07:50] <DragonM372> But whatever
[07:50] <WildWilfredo> hwhat, how does that even work
08[07:50] <@salvagebar> meninist is what I have heard
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08[07:50] <@salvagebar> that would require explaining 'red pill' philosophy WildWilfredo
[07:50] <Roxie> yeah
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[07:51] <WildWilfredo> Oh i remember that subreddit…..
[07:51] <WildWilfredo> the red pill
08[07:51] <@salvagebar> yes
[07:51] <@Dora> "I don't have an uterus and I can't even be bothered to look up basic human anatomy, but I'll still comment on menstruation anyway! People menstruate from their bladders right"
08[07:51] <@salvagebar> you can find it on your own
[07:51] <DragonM372> I uh
[07:51] <Swaghetti> fuckin red pill.. some disgusting mind fuckery up in there
[07:51] <WildWilfredo> No I dont want to. The stuff that gets posted there is something else.
[07:51] <DragonM372> …Isn't the red pill just a tracking device
[07:51] <JackIke> something something Minism
11[07:51] <Roxie> salvagebar: do you ever find it so funny that the red pill analogy is from a film made by two trans women
[07:51] <DragonM372> in the Matrix
[07:52] <WildWilfredo> Roxie NO WAY
[07:52] <JackIke> DragonM372: Symbolic of waking up and becoming aware
[07:52] <WildWilfredo> HOLY CRAP, HAHAHAHAHAH
[07:52] <DragonM372> Roxie: …What
08[07:52] <@salvagebar> are they both trans women now? I only thought one of them was
[07:52] <JackIke> SPEAKING OF RED PILL
[07:52] <@Dora> yes
[07:52] <JackIke> SCP-2439
[07:52] <%jarvis> jackike: SCP-2439: [SLOT UNALLOCATED] (written a month ago by Jack Ike; rating: +190) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2439
11[07:52] <Roxie> salvagebar: yeah the other one came out recently
11[07:52] <@Dora> salvagebar both of them, actually
[07:52] <JackIke> Welcome to Redpill
[07:52] <Swaghetti> Mike Wichowski bros
[07:52] <eris> *sisters
[07:52] <Roxie> i mean
04[07:52] <Smapti> DragonM372: the phrase comes from the Matrix. Directed by the Wachowski brothers, who have both since come out as transgender women.
[07:52] <Roxie> they're not bros
[07:52] <Roxie> they're sisters
[07:52] <JackIke> Mike Wazowski
[07:52] <Dr_Leonard> Guys help me out here
[07:52] <Dr_Leonard> Am writing an essay
[07:52] <Roxie> the Wachowski SISTERS
[07:52] <Dr_Leonard> Trying to say "shred of sympathy"
[07:53] <Takov> Roxie: sisbros
[07:53] <Dr_Leonard> or "scrap of sympathy"
[07:53] <Dr_Leonard> which works best?
[07:53] <Smapti> Cisbros?
[07:53] <JackIke> Dr_Leonard: But you feel none?
[07:53] <DragonM372> No, Rox is right, they're both transgender
[07:53] <WildWilfredo> Sisbrosters
[07:53] <Quin> Dr_Leonard: shred
[07:53] <Dr_Leonard> Idk
[07:53] <Liampluridon> DragonM372: Shred
[07:53] <Roxie> Takov: why would they be sisbros
[07:53] <DragonM372> Wow, that's surprising
[07:53] <WildWilfredo> Sisbrosters sound like a metal band
[07:53] <JackIke> Dr_Leonard: Try "sliver of sympathy"
[07:53] <Takov> Roxie: I'm just being silly
[07:53] <Roxie> like
[07:53] <Liampluridon> DragonM372: Shred
[07:53] <Roxie> they're . both women
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[07:53] <Roxie> we've been through this a thousand times
[07:53] <Liampluridon> .lc
[07:53] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2607 (written seconds ago by ch00bakka) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
[07:53] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2315 (written an hour ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[07:53] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2258 (written an hour ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
08[07:53] <@salvagebar> Hello Roget
[07:53] <Swaghetti> they're in the matrix
[07:53] <DragonM372> Liampluridon: Ok
[07:53] <@Roget> hullo
[07:54] <@Dora> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ea-lockhart/yes-the-matrix-is-a-trans_b_10335404.html
[07:54] <@Roget> hows we doin to-day
[07:54] <Roxie> .w Wachowski Sisters
[07:54] <%jarvis> roxie: The Wachowskis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wachowskis - Lana Wachowski (formerly Laurence "Larry" Wachowski, born June 21, 1965) and Lilly Wachowski (formerly Andrew Paul "Andy" Wachowski, born December 29, 1967) are sibling American film directors, […]
[07:54] <DragonM372> Swaghetti: Yeah, so are the rest of us :/
[07:54] <@Dora> "Yes, ‘The Matrix’ Is a Transgender Film, and Some of Us Noticed That a Long Time Ago"
[07:54] <Liampluridon> DragonM372: That wasn't meant for you. Autocomplete is dumb sometimes.
[07:54] <@Silber> hey Roget
[07:54] <Takov> ….
[07:54] <JackIke> Roget: Do you smell that
[07:54] <Swaghetti> I thought Roget died in the hurricane
[07:54] <Takov> That first LC
[07:54] <@Silber> I am listening to Reggie Watts
[07:54] <Roxie> OH OF COURSE THEY JUST CHANGE IT TO "The Wachowskis" NOW, OF COURSE
[07:54] <Takov> is herpes that transmits through phonesex and ERPing
[07:54] <Takov> I'm not joking.
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[07:54] <WildWilfredo> That explains the leatherjackets and the sunglase- no wait it doesnt. Why is it a transgender film
[07:54] <JackIke> It's the smell of dumpster fires and anarchy
[07:54] <Roxie> WildWilfredo: it's not a transgender film.
[07:55] <shaggydredlocks> .au
[07:55] <Roxie> WildWilfredo: the directors are both trans women.
[07:55] <%jarvis> shaggydredlocks: Shaggydredlocks ( http://www.scp-wiki.net/shaggyheadbox ) has 9 pages (9 Originals) (6 SCP Articles, 2 Tales, 1 GOI-Format Articles). They have 331 net upvotes with an average of 36. Their latest page is SCP-2385: Somewhere In The Between at +65.
[07:55] <@Dora> WildWilfredo read the link I linked. It does explain the position given in the headline
[07:55] <@Roget> Silber: nice
[07:55] <@Dora> Yes, ‘The Matrix’ Is a Transgender Film, and Some of Us Noticed That a Long Time Ago
[07:55] <@Dora> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ea-lockhart/yes-the-matrix-is-a-trans_b_10335404.html
[07:55] <DragonM372> It's not a transgender film, but the Wachowski sisters are both transgender sisters
[07:55] <shaggydredlocks> We talkin the Matrix?
08[07:55] <@salvagebar> OH Roget - you pillar of good breeding and calm
[07:55] <@Roget> .y reggie watts van halen panama
[07:55] <%jarvis> roget: [1/10] Reggie Watts covers Van Halen - length 5m19s - 5822↑509↓ - 764,182 views - The A.V. Club on 2013-01-22 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=xetZZLmmEw8
[07:55] <Roxie> holy fuck is it actually
[07:55] <@Silber> .y reggie watts big ass purse
[07:55] <%jarvis> silber: [1/10] Reggie Watts from Conan Writers Live - Big Ass Purse - length 3m53s - 445↑7↓ - 79,995 views - CaptainBestephar on 2010-11-19 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBINmUIac7U
[07:55] <eris> the matrix is incredibly trans
[07:55] <@Dora> Roget I haven't actually seen the Matrix, but the analysis given there is kinda interesting?
[07:55] <Roxie> IS IT
[07:55] <@Roget> what
[07:55] <Roxie> WOOO THE MATRIX IS A TRANS FILM
[07:55] <Swaghetti> it's a M E T A P H O R
[07:55] <ch00bakka> .lc
[07:55] <%jarvis> ch00bakka: SCP-2607 (written 2 minutes ago by ch00bakka) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
[07:55] <%jarvis> ch00bakka: SCP-2315 (written an hour ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[07:55] <%jarvis> ch00bakka: SCP-2258 (written an hour ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
[07:55] <eris> like, i wouldnt expect cis people to understand it, but i rewatched it the other day and holy fuck
[07:55] <Roxie> SUCK ON THAT, CIS FOLKS
[07:55] <ch00bakka> i did a thing
[07:55] <DragonM372> …It's not though
[07:56] <Liampluridon> Noted.
[07:56] <DragonM372> It really isn't
[07:56] <eris> rox we should watch it together sometime
[07:56] <ch00bakka> also the matrix is super a trans film
[07:56] <Roxie> DragonM372: I mean. There's detailed analysis to why it is.
[07:56] <eris> good film, shame they never made any sequels
[07:56] <WildWilfredo> Just read the article. I still dont follow.
[07:56] <@Roget> I mean you could watch it that way
[07:56] <DragonM372> That post explains little to nothing :/ It just states the directors are transgender
[07:56] <Rimple> Switch was supposed to be explicitly a trans man, but the producers cut that out
