GreenWolf

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Repeated arguing and dickishness

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GreenWolf

Decibelles 18 Jan 2016 04:55

Linking to this thread for prior behavior.

A month ago, both GreenWolf and Vertigo got into an argument, and given recent popups, and the fact that Wolf has a prior record of not behaving in chat, well… this thread is being made. There's been more incidents that haven't been logged where he's either been unofficially warned or left chat before causing more trouble.

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[Context]

[2015-12-18 21:28:10] <DolphinSlugchugger> wait what the everliving fuck
[2015-12-18 21:28:28] <DolphinSlugchugger> The Know Nothing party called temselves the Native American Party? the fuck?
[2015-12-18 21:28:35] <GreenWolf> yes
[2015-12-18 21:28:36] <GreenWolf> they did
[2015-12-18 21:28:41] <caseymilo> well it could be worse
[2015-12-18 21:28:49] <Famine_> >_>
[2015-12-18 21:28:49] <GreenWolf> that tells you exactly what kind of assholes they were
[2015-12-18 21:28:56] <Blake> the
[2015-12-18 21:29:02] <Blake> the Native American Party
[2015-12-18 21:29:13] <Blake> I completely forgot the Know-Nothing party used to call themselves that
[2015-12-18 21:29:29] <DolphinSlugchugger> that's… I am hating people who are /dead/
[2015-12-18 21:29:40] <Famine_> ghosts.
[2015-12-18 21:29:41] <GreenWolf> Don't waste energy
[2015-12-18 21:29:45] <GreenWolf> hate people who are alive
[2015-12-18 21:29:49] <Blake> god
[2015-12-18 21:29:50] <Blake> I'm on ao3 and
[2015-12-18 21:29:52] <GreenWolf> and work on fixing that
[2015-12-18 21:29:57] <GreenWolf> i.e. making them not alive
[2015-12-18 21:30:03] <Blake> "If one of them touches your heart or lower parts, leave a comment asking to see it posted next!" might be the funniest line in a summary I've ever read
[2015-12-18 21:30:05] <caseymilo> Which costs energy
[2015-12-18 21:30:06] <DolphinSlugchugger> greenwolf: I mean, by saying "hate" I mean "having contempt
[2015-12-18 21:30:08] <GreenWolf> (don't kill peope)
[2015-12-18 21:30:08] <DolphinSlugchugger> "
[2015-12-18 21:30:09] <thedeadlymoose> lmao blake
[2015-12-18 21:30:15] <GreenWolf> *people
[2015-12-18 21:30:32] <DolphinSlugchugger> I don't think I really hate anyone vehemently who I know personally
[2015-12-18 21:30:46] <Famine_> i dont hate anyone im not related to
[2015-12-18 21:30:48] <DolphinSlugchugger> which isn't a good thing, probably
[2015-12-18 21:30:56] <GreenWolf> There are a few people that I really, really, despise
[2015-12-18 21:31:11] <Some_Potato> I hate some cauliflower from next door…
[2015-12-18 21:31:11] <GreenWolf> like, straight up "I wish you were dead" levels of despise
[2015-12-18 21:31:20] <Famine_> and i have met some interesting people
[2015-12-18 21:31:23] <GreenWolf> tobacco executives fall into that group
[2015-12-18 21:31:27] <caseymilo> What is the best vegetable and why is it broccoli?
[2015-12-18 21:31:34] <Famine_> stop.
[2015-12-18 21:31:53] <Famine_> best vegetable is carrots
[2015-12-18 21:31:55] <GreenWolf> seriously, if you are an executive in a tobacco company, die in a fire
[2015-12-18 21:32:01] <minmin> agreed, Famine_
[2015-12-18 21:32:03] <GreenWolf> not even kidding
[2015-12-18 21:32:06] <Some_Potato> it's because it's a little tree
[2015-12-18 21:32:18] <minmin> carrots are natural snack crunchies
[2015-12-18 21:32:21] <Famine_> brocco and ranch is good
[2015-12-18 21:32:22] <Famine_> but
[2015-12-18 21:32:24] <Some_Potato> GreenWolf, and EA
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[2015-12-18 21:32:27] <caseymilo> My dad worked for one pretty briefly
[2015-12-18 21:32:27] <Famine_> i prefer my carrots
[2015-12-18 21:32:30] <GreenWolf> Some_Potato: no
[2015-12-18 21:32:36] <Some_Potato> :(
[2015-12-18 21:32:41] <GreenWolf> EA is annoying, but they don't /literally kill people/
[2015-12-18 21:32:44] <Famine_> also > any vegetable that has been cooked in any way: abomination
[2015-12-18 21:32:46] <GreenWolf> indirectly, at least
[2015-12-18 21:33:00] <GreenWolf> like, if you make things to kill people, you are an asshole
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[2015-12-18 21:33:07] <Famine_> eh
[2015-12-18 21:33:11] <Famine_> i disagree
[2015-12-18 21:33:30] <caseymilo> I'll be honest but most people I know who are anti-smoking are also totally into drinking hard liquor and smoking weed
[2015-12-18 21:33:30] <Famine_> things *that* kill people
[2015-12-18 21:33:35] <minmin> GreenWolf: you won't be saying that when they soulbond you to a circuit board and force your etheric essence to host online FIFA matches
[2015-12-18 21:33:39] <minmin> forever
[2015-12-18 21:33:47] <caseymilo> So I don't know who they think they're fooling
[2015-12-18 21:33:54] <Famine_> i think alcohol is worse tbh
[2015-12-18 21:33:56] <Some_Potato> Yeah, but they are ruining a beloved industry
[2015-12-18 21:34:09] <GreenWolf> caseymilo: that is… such a huge generalization
[2015-12-18 21:34:13] <GreenWolf> that it actually makes me angry
[2015-12-18 21:34:18] <Famine_> i have never known anyone who could put a cork in it
[2015-12-18 21:34:25] <caseymilo> I said the people I know, not those you know.
[2015-12-18 21:34:28] <GreenWolf> Some_Potato: no, the industry is ruining itself
[2015-12-18 21:34:40] <thedeadlymoose> alcohol /is/ worse
[2015-12-18 21:34:43] <caseymilo> I live in a pretty small town anyway with like a little over 6,000 people in it anyway
[2015-12-18 21:34:45] <GreenWolf> if consumers would actually vote with their wallets, companies wouldn't pull this shit
[2015-12-18 21:34:47] <Some_Potato> Let's not start
[2015-12-18 21:34:50] <thedeadlymoose> weed isn't, so that was a little weird comparison-wise
[2015-12-18 21:34:54] <Famine_> thedeadlymoose, i just hate drunks
[2015-12-18 21:34:56] <thedeadlymoose> I don't take issue with tobacco companies personally
[2015-12-18 21:35:01] <thedeadlymoose> Famine_: I meant in terms of health, haha
[2015-12-18 21:35:25] <Metaphysician> Cannabis; the only people to actually die from it, or anything related to it, had an allergic reaction ;p
[2015-12-18 21:35:29] <Some_Potato> Famine_, drunks tend not to try to becone drunks
[2015-12-18 21:35:36] <thedeadlymoose> GreenWolf: Well, you did make an equally rage-inducing over-generalization
[2015-12-18 21:35:38] <caseymilo> I know a man who died from using weed
[2015-12-18 21:35:45] <caseymilo> A big ton box of it fell in him and he died
[2015-12-18 21:35:51] <Some_Potato> in?
[2015-12-18 21:35:51] <Metaphysician> Of course, at this point? I'm baffled about people still smoking cigarettes
[2015-12-18 21:35:54] <GreenWolf> thedeadlymoose: which was?
[2015-12-18 21:35:57] <caseymilo> On, in
[2015-12-18 21:35:58] <Vertigo> ><GreenWolf> if consumers would actually vote with their wallets, companies wouldn't pull this shit
[2015-12-18 21:35:58] <Metaphysician> I fucking HATE anti-smoking adverts.
[2015-12-18 21:35:59] <caseymilo> Both are fatal
[2015-12-18 21:36:02] <thedeadlymoose> I mean, do you loathe gun manufacturers? Do you loathe everyone in the military?
[2015-12-18 21:36:02] <Metaphysician> I almost want to smoke to spite them…
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[2015-12-18 21:36:08] <Vertigo> Seems like the vote was held, and you feel the people have voted wrong
[2015-12-18 21:36:16] <GreenWolf> thedeadlymoose: yes to a)
[2015-12-18 21:36:19] <Vertigo> And now take issue with their agency
[2015-12-18 21:36:31] <GreenWolf> military doesn't actually make things to kill people
[2015-12-18 21:36:31] <caseymilo> Yeah I don't wanna be eating a tasty venison steak with potatoes and beans and see a commercial of a lung being chopped up and having A1 Sauce pour out of it
[2015-12-18 21:36:32] * GoomAway is now known as Goomy
[2015-12-18 21:36:33] <Some_Potato> Guys
[2015-12-18 21:36:34] <GreenWolf> they just kill people
[2015-12-18 21:36:41] <Some_Potato> this is a bad idea
[2015-12-18 21:36:42] <GreenWolf> which is a separate issue entirely
[2015-12-18 21:36:43] <Some_Potato> let's not
[2015-12-18 21:36:45] <Metaphysician> No, it's not even the lung one
[2015-12-18 21:36:49] <Metaphysician> That makes sense. It's honest.
[2015-12-18 21:36:58] <Famine_> .-.
[2015-12-18 21:37:05] <caseymilo> There's the one with the little cheeldrins
[2015-12-18 21:37:06] <Metaphysician> Now this millennial bullshit I see…
[2015-12-18 21:37:19] <Famine_> i think whos to blame
[2015-12-18 21:37:23] <Some_Potato> Can we not?
[2015-12-18 21:37:28] <Famine_> are the people… purchasing it!
[2015-12-18 21:37:37] <thedeadlymoose> Re: cigarettes — people do it that I know to deal with stress
[2015-12-18 21:37:40] — thedeadlymoose shrug
[2015-12-18 21:37:54] <Some_Potato> Can we not do this?
[2015-12-18 21:37:54] <Famine_> on their own volition?
[2015-12-18 21:38:01] <Famine_> woah
[2015-12-18 21:38:02] <Metaphysician> Also, the companies lied and lied but that was, well, ages ago; I think they should have been sued into oblivion but how do people get "tricked" into it these days?
[2015-12-18 21:38:09] <Metaphysician> Everyone knows what they do.
[2015-12-18 21:38:11] <caseymilo> That's really it, it outweighs the fact that it comes at a heavy cost to their body until they are hit with that cost
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[2015-12-18 21:38:24] <Soulless> thedeadlymoose: how does the Merry Gentleman find you when you're mad, does he have a crazy-dar, because you've apparently seen him when you wake up? and he just follows you??
[2015-12-18 21:38:30] <GreenWolf> Some_Potato: no one is doing anything
[2015-12-18 21:38:36] <Metaphysician> THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcAj3lOyv3s
[2015-12-18 21:38:38] <Goomy> .showtells
[2015-12-18 21:38:40] <caseymilo> Because they're taking more solace in having a drag after work than worrying about their health, I guess
[2015-12-18 21:38:40] <Metaphysician> I am dumber for watching this.
[2015-12-18 21:38:40] <Famine_> sugar is worse than ciggs and alc
[2015-12-18 21:38:43] <BlueProtoman> Thought: What if 4chan was an SCP? Or at least an SCP-J?
[2015-12-18 21:38:50] <thedeadlymoose> Soulless: I have no idea lmao
[2015-12-18 21:38:59] <Metaphysician> This is everything I hate, in the form of an anti-smoking ad.
[2015-12-18 21:39:01] <thedeadlymoose> BlueProtoman: It was done years ago and deleted for being boring
[2015-12-18 21:39:15] — caseymilo gives Metaphysician a pistol
[2015-12-18 21:39:15] <Some_Potato> GreenWolf, everyone is tackling polarized issues and it's not gonna end well :/
[2015-12-18 21:39:17] <caseymilo> kill me
[2015-12-18 21:39:19] <Metaphysician> And this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4srWvLXZRw
[2015-12-18 21:39:23] <thedeadlymoose> "Because they're taking more solace in having a drag after work than worrying about their health, I guess" «< Accurate
[2015-12-18 21:39:32] <GreenWolf> Some_Potato: not really
[2015-12-18 21:39:33] <Soulless> thedeadlymoose: Is he like, the grim reaper, except coming to take your soul he just corrals crazy people to make the victorian-era version of an album of excessively cute cat vines
[2015-12-18 21:39:44] <thedeadlymoose> Soulless: hahahahahahahaha
[2015-12-18 21:39:55] <thedeadlymoose> I dunno how he magically knows, no
[2015-12-18 21:40:09] <Some_Potato> GreenWolf, Ys rly
[2015-12-18 21:40:12] <thedeadlymoose> I don't get the impression he knows for everyone, it's just a Giant Coincidence, I guess
[2015-12-18 21:40:19] <Soulless> thedeadlymoose: Don't disagree with me, if he was in modern day he would totally make vines of the crazy people
[2015-12-18 21:40:23] <Vertigo> Some_Potato, he can't see it.
[2015-12-18 21:40:27] <Vertigo> Just let 'er coast.
[2015-12-18 21:40:30] <Vertigo> Enjoy the ride
[2015-12-18 21:40:31] <GreenWolf> Some_Potato: no, because we are having a civil discourse
[2015-12-18 21:40:35] <BlueProtoman> thedeadlymoose: Was the concept poor, or could it have been saved with a better execution?
[2015-12-18 21:40:45] <GreenWolf> literally the only one who has an issue with it is you
[2015-12-18 21:40:56] <thedeadlymoose> BlueProtoman: The concept is poor. That said, you could still save a poor concept with good execution
[2015-12-18 21:41:01] <DolphinSlugchugger> metaphysician: holy shit
[2015-12-18 21:41:05] <thedeadlymoose> I'm not seeing an angle, personally?
[2015-12-18 21:41:11] <thedeadlymoose> Soulless: yes he would lol
[2015-12-18 21:41:20] <BlueProtoman> Some day…
[2015-12-18 21:41:21] <caseymilo> I know it's my fault for ever having buzzfeed in my Youtube search results but they just released a video criticizing how Star Wars VII has a black person in it
[2015-12-18 21:41:23] <thedeadlymoose> BlueProtoman: I mean, what would it really be beyond "lol, 4chan"
[2015-12-18 21:41:24] <DolphinSlugchugger> I'd say something about that being cancer inducing but that would be very tragic q_q
[2015-12-18 21:41:29] <GreenWolf> thedeadlymoose: eh, some concepts are so poor you can't save them
[2015-12-18 21:41:33] <caseymilo> I don't think these people know what they want
[2015-12-18 21:41:41] <thedeadlymoose> GreenWolf: that's what people said about bigfoot

