Tuk6

Summary:

Poor reception to critique

Tuk6

Limeyy 28 Jun 2021 20:32

Note: Not chat staff, posting on behalf of site crit.

Following a pattern of failing to respond and take on board critique over the last 4 months, as well as persistent requests for critique and pity-partying, Tuk6 has been given a 1 month ban from #thecritters with the consensus of crit staff. An appeal is available to them should they choose to take it.

+ Example of above behaviour

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[2021-06-28 20:16:43] <Tuk6> hey, anyone on who can give feedback to a seeking?
[2021-06-28 20:18:09] <Mooagain> idea or draft?
[2021-06-28 20:18:45] <Tuk6> currently idea seeking, a greenlight seeking, stage one of getting to the wall
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[2021-06-28 20:19:21] <Mooagain> I can check it out
[2021-06-28 20:19:30] <Tuk6> http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-14131297/green-light-seeking#post-5012901 thx
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[2021-06-28 20:21:30] <Mooagain> What actually happens in this story?
[2021-06-28 20:21:47] <Mooagain> All I see is a magic person that kills other magic things
[2021-06-28 20:22:45] <Tuk6> ehh, i figured this narrative was horrible
[2021-06-28 20:23:19] <Mooagain> It's not horrible, it's not a narrative. What kind of things would you want this person to do?
[2021-06-28 20:23:20] <Tuk6> i was taking advise on trying to make the narrative speak on what "natural" means but looks like i messed up
[2021-06-28 20:25:27] <Tuk6> hmmm well she can manifest anywhere she wants and shapeshift, those ability's arnt up to debate
[2021-06-28 20:26:35] <Tuk6> though i have been working on HOW she can do it connecting her to her birth
[2021-06-28 20:26:55] <Mooagain> Tacking on powers doesn't make for a story, what kind of things happen that can get some kind of response from the reader
[2021-06-28 20:27:46] <Tuk6> the central narrative is my greatest weakness
[2021-06-28 20:28:15] <Tuk6> what did you have in mind mooagain? i'll take any and ALL advise
[2021-06-28 20:30:50] <Mooagain> Well the story is supposed to be your job
[2021-06-28 20:31:19] <Tuk6> and i've tried to write a story, so far what you read was attempt number 8
[2021-06-28 20:31:26] <Tuk6> for THIS idea
[2021-06-28 20:31:31] <Mooagain> I would advise you read a lot more scps, and start with the story before the anomaly
[2021-06-28 20:31:43] <Tuk6> that doesn't help with this
[2021-06-28 20:31:48] <Mooagain> It's easier to make the anomaly around the story than the other way around
[2021-06-28 20:32:07] <Tuk6> i be reading DOCUMENTS not other greenlight seeking, the layouts are very different
[2021-06-28 20:32:22] <Tuk6> and wouldn't help in the slightest
[2021-06-28 20:33:03] <Mooagain> Reading other greenlit scps does help a bit from what I've heard
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[2021-06-28 20:34:07] <Tuk6> thats tough on its own
[2021-06-28 20:34:44] <Mooagain> It's hard to get this figured out, but it's worth the effort in the end
[2021-06-28 20:34:49] <Mooagain> Anyway, I have to leave now, sorry to cut this short
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[2021-06-28 20:36:19] <Tuk6> ill us last attempt until
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[2021-06-28 20:37:27] <Tuk6> hey fish…
[2021-06-28 20:37:40] <Fish> i've been summoned
[2021-06-28 20:37:55] <Tuk6> for?
[2021-06-28 20:38:09] <Fish> unknown as of yet
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[2021-06-28 20:38:51] <Dmatix> That's slightly ominous.
[2021-06-28 20:38:51] <Tuk6> wanna give feedback?
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[2021-06-28 20:39:19] <Fish> anyway I'll just drop a pitch here: I have an idea for a -J and I know that -J's are difficult to write but if anyone's willing to hear me out I'll gladly write a dissertation on my idea.
[2021-06-28 20:39:24] <Fish> Dmatix thx
[2021-06-28 20:39:35] <Tuk6> guess thats a no
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[2021-06-28 20:40:06] <Fish> Tuk6 I could give feedback, but as a warning, I don't have greenlighting priviledes
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[2021-06-28 20:40:13] <Fish> privileges* lol
[2021-06-28 20:40:17] <Dmatix> I have written a single -J and it's been hell. What I ended up posting wasn't even that good, just a mass of what are now outdated injokes.
[2021-06-28 20:40:35] <Tuk6> i dont care, my hopes to get greenlight is dead until i get the central narrative right
[2021-06-28 20:40:44] <Tuk6> http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-14131297/green-light-seeking#post-5012953
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[2021-06-28 20:40:49] <Iszth> My life is a -J
[2021-06-28 20:40:57] <McGus> Oh hey Neth, if I don't/didn't respond to you, then it means my internet is screwing with me. Anyway, how's the article so far?
[2021-06-28 20:41:02] <Tuk6> my life is like scp-000
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[2021-06-28 20:41:31] <Fish> I'd like to think my idea is resistant to outdated jokes
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[2021-06-28 20:41:48] <Neth> It's really good so far! I'm still reading, sorry! I'm a slow reader
[2021-06-28 20:41:54] <Fish> I'm not into pop culture references in writing so I keep them isolated
[2021-06-28 20:48:29] <Tuk6> hello?
[2021-06-28 20:49:37] <Rhineriver> If anyone has the time, I have a somewhat short draft I need crit on
[2021-06-28 20:49:50] <Tuk6> already ahead of you river
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[2021-06-28 20:50:39] <Tuk6> why can't i get the central narrative right… its always wrong, what am i missing