[07:56] <@Silber> it's more trans than transformers
[07:56] <DragonM372> I'm with WildWilfredo
[07:56] <Takov> ^
[07:56] <Smapti> Eh, the Matrix touches on a lot of ancient memes in the vein of "everything I grew up believing was a lie but turns out I'M SPECIAL".
[07:56] <Smapti> It's just the Hero's Journey with a new coat of paint on it.
[07:56] <@Dora> okay hang on a sec lemme find something more informative
[07:56] <@Silber> Smapti: so really it's a Neil Gaiman movie
[07:56] <Roxie> DragonM372: I'm sorry, but you're literally telling a bunch of trans people that a film made by two trans women that talks about some very trans themes is not a trans film. That's no longer borderline transphobic, that's transphobic.
[07:57] <Takov> what
[07:57] <eris> ok im not gonna expect cis ppl to understand, but trust us here when we say it's got a hell of a lot of relatable symbolism
[07:57] <WildWilfredo> Well at one point a woman turns into an Agent Smith..thats..gotta be a message right..?
[07:57] <DragonM372> Roxie: I refuse to engage that argument. I have stated that I accept all people.
[07:57] <DragonM372> I will not answer.
[07:57] <WildWilfredo> ITS A GOOD MOVIE, WHO CARES….
[07:57] <JackIke> uhhh
[07:57] <Roxie> It's not an argument.
[07:57] <WildWilfredo> WHO CARES?
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[07:57] <Roxie> Can we get some ops on this?
[07:57] <@Dora> http://www.themarysue.com/decoding-the-transgender-matrix-the-matrix-as-a-transgender-coming-out-story/
[07:57] <Takov> …You're kinda the one starting things.
[07:57] <@Dora> meow
[07:57] <JackIke> Seconding the summoning of higher-ups
[07:57] <Roxie> Somebody is explicitly erasing the trans-ness of a trans film?
[07:57] <Roxie> Takov: I didn't ask you, did I?
[07:58] <thomas> the only thing I remember from the matrix is the duplicate cat
[07:58] <DragonM372> Takov: Thank you
[07:58] <Roxie> May I remind you that the last time you were involved in a discussion about trans women you called us "futanari"?
[07:58] <JackIke> yyyeah we need ops
[07:58] <Liampluridon> thirding.
[07:58] <@Dora> OKAY GUYS
[07:58] <Quin> Fourth
[07:58] <@Silber> Four votes
[07:58] <@Silber> 19 is deleted
[07:58] <thomas> yes
[07:58] <Smapti> It's the Monomyth. The Hero receives the Call. He initially refuses it, but is forced to accept. He is assisted by a Guide who tells him the nature of his destiny. He finds Companions and a special Weapon to aid in his Quest. He descends into the Abyss, defeats the Evil, and Returns to his home, humbled but wiser for what he has experienced.
[07:58] <Liampluridon> RIP
06[07:58] * @Roget deletes 19
[07:58] <JackIke> inb4 everyone just endlessly says o.p.s
[07:58] <thomas> we did it
[07:58] <WildWilfredo> Holy crap jesus what…
[07:58] <Roxie> finally
[07:58] <ch00bakka> RIP in pepperoni
[07:58] <thomas> mission accomplished everyone
[07:59] <WildWilfredo> We dont say the f- word.
[07:59] <@Roget> we did it reddit
[07:59] <DragonM372> Also, I simply don't understand the "clear transgender themes" in the matrix. That's not transphobic, that's just me not getting it. I don't see it.
[07:59] <JackIke> Smapti: Didn't he die though
[07:59] <Smapti> It's the same story as Luke Skywalker, as Frodo Baggins, as St. Christopher.
[07:59] <@Roget> talk about other movies guys
[07:59] <@Dora> Silber can you mute chat for a sec for me? I need to read upthread and I can't remember the command ontop of my head
[07:59] <@Silber> what roget said
[07:59] <eris> dragonm372 that's because you're cis
[07:59] <@Roget> maybe the big lebowski
[07:59] <@Roget> the big lebowski is a good movie
[07:59] <WildWilfredo> SO FURY ROAD WAS GREAT AM I RIGHT
[07:59] <DragonM372> eris: Please, don't.
[07:59] <@Silber> let's talk about other movies
[07:59] <WildWilfredo> Furiosa was good
[07:59] <@Silber> other campbellian journeys
[07:59] <Liampluridon> Dora: /mode #site19 +m
[07:59] <@Silber> the power of myth
[07:59] <Dr_Leonard> i don't even know why i came here
[07:59] <Quin> I like Avatar
[07:59] <Dr_Leonard> oh wait, to find Expletive
[07:59] <ChaoSera> Dora should be something alonge the lines of /mode #site19 +m
[07:59] <eris> fucking hell
[08:00] <@Dora> righto
[08:00] <WildWilfredo> The last airbender?
[08:00] <@Roget> Dr_Leonard: do any of us know
[08:00] <Takov> If you have Netflix, watch the film Extracted.
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[08:00] <@Dora> that's why I couldn't get it to work
[08:00] <Roxie> this is HELL
[08:00] <Takov> It's a good movie.
[08:00] <@Dora> forgot the #site19 bit
08[08:00] <@salvagebar> what in the hell
[08:00] <DragonM372> Can we not forcibly change the subject? it's horribly jarring.
[08:00] <Smapti> It's such a universally repeated story because almost EVERYONE sees something of themselves in it.
[08:00] <JackIke> Quin: M. Night Shammalammadingdong version, or the actual animated one?
[08:00] <Takov> Roxie: That's perfectly normal :P
[08:00] <WildWilfredo> The Last Airbender is a good movie
[08:00] <Quin> JackIke: the blue one
[08:00] <DragonM372> No, it isn't.
[08:00] <WildWilfredo> Nah, its pure poison
[08:00] <Smapti> Everyone at some point has been the underdog fighting the system, or the naif realizing that the world isn't what they thought it was/
[08:00] <Roxie> Are we gonna be muted or what
[08:00] <@Roget> DragonM372: welcome to 19, horribly jarring and incredibly fast
[08:00] <Swaghetti> OH HEY GUYS WHAT DID I MISS
[08:00] <Takov> Everything
[08:00] <thomas> if anybody can quote more than two lines from either the M Night last airbender movie OR from the james cameron avatar movie
[08:00] <JackIke> Quin: O
[08:01] <WildWilfredo> Matrix isa transgender film and I had no idea it was.
[08:01] <thomas> I will give you one million upvotes
[08:01] <Quin> Swaghetti: arguments, as alwahs
[08:01] <@Silber> Swaghetti: every story is Star Wars and Lord of the Rings
[08:01] <JackIke> Quin: Well yeah, that was good
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[08:01] <DragonM372> WildWilfredo: It's not though
[08:01] <Quin> JackIke: ikr
[08:01] <DragonM372> :/
[08:01] <JackIke> Quin: Thought you were talking about The Last Airbender
[08:01] <Smapti> .w monomyth
[08:01] <%jarvis> smapti: Monmouth - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth - Monmouth (/ˈmɒnməθ/ MON-məth; Welsh: Trefynwy meaning "town on the Monnow") is a traditional county town in Monmouthshire, Wales. It is situated where the River Monnow meets the River Wye, […]
[08:01] <Quin> JackIke: ohellnah
[08:01] <Swaghetti> You guys wanna be distracted?
[08:01] <Roxie> thomas: "I'm blue dabadeedabadah" and "Let's fuck aliens" from Avatar
[08:01] <Dr_Leonard> is anybody here good with histori-speak?
[08:01] <Smapti> BAD WIKIPEDIA
[08:01] <@Silber> ahaha
[08:01] <Swaghetti> I have a draft called Weiner Flipper
[08:01] <Dr_Leonard> Smapti I am very desperate, can I PM you for something?
[08:01] <@Silber> .w hero's journey
[08:01] <%jarvis> silber: Hero's journey - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey - In narratology and comparative mythology, the monomyth, or the hero's journey, is the common template of a broad category of tales that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, and in a decisive […]
[08:01] <WildWilfredo> Avatar was basically Pocahontas but with aliens and alien sex
[08:01] <@Silber> .w manah manah
[08:01] <%jarvis> silber: Mah Nà Mah Nà - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah_N%C3%A0_Mah_N%C3%A0 - "Mah Nà Mah Nà" is a popular song written by Piero Umiliani. It originally appeared in the Italian film Sweden: Heaven and Hell (Svezia, inferno e paradiso). It was a minor radio hit in the U.S. […]
[08:01] <Swaghetti> It's about a spatula that can only flip penises
[08:01] <Takov> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummingtonite
[08:02] <Quin> Swaghetti:
[08:02] <Roxie> Smapti: Just saying, but just because something ia a Hero's Journey doesn't mean it can't be trans too :P
[08:02] <Quin> …why
[08:02] <thomas> fwiw the "the matrix is about trans people" thing isn't new, people debated it back in 1990-whenever it first hit theaters
[08:02] <Roxie> THANK YOU, THOMAS
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[08:02] <DragonM372> …But it's not
