ViewerOvIniquity
User decided to add "dumbass" as a pronoun via helen, so they've been banned for a week.
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ViewerOvIniquity
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Summary:
Messing with the pronoun bot
User appealed. Logs below:
2021-11-17 16:30:23 TawnyOwlJones: ViewerOvIniquity: do you have a question for staff? banned users are not permitted to lurk here
2021-11-17 16:30:33 ViewerOvIniquity: Yes
2021-11-17 16:30:43 TawnyOwlJones: go ahead
2021-11-17 16:34:08 ViewerOvIniquity: I would like to know if there was an event in the history of the scp chat that caused the current-day rules and regs to be so strict
2021-11-17 16:35:43 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity I cannot answer you if you keep quitting
2021-11-17 16:36:00 ViewerOvIniquity: sorry lag timeout
2021-11-17 16:36:23 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: we do not tolerate transphobia in this chat, and we are explicitly clear that joke pronouns are not acceptable in advance, and that using them will result in a week ban
2021-11-17 16:37:35 CuteGirl: We have a good number of Queer members, and we do our utmost to ensure this is a safe place for them. That includes cracking down on homophobia/transphobia, malicious or not.
2021-11-17 16:37:47 ViewerOvIniquity: Thank you
2021-11-17 16:38:18 ViewerOvIniquity: That's very caring of the staff to respect people's identity
2021-11-17 16:38:49 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: its bare minimum human decency tbh
2021-11-17 16:39:11 ViewerOvIniquity: Some people would disagree
2021-11-17 16:39:24 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: those people would be wrong
2021-11-17 16:39:41 ViewerOvIniquity: Yes, They are wrong.
2021-11-17 16:40:07 CuteGirl: Unless you have any further questions, or wish to appeal, I'm going to have to ask you to leave now
2021-11-17 16:40:16 ViewerOvIniquity: Another question
2021-11-17 16:40:31 ViewerOvIniquity: Why is the chat ban page private now?
2021-11-17 16:40:59 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: the chat ban page is public, 05's front page shows the most recent threads
2021-11-17 16:41:07 CuteGirl: Only the underage ban page is private
2021-11-17 16:41:49 ViewerOvIniquity: Not the chat ban forum.
2021-11-17 16:42:17 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: it is public
2021-11-17 16:42:39 ViewerOvIniquity: helens chat ban page is listed as private
2021-11-17 16:43:02 CuteGirl: Helen's chat ban page contains information about underage users
2021-11-17 16:43:15 ViewerOvIniquity: oh ok
2021-11-17 16:43:27 CuteGirl: Now, again, I'm asking you to leave
2021-11-17 16:43:41 ViewerOvIniquity: Goodbye
2021-11-17 16:43:48 ViewerOvIniquity: I may appeal later
2021-11-17 16:49:16 ViewerOvIniquity: I made up my mind
2021-11-17 16:49:59 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: okay, which is?
2021-11-17 16:50:34 ViewerOvIniquity: I will appeal.
2021-11-17 16:50:52 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: okay, I can hear your appeal
2021-11-17 16:51:56 CuteGirl: Dont get caught by the char limit for messages or you'll get kicked for flooding
2021-11-17 16:52:13 ViewerOvIniquity: The reason I was fooling around with the pronoun bot is because I wanted to make sure how it worked so I could use it to put in my real pronouns.
2021-11-17 16:52:26 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: is that your entire appeal?
2021-11-17 16:52:32 ViewerOvIniquity: No.
2021-11-17 16:52:38 CuteGirl: Okay
2021-11-17 16:53:27 ViewerOvIniquity: I also admit that while I did read the rule on pronoun-bot use
2021-11-17 16:53:50 ViewerOvIniquity: I did not understand the speed at which the ban would be levied
2021-11-17 16:54:14 CuteGirl: Anything else?
2021-11-17 16:54:47 ViewerOvIniquity: neither did I understand what constituted as "Fuckery", as I assumed it meant egregious misuse, not just one simple command.
2021-11-17 16:55:38 ViewerOvIniquity: I have never intended to insult nor offend any majorly recognized sexual minorities
2021-11-17 16:55:49 ViewerOvIniquity: Nor will I ever intend to do so.