[2015-12-18 21:41:45] <Vertigo> GreenWolf, how does this concern for public health carry over to other issues? Do you feel as protective when it comes to abortions?

[2015-12-18 21:41:52] <Some_Potato> I don't care much myself about the issues, but this how internet angrz start
[2015-12-18 21:41:53] <Metaphysician> Who are they trying to save? Who doesn't know what cigs do at this point?
[2015-12-18 21:41:53] <GreenWolf> well, no, I mean, —
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[2015-12-18 21:42:08] <GreenWolf> Vertigo: are you trying to start a flame ear
[2015-12-18 21:42:10] <Metaphysician> My grandparents didn't know better - they were lied to, there was propaganda.
[2015-12-18 21:42:21] <GreenWolf> because that is a question which is entirely bait
[2015-12-18 21:42:22] <Metaphysician> So really, no excuse at this point.
[2015-12-18 21:42:23] <Some_Potato> GreenWolf, SEE?
[2015-12-18 21:42:25] <thedeadlymoose> GreenWolf: What?

[2015-12-18 21:42:25] <Vertigo> GreenWolf, I'm trying to start a civil discourse.

[2015-12-18 21:42:25] <DolphinSlugchugger> like, I despise smoking, yes, but it's someone's right to do it
[2015-12-18 21:42:36] <Soulless> thedeadlymoose: Fanfic where, in the future of 2015, Shanghai is taken or something, and Merry Gentleman literally has a vine and all he uploads are mad people and torches
[2015-12-18 21:42:37] <GreenWolf> Vertigo: no, you're being a troll
[2015-12-18 21:42:39] <Vertigo> Mind you I've stated no position at all, and have no intention of doing so.
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[2015-12-18 21:42:44] * Channel mode set to +m by thedeadlymoose
[2015-12-18 21:42:54] <Famine_> i like waffles.
[2015-12-18 21:43:10] <thedeadlymoose> Conversation is over. GreenWolf, Vertigo was being no more incendiary than you. Let's not have troll accusations in the future.
[2015-12-18 21:43:14] * Channel mode set to -m by thedeadlymoose
[2015-12-18 21:43:16] <thedeadlymoose> Carry on.

Moose officially warned, don't know if it was for both of them or just GreenWolf.

Last edited on 18 Jan 2016 04:56 by Decibelles Show more

Re: GreenWolf

thedeadlymoose 18 Jan 2016 06:22

Moose officially warned, don't know if it was for both of them or just GreenWolf.

The warning was intended to be towards GreenWolf. Both of them were being incendiary, but I thought they were both on the right side of the line until the troll accusation came up.

I considered this minor (not a final warning), which is why I think I forgot to log it. Mea culpa.

That said, both these users have trouble with being too incendiary, so they should cool it down regardless. It's possible I ought to have shut down the conversation faster given that context.

Re: GreenWolf

djkaktus 28 Jan 2016 20:18

Posting logs for salvagebar, who in turn is posting an incident where Metaphysician made a complaint to an operator about Greenwolf. Relevant logs below, bolded for your pleasure.

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[13:01] <Takov> http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=4345 The guy's been at this for a decade now
[13:01] <Takov> and he's still going
[13:01] <Metaphysician> Thinking about the incomplete fossil records, how little we know, and how much of an assumption it technically is that we alone achieved human-level intelligence. Still unlikely, simply because of how rare that level of intellect is but, were we to discover an extinct dinosaur civilization one day, I wouldn't be *too* surprised…
[13:01] <Metaphysician> Considering the millions and millions of years.
[13:01] <Takov> Oh huh, his blog style changed again
[13:01] <EmberTech> takov this is some time cube-level shit here
[13:02] <%Athenodora> oi Metaphysician
[13:02] <Metaphysician> Heya;p
[13:02] <%Athenodora> mind if I draft you in as consultant for my MTF contest team?
[13:02] <%Athenodora> we're doing a CotBG-related thing
[13:02] <Metaphysician> Was thinking of a possible SCP, and realizing it would just be unexpected but possible, rather than anomalous ;x
[13:02] <Metaphysician> Sure thing.
[13:03] <GreenWolf> meta
[13:03] <GreenWolf> there is no possibility that there was ever a dinosaur civilization
[13:03] <Metaphysician> I'm primarily thinking about bird behavior - especially among corvids.
[13:03] <Metaphysician> You are baiting me, aren't you?;p
[13:03] <GreenWolf> civilizations leave more things than just fossils
[13:04] <GreenWolf> for example, giant stone pyramids in the middle of the desert
[13:04] <Metaphysician> Actually, those would be gone.
[13:04] <Metaphysician> They wouldn't last.
[13:04] <GreenWolf> Actually, they would
[13:04] <GreenWolf> they'd probs be buried
[13:04] <%Athenodora> .s physicist
[13:04] <%Alexandra> Athenodora: Cretaceous Physicist(SCP-317, Rating:102), The Parsimonious Physicist(SCP-1714, Rating:94)
[13:04] <%Athenodora> SCP-317
[13:04] <%Alexandra> Athenodora: SCP-317 (Cretaceous Physicist, Written by Voct, Rating:+102) - http://scp-wiki.net/scp-317
[13:05] <GreenWolf> but pyramids are quite hard to destroy
[13:05] <AJMansfield> who is destroying pyramids?
[13:05] <GreenWolf> no one
[13:05] <Metaphysician> Archaeology is a special interest of mine; in most cases, it wouldn't last unless there was an event capable of preserving it well. Nature is quite capable of erasing these things. Remember, we are talking millions of years, not 10,000 years.
[13:06] <AJMansfield> who is /trying/ to destroy pyramids?
[13:06] <Metaphysician> Nautre.
[13:06] <EmberTech> I guess it would depend on the type of sand
[13:06] <Metaphysician> Nature*
[13:06] <GreenWolf> The fact that you have an interest in archeology and still think a dinosaur civilization was even within the realm of probability
[13:06] <EmberTech> If the sand was really fine, it could cover them up before they got a chance to erode
[13:06] <GreenWolf> is boggling
[13:07] <GreenWolf> legitimately boggling
[13:07] <GreenWolf> It's like talking to a space nerd who believes in aether theory
[13:07] <AJMansfield> dont you know about the dinosaur civilization they found in that place I forget where
[13:07] <Metaphysician> It's funny how smart you think you are.
[13:08] <AJMansfield> cuz they didn't
[13:08] <Metaphysician> But seriously, can you just go fuck yourself? The point being that millions of years can be an effective way to erase traces of civilization were it to hypothetically exist.
[13:08] <GreenWolf> Oh, are we doing this now? Where we call each other out for being arrogant pretentious assholes?
[13:08] <Davsto> ops >.>
[13:08] <PossessedInkieShark> wut
[13:08] <Metaphysician> You started this.
[13:08] <PossessedInkieShark> worst time to come in
[13:08] <GreenWolf> Because I will not participate
[13:08] <Metaphysician> I don't want it.
[13:09] <Metaphysician> <GreenWolf>: The fact that you have an interest in archeology and still think a dinosaur civilization was even within the realm of probability <EmberTech>: If the sand was really fine, it could cover them up before they got a chance to erode <GreenWolf>: is boggling <GreenWolf>: legitimately boggling <GreenWolf>: It's like talking to a space nerd who believes
[13:09] <AJMansfield> the main evidence that would have likely survived if a dinosaur civilization existed is the mountain passes they would have cut
[13:09] <nulljellyfish> Double standards are bad
[13:09] <%Athenodora> ok, op hat
[13:10] <%Athenodora> can we all keep this conversation civil
[13:10] <%salvagebar> OK not sure if you guys are serious arguing about Dinosaur-Land or just this is a deep troll
[13:10] <Metaphysician> He does this constantly. He's gone now.
[13:10] <%salvagebar> but chill
[13:10] <Metaphysician> It was a fun hypothetical and he just had to condescend again.
[13:10] <%salvagebar> GreenWolf leaves when he gets upset - this is not a bad strategy
[13:10] <Metaphysician> After insulting me and getting called out on it.