[08:02] <Roxie> So it's just a little insulting
[08:02] <Swaghetti> Quin: they forced me to
[08:02] <DragonM372> I don't see it
[08:02] <thomas> …but it can be
[08:02] <Roxie> for a bunch of cis people
[08:02] <DragonM372> But it isn't for most of us.
[08:02] <Roxie> DragonM372: You don't see it because you refuse to.
[08:02] <thomas> because you don't see it doesn't mean it can't be
[08:02] <Takov> People can interpret any media as anything though, at least according to my English teachers
[08:02] <Roxie> You haven't let anybody tell you why it is
[08:02] <Roxie> Because you don't want your precious film to be transed up
[08:02] <@Silber> personally I don't see how anyone can enjoy raw onion
[08:02] <DragonM372> Roxie: That's a bold claim, which is absolutely untrue.
[08:02] <Quin> Dora: how's it coming with the mute?
[08:02] <@Silber> but every time I order a burger from Hardee's
[08:02] <WildWilfredo> I'm really trying to see it but I stll dont follow :S
[08:03] <@Silber> there it is again
[08:03] <thomas> most people haven't seen my skeleton, but I'm 99% it's still there
[08:03] <thomas> actually
[08:03] <thomas> can somebody please check
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[08:03] <@Silber> so the lesson here is that someone has to like all those onions
[08:03] <eris> cis people not being able to see how trans the matrix is = a metaphor for most people in the matrix not realising they're simulated
[08:03] <Roxie> CHEECK PLEAAASE
[08:03] <thomas> I think I might have misplaced my skeleton
[08:03] <ChaoSera> Silber: Raw onion is delicious unless you literally bite into a whole onion
[08:03] <GibberingEloquence> Hey guys
[08:03] <@Silber> ChaoSera: it's bitter and acrid and sad
[08:03] <@Dora> WildWilfredo haven't been able to find a text-y article yet, so try this Youtube vid perhaps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-m3ZksNGM&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
[08:03] <%jarvis> dora: The Matrix As Transgender Metaphor - length 3m44s - 185↑7↓ - 9,791 views - Film Runner on 2016-04-10
[08:03] <Dr_Leonard> lol
[08:03] <JackIke> thomas: I'm sorry but
[08:03] <Dr_Leonard> that's kinda interesting
[08:03] <JackIke> It's 2 spooky 4 me
[08:03] <@Silber> when I bite into a burger with raw onion on it, all I taste is raw onion and bread
[08:03] <@Silber> it's just an onion sandwich
[08:03] <FFT> boo
[08:03] <Quin> Silber: bread for the bread god
[08:03] <GibberingEloquence> What if I like the Matrix as both a trans movie and a not trans movie?
[08:03] <FFT> I arrive
[08:03] <Swaghetti> GASP
[08:03] <ChaoSera> Silber: I usually taste meat and cheese with a hint of onion
[08:03] <Roxie> Like, straight up saying "The Matrix isn't a trans thing" without anybody explaining it to you or anything is just legitimately transphobia
[08:04] <@Silber> any flavor it might have had is drowned out by just despair and hate
[08:04] <JackIke> GibberingEloquence: I like the original matrix for being a decent movie
[08:04] <Roxie> Because it's like saying "No, I'm not going to allow this school of thought about this film. I've never thought about it, so it isn't true"
[08:04] <Quin> Roxie: no it isn't. You don't know motives.
[08:04] <@Silber> GibberingEloquence: well maybe you like it as a genderqueer movie then
[08:04] <JackIke> … Second and third were kinda bluh though
[08:04] <Lintharo> I dislike onion
[08:04] <Roxie> Quin: I don't need to.
06[08:04] * Liampluridon does a thing. Suddenly we aren't talking about this.
[08:04] <thomas> alright here's a meta-opinion
08[08:04] <@salvagebar> GibberingEloquence then you are like many experienced moviegoers
[08:04] <GibberingEloquence> You can look at the movie from multiple perspectives, you know.
[08:04] <WildWilfredo> Well then I must be transphobic becouse I still dont get how its a trans film.Maybe someone should post a video analizying the movie.
[08:04] <thomas> "the matrix is a trans film" is a claim that might need to be backed up, sure
[08:04] <ChaoSera> Silber: That sounds like you're the problem not the onion
[08:04] <Roxie> WildWilfredo: It's not about not GETTING it
[08:04] <Swaghetti> Bruh, movies is art and art has various interpretations
[08:04] <@Dora> WildWilfredo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-m3ZksNGM&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
[08:04] <%jarvis> dora: The Matrix As Transgender Metaphor - length 3m44s - 185↑7↓ - 9,791 views - Film Runner on 2016-04-10
[08:04] <Roxie> that's FINE
[08:04] <Rimple> Smapti: From Avatar - "I see you" and "It is my job to keep you all alive. I will /not/ succeed"
06[08:04] * FFT checks the clock
[08:04] <@Silber> ChaoSera: well that's my point
[08:04] <Roxie> You can say "I don't understand"
[08:04] <JackIke> SCP-2943
[08:04] <Swaghetti> lets kiss and make out
[08:05] <%jarvis> jackike: SCP-2943: In Case Of Emergency, Break Glass (written a day ago by Jack Ike; rating: +15) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2943
[08:05] <Swaghetti> *up
[08:05] <WildWilfredo> @Dora Thanks!
[08:05] <Quin> Roxie: yeah, you do, otherwise you're just taking literally anything that's not your view and putting "offensive" on it
[08:05] <JackIke> I'm off for the night
[08:05] <FFT> Even earlier today.
[08:05] <@Silber> I'm not going to say that someone else is wrong for liking onion
[08:05] <@Dora> I mean… I did just posted a link to a video analysing the movie?
[08:05] <thomas> "the matrix is definitely not a trans film" in response to that without any sort of counterclaim going on is kinda dickish at best
[08:05] <Roxie> but DragonM372 is straight up saying "NO, IT'S NOT"
[08:05] <thomas> "I don't see the matrix as a trans film" is an opinion and is cool
[08:05] <JackIke> Have a good one guys, and please don't let this get out of control ;.;
[08:05] <thomas> opinions are supposedly allowed
[08:05] <Liampluridon> SO HOW ABOUT THEM SKIPS?
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[08:05] <Liampluridon> .lc
[08:05] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2607 (written 12 minutes ago by ch00bakka) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
[08:05] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2315 (written an hour ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[08:05] <%jarvis> liampluridon: SCP-2258 (written 2 hours ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
[08:05] <@Silber> I'm saying that I cannot perceive a reality where onion is tasty when you put it on things raw
[08:05] <@Silber> THAT SAID
[08:05] <General_Varren> Oh hey piece of Scip!
[08:05] <@Silber> if you grill the onions up
[08:05] <WildWilfredo> Roxie, we are humans. We are allowed to have different opinions. thats what makes humanity so rich.
[08:05] <Swaghetti> Liampluridon: HAVE YOU READ SCP-008=D??
[08:05] <Takov> Liam: The first one is herpes that spreads through phone sex and ERP
[08:05] <@Silber> and get them all caramelized
[08:05] <Dr_Leonard> i wish people would be more original than saying look a skip
[08:06] <Roxie> Quin: No, it isn't. Somebody refused to acknowledge how it could even be a trans thing. They didn't say "I don't get it" they said "It's not". Straight up refusing it without giving it so much of a consideration - why? I'll tell you why.
[08:06] <@Dora> Silber have you heard about Aussieland's previous prime minister, Onion-Devouring Lizardman?
[08:06] <@Silber> so the sweetness is cranked up and the acidity is cooked out
[08:06] <Roxie> Because cis people don't want trans media.
[08:06] <Dr_Leonard> instead of moving the conversation on, it just destroys it
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[08:06] <Liampluridon> Takov: IKR. (I actually critted that one :D)
[08:06] <FFT> The only place raw onions have is in a pan waiting to be cooked
[08:06] <Takov> It's actually not badly written so I won't downvote, but as a person who ERPs I can't bring myself to upvote :P
[08:06] <GibberingEloquence> Roxie, I think you might be over-reacting.
[08:06] <General_Varren> Cast your eyes tither and gaze upon that documented anomaly!
[08:06] <DragonM372> Roxie: Please do not question my values unless A) You are telepathic and can hear my thoughts, and B) you back up my transphobia with previous logs.
[08:06] <Quin> Roxie: once again, putting words in people's mouths