Last edited on 28 Jun 2021 21:44 by Limeyy Show more

Re: Tuk6

ManyMeats 28 Jun 2021 23:35

I have enacted the ban on the IRC end. Set to expire July 28th.

Re: Tuk6

MalyceGraves 30 Jun 2021 20:35

This user popped in to appeal. Log follows:

+ Log

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[15:22:21] <Tuk6> i need help, major help
[15:22:34] <cybersqyd> yeah?
[15:24:10] <Tuk6> it says ive been banned from the critter for a failure to engage with critique productively, and pity partying and i don't know what a pity party is
[15:24:40] <Tuk6> and i know im VERY active on the critter i go daily to get help and advise, i NEED the critter
[15:24:44] <cybersqyd> pity partying is the name we generally use to describe behaviours where you just kinda, sulk about poor reception to your ideas
[15:24:50] <cybersqyd> are you here to appeal your ban?
[15:25:45] <Tuk6> i would like to ya if possible i'll admit i sometime get questionable if my scp is good but its not sulking like im giving up, i still keep trying and get over it in a heartbeat
[15:26:02] <cybersqyd> give me a sec I'm trying to find someone to take it then
[15:26:48] <Tuk6> i mean i havent TRIED to be sulky like you said though it might have rubbed off since text doesnt really give off tone
[15:26:51] <MalyceGraves> One moment please
[15:26:53] <Tuk6> okay
[15:30:47] <MalyceGraves> Tuk6: Ok, I will take your appeal. give me a moment to read through the thread.
[15:31:18] <Tuk6> i feel scared
[15:32:38] <MalyceGraves> There is no reason for you to feel scared. Take your time. Have you seen the record of the ban? Do you have any questions about it before you begin your appeal?
[15:34:27] <Tuk6> honestly to many question to ask, i might of committed a crime i didn't even know i was doing, though if I cant lift the ban i do wanna appeal to have it shorten, that is the only thing i have to say, let us begin malycegraves
[15:34:47] <MalyceGraves> At your leisure, then.
[15:39:02] <MalyceGraves> Tuk6: Please keep in mind that there is a text buffer. If you copy/paste several lines of text you may be automatically kicked/banned by network services
[15:39:29] <MalyceGraves> If that happens, I'll remove the ban, but keep that in mind just in case.
[15:39:46] <Tuk6> i know that rule, i will double keep that in mind
[15:40:18] <MalyceGraves> Just wanted to make sure. I didn't want to freak you out if I could help it.
[15:41:12] <Tuk6> that's fine, you didn't freak me out, im only worried about having this ban for a whole month with no help
[15:48:55] <MalyceGraves> So….?
[15:49:29] <Tuk6> I've never done an appeal before, this is my first one
[15:49:43] <MalyceGraves> I just wanted to make sure you're still with me
[15:49:44] <Tuk6> yoour gonna have to lead this one malycegraves
[15:51:17] <Tuk6> what happens now malycegraves?
[15:51:57] <MalyceGraves> Well, I can't make your appeal for you. If you've read the reasons for why you've been banned and you understand them, then you can tell me why you think the ban should be overturned or commuted.
[15:54:36] <Tuk6> alrighty then, i'll admit i made two down time moments in the text, but only with the moments with more then two dots in the sentence next up to each other, only a hey fish and me doubting my skills, i have the habit of speaking my mind out, sometimes with typing to, like a nervous habit of sort
[15:56:39] <MalyceGraves> Ok.
[15:56:55] <Tuk6> all the other text must of been taken out of context, misread without proper tone, i can identify what tone was ment to be said
[15:59:20] <MalyceGraves> According to your ban record, this is a pattern of behavior that stretches over four months. It isn't a simple matter of misreading or misunderstanding tone
[16:00:13] <Tuk6> ???? but i only go on the critter for feed back and help, i don't go their for any other reason, how can it stretch over 4 month
[16:00:45] <Tuk6> i dont go to make chitchat, or to talk out problem only for one reason, feedback for the greenlight thats it, nothing more nothing less
[16:01:58] <MalyceGraves> The issue, according to the record:
[16:02:05] <MalyceGraves> > Following a pattern of failing to respond and take on board critique over the last 4 months, as well as persistent requests for critique and pity-partying
[16:02:25] <Tuk6> whats take on board critique?
[16:02:45] <MalyceGraves> It is difficult for me to accept that critstaff have spent four months misunderstanding/misinterpreting you
[16:03:18] <Tuk6> um i think you need to clearify what take on board critique means
[16:03:32] <MalyceGraves> You don't take critique well. My read is that you beg people to give you critique, yet you fail to either learn from that critique or to adopt the suggested critique in any meaningful way
[16:04:15] <Tuk6> i take ALL the advice i get in fact ive kept some of them with me in the greenlight itself to reuse for methoid reminders
