Logs of an incident from January 10 were brought to chat staff's attention, in which user Jak espoused transphobic views and then attempted to run away when called out. The latter behavior has also been seen at other times from him. Weeklong ban.
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[2020-01-10 21:26:03] <Jak> Bloomington is fucking *HIT* with college kids.
[2020-01-10 21:26:08] <Calibri_Bold> I'm actually super happy that FFB upvoted 4456-D.
[2020-01-10 21:26:14] <Calibri_Bold> Since it's a time travel SCP.
[2020-01-10 21:26:20] <Jak> Malcolm and I are very conservative. We get in trouble for it all the time
[2020-01-10 21:26:26] <Dyslexion> I've got everything you could want
[2020-01-10 21:26:27] <LordofLaugh> rip smh
[2020-01-10 21:26:36] <Calibri_Bold> And she's pretty much the boss of temporal stuff.
[2020-01-10 21:26:59] <Lt_Flops> time travel boss lady
[2020-01-10 21:27:31] <LordofLaugh> Jak: ay if you're gonna be around for a while we could meet up at somepoint, I got a car and shit
[2020-01-10 21:27:31] <Dyslexion> I got gunpowder, nitroglycerin, notepads, fuses, wicks, glue, and… paper clips, big ones. You know, just, uh, office supplies.
[2020-01-10 21:27:36] <LordofLaugh> .seen -f jak
[2020-01-10 21:27:37] <Secretary_Helen> I first met jak 36 days ago saying: subtletree uh… I was talking about something else. I didnt even see the pun 😂
[2020-01-10 21:27:54] <Jak> .seen -f JakdragonX
[2020-01-10 21:27:55] <Secretary_Helen> I first met JakdragonX 147 days ago saying: Ive never been on this chat before, so i don't know what it is xD
[2020-01-10 21:27:57] <LordofLaugh> rip your -f has a ping
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[2020-01-10 21:28:06] <LordofLaugh> oh right lol
[2020-01-10 21:28:32] <Jak> Dude the chances of me finding some a literal county over is so slim
[2020-01-10 21:28:41] <Calibri_Bold> Jak: I'm honestly somewhat conservative too, but I'm fairly chill and I don't talk politics anyways, so nobody really cares.
[2020-01-10 21:28:56] <Calibri_Bold> AFrivolousPursuit: Heyo!
[2020-01-10 21:29:07] <AFrivolousPursuit> Hiii!
[2020-01-10 21:29:14] — LordofLaugh yawns
[2020-01-10 21:29:44] <Calibri_Bold> Jak: Well, some folks here have given me crap for my beliefs and stuff, but they're pretty chill otherwise.
[2020-01-10 21:29:52] <Jak> Calibri_Bold: Its gotten me into trouble. Well, not really. I never get angry or emotional. What I say usually just incites ill-responses because their feelings can take over. I mean, that's fine.
[2020-01-10 21:30:30] <Cerastes> Jak: how'd you get in trouble?
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[2020-01-10 21:31:26] <LittleFieryOne> Hello
[2020-01-10 21:31:32] <TheBlueHour> 'Ello.
[2020-01-10 21:31:33] <Calibri_Bold> LittleFieryOne: Heyo.
[2020-01-10 21:31:42] <Jak> Cerastes: I tend to let facts do more talking than myself. But I've also been known to continue the debate. I also have no filter. And that's not because I dont care, it's because I do care
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[2020-01-10 21:33:33] <Cerastes> hmm
[2020-01-10 21:33:40] <Dyslexion> I'm incapable of introspection and self-improvement because I'm the pinnacle of human evolution >:3c
[2020-01-10 21:33:42] <RockTeethMothEyes> .y little teeth japanese candy
[2020-01-10 21:33:43] <Secretary_Helen> RockTeethMothEyes: little teeth- japanese candy - length 2m21s - 61↑6↓ - 8568 views - ksoundkrew - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcl4AX4krb0
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[2020-01-10 21:34:15] <Cerastes> well as long as you dont believe in fucking someone over because of their religion/ethnicity/sexuality/financial status, you should be fine, i suppose
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[2020-01-10 21:34:34] <LittleFieryOne> Aghghgh
[2020-01-10 21:35:06] <AndarielHalo> waaaahhbuffet
[2020-01-10 21:35:54] <djkaktus> .au
[2020-01-10 21:35:55] <Secretary_Helen> djkaktus: djkaktus - (http://www.scp-wiki.net/djkaktus) has 136 pages. (86 SCP articles, 32 Tales, 3 GoI Formats, 14 others.) They have 35286 net upvotes with an average of 259. Their latest page is SCP-4864: Depravity and Indifference at 35.
[2020-01-10 21:36:00] <TheBlueHour> Dyselexion, yeah but I'm transhuman.