[08:06] <thomas> so what we have here is basically that thing where when kids play make-believe and one of them goes "nuh-uh" "yuh-huh" "nuh-uh" and so on
[08:06] <Roxie> DragonM372: Are you the one who said you weren't "sure" whether you agreed with trans people or not?
[08:07] <Swaghetti> Sti which turns your skin into furry costumes
[08:07] <Roxie> Because that's a fucking previous log, isn't it?
[08:07] <DragonM372> Roxie: I was not. :/
[08:07] <DragonM372> No.
[08:07] <Rimple> Rox: no, th hat was someone else
[08:07] <DragonM372> Please show me the log and timestamp.
[08:07] <Roxie> Who said that then
06[08:07] * Swaghetti sighs
[08:07] <@Roget> alright guys
08[08:07] <@salvagebar> OK
[08:07] <@Roget> change topic, talk about something else
[08:07] <@Roget> op order
[08:07] <DragonM372> Mm.
[08:07] <Roxie> Oh this is straight up bullshit
[08:07] <General_Varren> Oh my lord. I walked into a lovely little storm here, didn't I?
[08:07] <DragonM372> Moving on.
[08:07] <Takov> I like fumos
[08:07] <Quin> General_Varren: indeed
[08:07] <Takov> General_Varren: Yep
[08:07] <ChaoSera> I propose we talk about why onions are delicious and why Silber is wrong
[08:07] <GibberingEloquence> How about classical 2D animation?
[08:07] <Quin> Takov: you like takis?
[08:08] <Swaghetti> Talk about a weiner flipping skip
[08:08] <thomas> I'm not sure if I agree with trans people, they have skeletons inside them and that makes them fundamentally untrustworthy
[08:08] <FFT> Onions are fine if they're cooked
[08:08] <DragonM372> I hate animation.
[08:08] <@Roget> onions are delicious that is accurate
[08:08] <Takov> No
[08:08] <DragonM372> thomas: We are moving on'
[08:08] <Roxie> Roget: We can't talk about trans stuff without cis people butting in and telling us we're wrong. When we try and defend ourselves, the conversation gets opstopped and thus we can't talk about that trans thing any more.
[08:08] <General_Varren> Onions are pretty good if you cook them
[08:08] <Lintharo> onions arent that great
[08:08] <Quin> Takov: heretic!
[08:08] <thomas> same goes for cats and fish
[08:08] <Quin> :P
[08:08] <DragonM372> I hate animation, it's hard
[08:08] <DragonM372> I have a class
[08:08] <GibberingEloquence> Roxie, calm down.
[08:08] <Takov> http://i.4cdn.org/jp/1476783565971.jpg I love fumos
[08:08] <ChaoSera> thomas: Are you a bug person?
[08:08] <@Roget> Roxie: we stop any conversation that's getting heated and appearing to go nowhere
[08:08] <thomas> just look at those shifty eyes on these things http://petus.imageg.net/PETNA_36/pimg/pPETNA-4032756_main_r200.jpg
[08:09] <Swaghetti> GibberingEloquence: dont say calm doewn
[08:09] <Roxie> GibberingEloquence: Calm down? Calm down? Do you think two words are magically going to cure my ailment of being frustrated?
[08:09] <thomas> I just know it's the skeleton causing that
[08:09] <Roxie> No! They won't
[08:09] <Swaghetti> GibberingEloquence: warned u
[08:09] <thomas> has saying "calm down" ever worked for anybody
[08:09] <WildWilfredo> Roxie So, having watched the video Dora posted, I think I'm starting to follow your train of thought
[08:09] <Roxie> I'm sure you can just turn your emotions on and off though, can't you?
[08:09] <thomas> I don't think it has
[08:09] <@Silber> yeah I gotta agree
[08:09] <Dr_Leonard> you can turn your fucking computer off
[08:09] <Quin> GibberingEloquence: terrible idea, yo
[08:09] <General_Varren> I like turtles
[08:09] <DragonM372> GibberingEloquence: Abandon this train of thought. I would not advise it.
[08:09] <Takov> Roxie: Some people can
[08:09] <@Silber> nobody has ever heard "calm down" and calmed down
[08:09] <WildWilfredo> Roxie I's not a very explicit trans film but the message is there.
[08:09] <Swaghetti> kek i smell disappearing happening
[08:09] <Quin> Silber: i did
[08:09] <Roxie> WildWilfredo: They tried to make it one but it got cut from the film
[08:09] <Quin> Silber: once
[08:09] <DragonM372> I have calmed down when people have told me.
06[08:09] * Liampluridon sighs
[08:10] <WildWilfredo> Roxie I can tell
06[08:10] * Swaghetti sighs sighsier
[08:10] <DragonM372> Unfortunately, not everyone shares my temperament.
[08:10] <Roxie> DragonM372: Is that a fucking dig at me?
[08:10] <GibberingEloquence> Roxie: ok, don't calm down.
[08:10] <shaggydredlocks> Dr_Leonard: Chill
[08:10] <Swaghetti> …u just made it worse
[08:10] <shaggydredlocks> Sorry
06[08:10] * General_Varren sighs louder than others because competition
[08:10] <DragonM372> Roxie: No. Nothing I ever say is a personal attack on you. Ever.
[08:10] <Dr_Leonard> yeah
[08:10] <shaggydredlocks> DragonM372:
06[08:10] * Quin mOOOOOOOOOM
[08:10] <@Roget> guys lets move on
[08:10] <@Silber> DragonM372, don't be passive-aggressive.
[08:10] <DragonM372> Yet you take it as if it is.
[08:10] <Roxie> CAN WE ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT ME AS IF I'M NOT HERE, BY THE WAY
[08:10] <Dr_Leonard> let's everybody else calm down and let her roar at us for an hour
[08:10] <FFT> ops (again >_>)
[08:10] <shaggydredlocks> .lc
[08:10] <%jarvis> shaggydredlocks: SCP-2607 (written 17 minutes ago by ch00bakka) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
[08:10] <%jarvis> shaggydredlocks: SCP-2315 (written 2 hours ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[08:10] <%jarvis> shaggydredlocks: SCP-2258 (written 2 hours ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
[08:10] <WildWilfredo> Lets start a fight club
[08:10] <Dr_Leonard> don't even bother kicking me, i'm finished here
[08:10] <Roxie> FFT: There are orps right here.
[08:11] <shaggydredlocks> How bout skips
[08:11] <Dr_Leonard> what a fucking disgrace
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[08:11] <Takov> http://i.4cdn.org/jp/1476798845430.jpg Fumos are so cute
[08:11] <GibberingEloquence> So how about that new game
[08:11] <DragonM372> I am moving on. I refuse to answer any further questions or comments about the subject.
[08:11] <WildWilfredo> Begin the Fight Club. the first rule is, you do not talk about it
[08:11] <GibberingEloquence> That cool game
[08:11] <Roxie> oh for fucks sake
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[08:11] <Roxie> this is all bullshit
[08:11] <@Roget> is that what those dolls are called
[08:11] <@Silber> and guys, if you want to argue a stop order, take it to #site17
[08:11] <WildWilfredo> Red Dead Redemption 2?
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[08:11] <Takov> Roget: YEP
[08:11] <Roxie> there were about five people talking about me in the third person there
[08:11] <Takov> Yep*
[08:11] <Roxie> talking shit about me
[08:11] <Roxie> as if i wasn't there
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[08:11] <Liampluridon> I think we need another stop order.
[08:11] <DragonM372> Liampluridon: That'd be best.
[08:11] <Takov> http://i.4cdn.org/jp/1476804720542.jpg
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[08:12] <WildWilfredo> Takov Touhuo was a mistake
[08:12] <Lintharo> guys i know a good thing we can get collectively annoyed about
[08:12] <Takov> WildWilfredo: YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
[08:12] <thomas> ah yes, passive aggressive part messages
[08:12] <@Silber> So, op order, no more meta-arguing about arguing about movies.
[08:12] <Lintharo> this website
[08:12] <Swaghetti> who wrote the message about cummingtonite coz that shit is funny to my child mind
[08:12] <thomas> the most constructive form of resolving an argument
[08:12] <Lintharo> https://sciencedefeated.wordpress.com/
[08:12] <Roxie> Oh for FUCKS SAKE
[08:12] <WildWilfredo> Takov TOUHUO ISNT A BULLET GAME. ITS JUST CHEAP FANSERVICE
[08:12] <Takov> Swaghetti: Me
[08:12] <Roxie> YET AGAIN, TRANS DISCUSSION IS BANNED
[08:12] <WildWilfredo> Takov CHEAP
[08:12] <DragonM372> TOUHOU IS LIFE
[08:12] <Takov> Wild: Pfffft
[08:12] <WildWilfredo> Takov FANSERVICE
[08:12] <DragonM372> TOUHOU IS LOVE
[08:12] <tahunu> DragonM372: no, that's shrek
[08:12] <DragonM372> WildWilfredo: LIES
[08:12] <@Dora> Roget actually, it's more like ops are reading through the logs
[08:12] <Liampluridon> Roxie: You are missing the point.
[08:12] <General_Varren> wait, what?
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[08:13] <shaggydredlocks> It'd be nice to have an lc targeting only tales…