[16:04:39] <Tuk6> Hmmm, I'm actually suggesting you focus more on the foundation characters here and build on that tenuous father/daughter dynamic You can show that through repeated experimentation and the father trying to get approval to use the "cure-all" SCPs but they either fail or the approval requests get denied have the entire narrative be a dissection of
[16:04:39] <Tuk6> what "natural" means Tacking on powers doesn't make for a story, what kind of things happen that can get some kind of response from the reader what inspired you to write the article given form through the article
[16:05:04] <Tuk6> and i use each one when i change my narrative
[16:05:52] <MalyceGraves> Look, we can argue over semantics all you want, but you have yet to provide me with any real reason to overturn the ban. Why should I overturn or shorten the ban?
[16:09:20] <CopperyMarrow15> Is there a Wikidot equivalent to HTML's <hr> tag?
[16:10:17] <stormfallen> CopperyMarrow15: might be a question better suited for #site11, which is the tech team chat. There's currently an appeal going on in here.
[16:10:37] <CopperyMarrow15> ok
[16:12:00] <Tuk6> i wanna say i do adopt and change everything i do with the advice i am given, i don't know who says i don't but i do, i know im a bad story teller, its why i take each and every help i can get, and its why i go on the critter frequently, to get new feedback for the changes i make in the narrative, we all use it, and we all need it. look i don't
[16:12:03] <Tuk6> have any proof or anything that's physicals evidence that would really impact you, only my words and plead. i work hard and take all the help i can get for scp wiki cause i take it very seriously, i'm just asking for a little mercy here, i don't wanna fall a month behind with the rest of the wiki, i wanna stay up with them, figure out what i need,
[16:12:03] <Tuk6> and get the narrative down right from expert's its why im appealing right now
[16:13:14] <MalyceGraves> I see.
[16:13:20] <MalyceGraves> Is that the extent of your appeal?
[16:14:13] <Tuk6> I don't want this to be like Undertale all over again, make an idea then give up on it when something stands in my way. that is the extent of what i can give malyce
[16:17:29] <MalyceGraves> Ok. I am going to decline your appeal. It is evident to me that you aren't entirely cognizant of the fact that you respond poorly to critique, despite being told repeatedly that you respond poorly to critique. Thus, it is unlikely that removing your ban would result in improved behavior. Crit/review staff are doing this as volunteers, and continuously begging them for critique on poorly conceived idea after poorly conceived idea burns us out
[16:17:29] <MalyceGraves> faster than just about anything else.
[16:18:28] <MalyceGraves> I strongly urge you to take a break for a bit and actually spend some time reading the site, especially recent articles. You need to see and understand how articles on the site work, and you've become so hyperfocused on the greenlighting process that you have lost sight of how stories are told on the main site.
[16:19:54] <MalyceGraves> Furthermore, upon the completion of your ban period, if you return here and continue to waste reviewers time, I will strongly recommend that that ban be reinstated permanently. I have little patience for people who continuously waste the time of unpaid volunteers by shotgunning ideas and refusing to listen and adopt repeated advice.
[16:20:12] <Tuk6> if i take a break, i lose everything, i cant make it on my own, i tried before, multiple times malyce, why else would one person go to the critter so much and ask for feedback so much
[16:22:44] <Tuk6> also ive TRIED reading the site, scp documents dont really show you where you need to write into your narrative, only in descriptions, files, containment,
[16:23:09] <Tuk6> ive read over 50 different humanoid scp from ver 4000+
[16:25:56] <MalyceGraves> Telling a narrative in the SCP-verse is told through descriptions, files, interviews, etc. We aren't here to teach you how to write, friend. Reviewers aren't editors or instructors. There are many different resources available across the internet that can help you with learning how to write. Many of these resources are free.
[16:27:21] <MalyceGraves> Now, I am going to be very clear. You have been banned from seeking crit on IRC. That doesn't prevent you from utilizing the butterfly squad or the forums. You are also welcome to seek crit elsewhere. That being said, if you are caught soliciting critique in any of the official SCP channels, your #thecritters ban will be expanded to include all of the official SCP channels.
[16:28:16] <MalyceGraves> Do you understand?
[16:28:47] <Tuk6> first tried the butterfly squad at least multiple times, never got a respond from them the one person i though was a friend just gave me documents to read, thanks for at least giving me an appeal malyce and fdont worry i understand dreams arnt ment for everyone, i'll never set vitural foot in the critter ever again
[16:30:21] <MalyceGraves> Good day.
[16:30:30] <MalyceGraves> as in, I wish you a good day.
[16:30:33] <Tuk6> you too ma}1l
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Appeal denied.