[2020-01-10 21:36:17] <Jak> Cerastes: I dont exactly understand what you're assuming of me but I agree. I care so more on the character you are as opposed to your race, religion, sexuality, or whatever else. Identifying people solely on their physical characters has always annoyed me. I could care less. Bring diversity of thought moreso than diversity of physicality
[2020-01-10 21:36:31] <TheBlueHour> Transhumans»»»>Human evolution
[2020-01-10 21:36:33] <Jak> djkaktus: LordofLaugh and I just had the craziest realization
[2020-01-10 21:36:43] <LordofLaugh> hm?
[2020-01-10 21:36:58] <djkaktus> Is that so
[2020-01-10 21:36:59] <Jak> LordofLaugh: we just talked about it 😂
[2020-01-10 21:37:03] <RockTeethMothEyes> Ever listen to a song because you hate it?
[2020-01-10 21:37:24] <TheBlueHour> No.
[2020-01-10 21:37:34] <LordofLaugh> Jak: kaktus in georgia now btw
[2020-01-10 21:37:36] <RockTeethMothEyes> Just me, then. Got it.
[2020-01-10 21:37:42] <Jak> djkaktus: We're both near the area of Bloomington Indiana.
[2020-01-10 21:38:26] <Jak> LordofLaugh: oh I know (well, I didn't, but I knew from your context that kaktus wasnt around. Still thought it was cool to mention)
[2020-01-10 21:38:37] <Cerastes> Jak: well just that a lot of conservatives in the us dont approve of stuff like gay marriage
[2020-01-10 21:38:48] <Cerastes> think the statistic was like half?
[2020-01-10 21:38:53] <LordofLaugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSKb8Fw_bI
[2020-01-10 21:38:53] <Secretary_Helen> LordofLaugh: Potion Seller's Bizarre Adventure - length 1m48s - 37124↑421↓ - 390749 views - Hayden Cecil - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSKb8Fw_bI
[2020-01-10 21:38:55] <LordofLaugh> lmao
[2020-01-10 21:39:00] <Cerastes> though that was like two years ago, may have gone down
[2020-01-10 21:39:22] <djkaktus> Jak: right on right on. I was actually in Bloomington last week
[2020-01-10 21:39:33] <djkaktus> Visiting some friends for new years
[2020-01-10 21:39:59] <Calibri_Bold> Cerastes: I would assume so. I live in a fairly conservative area, and I've very rarely heard gay marriage mentioned as an issue.
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[2020-01-10 21:40:12] <JoeCapricorn> Because they lost
[2020-01-10 21:40:23] <LittleFieryOne> RockTeethMothEyes: Would getting a song I hate stuck in my head count?
[2020-01-10 21:40:27] <LordofLaugh> djkaktus: do anything fun?
[2020-01-10 21:40:38] <sedition> if they dont like gay marriage, they dont need to get one
[2020-01-10 21:40:40] <RockTeethMothEyes> LittleFieryOne: It can.
[2020-01-10 21:41:07] <Cerastes> sedition: nah, everyone has to be gay married, Obama said so. Didn't you hear?
[2020-01-10 21:41:15] <LittleFieryOne> Because half the time when I want to think about Pink Floyd's the wall my mind gives me Doug Walkers the wall.
[2020-01-10 21:41:16] <djkaktus> LordofLaugh: aside from a few parties and seeing some babies, not really. It's nice to get back and see everyone though.
[2020-01-10 21:41:17] <LordofLaugh> sedition: bruh relax
[2020-01-10 21:41:25] <sedition> i…am?
[2020-01-10 21:41:31] <Jak> Cerastes: I'd highly disagree with that. Actually, conservatives really could care less who you were married to. Conservatives really only said, "get the government out of marriage and stop forcing churches and everyone else to bend over backwards for them if they arent comfortable with doing so."
[2020-01-10 21:41:46] <Jak> djkaktus: that's awesome! I live in Columbus actually
[2020-01-10 21:41:48] <sedition> we know vastly different kinds of conservatives
[2020-01-10 21:41:53] <Cerastes> Jak: well
[2020-01-10 21:41:55] <LordofLaugh> djkaktus: dope, I'm hurt you didn't tell me thoough :P
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[2020-01-10 21:42:16] <Calibri_Bold> sedition: To be fair, there are many different kinds of both conservatives and liberals. Some good, some bad.
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[2020-01-10 21:42:21] <djkaktus> Indeed I did drive through Columbus on my way to Indy from my place.
[2020-01-10 21:43:04] <Jak> djkaktus: that's awesome! Somewhere over there, theres a 17 year old kid who loves reading your work. Keep doing a great job!
[2020-01-10 21:43:09] <djkaktus> LordofLaugh: don't feel too bad, I wasn't in Bloomington long. Just for a morning to see some people and then skip town.
[2020-01-10 21:43:10] <Calibri_Bold> Cerastes: "I'm from the future, gay marriage is now legal!" "Isn't that a good thing?" "Did I say legal? I meant MANDATORY."
[2020-01-10 21:43:22] <djkaktus> Jak: lmao thanks homie.