And then in PMs:

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[13:13:31] <Metaphysician> I want no part in this hate crush of his. I even asked if he was baiting me again and lo and behold, he was. I'm getting tired of it. I've tried to put it aside every time too, because I'm quick to forgive but… jesus fuck. It is every time, then he pretends I'm seeking an argument after he insults me (or anyone) and strokes his ego.
[13:14:03] <salvagebar> Troy and I are talking about it
[13:14:07] <salvagebar> We will say something to him
[13:16:32] <Metaphysician> He constantly insults the intelligence of others, even when it is just a fun hypothetical conversation. And then projects onto others as soon as he is called out for it. I don't record every time he does it because I thought he'd eventually stop again, but he's just been horrible this month. I just hope ops have noticed so it isn't just my word.
[13:17:17] <salvagebar> I have noticed he gets easily frustrated, and then sometimes lashes out before quitting
[13:17:21] <salvagebar> not always, but often
[13:17:25] <salvagebar> Troy also
[13:17:34] <salvagebar> so it isn't just you
[13:18:11] <salvagebar> If you have any examples, send them to me
[13:18:53] <Metaphysician> But not just frustration. He insults people, who differ for him slightly. He talks only in absolutes and god forbid someone suggest the possibility of something, he puts others down. Arrogant, condescending, which for me - is just the worst.
[13:19:05] <Metaphysician> He flees as soon as people defend themselves.
[13:19:19] <Metaphysician> And pretends it is *they* who are starting the argument.
[13:19:48] <salvagebar> Like I said - if you have any examples, send them to me - we will talk to him, and start logging exchanges
[13:20:30] <Metaphysician> Understood. None to show now save for what he did and what I copied/pasted
[13:20:34] <Metaphysician> <GreenWolf>: The fact that you have an interest in archeology and still think a dinosaur civilization was even within the realm of probability <EmberTech>: If the sand was really fine, it could cover them up before they got a chance to erode <GreenWolf>: is boggling <GreenWolf>: legitimately boggling <GreenWolf>: It's like talking to a space nerd who believes
[13:20:45] <Metaphysician> in aether or something along those lines. Forget the last part.
[13:20:50] <salvagebar> I saw
[13:20:54] <Metaphysician> Okay
[13:20:55] <Metaphysician> Making sure.

Noting for the record that GreenWolf has already had an official warning.

My opinion: Metaphysician was being ridiculous (whether intentionally or not is irrelevant), but that does not warrant that kind of reaction. In accordance with the new ban policy, I think a short ban is warranted in this case.

Re: GreenWolf

Decibelles 28 Jan 2016 20:58

I support a short ban, though given that he got banned for arguing about FFVII earlier last year (see here) for 24 hours, I'm gonna say more than a day.

Re: GreenWolf

(account deleted) 29 Jan 2016 16:22

I agree with Deci

Re: GreenWolf

thedeadlymoose 01 Feb 2016 10:38

Any action is currently in abeyance pending further discussion.

Re: GreenWolf

thedeadlymoose 04 Feb 2016 03:24

Update: This has been commuted to a final warning due to 'lack of speedy trial'.

Further incidents will result in a minimum of a short (week-long) ban.

Re: GreenWolf

thedeadlymoose 03 Mar 2016 21:54

Update regarding this thread.

I discussed GreenWolf's behavior with him. See logs.

Display Logs

Logs edited for privacy and brevity.

[copied section of O5 post]

[13:30]	thedeadlymoose	basically, both of you being needlessly aggressive
[13:30]	GreenWolf	I wasn't though?
[13:30]	GreenWolf	like, I was intentionally trying to not be aggressive
[13:30]	thedeadlymoose	I'm telling you that you were, and I'm also happy to tell you that multiple ops had the same complaint about you
[13:30]	thedeadlymoose	I believe you, yeah
[13:30]	thedeadlymoose	But you need to adjust further.
[13:31]	GreenWolf	Like, Takov has a history of doing exactly what I described, so i assumed he was doing it again
[13:31]	thedeadlymoose	I also definitely get that it sucks thinking you're in the right and it turns out you're upsetting people anyway — I mean, I'm the admin who got written up for being too mean to people after that wasn't the popular thing to do anymore, lol.
[13:32]	thedeadlymoose	All I can say is, you gotta tweak things further.
[13:32]	GreenWolf	I'm trying. But it's impossible to due that if no one tells me I'm doing something
[13:33]	GreenWolf	and the first thing I hear about it is an official warning
[13:33]	thedeadlymoose	I feel like the consensus immediately became 'no one did anything wrong' because they didn't want to encourage your complaint and didn't want to give you an Official Warning, Because Then You Have To Be Banned Next Time
[13:33]	Decibelle	ive told you about this kind of behavior prior to a warning
[13:34]	GreenWolf	Decibelle: yes, you have
[13:34]	GreenWolf	and it helps a ton
[13:34]	thedeadlymoose	that counts as a warning
[13:34]	thedeadlymoose	a user /can/ have multiple, friendly warnings
[13:35]	thedeadlymoose	the issue isn't that we warn people too many times who merit the warning, the issue is that we let people off with a warning when they should clearly be banned but we don't wanna deal with it at the time so we don't
[13:37]	GreenWolf	Idk, I'm trying my best, I even removed myself from 19 for a month to cool off, but it is very hard to do improve if the only feedback on my behavior happens after things have gone too far
[13:37]	GreenWolf	Like, I fully and freely admit that I have issues with impulse control (especially in real time communications) and overreact to things
[13:37]	GreenWolf	but, blah
[13:38]	thedeadlymoose	I agree that's completely unfair

I'm counting this as another warning. I'm not counting this as a Final Warning. We can ban, or not ban, based on our opinion of a future incident possibly meriting it.

I don't feel this was serious enough to escalate over, and I think it was a mistake on my part to guarantee a future ban on any future incident. I strongly suspect that this led to people not saying anything whatsoever to GreenWolf when he fucked up in ways too minor to ban over. Which included the incident with Takov — everyone agreed it was problematic behavior from GreenWolf but that never appeared in the Takov O5 thread and as far as I know, no one was going to say anything to GreenWolf.

Yeah. My fault, here.

We need to get our shit together with "Official Warnings". I'll post another thread regarding this.

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Re: GreenWolf

MrAnakinSpecter 11 Sep 2016 23:22

A user came into 17 looking for help registering their nickname. Tuomey directed them to the IRC help channel. GreenWolf then comes into 17 and the following takes place:

+ show block

GreenWolf: Please stop sending him to #help
he's being an asshole
%MrAnakinSpecter: ???????
Is this user harassing you, GreenWolf?
ghostpage: AidenEldritch, it's more a alegebra pun but i made it in calc so meh
AidenEldritch: still on point
GreenWolf: MrAnakinSpecter: I'm saying please stop forwarding your idiots to help so they can cause problems there
%MrAnakinSpecter: Out of line.
%Tuomey: GreenWolf: Someone being impatient isn't the worst problem in the world
%MrAnakinSpecter: GreenWolf, this channel exists to help users with their questions, however trivial they may seem.
GreenWolf: MrAnakinSpecter: I'm talking about #help
the network help caht
*chat
that you directed him too
%MrAnakinSpecter: No shit.
I'm talking about your behavior.
GreenWolf: where he then went and pinged everyone three times in rapid succesion
%Tuomey: Actually that was me, and I'm in #help
GreenWolf: and acted like a complete jackass
Tuomey: this is the same issue that #spp-wifi has
→ crystalline_anomaly has joined
%MrAnakinSpecter: Welcome back.
Did it work?
crystalline_anomaly: I haven't tried yet.
%Tuomey: crystalline_anomaly: People started trying to help you in #help just as you left. Try having a little more patience.
crystalline_anomaly: oh.
sorry.
%Tuomey: It reflects poorly on our channel if we send people there, and they ping all the helpers with the !help command before disconnecting very quickly.
I realise problems with nick registration can be frustrating, but bear in mind that there are people on the other side of this as well.

OPChat could not agree what the appropriate action against GreenWolf should be, if any. It is my personal opinion that GreenWolf has been needlessly belligerent and abrasive for a while now and that his behavior is extremely inappropriate.

EDIT: Made logs prettier. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, TUOMEY?!

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Re: GreenWolf

GreenWolf 12 Sep 2016 02:57

Usually I avoid posting in my chat thread, for various moral/ethical reasons, but I thought that this time I needed to say something in my defense.

The user in question has consistently and repeatedly been an asshole to people trying to offer them assistance. This is not the first time they were directed to #help by someone in #site17, and the last time the person who was doing the redirecting even said in a sidechat "no one in 17 should have to deal with this asshole". When they were once again forwarded to #help today, they came in and pinged all the ircops and helpers repeatedly, then immediately left without waiting for an answer.