Re: Tuk6

MalyceGraves 30 Jun 2021 20:54

After this, chatstaff became aware of PMs sent to one of our reviewers. The log of these PMs follows:

+ Log. (CW: abusive language)

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[2021-06-30 20:53:48] <Tuk6> why?
[2021-06-30 20:55:19] <Tuk6> why did you get me banned from thectriier
[2021-06-30 20:56:39] <Limeyy> I did not get you banned from critters, I was the staff that logged it. It was from the consensus of crit staff, and it is a 1 month temporary ban as seen on the thread (http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-14133062/tuk6). As mentioned in the PM you were sent, there are plenty of other avenues to get critique not on irc, and plenty of guides for writing that I'd definitely recommend. They can help a lot
[2021-06-30 20:58:36] <Tuk6> limeyy, that just says your name was the one to do it, *sigh* you could of talked to me first, you know how serious i need the critter
[2021-06-30 21:01:17] <Limeyy> I was the one who logged it, not the sole decider. As mentioned, there are plenty of other avenues to get critique, as well as guides that may help with a lot of the issues you are facing. You won't be begrudged or judged from this temporary ban moving forward, but it was deemed necessary by a consensus of chat staff.
[2021-06-30 21:01:56] <Tuk6> i'm not understanding i only go one the critter for one reason and you know that reasomn
[2021-06-30 21:12:25] <Tuk6> why do you think i ignored all the advice i take
[2021-06-30 21:16:52] <Limeyy> I do not think you maliciously ignored the advice given, but you have been given a lot of critique over the last 4 months and it has failed to fully sink in. A month to recollect your thoughts, explore the guides the site has to offer and take slower form critique would be beneficial, and this is what this is
[2021-06-30 21:18:25] <Tuk6> im just bad at understanding limeyy!, i'm trying here to expand and i think im starting to understand it, then i get slapped in a face that for all the hard work ive tried with improving and expanding my thinking, and my reward is banned for a whole month
[2021-06-30 21:18:55] <Tuk6> also like i said reading scp documents wont help me, i tried with snake child remember
[2021-06-30 21:20:53] <Limeyy> A month is a slap on the wrist to let you collect your thoughts and focus elsewhere. Read the guides - these aren't documents, they're made to make your writing better. Analyze articles. *really* analyze them.
[2021-06-30 21:20:58] <Limeyy> I have to go now
[2021-06-30 21:20:59] <Limeyy> be well
[2021-06-30 21:21:38] <Tuk6> thanks to that, im told ill get perminittly banned if i ask for more help after the lift, thanks to that, im now hopeless, you killed my dreams of getting to the wall limeyy
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Consensus in opchat was to implement a yearlong ban from the SCP public channels and implement a permanent ban from #thecritters for using abusive and manipulative language.

This may be appealed again in 1 year.

Of additional note, the reviewer in question stated that they felt that a permanent ban from #thecritters was excessive. This objection has been noted here.

This objection has been revoked upon receipt of an abusive wikidot PM from the user.

Last edited on 30 Jun 2021 20:56 by MalyceGraves Show more