[08:13] <@Dora> *Roxie
[08:13] <@Dora> aww darn it
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[08:13] <DragonM372> *sigh* Roxie….
[08:13] <thomas> MORE passive aggressive… actually idk if that one was passive aggressive
[08:13] <DragonM372> Like, ffs
[08:13] <Lintharo> if you want to blow off anger, just go on that website
[08:13] <GibberingEloquence> Roxie: it's not the argument itself, it's the way people were arguing.
[08:13] <General_Varren> dear lord….
06[08:13] * Swaghetti exhales
[08:13] <Swaghetti> B O I
[08:13] <Takov> Gibbering: She left
[08:13] <General_Varren> This is the reason I don't pop in here much anymore
[08:13] <WildWilfredo> D A T
[08:13] <Swaghetti> S J I T
[08:13] <DragonM372> She takes things way too personal.
03[08:13] * salvagebar sets mode: +m
08[08:13] <@salvagebar> All right
08[08:14] <@salvagebar> So, talking about people like they aren't there - not cool
08[08:14] <@salvagebar> Just pushing the pause button here
08[08:14] <@salvagebar> I hate being topic police
08[08:14] <@salvagebar> People feel things strongly
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08[08:15] <@salvagebar> Passionate people have to have their say
08[08:15] <@salvagebar> I care about you all very much
08[08:15] <@salvagebar> I can't fix everything, and I hate this all sounds so "fortune cookie"
08[08:15] <@salvagebar> but I wish we could engage in heated and difficult discussions
08[08:16] <@salvagebar> with more, errr
08[08:16] <@salvagebar> Idk civility?
03[08:16] * salvagebar sets mode: -m
11[08:16] <Swaghetti> That was refreshing.Thanks, salvagebar luv u bebe
[08:16] <General_Varren> As a note, that Varren guy is a butt.
[08:16] <Liampluridon> Thank.
[08:16] <FFT> 4th
11[08:16] <GibberingEloquence> salvagebar: I agree.
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[08:16] <Smapti> So, who wants an awesome recipe for calzones? http://newwrestlecrap.proboards.com/thread/27420/cookin-smapti-issue-8-calzones
[08:16] <Takov> http://is.4chan.org/jp/1476817569872.jpg
[08:16] <FFT> Also agree
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[08:16] <WildWilfredo> As I was saying..
[08:16] <Smapti> Written by me and posted on a message board for pro wrestling fans, because why the hell not.
[08:17] <NinjaPhoenix> oh god their faces takov xD
[08:17] <DragonM372> Moving on.
[08:17] <WildWilfredo> Touhuo is JUST CHEAP CHIBI FANSERVICE
[08:17] <Lintharo> https://sciencedefeated.wordpress.com/
[08:17] <Lintharo> why dont we talk about how stupid this website is
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[08:17] <Takov> WildWilfredo: I hope a flying laser loli makes you go pichuuun
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[08:17] <Buttfranklin> hey look it's site19!
[08:17] <DragonM372> Buttfranklin: Morning, Franklin.
[08:17] <WildWilfredo> You missed the fun.
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[08:17] <WildWilfredo> NOT
[08:17] <Rimple> Yo butt
[08:18] <Swaghetti> My fave amphibole
[08:18] <GibberingEloquence> Buttfranklin: hi there
[08:18] <Swaghetti> is cummingtonite
[08:18] <Buttfranklin> wildwilfredo imagine there being fun around here
[08:18] <DragonM372> Buttfranklin: You missed the *drama, I believe WildWilfredo was trying to say.
[08:18] <Buttfranklin> ooo enlighten me?
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[08:18] <thomas> protip
[08:18] <Takov> Let's not
[08:18] <Swaghetti> no
[08:18] <thomas> don't bring up The Drama
[08:18] <Buttfranklin> lolz
[08:18] <thomas> it causes more drama
[08:18] <Swaghetti> no bring up
[08:18] <WildWilfredo> Opinions are wrong and humanity is doomed.
[08:18] <@Dora> DragonM372 okay guys
[08:18] <Takov> There'll be logs on O5 probably later
[08:18] <DragonM372> Buttfranklin: Word of God says that we are not allowed.
[08:18] <Swaghetti> leave the past in the past
[08:18] <@Dora> can we not bring this up again?
[08:18] <Swaghetti> *hits blunt*
[08:18] <GibberingEloquence> Agreed, let's not bring it up
[08:18] <Buttfranklin> cool
[08:18] <DragonM372> Dora: Please don't tab me and then say "guys" :/ It feels singled out.
[08:18] <Buttfranklin> what's your favourite kind of pasta
[08:18] <WildWilfredo> I think if aliens want to destroy humanity, they would just give everyone a ray gun
[08:19] <Swaghetti> I know what we should bring up
[08:19] <Swaghetti> Weiner flipping
[08:19] <@Dora> okay
[08:19] <@Dora> DragonM372 can we not bring this up again?
[08:19] <Swaghetti> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/hexadon2
[08:19] <Smapti> I could go for some Sunday gravy with penne.
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[08:19] <Buttfranklin> sunday gravy? is that a euphemism haha
[08:19] <@Dora> esp. when this is getting really close to "talking about people behind their back"
[08:19] <Rimple> I had this really nice pasta recently, stuffed with venison
[08:19] <@Dora> chat's moved on, and that's an OP order
[08:19] <Rimple> So nice
[08:19] <WildWilfredo> how do you flip a dick
[08:19] <Smapti> No, that's an Italian-American dinner.
[08:19] <DragonM372> I'm not the only one who was talking about it. That was my point. But whatever. :/
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[08:20] <Swaghetti> WildWilfredo: with http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/hexadon2 SCP-008=D
[08:20] <Takov> http://i.4cdn.org/jp/1476829806538.jpg Oh damn, they got Sekibanki and Kagerou ones now?
[08:20] <eris> have we all calmed down now?
[08:20] <Smapti> Basically it's a whole shitload of beef and pork - meatballs, steak, porkchops, sausages, etc - simmered in tomato sauce and served with pasta.
[08:20] <ChaoSera> Takov: What the hell is that even?
[08:20] <Takov> Yes
[08:20] <WildWilfredo> Takov likes to collect trash
[08:20] <Takov> wow rude
[08:20] <DragonM372> eris: More or less.
[08:20] <Buttfranklin> smapti that sounds outrageously decadent
[08:20] <Buttfranklin> i love it
[08:20] <Takov> ChaoSera: Plushes of Touhou characters
[08:21] <WildWilfredo> AKA Trash…hehe joking
[08:21] <WildWilfredo> really, whats the appeal of touhuo?
[08:21] <@Silber> Weeaboo trash is a kind of trash.
[08:21] <Smapti> It's called "Sunday gravy" because mama would start making it right after church on Sunday and have it ready just in time for dinner.
[08:21] <FFT> I don't get it either
[08:21] <WildWilfredo> Well, good soundtrack…but thats it
[08:21] <Quin> Smapti: that sounds amazing
[08:21] <FFT> The only shmup I'll play is Tyrian 2000
[08:21] <Buttfranklin> smapti that sounds involved
[08:21] <Buttfranklin> also amazing obvs
[08:21] <Takov> WildWilfredo: Fun games, fan art, music, fan music, fanfiction
[08:21] <FFT> Because I don't die in ONE FUCKING HIT
[08:21] <@Silber> It doesn't have its own bin at the recycling center, sure.
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[08:21] <@Silber> But that's because even they don't want it.
[08:21] <thomas> eris if by "calmed down" you mean "carefully bottled away emotions so that we can get even more mad later" then yes
[08:22] <Quin> Silber: is it bad?
[08:22] <@Silber> Quin: That depends on what kind of "bad" you mean.
[08:22] <@Dora> .lc
[08:22] <%jarvis> dora: SCP-2607 (written 29 minutes ago by ch00bakka) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
[08:22] <%jarvis> dora: SCP-2315 (written 2 hours ago by JCdaboss) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2315
[08:22] <%jarvis> dora: SCP-2258 (written 2 hours ago by Azku) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2258
[08:22] <WildWilfredo> :3 its about the tons of r34 isn't it Takov…
[08:22] <Takov> That too~
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[08:22] <WildWilfredo> BUT THATS ILEGAL
[08:22] <DragonM372> Morning, the_xenomorph666
[08:22] <the_xenomorph666> hi
[08:22] <the_xenomorph666> hey dragon
[08:22] <GibberingEloquence> Hiya xeno
[08:22] <Quin> Silber: is it good? Is it…/scrumptious?/
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[08:23] <DragonM372> Quin: Scrumdiddlyumtious
[08:23] <DragonM372> umptious*
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[08:23] <Smapti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk6omPlM8bw
[08:23] <%jarvis> smapti: Spiderman Will Make You Gay - length 19s - 514↑56↓ - 162,729 views - gumball135 on 2009-04-28

