Disciplinary - MartyK-1

Summary:

Vehemence

Disciplinary - MartyK-1

MomBun 26 Sep 2021 16:39

Posted with permission from Zyn

User MartyK-1 (account age is 6 days, joined the wiki 3 days ago) recently posted a green light thread for an SCP article dealing with mental illness. When concerns were raised about potential issues with the portrayal and some harmful stereotypes, MartyK-1 reacted with vehemence and accused of users willing to critique the article of having mental disorders.

The Comments

In reply to FableTiefling pointing out that the usage of Schizophrenia in this idea was harmful

Thank You for your input. I have since edited the story, adding a lot more detail. While I wish I could add more, I have to reduce the word count.

However, this isn't a tasteless and worn out trope. The reason this is an interesting SCP is because most "dangerous" SCPs involve horrendously killing people or total destruction of civilization. I wanted to make something that doesn't directly kill or destroy. Instead, it influenced the mind of its reader in an observable and measurable manner. This SCP is not supposed to use the trope of "ooh this schizophrenic person is CRAZY and SCARY", that is your individual interpretation of this article. But not the tone I was going for. Not all instances of this SCP would have to result in murder of course, there would obviously be a lot less extreme circumstances. However, this story is the one that first came to my mind.

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Just because this concept isn't new to the wiki doesn't mean I can't still submit it. There are lots of SCPs who have similar functionalities. You also seem to be focusing too much on schizophrenia. Other symptoms includes stress(psychologically and physiologically), insomnia, paranoia, and psychosis. I would also prefer it if you didn't assume I have no knowledge in the field on mental illness. I'm a psychology major and have been interested by mental health issues for years now, and have done significant research on these topics. That shouldn't matter, however, as long as I have what I believe to be an original idea (which it is) and I show respect to the topics I am bringing to light through the SCP (which I am).

The phrase "making people lose control of themselves" is not an accurate representation of this SCP. The symptoms this SCP would have on people are very observable and measurable based on fear, health conditions, number of pages read, etc. Not everything has to be about schizophrenia which is where you're wrong regarding this SCP.

I cannot tell you how much I want to make and publish more stories of people and subjects who have come into contact with this SCP. However, I literally cannot because if I go over the word count for this article, it can't be greenlit.

In a reply to a post of my critique

I hope I only have to say this one last time, but I originally wanted the focus of this SCP to be the condition, research, and treatment of the mental illness. But then I brought it to the chatroom and people started asking me to expand on the backstory of the person. And I can't tell you how much I want to write more about this giving scenarios that don't involve murder, but I can't because of the word limit and people continuously asking "why" questions wanting me to dive deeper into a specific person. So what do I do, do I make multiple shallow stories which will result in people complaining about my surface level engagement? One in-depth story which will result in people complaining about my generalization of everyone with mental disorders?

I thank you for some of the advice you gave me in your second block. However, you're really the first person to give any advice other than "this is overly used and insensitive". So before I edit it more, tell me if you think this SCP has any chance of being greenlit, without changing its core aspect and making everyone happy.

Edit: I don't know why people are doing this. But I get the feeling that a lot of people are taking this SCP too personally. I am doing my best to improve it, but a lot of people with mental disorders seem to be attacking it rather than trying to help me improve it. And using their mental disorder as justification for my stupidity on the subject and the poor quality of the article. That's just a feeling I'm getting though.

The thread can be found here.

Re: Disciplinary - MartyK-1

Naveil 26 Sep 2021 16:42

Noting that I gave this user a warning on Zyn's discretion.

Re: Disciplinary - MartyK-1

Zyn 26 Sep 2021 18:08

Confirming that I gave direction for the official warning to be posted. The user's chat history, particularly their responses to people with personal experience with mental illness, does not seem to indicate the respect needed for handling the material they want to write.

Re: Disciplinary - MartyK-1

OriTiefling 26 Sep 2021 16:51

Noting that I left a [long post] specifically addressing one of the user's posts, behavior, and their personal issues with the forum on Zyn's discretion.

Re: Disciplinary - MartyK-1

Naveil 26 Sep 2021 17:35

Received a PM from this user:

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Hello Naveil,

I don't know if there is a different process for this, but since you have taken a look at this page. I am requesting that you or someone who can deletes the page https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-14207693/seeking-greenlight-scary-story#post-5093574. I can see that it is taking a lot of negative feedback, even though I believe my SCP to be a good idea. I don't feel comfortable with some of the specific criticism I've received regarding my SCP, and the influx of people claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about. So please have the page removed from the forum if possible. I'd rather not have to see this type of unconstructive criticism again.

Thank You,
MartyK-1

Sent back:

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Staff do not remove posts under normal circumstances and generally only do when a post in question contains severe rulebreaking content. As it stands, the thread is not rulebreaking, nor is any post under it.

They don't seem intent on improving any time soon.

Re: Disciplinary - MartyK-1

OriTiefling 26 Sep 2021 17:59

Porting relevant IRC chatlogs per Zyn's direction.

+Open for a surprise!

2021-09-25 20:26:35 MartyK-1: I don't mean to attack you in any way, but earlier I had the feeling that you took my idea as kind of personal because you stated your condition almost right away and sort of took the position of a victim against my idea. It's totally okay to feel that way, but I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't getting in the way of your critique of my
2021-09-25 20:26:35 MartyK-1: idea

2021-09-26 08:54:15 MartyK-1: Unfortunately, yesterday I was advised to add all this extra detail. Because there were a couple critiques who were sensitive around the topic of mental illness
2021-09-26 08:54:27 Teddy: I see
2021-09-26 08:54:55 MartyK-1: If I remove to much, I worry the article will be labeled as insensitive
2021-09-26 08:57:49 MartyK-1: I only added information that I feel is required to the central narrative, as well as the creation story of the SCP. My goal is > to make the focus of the SCP not the object itself (since it's literally just a book, not that intriguing) but instead the subjects who come into contact with it
2021-09-26 08:57:51 Teddy: Its always a sensitive subject.
2021-09-26 08:58:14 MartyK-1: I was asked "why should we care about this person" "can we get more detail about this person's life"