Now, some background here. I am a regular helper in #help. Most of what we get there is clueless idiots from #spp-wifi asking why they were banned. Occasionally, we get an absolute total asshole, who ends up getting klined because they mouthed off to an ircop. For the most part, we don't have to deal with issues caused by #site19 and its sub-channels, because you guys have your own help channel. But only addressing the problems of people who are nice and forwarding the assholes to us is kind of a dickish thing to do. Hence my reaction. I apologize if this came off as me saying "don't help people", or if it seemed like I was calling your competence into question (as someone later pointed out it could be viewed as), because that wasn't my intent.

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Re: GreenWolf

(account deleted) 12 Sep 2016 12:02

I didn't forward him because he was an asshole, or anything of the sort.

I forwarded him because he was having trouble registering his name, and according to him the problem was the server not sending his email after he had entered everything correctly.

That is a problem with which people in 17 can't help, and people in #help can. He wasn't redirected because we didn't want to deal with him. He was redirected because that was a problem with which it is literally impossible for us to help.

Also, we don't stop helping people because they're confused and frustrutated. For any operator reading this, if we someone is crossing the asshole line to such an extent that helping them is pointless, the proper thing to do would be to simply stop helping them, not redirect them to somewhere else.

Re: GreenWolf

TroyL 14 Sep 2016 01:55

But only addressing the problems of people who are nice and forwarding the assholes to us is kind of a dickish thing to do. Hence my reaction.

By your phrasing, it seems that you feel this is something which has happened before. Can you please produce logs that we can cross reference to see who the offending parties are that are forwarding the people? Chat admin are taking your complaint seriously, and we would like you to be as comprehensive as you can be in your reporting.

Thanks.

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"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato

Re: GreenWolf

TroyL 14 Sep 2016 09:50

Actually, because of the seriousness of this situation, I have spent the day conducting research to determine the validity and veracity of these complaints. The following users, over the past year, have been referred by the following people on the following dates to seek aid from the #help channel:

Date	Referring User	User Doing Reference
07/20/2015	Hayden	Tuomey
07/23/2015	BrandonBriggs	Greenwolf and Tuomey
03/17/2016	IntelligentLizzy	TheDeadlyMoose
07/05/2016	the_xenomorph666	Lily
07/07/2016	Lux	Tuomey and ProcyonLotor
08/26/2016	Agent_Rob	Greenwolf
09/06/2016	crystalline_anomaly	Decibelle and Jekeled
09/06/2016	DestinyIntwined	AidenEldritch
09/11/2016	crystalline_anomaly	Tuomey

With the help of Tuomey and ProcyonLotor (my own computer being down), I've collected all the different instances of people being referred to the help channel over the past year. In addition to that, I've collected all the logs concerning these users in #help when I could.

Hayden Logs

Some_Potato wa s not referred by us as far as I know; Hayden was; Fiesta, the raccoon, and I all lurk
17:45:41: <Hayden> Hey guys ive waited 9 hours for my reg code through the email, still nothing. Any suggestions?
17:47:56: <DoubleFried> looked in your spam?
17:48:08: <Hayden> Yup.
17:48:22: <Hayden> Im using gmail, if that helps.
17:49:20: <Hayden> Yikes, be right back.
17:51:52: <jet> try re requesting it
17:52:42: <jet> if it takes longer than 15 min try again
17:54:02: <Hayden> back, and how?
17:55:15: <Somepotato> Is it possible for multiple people to have founder privileges in a channel on synirc?
17:55:37: <Somepotato> since levels/access are disallowed
17:56:53: <DoubleFried> multipe people can be owner, but iirc founder is restricted to one person
17:57:03: <Somepotato> i know multiple people can have +q
17:57:16: <Somepotato> but is there a way for them to be automatically given it on login
17:57:20: <Somepotato> via chanserv
18:00:48: <jet> /nickserv resendcode
18:01:03: <jet> oh then ur name
18:01:03: <Hayden> Thanks
18:12:13: <Somepotato> figured it out, cannot do it w/ xop
18:18:31: <Somepotato> i lied, still doesn't work
23:46:41: <event_hoopa> hi
23:47:25: <event_hoopa> hi
23:47:25: <event_hoopa> \hi
23:47:38: <SATS> hi
23:47:40: <fiesta> Eh, hello.
23:47:56: <event_hoopa> hi im nappa and this is vegeta
23:48:13: <event_hoopa> he was a prison bitch
23:49:09: <ProcyonLotor> well that's a shame
23:49:17: <ProcyonLotor> I'd been hoping that story would have a happy ending
23:49:24: <fiesta> We'll never know now.
23:50:27: <Tombstone> well
23:50:37: <Tombstone> dude did say he /was/ a prison bitch
23:50:41: <Tombstone> means he's not anymore
23:50:51: <ProcyonLotor> true, true
23:50:56: <ProcyonLotor> A modern day cindarella story
23:51:00: <fiesta> But what if something /terrible/ happened?

BrandonBriggs Logs

02:43:38: <BrandonBriggs> Hello?

the_xenomorph666 Logs

23:28:12: <the_xenomorph666> hey, how do I change my password?
23:28:34: <SATS> hi
23:28:53: <the_xenomorph666> hey sats
23:29:15: <SATS> use /msg nickserv set password YOURNEWPASSWORD
23:29:47: <the_xenomorph666> thanks
23:30:03: <SATS> u bet

Lux Logs

04:19:40: <LuX> !help When I tried logging on here using KiwiIrc i got this message "Erroneous Nickname: This nick is used by spambots, please use another." But my nick is registered? I'm mildly confused. I mean I was able to use it after I joined with another and then switched to this one but it's rather odd.
04:23:02: <LuX> Also I'd like to know if it's okay if I continue using this nick I guess because I'm kind of attached to it.
04:24:00: <SPPVGC> I don't see any problem with using that nick as long as it's not someone else but thats just my input on it
04:25:18: <LuX> Hmm… alright. I guess if chat thought I was a spambot I'd either be kicked or autobanned or something right now…
04:26:57: <SnowPhoenix> Just curious, while we wait for actual staff to respond: Was your ident different at the time? I can't remember whether that error extends to idents, but it is rather odd that it would let you change to a blocked nick after connecting.
04:27:49: <SnowPhoenix> (I see you have Guest71125 for your ident now.)
04:27:52: <LuX> It didn't let me be "Lux" so I entered as "LuxIsConfused" for the help subchat of my chat and then tried changing it to "Lux" again and that worked.
04:28:51: <LuX> And my ident was the same I think as long as it's connected to your internet? Like I'm using a different network than usual but I
04:29:01: <LuX> *I've been on this one for a couple days now.
04:29:57: <SnowPhoenix> Ident refers to the "Guest71125" part in Lux!ten.dshqrabme.ats.634B3191-CRInys|52117tseuG#ten.dshqrabme.ats.634B3191-CRInys|52117tseuG
04:30:27: <SnowPhoenix> The part after the @ is what depends on your Internet connection. The ident is determined by your chat client (most non-webclients let you set it).
04:31:01: <SnowPhoenix> But either way, you entered LuxIsConfused after it refused to let you connect, right? So it was a separate connection attempt?
04:31:20: <SnowPhoenix> It might be that the nick is blocked on one or more servers, but not all of them.
04:31:21: <LuX> Yeah.
04:31:44: <SnowPhoenix> And /if/ that's the case, then you probably managed to hit one where it wasn't blocked after hitting one where it was.
04:32:29: <SnowPhoenix> Either way, I think you're fine, but I'd recommend sticking around for a staff response to be sure and maybe get some insight into the problem.
04:32:42: <LuX> Hmm. So maybe another Lux was doing dubious things on another server and it tipped off Kiwiirc or something?
04:34:08: <SnowPhoenix> Well, the error message would be something generated on a SynIRC server. I think it's probably just a nick used frequently by random bots based on the message itself.
04:35:24: <SnowPhoenix> For what it's worth, you're currently on avarice.wa.us.synirc.net, so if you get disconnected, maybe try reconnecting to that one specifically if you end up with the error again.
04:36:53: <SnowPhoenix> (I'm assuming you're connecting to irc.synirc.net, which is a good practice in general, but avarice has been around for a while, and you can always reconnect to a different one if you find one day that you can no longer connect to that one.)
04:41:14: <LuX> Bleh my wifi is kind of spotty. But I didn't get the error when I tried going in again this time so I'm guessing that was a one time thing? I suppose I'll pop up in here again though if it keeps happening.
04:42:39: <SnowPhoenix> Sounds like a plan. Are you connecting directly from the KiwiIRC site or an embed, though? Would be interested to see if it always connects to the same server or not.
04:43:21: <LuX> An embed. I think it always does do the same server though. "avarice.wa.us.synirc.net"
04:44:17: <SnowPhoenix> Ah, okay. Guess that means my hypothesis was wrong then. Ah well, hopefully it won't happen again, but you can always come back if it does.
04:44:19: <Tuomey> it appears to be set up to go to avarice by default
04:44:31: Tuomey from the same website/channel
04:44:45: <SnowPhoenix> Ah.

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IntelligentLizzy was referred, but didn't join. We have no record of Agent_Rob or DestinyIntwined joining either, so if they caused a problem, please refer those to us now so that it can be addressed.

To be honest, the situation with crystalline_anomaly seems to be the only one I currently have access to in which it seems that the user was anything other than respectful. To give the relevant "This person is an asshole" section, since that's what was related:

23:16:14: <crystalline_anomaly> I'm having trouble with the nick registering on scp-wiki.net .
23:16:32: <crystalline_anomaly> Can anyone help me?
23:17:06: <Lily> It's your chat nick, it's not an scp thing :p
23:17:24: <crystalline_anomaly> No.
23:17:48: <crystalline_anomaly> I need to have a nickname registered in order to join the "general chat" IRC on the website.
23:18:05: <crystalline_anomaly> And i can't get the conformation email to input the passcode.
23:18:24: <crystalline_anomaly> So i can get my nickname registered.*
23:18:48: <crystalline_anomaly> And i can't get the confirmation email to input the passcode.
23:19:16: <Lily> It's still a chat nick yu're having trouble with, the scp chat is just one chat room on synirc
23:19:41: <Lily> It's nothing to do with the scp site
23:20:03: <crystalline_anomaly> …I never said it had anything to do with the site.
23:20:36: <Lily> 11:01:44 p.m. <crystalline_anomaly> I'm having trouble with the nick registering on scp-wiki.net .
23:20:36: <crystalline_anomaly> I can't get the confirmation email from the synirc chat.
23:20:47: <crystalline_anomaly> ON scp-wiki.net .
23:20:51: <crystalline_anomaly> not WITH
23:20:53: <crystalline_anomaly> ON
23:21:05: <Lily> It's still just synirc, the client is just a client
23:21:10: <Lily> No need to be snappy :p
23:21:47: <crystalline_anomaly> i ' m h a v i n g a p r o b l e m w i t h i t .
23:21:56: <crystalline_anomaly> and i would like to fix it, please.