And here is the kick/ban:

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22* 26Soulless sets ban on 18*!~ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc
18<TheTellmen18> halp
18<TheTellmen18> halp
18<NineVolt18> Tuomey Not big surprise
18<AidenEldritch18> TheTellmen: what the shit are you talking about
18<TheTellmen18> i got a phonesexually transmitted disease
18<Levi18> JUST DANCE
18<TheTellmen18> scp-2607
18<jarvis18> thetellmen: SCP-2607: Herpes ERPlex (written 13 hours ago by ch00bakka; rating: +36) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2607
18* NineVolt gets funky
18<cthuvianCultist18> Ok, so, I have a little problem, for my tale, I'm gonna have about 6 different parts, each showing a different outcome of one event,
18<cthuvianCultist18> I'm having someone in a log pre-event
18<Tuomey18> warnign for flashy bullshit: http://cdn.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05624.gif
18<TheTellmen18> What I just said is relevant to the skip that I linked.
18<cthuvianCultist18> Give out a code
22* 26Soulless has kicked 18Takov from 22#site19 (24Upon review of your behavior from your unbanning last week, the operators have decided that you continue to participate in debates where you troll or bait fellow members, and therefore we've decided to ban you permanently. Please head to #site17 if you have any questions or concerns.)

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Re: Takov

thedeadlymoose 20 Oct 2016 03:51

Takov appealed. We decided to post a vote on whether to take his appeal on O5.

Given how quickly these issues occurred (and there were other minor issues from Takov that weren't logged literally days after he returned) I think it wouldn't be appropriate to shorten the ban past 2 or 3 months. Six months is a potentially useful option. However, rejecting the appeal and keeping the ban permanent (with possibility of appeal in one year) is also an option.

Ops/chatmins only, please.

Soulless is posting the logs of his appeal shortly.

Last edited on 20 Oct 2016 04:13 by thedeadlymoose Show more

Re: Takov

SoullessSingularity 20 Oct 2016 03:51

Takov is appealing the ban. Please weigh in. Logs have been heavily edited to cut out several random netslpits and side-convo.

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<Soulless> Takov, Specifically, no, but there were seveal concerns of multiple smaller spats throughout today
<Soulless> Takov, however, since I understand the evidence isn't coming up right now, you can make an appeal to the ban if you feel it's too weak, as other operators may agree that you're being unfairly treated
<Takov> I'm making an appeal then…
<Takov> …how does these go, again?
<Decibelle> state why you think your ban was either unwarranted ot said length of ban is too harsh, make your case for it, talk with operators about their specific points concerning your ban, operators make a decision
<Decibelle> also, the operator you appeal to must be different from the one who banned you
<Decibelle> i cant take your appeal; im no longer chat staff
<Decibelle> just wanted to chime in and clarify
<Soulless> Yes, I'll let someone else handle you, since I am likely biased against you if I'm the one who banned you
<Takov> Kay.
<minmin> Takov: hi I am another operator
<djkaktus> I hear you

• djkaktus brofist
• Takov brofist

<Takov> Well, as you can see I've been banned for among things what I said earlier during an extremely conversation
<Takov> an extremely nasty converstation*
<minmin> yeah, ive got the logs, and they are a slog
<Takov> Well, I'm not exactly what the other things are but I'll address that one
<Takov> [07:52] <Roxie> the Wachowski SISTERS [07:53] <Takov> Roxie: sisbros
<minmin> not exactly what the other things are?
<Takov> not exactly sure* damn brain
<Takov> Anyway, for context I'm quoting a few more lines from the logs
<Takov> [07:52] <Swaghetti> Mike Wichowski bros [07:52] <Roxie> i mean [07:52] <Roxie> they're not bros[07:52] <Roxie> they're sisters [07:52] <Roxie> the Wachowski SISTERS [07:53] <Smapti> Cisbros? [07:53] <WildWilfredo> Sisbrosters
<minmin> I see
<Takov> Roxie said "not bros" ""they're sisters" I said "sisbros" as a light-hearted, dumb joke to hopefully take off the edge of the conversation that was ensuing. I honestly pictured two sisters brofisting each other.
<minmin> personally, I don't believe that warrants complete escalation to perma, yeah
<minmin> and I would like to believe you don't intend that
<minmin> anyway thanks
<thedeadlymoose> Takov: You constantly say things that low-level mock marginalized groups. I'm willing to believe it's all unintentional (actually, that just is what I believe), but it's disruptive and shitty regardless of intent. If you don't get permabanned over this, how are you going to address the issue? Because assuring us that you didn't mean it in any serious way (which I think is true) only flies…
<Takov> thedeadlymoose: I'm not exactly sure it's "constantly" but then I guess I'll do my best to avoid mentioning them period.
<thedeadlymoose> Takov: It's not daily, but it happens with fair regularity, and given your high presence in chat, that adds up to a lot of disruption.
<Takov> Not taking issue with that in particular, just never thought I'd be seen as such.
<Takov> thedeadlymoose: Well, I'll stop then.
<thedeadlymoose> Takov: How would you stop, if you're unsure there's even a problem? (Not rhetorical.)
<Takov> I'll just avoid mentioning such groups period.
<Takov> Unless I can provide useful, factual information. (Like…I dunno, ancient African culture?)
<Takov> So…
<Takov> unRIP half the channel
<thedeadlymoose> ops, pls continue hearing Takov out (sorry, I think wires got crossed with DM372)
<thedeadlymoose> whoa holy fuck
<thedeadlymoose> did my message even go through
<Takov> it did
<Takov> to me at least
<minmin> Takov: yeah, is there anything else?
<Takov> minmin: Well, one last thing. I just find it a bit…bizarre that after the hugeass shitstorm that was this morning (in my time anyway), I'm apparently the first person to get banned for it, and not only that, permabanned?
<minmin> Takov: standard escalation applies. that said, we need to take a vote because leniency is also an option
<Takov> I understand.
<thedeadlymoose> Most people involved in that mess aren't 'on notice' for disruption. (Most.)
<thedeadlymoose> We're still discussing that situation overall. Yours was only the first decision come to.
<Takov> Ah.
<thedeadlymoose> It's not exactly uncommon for op discussions to take 3-6 hours unfortunately.
<thedeadlymoose> Which is also why some of the ops are getting a little short about it.
<ProcyonGhostor> (there've been a whole lot lately)
<Takov> http://is.4chan.org/jp/1475933244104.jpg Maybe we should all take it easy with some fumos
<MrAnakinSpecter> What are those dolls?
<Takov> Touhou plushes.
<minmin> can we not do this again
<minmin> do you have to post pics from 4chan every time you finish your appeal
<Takov> ?
<minmin> ._.
<MrAnakinSpecter> I'm not sure I understand the dolls?
<Takov> minmin: Sorry, I wasn't really thinking of that
<minmin> nothing inherently wrong with that but like, y tho
<minmin> ._.
<Takov> NOT AGAIN
<thedeadlymoose> welp
<Takov> minmin: 4chan just happens to be the quickest place to find cute pictures, if you know where to look
<thedeadlymoose> Takov: We're going to post your appeal on O5 and have people vote on it there. If it does get accepted, you will likely still be banned for a period of some length. Just as a fair warning.
<Takov> Fair enough.

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Re: Takov

AdminBright 20 Oct 2016 05:04

I'm down with keeping it year/perma.

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Re: Takov

Bouncl 20 Oct 2016 05:23

Takov has been banned three times now for the same behavior. "But I won't do it again" is not sufficient to dodge a standard escalation ban, and never ever should be.