2021-11-17 16:56:17 ViewerOvIniquity: I merely wish to use the chat for Idea discussion
2021-11-17 16:56:27 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: is your appeal complete now
2021-11-17 16:56:33 Lily: "Majorly recognised sexual minorities" dude
2021-11-17 16:57:06 ViewerOvIniquity: and, in the case of #site19 , occasionally off topic discussion.
2021-11-17 16:57:57 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: are you finished your appeal
2021-11-17 16:58:01 ViewerOvIniquity: Lily , I meant to imply I do not endorse zoophilia nor pedophilia in any shape nor form.
2021-11-17 16:58:09 ViewerOvIniquity: Yes, that was it.
2021-11-17 16:58:34 Lily: holy macaroni
2021-11-17 16:58:46 Lily: cg please do the honours
2021-11-17 16:59:30 CuteGirl: ViewerOvIniquity: your ban is most defintely not commuted. Appeal denied
2021-11-17 17:00:24 ViewerOvIniquity: Understood. I will hopefully come back in a week.
The appeal was denied, and chat staff (on the consensus of an admin, an operator, and two half-operators) opted to extend the ban to a 6 month duration due to concerns that arose surrounding the body of the appeal.
the six month ban seems excessive here. despite the pretty bad wording, they're not being homophobic and they're not claiming pedos or zoophiles are part of the lgbtq+ community. they're saying the opposite, actually. is it really worth extending a ban to six months just because they worded things badly?
Now that it isn’t sleep time (okay it is but I don’t have work tomorrow this time) we can all have a better sentence.
Here are some of the background facts we have for this user that may offer some context:
- formerly simpforinequity, made to change name.
Kind of weird, but not the end of the world. Defintely not a good start though.
- Came in asking about pregnancy effecting anomalies with -3 tact. Got combative when asked to drop it by l1ly and a user who has lost a child.
I was personally here for this conversation, it was a *trainwreck*. There was absolutely no tact shown, and as mentioned a user who lost a child had to be like “just stop”. This was after multiple “hey, maybe wait til you’ve got a bit more experience”/“don’t write that, it’s too sensitive as is” comments, where the hole just got deeper and the lack of regard for such a traumatic event was disregarded. The conversation was stop ordered, because it was clearly distressing a lot of people, and as mentioned the user got combatative.
- Age checked: 19 y/o. (2021-09-29)
This comment here is chat staff shorthand for: acting immaturely so we made sure they were of age
- came back to 19 in the "simp" nick; claimed it was an autologin accident when called out - noting it here in case if this turns out to be a lie + non-useful crits in critters (2021-09-29)
The name thing probably just was an accident, but we’re going for transparency with our notes on this one. The crit thing is kind of neutral, I didn’t witness it, but non useful crit is a thing that can become an issue.
So compound this behaviour (all of which we issued warnings for), with an appeal that whether inadvertently or not, compares Queer folks to Zoophiles and Pedophiles, and the usage of MAP (i.e Minor Attracted Person(s)), and it’s all a ball of “woah okay what on earth”. You can argue that this was a case of putting your foot in your mouth, but I cannot think of a single context where you actually need to clarify that you don’t support pedophiles/zoophiles in order to appeal your ban for misusing the pronoun bot, it’s a red flag, at the absolute minimum a shining amber one.
The appeal also completely failed to take responsibility for the actions, I’ll be paraphrasing: “I didn’t understand the rule” “I didn’t think fucking with pronouns meant this” (where this was fucking with pronouns), and “I didn’t think I’d be punished so quick” (this one was weird to me)
All in all, we decided to give the user a 6 month ban so that they could take some time to reflect, and return at a maturity level/with interactions more suitable for chat. The idea of a perma was briefly tossed around, but we decided 6 months was much more suitable.
And as mentioned, 4 people voted on it. We essentially had a 6.5 person team at the time of the ban, so this was a majority. The chat staff roster is not representative of who is actually chat staff right now, because even users with that title are rarely around to do actual chat staff things.
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