After this, in the logs I've collected, they were perfectly polite. Now, to be honest, given that they've been trying to explain something that they didn't fully understand, I can understand the user's frustration. That doesn't excuse them, but I can understand it. This is from their first visit to #help.

This is the entire log of their second visit to #help:

00:14:50: <crystalline_anomaly> Hello.
00:15:05: <SPPVGC> hi
00:16:49: <crystalline_anomaly> I can't get a confirmation code email (i'm using Kiwi IRC) to register my nickname on a website even though i inputted the directions required to do so exactly. It's not in my spam or junk folders. /nickserv resend doesn't work.
00:18:08: <SPPVGC> do !help issue or question you may have so it can alert em' ^
00:18:40: <crystalline_anomaly> !help issue I can't get a confirmation code email (i'm using Kiwi IRC) to register my nickname on a website even though i inputted the directions required to do so exactly. It's not in my spam or junk folders. /nickserv resend doesn't work.
00:18:49: <crystalline_anomaly> !help issue
00:19:20: <crystalline_anomaly> no help available.
00:19:30: <greenwolf> Maybe wait a bit
00:19:39: <greenwolf> people have lives you know
[he quits here but my client doesn't store that]
00:20:21: <CollectorTogami> Are you on-
00:20:22: <CollectorTogami> oh
00:20:26: <SPPVGC> whelp
[he rejoins]
00:24:31: <crystalline_anomaly> sorry I left so soon.
00:24:40: <darkex> 09:09:44 — | NickServ (ten.crinys.secivres|secivres#ten.crinys.secivres|secivres): Nick crystalline_anomaly isn't registered.
00:24:56: <darkex> are you sure it's for this network?
00:25:21: <crystalline_anomaly> I just changed IRC clients. I'm on MIBBIT now.
00:25:52: <crystalline_anomaly> I was going to test if it would give me the email to confirm my nick on this client.
00:25:56: <CollectorTogami> Is the email you're using a Gmail account?
00:26:11: <crystalline_anomaly> No, it's an ATT.net accout.
00:26:14: <crystalline_anomaly> account*
00:26:22: <CollectorTogami> I see
00:26:30: <CollectorTogami> I was going to say to check the Social tab of Gmail
00:28:20: <crystalline_anomaly> How long does it generally take to get a nick verification code email?
00:28:42: <darkex> usually within a few mins
00:29:23: <crystalline_anomaly> Hrm.
00:30:18: <crystalline_anomaly> I just tried registering again.
00:31:25: <darkex> i just force confirmed your account
00:31:29: <darkex> type /ns info crystalline_anomaly all
00:31:32: <darkex> and check if that email is right
00:31:36: <crystalline_anomaly> o.o
00:31:55: <crystalline_anomaly> Wow.
00:32:00: <crystalline_anomaly> Thanks!
00:32:09: <crystalline_anomaly> ..Kinda scary, but thanks!
00:32:12: <darkex> did you misspell it?
00:32:23: <crystalline_anomaly> No, it's right.
00:32:30: <darkex> O_o
00:32:36: <darkex> probably mail being stupid again
00:33:01: <crystalline_anomaly> Thanks for force-registering my nickname, though!
00:34:07: <crystalline_anomaly> Ok, so.. I'll try and join the channel i've been trying to join now.
00:34:32: <crystalline_anomaly> oh
00:34:39: <crystalline_anomaly> it says no such channel
00:35:08: <crystalline_anomaly> I'll keep this tab open and try it in the website the chat box is stationed in
00:35:58: <crystalline_anomaly> Well, fudge.
00:36:11: <crystalline_anomaly> hold on..
00:41:10: <crystalline_anomaly> I can't use the nickname on KiwiIRC.
00:41:33: <crystalline_anomaly> It says "nickname taken"
00:41:46: <Tuomey> that's because you're using it on mibbit
00:41:59: <crystalline_anomaly> OOH okay thank god
00:42:15: <Tuomey> You can't connect with the same nickname multiple times at once
00:42:16: <crystalline_anomaly> I thought it was because i had to use a password to use it
00:42:51: <crystalline_anomaly> Ok, so does that mean i can safely leave this channel without accidentally missing help from anybody?
00:43:53: <Tuomey> I mean, you've got your nick registered,right? If so, problem solved, thank whoever it was that did the thing and do whatever
00:44:24: <crystalline_anomaly> Yeah. Thanks, darkex, for force-registering it for me.
00:44:31: <crystalline_anomaly> I'm a happy clam.
00:44:37: <crystalline_anomaly> Later, guys.

This is their entire communication. They appear to have done !help twice, which I guess could be a bother, but other than that, I see them being very polite. Please, thank you, apologies. They're not even cursing. 'Fudge?' Who the heck says that?

And then comes the Site17 incident. I'm only going to quote the relevant parts, and AnakinSpectre has collected the full logs above:

[18:06:03] <GreenWolf> Please stop sending him to #help
[18:06:05] <GreenWolf> he's being an asshole
[18:06:20] <MrAnakinSpecter> ???????
[18:06:33] <MrAnakinSpecter> Is this user harassing you, GreenWolf?
[18:06:36] <ghostpage> AidenEldritch, it's more a alegebra pun but i made it in calc so meh
[18:06:44] <AidenEldritch> still on point
[18:06:57] <GreenWolf> MrAnakinSpecter: I'm saying please stop forwarding your idiots to help so they can cause problems there

I'm going to take a short moment and point out the time stamps on these conversations, with notes that time zones cause a small difference:

Site17:

[18:06:03] <GreenWolf> Please stop sending him to #help
[18:06:05] <GreenWolf> he's being an asshole

Help:

00:16:49: <crystalline_anomaly> I can't get a confirmation code email (i'm using Kiwi IRC) to register my nickname on a website even though i inputted the directions required to do so exactly. It's not in my spam or junk folders. /nickserv resend doesn't work.
00:18:08: <SPPVGC> do !help issue or question you may have so it can alert em' ^

Your complaint about him seems to come in at the same time that he actually got instructions on how to perform the action that you claim made you make your extremely aggressive complaint in Site17. So the bulk of your defense is basically null and void.

Furthermore, the accusation that Site17 OPs are sending people to #help selectively and…

…only addressing the problems of people who are nice and forwarding the assholes to us…

…is almost entirely baseless. The only reason it's just almost entirely baseless is because of one non-OP, non-staff user's actions. This topic is addressed at the end of this post.

From the past year's information I gathered, everyone we've referred had some problem that the OPs there either didn't know how to help with or didn't have the ability to help with. In fact, this user who upset you was someone we didn't have the ability to help. You understood their problem, because you helped them the first time they joined the channel (and quite capably, I'd estimate, from the logs), and you knew it was something the Site17 OPs couldn't tackle.

I can understand being frustrated, but lashing out at Anakin and Tuomey over that frustration is wholly unacceptable.

Additionally:

I apologize if this came off as me saying "don't help people", or if it seemed like I was calling your competence into question (as someone later pointed out it could be viewed as), because that wasn't my intent.

No. Your intent seems to have been to get rid of a user you were angry with. While I can, again, understand getting upset because someone doesn't seem to get it, this user was congenial, apologetic, and polite during their second visit, and you lashed on Site17 out before they actually made any mistakes. The only mistake they appear to have made, you responded to with:

00:19:30: <greenwolf> Maybe wait a bit
00:19:39: <greenwolf> people have lives you know

Anyway, at this point, I think I've laid out why people are upset and why they're rightfully upset. You are calling the morals, skills, and actions of a very large group of dedicated people into question, and I am going to give you two options:

1. Post a written apology on O5 to the OPs who you lashed out at without need.
2. Be banned from Site17 for this disruption for such a time as chat admin deem fit.

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Important Side Note:

I did discover that a user did, after working with crystalline_anomaly and referring them to #help, proceed to bash and ridicule them in a side chat. This is being dealt with separately, mostly because I find it morally reprehensible.¹

This user isn't staff, on the wiki or on chat, and even if they were, attacking Site17's operators, users, and reputation in this manner is not an acceptable response to their actions.

Footnotes

1. The only reason I'm not dealing with it right now is because I'm waiting to speak to the owner of the site chat where it happened to see if they have issue with me posting logs on the incident.

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"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato

Re: GreenWolf

GreenWolf 14 Sep 2016 19:19

Your logs of their first visit to #help are incomplete.