Last edited on 20 Oct 2016 05:24 by Bouncl Show more

Re: Takov

ProcyonLotor 20 Oct 2016 06:36

My thoughts exactly.

Re: Takov

Dexanote 20 Oct 2016 06:35

One year/Perma. Standard escalation.

Re: Takov

(account deleted) 20 Oct 2016 14:07

a joint complaint with quin, got the logs from salvagebar

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[07:34] <Takov> So
[07:34] <Takov> May I…file a complaint?
[07:34] <Takov> and ask a few questions?
[07:35] <%Dora> yes you can
[07:35] <Takov> Well, first of all
[07:35] <%Dora> lemme give a shout to see if there are any other ops around who can weigh in
[07:36] <%Dora> Takov okay can proceed; I will log your complaint on O5
[07:36] <%Dora> *you can proceed
[07:37] <Takov> Why am I getting permabanned for a lighthearted joke in an attempt to take the edge off a shitstorm (two other people joked as well) when the person with the most vitriol in the entire chat gets just a few days?
[07:37] <Takov> Yes, I'm talking about Roxie.
[07:37] <Takov> From my thread: "Takov has been banned three times now for the same behavior."
[07:38] <Takov> I know for a fact that Roxie has been banned more than three times for the same behavior
[07:38] <Takov> And she's still around.
[07:38] <Takov> Why?
[07:39] <Takov> I love this community. I've been with it years, and despite being a jackass here and there I do genuinely love pretty much everyone here. I've helped more than a handful people with criticism and feedback on skips
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[07:39] <Takov> Meanwhile I have never seen Roxie ever even talk about SCP
[07:40] <Takov> I'm banned for "persistent disruption" while Roxie is far, far more persistent and disruptive than I ever am. I can't recall ever throwing the entire channel into a shitstorm, let alone again and again like she does.
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[07:41] <Takov> I'm of the opinion, and pardon my French, that's this is a little fucking bullshit.
[07:41] <Takov> that this*
[07:41] <Takov> And I'm just going to flat out say it
[07:42] <%Dora> okay, full disclosure: I was not around to discuss your ban with the other ops yesterday, so at this stage I can only refer you to what's on O5 in term of the reasonings
[07:42] <Takov> You or at least thedeadlymoose, are going on easy on Roxie just because she's trans.
[07:42] <%Dora> but I will forward this to the rest of the operators
[07:43] <Takov> How many users has Roxie more or less forced to leave?
[07:43] <Takov> I can see what Metaphysician was talking about in his rants.
[07:44] <%Dora> hmm… I'm not quite sure about that question, actually
[07:45] <Quin> Me, Fiesta, Metaphysician at least
[07:45] <Takov> GreenWolf as well
[07:45] <%Dora> like, in term of yesterday's incident, for example, there were a number of people given bans of various length
[07:45] <%Dora> (including Roxie herself)
[07:46] <Takov> Yes, for like 3 days
[07:46] <Takov> What'd the others get?
[07:46] <Takov> Weeks? Months? Permas like me?
[07:46] <Quin> She's also been banned before, and that hasn't changed anything
[07:46] <Takov> ^
[07:47] <%Dora> beyond that, we'll have to comb through the banlog over a period of time, and that'd only speak for people who get banned or otherwise logged on O5; we have no control on users not being on chat for their own reasons
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[07:49] <%Dora> and of course, "forced to leave" is a rather difficult construct to determine
[07:49] <%Dora> so I can't give you a quote on "How many users has Roxie more or less forced to leave?" right now
[07:49] <%Dora> in regard to the other points you've raised
[07:49] <%Dora> gimme a sec to read through the logs again
[07:50] <ChaoSera> Roxie hasn't forced anyone to leave. If anything people have interacted with her in a manner that caused them to be banned
[07:50] <Takov> I'll also like to note that in Roxie's thread thedeadlymoose said "When Roxie said something similar to Takov upthread, it was borderline, but in response to bait"
[07:50] <Takov> What I said was "[07:57] <Takov> …You're kinda the one starting things."
[07:50] <Takov> That wasn't bait. I genuinely felt that.
[07:51] <Takov> ChaoSera: Yet she gets passes again and again when she interacts with people vitriolically.
[07:52] <Quin> It's still disappointing that multiple users have been banned or decided that out community isn't worth it because of multiple arguments started by Roxie. What we're saying is that what 19 has become basically a dystopia; you can't express your own opinions without someone exploding at you with theirs, leading to you being banned.
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[07:53] <Takov> Couldn't have said ti better myself.
[07:53] <Takov> it*
[07:53] <%Dora> Takov technically that's incorrect - as in, it was /me/ who brought up the "Matrix as a trans narrative" reading and not Roxie
[07:53] <ChaoSera> I honestly can't blame Roxie for blowing up over issues that, to her, are an attack on her identity as transgender
[07:53] <%Dora> also
[07:54] <Quin> ChaoSera: saying being trans is a "lifestyle" is an assault on your identity?
[07:54] <ChaoSera> Yes
[07:54] <ChaoSera> Because it's not a lifestyle
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[07:54] <%Dora> Quin would you want to lodge a complaint/appeal now as well, or would you prefer me to finish with Takov's one first?
[07:54] <Takov> ChaoSera: She blows up at the smallest things
[07:55] <Takov> Even when the discussion has nothing to do with trans anything.
[07:55] <Quin> Dora: As far as I'm concerned, Takov and I are putting forth the same complaint.
[07:55] <%Dora> right
[07:55] <Takov> I agree.
[07:56] <ChaoSera> Takov: I don't disagree that Roxie can have a short fuse. Which has already led to her being banned multiple times
[07:56] <Quin> ChaoSera: which hasn't changed anything in the slightest
[07:56] <Takov> ChaoSera: Yet she has never improved.
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[07:56] <ChaoSera> Also Dora pls stop me if I'm out of line here, I don't wanna backseat mod or anything
[07:56] <ChaoSera> Just tryin to help out
[07:57] <%Dora> thanks
[07:57] <Takov> Again, I'm permabanned after getting "banned three times now for the same behavior."
[07:57] <%Dora> just gimme a sec tho, and I can address this myself
[07:57] <ChaoSera> Alright
[07:57] <Takov> And I ask again, how many times has Roxie been banned for the same behavior?
[07:58] <%Dora> Takov now, one thing I'd say is that I'd object to/question the validity of, is this "Roxie forced people to leave chat" construction
[07:58] <%Dora> specifically, the idea of Quin as an example of this
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[07:59] <%Dora> (I'm looking up the logs on Fiesta et al. in another tab and may go back to them later, but let's start with this first)
[08:00] <%Dora> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-1951755/quin
[08:00] <%Dora> now as far as I can tell, Quin, you were only kicked, not banned
[08:00] <Quin> Yes
[08:01] <Quin> I was kicked for standing up for someone else who was kicked for (even jokingly) expressing a differing opinion
[08:01] <%Dora> and based on the evident presented on that O5 thread alone, it can be observed that Roxie was not the only one taking offense to your statements
[08:02] <Quin> Soulless did, as well
[08:02] <Quin> That's why he kicked me
[08:02] <Quin> Or she or whatever
[08:02] <%Dora> and Decibelle, in the O3 comment
[08:02] <%Dora> and me, as wel
[08:03] <Quin> For simply saying "lifestyle."
[08:03] <ChaoSera> Agin, because it is not a lifestyle
[08:03] <ChaoSera> *Again
[08:03] <Quin> ChaoSera: why the hell isn't it?
[08:03] <ChaoSera> Because it's not something you choose or decide
[08:03] <Quin> ChaoSera: then why have people decided to become trans?
[08:04] <ChaoSera> They haven't. It's not a DECISION
[08:04] <%Dora> and if it's required me to elaborate on my position, then let this be on the record - this is me, speaking as both a transgender person and an operator
[08:04] <%Dora> ChaoSera I got this
[08:04] <ChaoSera> Aight, sorry
08[08:04] <%salvagebar> I'm here
[08:04] <%Dora> I mean, yes I was about to basically made ChaoSera's point, but in a bit more details
11[08:05] <%Dora> salvagebar gimme a shout if I get out of line here, ok?
08[08:05] <%salvagebar> OK carry on - I'm just saying I'm here
[08:06] <%Dora> Quin now, first thing first, so that we can be on the same page: how much understanding do you have of LGBT+ issues?
06[08:06] * %Dora just to be clear, so I know how much context/groundwork I need to lay
[08:06] <Quin> Dora: I know LGBT people vaguely; I don't care enough to ask about their organization.
[08:09] <%Dora> but you're aware of anti-LGBT+ discrimination and bigotry as a thing that happens, right?
[08:09] <Quin> Dora: I am.
[08:11] <%Dora> so we can all agree on LGBT+ populations being especially vulnerable populations, right?
[08:12] <%Dora> Seeing as we have to face various prevasive threats to our physical and mental well-being that specifically target us
[08:12] <Quin> Dora: no more vulnerable than anyone else who is persecuted.
[08:13] <Quin> Dora: The same thing happens to Christians in the middle east and to Muslims in America.
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[08:13] <Rim> Testing testing is this thing on
[08:13] <Takov> No
[08:13] <Takov> It's not on
[08:13] <Rim> Damn I'll have to try again
[08:13] <%Dora> well, this is not some sort of "vulnerability competition", and I do not disagree that there are people prosecuted for other reasons than being LGBT+ - racism, misogyny etc. exist, too
[08:14] <Rim> This is the writing advice channel yeah?
08[08:14] <%salvagebar> Rim we're trying to take care of business right now
[08:14] <Rim> Oh okay, sorry.
08[08:14] <%salvagebar> please take your writing advice to #site19 for the next half hour
[08:14] <ChaoSera> Rim: You can just as well ask for writing advice in 19
08[08:14] <%salvagebar> then we'll be happy to hel[
08[08:14] <%salvagebar> *help
[08:15] <Quin> Dora: I never said anything about competitions. My point is that LGBT+ are not the only ones persecuted; as such, I'm not sure what your point is.
[08:15] <%Dora> but I don't think it's ground to say "LGBT+ people are /not/ especially vulnerable" compared to the mainstream in society
[08:16] <Quin> Dora: I would disagree with that.
[08:17] <%Dora> it's more that yes, people targeted for the race in a racist society are especially vulnerable, too, as well as women who face misogyny
[08:18] <%Dora> those are all vulnerable groups compared to what is deemed "the norm", "the standard" in their society
[08:19] <Quin> Dora: I would argue that society is made up of many different groups, each vulnerable to others. If, then, each group is, as we have said, vulnerable, what names one group more so than the others?
[08:19] <%Dora> (and that's leaving aside the intersection between those various categories - like, with, say, a transgender Asian person leaving in a Western country, for example)
[08:20] <Quin> Agreed
[08:20] <Takov> Anyway, I've said all I wanted to say for my complaint.
[08:21] <Quin> I have four minutes before first block
[08:21] <Quin> Dora: we can finish this later?
[08:22] <%Dora> Quin I will try to get as much out within the next 4 minutes, then
[08:22] <%Dora> and if I fail at that, then yes Takov, Quin, we can continue the discussion later
[08:22] <%Dora> now, a couple of clarification: when I said "especially vulnerable", I meant to compare it to the normative standards of society
[08:23] <%Dora> like I said before, this is not a "vulnerability competition", and we shouldn't be comparing different vulnerable groups to see who "win" this competition
[08:23] <%Dora> and, well
[08:23] <%Dora> Quin
[08:23] <%Dora> Dora: I never said anything about competitions
[08:24] <%Dora> so I think we can all agree on that. We're not arguing for special status for LGBT+ people among all else
[08:24] <Quin> Right. This is about equality in treatment from the 0ps
[08:25] <%Dora> now, one question: what do you mean by equality
[08:25] <%Dora> if I may use an analogy (which I sort of just thought up on the spot, so it might not be the best fit, but let's see it it's close enough)
[08:25] <Quin> Dora: bannable offenses should be the same across the board
[08:26] <%Dora> let's say, we have a person who need to use a wheelchair
[08:26] <Quin> Dora: if Takov was perma'd for doing the same thing three times, so should someone else.
[08:27] <Quin> That simple
[08:27] <%Dora> so yeah, of course they'd like for buildings to have ramps so they can enter
[08:27] <Takov> ^
[08:27] <%Dora> Quin sorry, I'm discussing your case first, will circle back to Takov in a sec
[08:27] <Takov> Dora: It's fine, again I've said all I wanted to say
[08:27] <%Dora> now, if someone else now say "oh why that wheelchair-bound person can't just use the stairs like everyone else"
[08:27] <Takov> ^ isn't exactly a word :P
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[08:28] <%Dora> "Everyone using stairs would be /equal/, right?"
[08:28] <%Dora> I mean, technically from a grammatical standpoint, one can say the word "equal" was not misused there
[08:29] <%Dora> doesn't not mean it's exactly /fair/ in this scenario, is it
[08:30] <%Dora> now, okay Qlass sorry that this is not ideal, but I'll have to make this really quick. Get back to me when you have time if you want me to go into this in more details
[08:30] <%Dora> now, with things like "oh, trans people are "ruining" this beloved things of our culture" - to paraphrase this DoctorHoffsman guy
[08:32] <%Dora> or, actually, more relevantly, your statement of our gender identity as just a "lifestyle"
[08:33] <%Dora> Qlass you've said it yourself that you've not paid attentions/not aware in-details about LGBT+ issues and struggles, so I am willing to give the benefit of doubt, and see your statements as more out of lack of awareness and not deliberate malice
[08:34] <%Dora> but
[08:35] <%Dora> if you have any understanding of, say, "conversion therapy" (as practiced mainly in the US, and unfortunately in other places as well), or transphobic bullying in general
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[08:37] <%Dora> or the various barriers to appropriate healthcare access to trans population in healthcare systems across the world
08[08:37] <%salvagebar> hello Scantron
08[08:37] <%salvagebar> Scandude
[08:37] <Scantron> hi
[08:37] <%Dora> you'll know that the pervasive (and, let us be clear about this upfront here, *inaccurate*) idea that our trans-ness is just a "lifestyle" that we can choose and drop at our leisure
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[08:38] <Scantron> go away
[08:38] <%Dora> has been used to justify bullying us
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[08:38] <%Dora> accusing us of being "sinful" and "immoral" and "ruining society/culture/morality" etc.
[08:39] <%Dora> it has been used to justify denying us of life-saving medical interventions and support
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[08:40] <%Dora> (and yes, I have spent the last few months doing research on the frankly awful treatments of trans people by the medical systems, so I can get into this in details if you wish)
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[08:41] <%Dora> (I mean, without exaggeration, some of us have to buy our medicine from the black market and inject them into our veins ourselves)
[08:42] <%Dora> that's a factual statement
[08:47] <%Dora> I mean, sorry for being a downer, but I can definitely look up the various statistics on suicide rate of trans populations, and how they tend to be markedly higher compared to that of the general populations
[08:49] <%Dora> and things "you are ruining our culture" and "it's your lifestyle, you choose this fate on yourself" are very much part of the bullying rhetorics that lead so many of us to take our own lives
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[08:50] <%Dora> (or lead to people to offer us violence. that, too)
[08:51] <%Dora> so I will have to disagree with the idea that those kind of statements being innocent things that should not attract any kind of op intervention or disciplinary measures whatsoever
[08:52] <%Dora> we cannot allow that to be on our chatrooms. For my sake, for Deci's, for thedeadlymoose's, and for all other LGBT+ members we have, and all who may want to join us in the future
[08:53] <%Dora> and I will have to disagree with the idea that this is special favouritism for Roxie, either
04[08:53] <%Dora> if you have any other questions, feel free to take it up with me, other OPs/chat admins/chat owner, as appropriate