Full logs from first visit to #help

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[2016-09-06 15:01:44] <crystalline_anomaly> I'm having trouble with the nick registering on scp-wiki.net .
[2016-09-06 15:02:01] <crystalline_anomaly> Can anyone help me?
[2016-09-06 15:02:36] <Lily> It's your chat nick, it's not an scp thing :p
[2016-09-06 15:02:54] <crystalline_anomaly> No.
[2016-09-06 15:03:18] <crystalline_anomaly> I need to have a nickname registered in order to join the "general chat" IRC on the website.
[2016-09-06 15:03:34] <crystalline_anomaly> And i can't get the conformation email to input the passcode.
[2016-09-06 15:03:54] <crystalline_anomaly> So i can get my nickname registered.*
[2016-09-06 15:04:18] <crystalline_anomaly> And i can't get the confirmation email to input the passcode.
[2016-09-06 15:04:46] <Lily> It's still a chat nick yu're having trouble with, the scp chat is just one chat room on synirc
[2016-09-06 15:05:11] <Lily> It's nothing to do with the scp site
[2016-09-06 15:05:33] <crystalline_anomaly> …I never said it had anything to do with the site.
[2016-09-06 15:06:05] <crystalline_anomaly> I can't get the confirmation email from the synirc chat.
[2016-09-06 15:06:06] <Lily> 11:01:44 p.m. <crystalline_anomaly> I'm having trouble with the nick registering on scp-wiki.net .
[2016-09-06 15:06:18] <crystalline_anomaly> ON scp-wiki.net .
[2016-09-06 15:06:21] <crystalline_anomaly> not WITH
[2016-09-06 15:06:23] <crystalline_anomaly> ON
[2016-09-06 15:06:35] <Lily> It's still just synirc, the client is just a client
[2016-09-06 15:06:41] <Lily> No need to be snappy :p
[2016-09-06 15:07:17] <crystalline_anomaly> i ' m h a v i n g a p r o b l e m w i t h i t .
[2016-09-06 15:07:27] <crystalline_anomaly> and i would like to fix it, please.
[2016-09-06 15:07:33] <GreenWolf> crystalline_anomaly: Have you checked your spam folder
[2016-09-06 15:07:46] <crystalline_anomaly> Yes, it's not there.
[2016-09-06 15:07:56] <GreenWolf> and did you make sure you input your email correctly when registering
[2016-09-06 15:08:02] <crystalline_anomaly> Yes.
[2016-09-06 15:08:33] <crystalline_anomaly> I did everything correctly.
[2016-09-06 15:08:37] <crystalline_anomaly> I made sure of it.
[2016-09-06 15:09:05] <crystalline_anomaly> I'll try it again to see if something different happens, if you like.
[2016-09-06 15:09:29] <GreenWolf> How long have you been waiting? It can take the mail server a while to send the email sometimes
[2016-09-06 15:09:49] <crystalline_anomaly> It's been a day since I last tried.
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[2016-09-06 15:11:46] <GreenWolf> try /msg nickserv resend
[2016-09-06 15:11:59] <GreenWolf> and then check your email again
[2016-09-06 15:12:00] <crystalline_anomaly> Okay.
[2016-09-06 15:12:00] * np_complete_fish is now known as incomplete_fish
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[2016-09-06 15:12:33] <crystalline_anomaly> ..Pardon my ignorance, but how do you open a new tab for IRC?
[2016-09-06 15:13:27] <GreenWolf> That depends on your irc client
[2016-09-06 15:13:38] <crystalline_anomaly> I'm using KiwiIRC right now.
[2016-09-06 15:13:49] <crystalline_anomaly> also i figured it out
[2016-09-06 15:13:59] <crystalline_anomaly> it's /join etc. right?
[2016-09-06 15:14:12] <GreenWolf> yes
[2016-09-06 15:14:22] <crystalline_anomaly> Ok, thank you.
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[2016-09-06 15:24:02] <crystalline_anomaly> It didn't work.
[2016-09-06 15:24:14] <crystalline_anomaly> shoot.
[2016-09-06 15:24:28] <GreenWolf> Hmm
[2016-09-06 15:24:44] <GreenWolf> And you're sure you're checking your spam folder?
[2016-09-06 15:24:49] <crystalline_anomaly> Yes.
[2016-09-06 15:24:58] <crystalline_anomaly> I've checked it multiple times.
[2016-09-06 15:25:12] <crystalline_anomaly> It says it's empty.
[2016-09-06 15:26:03] <sats> mail server is working
[2016-09-06 15:26:09] <GreenWolf> Are you actually checking the folder or are you just looking at the number next to it? gmail and other web mail hosts like that often don't indicate when you have new spam
[2016-09-06 15:26:34] <crystalline_anomaly> I'm checking the folder.
[2016-09-06 15:26:37] <sats> google also frequently puts us in spam folders
[2016-09-06 15:27:33] <crystalline_anomaly> lemme check my google + account to see if anything's in there
[2016-09-06 15:28:03] * Lily is now known as LilySlewp
[2016-09-06 15:28:08] * LilySlewp is now known as LilySleep
[2016-09-06 15:28:10] <crystalline_anomaly> Oh, wait, i don't have a gmail.
[2016-09-06 15:28:12] <crystalline_anomaly> :I
[2016-09-06 15:28:39] <crystalline_anomaly> I've got At&t, if you guys want to know what kind of email I have
[2016-09-06 15:28:48] <crystalline_anomaly> And one question:
[2016-09-06 15:28:50] <crystalline_anomaly> Just in case i'm doing something stupid, you input the command /msg nickserv register [password] [email] (with my email and choice of password without brackets) in the "synIRC" tab, right?
[2016-09-06 15:29:17] <GreenWolf> it doesn't matter what channel you do it from
[2016-09-06 15:29:26] <crystalline_anomaly> Ok.
[2016-09-06 15:29:36] <crystalline_anomaly> ..Could it be that the nickname is taken?
[2016-09-06 15:31:30] <crystalline_anomaly> Hello?
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[2016-09-06 15:35:10] <willus> I typed /ns info crystalline_anomaly and it says 8:34 AM NickServ This nick is awaiting an e-mail verification code before completing registration.
[2016-09-06 15:35:41] <willus> so vOv
[2016-09-06 15:35:49] <crystalline_anomaly> Hmm.
[2016-09-06 15:36:00] <willus> maybe it's still waiting for verification from wherever the email went
[2016-09-06 15:36:12] <willus> I'm just a simple boy I couldn't tell you for sure
[2016-09-06 15:37:23] <crystalline_anomaly> I hope I can get this fixed.
[2016-09-06 15:37:38] <crystalline_anomaly> With your guys' help, of course.
[2016-09-06 15:39:19] <crystalline_anomaly> I'm gonna come back later.
[2016-09-06 15:39:22] <crystalline_anomaly> Seeya.
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My impression of them following this was that they were needlessly sarcastic and a bit rude to the people who had been trying to help them. (An impression only further by Jekeled's statements about the user in sidechats.) After going over the logs again, I can see that this initial judgement was probably a bit harsh, but it was this impression I was operating under when they returned a second time.

Your complaint about him seems to come in at the same time that he actually got instructions on how to perform the action that you claim made you make your extremely aggressive complaint in Site17. So the bulk of your defense is basically null and void.

Your logs of their second visit to #help vs their visit to #site17 have incorrect timestamps (possibly because they came from different sources?). I only came into 17 after they left #help.

Second visit to #help

In #help

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[2016-09-11 16:00:13] <crystalline_anomaly> Hello.
[2016-09-11 16:00:27] <SPPVGC> hi
[2016-09-11 16:02:11] <crystalline_anomaly> I can't get a confirmation code email (i'm using Kiwi IRC) to register my nickname on a website even though i inputted the directions required to do so exactly. It's not in my spam or junk folders. /nickserv resend doesn't work.
[2016-09-11 16:03:30] <SPPVGC> do !help issue or question you may have so it can alert em' ^
[2016-09-11 16:04:03] <crystalline_anomaly> !help issue I can't get a confirmation code email (i'm using Kiwi IRC) to register my nickname on a website even though i inputted the directions required to do so exactly. It's not in my spam or junk folders. /nickserv resend doesn't work.
[2016-09-11 16:04:12] <crystalline_anomaly> !help issue
[2016-09-11 16:04:42] <crystalline_anomaly> no help available.
[2016-09-11 16:04:52] <GreenWolf> Maybe wait a bit
[2016-09-11 16:05:00] <GreenWolf> people have lives you know
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Immediately after in #site17

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[2016-09-11 16:05:55] <AidenEldritch> ghostpage: ur calculus banter is on point
[2016-09-11 16:06:02] <GreenWolf> Please stop sending him to #help
[2016-09-11 16:06:05] <GreenWolf> he's being an asshole

Was my reaction excessive? In hindsight, yes definitely. At the time, however, I was tired, sick, and had just been pinged repeatedly by someone who didn't even stick around to wait for an answer, and whom I had already pegged (albeit incorrectly) as a disruptive jerk. However, this doesn't excuse my actions, and an apology is in order.

I apologize to Tuomey and MrAnakinSpecter for my excessively volatile behavior. Neither of you were at fault for any of the issues (real or perceived) involved, and it was wrong of me to lash out at you. It won't happen again.

Re: GreenWolf

TroyL 14 Sep 2016 19:55

Your logs of their first visit to #help are incomplete.

That's correct. I only posted the part where the user was acting in a manner which could be considered rude or discourteous. I was providing the "The user was an asshole" section, as I noted.

Your logs of their second visit to #help vs their visit to #site17 have incorrect timestamps (possibly because they came from different sources?). I only came into 17 after they left #help.

I'll double check that, but yes, the two logs came from two different sources.

At this point, I'll consider this issue closed.

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"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato

Re: GreenWolf

MrAnakinSpecter 14 Sep 2016 20:37

I accept your apology. Just keep in mind that, if this behavior continues, further action will likely be taken.

Re: GreenWolf

ProcyonLotor 17 Oct 2016 02:19

This happened recently, I forgot to log, but in my defense my car's alternator died so I had more pressing concerns.

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[2016-10-12 00:37:29] <DrYucatan> oh, you mean Gojira
[2016-10-12 00:37:30] <DrYucatan> right
[2016-10-12 00:37:35] <DrYucatan> yeah, it was interesting
[2016-10-12 00:37:45] <DrYucatan> the way they portrated his evolution
[2016-10-12 00:37:54] <DrYucatan> i LOVED the bold move of using the tadpole stage
[2016-10-12 00:38:02] * Silberescher is now known as Silber
[2016-10-12 00:38:12] <Smapti> The iguana stage. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that.
[2016-10-12 00:38:13] <Dora> .lc
[2016-10-12 00:38:14] <jarvis> dora: #SCP TV Pilot: Into the Deep End# (written 2 hours ago by trb456) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-tv-pilot-into-the-deep-end
[2016-10-12 00:38:14] <jarvis> dora: #SCP-2436# (written 6 hours ago by Douglas Gorde) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2436
[2016-10-12 00:38:14] <jarvis> dora: #SCP-2543# (written 8 hours ago by Malik Coleman) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2543
[2016-10-12 00:38:34] <DrYucatan> i loved it though
[2016-10-12 00:38:46] <Smapti> The eyes were kind of goofy, though.
[2016-10-12 00:38:59] <DrYucatan> i liked it
[2016-10-12 00:39:08] * Kens_Kong is now known as Dr_Kens
[2016-10-12 00:39:15] <DrYucatan> i think….it really portrayed the alienness of Gojira
[2016-10-12 00:39:34] <DrYucatan> i thought it was bold
[2016-10-12 00:39:42] <GreenWolf> we… are talking about the giant monster movie, right
[2016-10-12 00:39:48] <GreenWolf> the one with cheesy special effects
[2016-10-12 00:39:56] <GreenWolf> and terrible plot
[2016-10-12 00:40:03] <Smapti> This one had a CGI Godzilla. It's not a man in a costume anymore.
[2016-10-12 00:40:31] <Swaghetti> heresy
[2016-10-12 00:40:56] <Smapti> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/p9-schilling-shingodzilla-a-20160804.jpg
[2016-10-12 00:41:23] <DrYucatan> apparently people hate the tail laser/back lasers
[2016-10-12 00:41:27] <DrYucatan> i thought they were great
[2016-10-12 00:41:32] <Smapti> I loved it.
[2016-10-12 00:41:42] <DrYucatan> Smapti rate X/10
[2016-10-12 00:42:03] <Smapti> 8?
[2016-10-12 00:42:11] <DrYucatan> i think 8/8.5 for me too
[2016-10-12 00:42:17] <DrYucatan> it wasn't perfect, but it was great
[2016-10-12 00:42:50] <GreenWolf> numerical ratings are a sham
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[2016-10-12 00:43:09] <GreenWolf> you can't assign a number to a complex, highly subjective opnion
[2016-10-12 00:43:12] <GreenWolf> *opinion
[2016-10-12 00:43:13] <Smapti> Godzilla size chart: http://www.scified.com/media/godzilla-size-chart-with-shin-gojira-5.jpg
[2016-10-12 00:43:31] <DrYucatan> GreenWolf I can
[2016-10-12 00:43:33] <DrYucatan> and i did
[2016-10-12 00:43:45] <DrYucatan> because it's how *I* personally find it helpful to give my subjective rating of content ;)
[2016-10-12 00:43:54] <GreenWolf> then your opinions must be very simple indeed
[2016-10-12 00:43:56] <ProcyonGhostor> Apparently you can
[2016-10-12 00:44:29] <ProcyonGhostor> and greenwolf, no one is arguing that a numerical rating encapsulates the entirety of an opinion and it is a bit dickish to pretend that is what they're saying
[2016-10-12 00:44:30] <DrYucatan> uhh
[2016-10-12 00:44:45] <DrYucatan> don't call my opinions simple kthx
[2016-10-12 00:44:48] <Smapti> "Surely you can't put a price tag on your family's safety!" "Well, I wouldn't have thought so either, but here we are."
[2016-10-12 00:44:48] <ProcyonGhostor> it is, however, a useful shorthand and bitching about it serves no purpose except being needlessly contrarian
[2016-10-12 00:45:41] <Smapti> It's at 78% on RT, for what it's worth.
[2016-10-12 00:45:44] <GreenWolf> it's an incredibly harmful practice that has /literally/ cost companies millions of dollars
[2016-10-12 00:46:18] <ProcyonGhostor> Alright, so the fuck what?
[2016-10-12 00:46:40] <ProcyonGhostor> For the record, this is me as an operator calling you out for being pointlessly agressive about this sort of thing, before we go any further
[2016-10-12 00:46:41] <DrYucatan> i mean
[2016-10-12 00:46:48] <Smapti> Well… that escalated quickly.
[2016-10-12 00:47:01] <DrYucatan> who cares about how much money it cost anyone? it's just my personal opinion as to how it felt for me
[2016-10-12 00:48:23] <Silber> GreenWolf if you lose any money because we summarize our opinions too concisely please let an op know
[2016-10-12 00:48:29] <DrYucatan> heh
[2016-10-12 00:48:39] <Swaghetti> I always thought ratings were like a summary
[2016-10-12 00:48:42] <Swaghetti> like a tldr
[2016-10-12 00:48:49] <DrYucatan> yep exactly
[2016-10-12 00:48:53] <Silber> Pretty much.
[2016-10-12 00:48:55] <Smapti> TLDR: Eees good movie, you should watch
[2016-10-12 00:48:58] <DrYucatan> I ain't got time right now to write up a huge review
[2016-10-12 00:49:03] <Swaghetti> that's why the article of a rating is there. read that and you shall see all the details
[2016-10-12 00:49:13] <DrYucatan> oh yeah it's a great film
[2016-10-12 00:49:24] <Silber> And Metacritic is probably not taking random IRC conversations into account when aggregating its score
[2016-10-12 00:49:39] <Smapti> Or do they, Silber?
[2016-10-12 00:49:43] <Swaghetti> shit imagine that chaos
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[2016-10-12 00:49:45] <Smapti> Are you wearing a wire?
[2016-10-12 00:50:13] <Silber> Smapti: Haha, don't be silly, no shills for Big Critique here.

Discussion is ongoing, so no further commentary now.

Re: GreenWolf

thedeadlymoose 17 Oct 2016 04:36

Basically double-posting here for ease of reading in the future. TL;DR Greenwolf is barred from arguments in #site19. In-depth explanation under the collapsible below.

See context in Roxie's chat disciplinary thread.

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Display Text

Both Roxie and GreenWolf are barred from arguments in #site19.

We realize that has inherent ambiguity, but these two users have gone above and beyond in disrupting 19 with arguments, so it is their job to stay on the right side of the line. We also don't think ultimatums to these users will work (because we don't want to outright ban them for something trivial, which is the only way this road ends).

If someone says something they find extremely personally upsetting (for reasons of being marginalized, or significant life experience, not aesthetic opinions etc), then they can still call it out (even though that's an argument). They must also summon chat ops to address the situation. They should not accelerate the argument by participating in it further.

They can discuss their personal opinions and experiences, same as before. However, if someone wants to argue with them about it, they should respond by ending the argument with non-personal language such as "Let's not discuss this." or "I don't want to talk about this."

They can also (politely) request people to debate with them in side chats or PMs.

Personal attacks are completely verboten.

In no way does this apply to complaints about chat operators, or anything regarding how the chat or site is run. However, these complaints, as always, should typically be in #site17 (though they can begin in #site19).

We will re-evaluate this after a period of six months.

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While this was being deliberated, after the above logs were posted, GreenWolf requested (and was granted) an indefinite non-disciplinary ban from #site19. The above all still applies if he chooses to rejoin.

If there are any questions about this, ask and operators will clarify.

Re: GreenWolf

Doctor Cimmerian 21 Jun 2017 23:21

Repeatedly refused/argued with ops asking for him to move this conversation out of 17. Greenwolf's bold, op asks are italic:

[16:50] Greenwolf EldritchCadence: I mean, sort of playing devil's advocate here, but they /do/ have statutory capital punishment for gay men in saudi arabia, which is under sharia law. But it's not so much a "this is a muslim thing" as it is just "this is what fundamentalists of any religion do, because organized religion is fucked"
[16:52] ARD Greenwolf: the middle east's treatment of homosexuality is deplorable but I don't think it's fair to equate all Muslims with those backwards religious nuts
[16:52] Greenwolf of course not
[16:53] =-= CommutingEldritch is now known as AidenEldritch
[16:53] ARD Anyways, if we're gonna continue this convo then we'll have to do so in 19
[16:53] Decibelle islam is no more hateful towards lgbt people than christianity or judaism or buddhism or
[16:53] Decibelle any other religion
[16:53] Greenwolf Decibelle: exactly
[16:53] Decibelle or, for that matter
[16:53] Decibelle any 0x1dlack0x1d of religion
[16:53] Decibelle people just suck
[16:53] Greenwolf ehhh
[16:54] Decibelle well im not saying all people suck, i should clarify
[16:54] Decibelle im saying that people will be hateful and use any excuse or means to do so
[16:54] ARD Guys pls
[16:54] Greenwolf I think the stats would actually show that atheists, on the whole, tend to be more progressive than theists
[16:54] Decibelle regardless of believing in a religion or not
[16:54] Greenwolf ARD: this is like literally the worst convo to kick into 19
[16:54] AidenEldritch Y'all
[16:54] EldritchCadence Elsewhere with this, then.
[16:54] ARD Greenwolf: I know but 17 isn't meant for conversations any more
[16:54] ghostpage how about #site17sideconvo
[16:55] Greenwolf > General chat in #site19 unless staff are involved.
[16:55] ARD Sure go there
[16:55] Greenwolf > unless staff are involved
[16:55] =-= Lily has changed the topic to “A place to chat with or ask help from SCP Foundation staff. | General chat in #site19. No shitposting. | If you ask for help, GIVE US A FEW MINUTES TO RESPOND! | http://scp.bz/chat | Please use #thecritters for crit | Public chat may be logged on 05”
[16:55] Lily Greenwolf: fixed
[16:55] Lily Now
[16:55] Tuomey We're shutting it down, Greenwolf
[16:55] Tuomey Go
[16:55] Greenwolf if this is not the case it should be removed from the— alright then
[16:55] Lily Please move this from 17

After discussion was kicked by Lily:

[18:10] =-= GreenWolf was booted from #site17 by Lily (24h)

and sent this message:

<Lily> Hello, this is to notify you that you have been banned for 24 hours from #site17 due to repeatedly arguing against and refusing to follow op orders. This ban counts as an official warning.

Logged here at Lily's request.

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Re: GreenWolf

MrAnakinSpecter 21 Jun 2017 23:49

In response to this incident, GreenWolf asked to speak to an operator. ProcyonLotor was too tired, so I was forced to by that sneaky raccoon graciously volunteered to take the request instead. GreenWolf wanted the appeal to be logged so I am logging it. The ban stands.