A while after that:
15:22 *** Guest10293 is now known as GreenWolf
15:23 GreenWolf .tell Takov Don't presume to speak for me. Ever. You are not my friend, you do not know me, you do not know my reasons. I don not appreciate your slander.
15:23 jarvis greenwolf: It will be done.
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15:24 Athenodora … do we need to log that
15:25 Athenodora I mean, is that related to Takov's complaint earlier, or something else I do not know of?
15:25 GreenWolf yes
15:25 GreenWolf it is

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Re: Takov

A Random Day 21 Oct 2016 19:26

Came in to 17 to ask about the ban, tried guilt-tripping and complaining about 'double standards', I got snippy (my bad, won't happen again)

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<Takov> So
3:04 PM <Takov> Is my ban a year or perma?
3:05 PM <Takov>Because a few in the thread said a year
3:07 PM → •Conwell (halfopped) joined
3:07 PM <•ARD> Perma
3:08 PM <•ARD> You can appeal in a year
3:08 PM <Takov> You know,
3:08 PM <Takov> I once loved this community.
3:09 PM <Takov> But guess that doesn't matter.
3:09 PM <•ARD> See you in a year
3:10 PM <Takov> Or maybe never.
3:10 PM <Takov> Also
3:10 PM <•ARD> Don't let the door hit ya on the way out
3:10 PM <Takov> double standards are really, really fucking terrible.
3:10 PM ← Takov left (~ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc#ecnad.revetahw|alliztahc)

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