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<GreenWolf>: alright, just for reference here's the discussion I already had with Lily about this before she had to sign off for the night: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OFrUoUdl/
<GreenWolf>: and this is the substance of the discussion in question: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/g8h2ZpXn/
<MrAnakinSpecter>: okay i read it all. what's up?
<GreenWolf>: I have two points here: 1, that I /did not continue the conversation after being asked to stop/, and 2, that an immediate 24 hour ban from 17 without prior warning is unnecessary escalation. If the warning is just "don't argue about op orders", that can be accomplished without a ban from the help channel. If the warning is "don't continue a discussion that's been stop ordered", /that didn't even happen/.
<GreenWolf>: Because the order of events here is: discussion, chat op says move discussion elsewhere, chat admin continues discussion, discussion is stopped again, clarification is made that the "unless staff are involved" clause is no longer in effect.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: okay do it's not really about that you didn't stop talking about a specific topic
<MrAnakinSpecter>: so*
<MrAnakinSpecter>: it seems to me that in those logs you showed me you argued a lot and/or tried to get everyone else to rationalize according to your opinion
<MrAnakinSpecter>: which doesn't work regardless of a user's operator or staff status, but shouldn't be done especially if everyone involved is an operator
<GreenWolf>: Okay, so ARD says "move this to 19" and my response is basically "do we really want to move this to 19? this is kind of a sensitive discussion" (and 19 isn't known for being great at dealing with those). His response is that "17 isn't for general chat anymore", and my response to that is to seek clarification on whether that applies to chat involving staff members now.
<GreenWolf>: maybe I could have done that a bit better, but ARD and I are friends, so I figured he'd know what I meant.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: using the arrows was a bit of a dick move, man, you know that.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: and you also know that this is another incident in a recurring pattern with you
<MrAnakinSpecter>: i'm all for rebellion fight the power or whatever, but there comes a point where being contrarian for contrarianism's sake is tiring for everyone involved, and personally this seems to be heading there
<GreenWolf>: I'm not being contrarian for contrarian sake, I was genuinely seeking clarification on what the policy actually is
<MrAnakinSpecter>: i'm not talking about this specific incident
<MrAnakinSpecter>: come on dude you clash with operators at least once a month
<MrAnakinSpecter>: that's not typical, there's got to be a reason
<MrAnakinSpecter>: and i honestly can't fathom what it is, maybe you could enlighten me?
<GreenWolf>: I have a vested interest in the policy direction of the site and don't always agree with how that policy is being applied. I mean, that's it basically. I'm not trying to be contrarian, I'm just a concerned user who wants to see said concerns addressed.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: you don't think it's a little odd that you take issue with every other thing we do, man?
<GreenWolf>: I will admit that I am at times more belligerent than is necessary, but that's only because I /care/ about these issues.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: right and i don't want to talk in circles with you right now.
<GreenWolf>: I can't help that I have strong opinions. That's just who I am.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: what was it you were hoping to get out of this? our ban policy changed, you being unbanned, what?
<GreenWolf>: I am making an effort to be less abrasive about expressing those opinions, but that's not the issue involved here.
<GreenWolf>: I guess this is an appeal of sorts? I don't think it's right that I'm being banned for 24 hours for something that I didn't do
<MrAnakinSpecter>: then what is. you haven't actually told me what you want. perhaps make an effort to be less abraisive and less verbose lol
<MrAnakinSpecter>: oh okay then there it is
<MrAnakinSpecter>: an appeal i can do
<MrAnakinSpecter>: you already gave your reasons why you thought this decision was unfair or wrong or what have you, so i'll just say what's what
<MrAnakinSpecter>: you know very well that this is the latest in a continuing pattern of incidents for you. we don't wipe the slate clean for every infraction, and we remember past clashes with you
<MrAnakinSpecter>: and every person that has been here a long time and can be realistically expected to know the rules
<MrAnakinSpecter>: you're not a newbie, and we won't treat you like a clueless newcomer that has no idea what they're doing
<MrAnakinSpecter>: part of being treated like you're not being hand-held all the time is owning up to your msitakes and dealing with the consequences.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: the 24 hour ban stands and i hope we have less of these talks in the future. good luck greenwolf and thank you for your appeal
<GreenWolf>: Alright, fair enough. I'd like this to be logged, assuming you weren't already going to do that.
<MrAnakinSpecter>: okay

Re: GreenWolf

A Random Day 01 Jul 2017 21:21

A political discussion in 19 went awry.

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5:03 PM <mlister> Hint: It won't
5:03 PM <DreadLindwyrm> It works by it's own rules, which were known in advance - and not complained about to this state before hand.
5:03 PM <MacLeod> stronger constitutional measures against gerrymandering and the lobbyist system
5:03 PM <mlister> Solo Yep
5:04 PM <DreadLindwyrm> It's also not like winning the popular vote and losing the college is a new thing either.
5:04 PM <DreadLindwyrm> So, you've had *years* to fix it…. and yet no-one has seriously tried.
5:04 PM <MacLeod> let's look at what armed rebellion looks like
5:04 PM <GreenWolf> DreadLindwyrm: fuck you, you don't know what I've done
5:04 PM <GreenWolf> you don't get to say I haven't tried
5:04 PM <mlister> DreadLindwyrm Would you say the EC is good way of ensuring the will of the people is properly represented?
5:04 PM <Solo> DreadLindwyrm: its happened 5 times in 200+ years
5:05 PM <mlister> Ops? Conversation has gone off the rails

Received a complaint about GreenWolf's behavior; Procyon put down a 24-hour ban from 19 for gross rudeness (the 17 ban doesn't count for escalation).

•ProcyonLotor banned *!*@gain.the.left.shall.rise) (+b)
5:12 PM ⇐ Conwell quit (ten.tsacmoc.ro.1dsh.D469AC34-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.tsacmoc.ro.1dsh.D469AC34-CRInys|tibbiM) Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
5:13 PM ← GreenWolf (esir.llahs.tfel.eht.niag|ecnO#esir.llahs.tfel.eht.niag|ecnO) was kicked by •ProcyonLotor: 24 hour warning ban for gross rudeness

Re: GreenWolf

SoullessSingularity 08 Jul 2017 19:32

After a discussion, Chat Admins recommend a more advanced escalation procedure upon any further infractions due to the long history of behavior from this user.

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Re: GreenWolf

(account deleted) 10 Jul 2017 23:10

This happened in 19.

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23:45	Dr0Shadow	GreenWolf: Could we count on the anomalous/occult for software based ai?
23:46	GreenWolf	no, because that's not how software works
23:46	Tufto	weryllium: go to sleep.
23:46	Tuomey	https://i.imgur.com/DMQyQUM.jpg
23:46	GreenWolf	AIAD is completely flawed, conceptually, and there's a reason why it's entirely incompatible with third law
23:46	Dr0Shadow	GreenWolf: mm
23:46	DrBleep	Weryllium, I've been meaning to ask, what part of the world do you live in?
23:46	weryllium	4 PM
23:46	weryllium	PM
23:46	weryllium	Vegas
23:46	DrBleep	Ah
23:46	Tufto	ohhhhh :p.
23:46	PKSlam	Almost 6 pm where I am
23:46	weryllium	all my sympathies with greenwolf's heat problems come from living in the same neck of the woods
23:46	Tufto	weryllium: drink some tea.
23:47	Tufto	10 to midnight here.
23:47	DrBleep	Weryllium, dry heat and wet heat, two different but equally terrible animals.
23:47	GreenWolf	god, this platforming section is going to drive me to homocide
23:47	weryllium	so i hear
23:47	weryllium	GreenWolf: that's a hate crime
23:47	Dr0Shadow	GreenWolf: How would you suggest we fix that problem, while preserving the mobility of the .aics
23:47	GreenWolf	Dr0Shadow: use hardware AIs
23:47		* DrBleep quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) PI.9F31A411.970433D9.3E3193F3|tibbiM#PI.9F31A411.970433D9.3E3193F3|tibbiM
23:48	GreenWolf	you can't fix AIAD, but you can do AI better than it
23:48	GreenWolf	which is what I've been doing
23:48	Dr0Shadow	GreenWolf: Wouldn't that pin them down in one place
23:48	GreenWolf	SCP-2897
23:48	jarvis	greenwolf: SCP-2897: The Bard of Analytics (written 5 months ago by GreenWolf; rating: +68) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2897
23:48	GreenWolf	reaaad
23:48	GreenWolf	reeeeeaaaaad
23:48		* Hippo is now known as HippoAway
23:48	Soulless	I feel like an idiot
23:48	Dr0Shadow	GreenWolf: I like the characters of AIAD too much for just abandoning it
23:49	Dr0Shadow	*to just
23:49	Dr0Shadow	abandon
23:49	GreenWolf	they're crummy characters too
23:49	Soulless	I was eating bagel chips and I was confused why the bagel chips had no holes in then
23:49	djkaktus	Yay are we shitting on AIAD again
23:49	GreenWolf	too tropey
23:49	Soulless	Then I realized the bagels were cut into /horizonal/ slices
23:49	Soulless	err
23:49	Soulless	*verical
23:49	Soulless	**berticq
23:49	GreenWolf	isn't that just bread at that point?
23:49	Soulless	**verical
23:49	djkaktus	How exciting
23:49	djkaktus	What fun
23:49	Soulless	god
23:49	Soulless	fuck
23:49	Soulless	**Vertical
23:50	GreenWolf	isn't the point of a bagel that it has a hole in it
23:50	Soulless	GreenWolf, I don't think the characters in AIAD are particularly bad
23:50	Soulless	they are effective
23:50		mlister likes AIAD
23:50	GreenWolf	they're overly tropey and one dimensional
23:50	Soulless	The characters tend to be highly distinct in their dialogue which is difficult and helpful
23:50	djkaktus	Dr0Shadow: enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. Don't let anyone tell you what you like
23:50	GreenWolf	like, if you like that kind of thing, fine good for you
23:50		* PKSlam quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) ten.labolgcbs.sknssm.deepsthgil.09E04FA4-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.labolgcbs.sknssm.deepsthgil.09E04FA4-CRInys|tibbiM
23:50	weryllium	bagel chips?
23:51	Soulless	GreenWolf, I don't like the series, I'm just willing to acknowledge what made AIAD work, and the primary thing that sold it was the strength of its characters in their appeal
23:51	djkaktus	Djoric used to do that, and y'all know how that turned out.
23:51		* ShowerBee is now known as SpookyBee
23:51	Soulless	To say otherwise is to imply AIAID is particularly well-prosed, but several of its tales are entirely dialogue
23:51		* DrMagnus quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ecneics.laer.setot.si.scisyhpatem|699332diu#ecneics.laer.setot.si.scisyhpatem|699332diu
23:51	GreenWolf	I happen to prefer writing beyond the level of children's educational cartoons
23:51	Soulless	Or highly plot-oriented, which it wasn't either
23:51	GreenWolf	Soulless: i mean, no, because I think it sucks at both of those things too
23:52	GreenWolf	AIAD is exceptionally poorly written, and mainly gets away with it because of its visual presentation
23:52		* GreenWolf was kicked by ProcyonLotor (There's "critique" and there's "being a dick". And one of those has you very close to a long ban, so you might want to consider carefully which you're giving.)
23:52	djkaktus	GreenWolf: can you not go one entire day without being an enormous goddamn asshole.
23:52		* GreenWolf joined #site19 esir.llahs.tfel.eht.niag|ecnO#esir.llahs.tfel.eht.niag|ecnO
23:52	ProcyonLotor	Are we quite clear, Greenwolf
23:52	GreenWolf	PM

@Chat Admins what exactly do you recommend

Re: GreenWolf

ProcyonLotor 10 Jul 2017 23:28

For the record (and I communicated this to other ops) the only reason I personally did not ban is because I am feeling quite poorly. I left the option open for them to do so.

Re: GreenWolf

LilyFlower 11 Jul 2017 00:52

Not a chat admin, obviously, but isn't this just exactly the same pattern of behaviour he always shows? The one that he's been banned for in the past? I think a ban is the only course of action at this stage.

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Re: GreenWolf

LilyFlower 11 Jul 2017 03:48

10:46:40 • LilyAFK banned *!*@gain.the.left.shall.rise (+b)

After a long discussion in opchat, banned for one month, with the caveat of a yearban on next offense, or a perma if particularly severe.

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Re: GreenWolf

SoullessSingularity 18 Dec 2017 04:38

Greenwolf made a complaint about the stopping of a conversation that was deemed as going in a negative direction, as it was about nihilism, death, and general existentialism. This incident has been ruled as needlessly aggressive and unnecessary on the part of the operators in question. It has been listed here for further context later. See these for logs.

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