[2020-01-10 21:43:29] <Jak> No prob! :)
[2020-01-10 21:44:10] <Jak> djkaktus are you excited? Three days until 5kon. Good luck!
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[2020-01-10 21:44:33] <Cerastes> Jak: so you're saying people like mike pence aint conservative?
[2020-01-10 21:44:39] <djkaktus> Jak: thanks. Lot of work to do obvs but it'll be fun
[2020-01-10 21:45:03] <Cerastes> anyone remember that one skip that was like 294 but used yen?
[2020-01-10 21:45:18] <Calibri_Bold> Cerastes: He is, he's just the bad kind.
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[2020-01-10 21:46:48] <TheBlueHour> I don't think my 5kcon article is gonna be done by the Fourteenth…
[2020-01-10 21:46:52] <Cerastes> Calibri_Bold: dont him and trump have like an 80 percent approval rating among conservatives?
[2020-01-10 21:46:59] <Cerastes> TheBlueHour: honestly, same here.
[2020-01-10 21:47:06] <LittleFieryOne> TheBlueHour, I think you'll have the week to post it, though.
[2020-01-10 21:47:11] <Jak> Cerastes: I'm confused about where you got that? I'm not denying conservatives who believe different. We all have conservative and liberal ideas. No one is "purely liberal" or "purely conservative." I'm just stating that the majority of conservatives could care less who you're married to
[2020-01-10 21:47:13] <Calibri_Bold> Cerastes: Man, I don't know. I'm not into politics or anything.
[2020-01-10 21:47:54] <JoeCapricorn> Are there any SCPs that can manifest portals to other planets in the Solar System?
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[2020-01-10 21:48:19] <Jak> Cerastes: Did you know that Trump has been the only president in history to openly support the de-criminalization and acceptance of LGBTQ+ worldwide?
[2020-01-10 21:49:01] <Cerastes> Jak: ah yes, obama was famously anti gay
[2020-01-10 21:49:02] <riyangendut> scp-261 Cerastes
[2020-01-10 21:49:03] <Secretary_Helen> riyangendut: SCP-261: Pan-Dimensional Vending (Rating: +785. Written 11 years ago By: Dr Gears) - http://scp-wiki.net/scp-261
[2020-01-10 21:49:05] <JoeCapricorn> Jake: while banning transgender people from the military and erasing any mention of LGBTQ people on certain government websites
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[2020-01-10 21:49:13] <JoeCapricorn> Jak: ^
[2020-01-10 21:49:21] <Cerastes> thanks ri
[2020-01-10 21:49:23] <JoeCapricorn> it late me no brain
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[2020-01-10 21:49:35] <Simartar> .l
[2020-01-10 21:49:37] <Secretary_Helen> Simartar: SCP-4741: The Skeleton Author (Written 2 hours ago By: SleepSpell) - http://scp-wiki.net/scp-4741
[2020-01-10 21:49:38] <Secretary_Helen> Simartar: Salt and Pepper (Extra Salty) (Written 1 day ago By: Tsercele) - http://scp-wiki.net/extra-salty
[2020-01-10 21:49:39] <Secretary_Helen> Simartar: SCP-4473: You Make Me Feel Like (Written 2 days ago By: Tanhony) - http://scp-wiki.net/scp-4473
[2020-01-10 21:50:05] <riyangendut> JoeCapricorn I think there are a couple, one is to the moon and one is to…jupiter orbit? I think?
[2020-01-10 21:50:17] <riyangendut> probably there are more
[2020-01-10 21:50:49] <Jak> JoeCapricorn: you're talking about less than 2% of the population in total. Then of that small percentage, the even smaller percentage who actually apply to the military? Also, Trump initiated that ban because there was sufficient enough evidence to prove that trans people (not all, but a lot) was abusing the military by having them pay for their surgeries
[2020-01-10 21:51:12] <RockTeethMothEyes> .au devon
[2020-01-10 21:51:12] <Secretary_Helen> RockTeethMothEyes: devonmartin - (http://www.scp-wiki.net/devons-den) has 7 pages. (5 SCP articles, 1 Tales, 0 GoI Formats, 0 others.) They have 282 net upvotes with an average of 40. Their latest page is Dr. Isabel Helga Anastasia Parvati Wondertainment, V is Displeased With Her Happy Meal at 41.
[2020-01-10 21:51:13] <Cerastes> Jak: you know the military spends more on viagra then transitional surgery?
[2020-01-10 21:51:26] <Cerastes> Jak: and he picked mike pence as a running mate, that says a lot
[2020-01-10 21:51:35] <JoeCapricorn> Why is the military spending so much on peepee pills?
[2020-01-10 21:51:40] <ihp> Cerastes: I mean, the military's a bunch of dicks. They have to keep standing upright somehow.
[2020-01-10 21:51:40] <sedition> lots of folks join the military for health insurance
[2020-01-10 21:51:45] <sedition> poverty is a great recruitment tool
[2020-01-10 21:51:48] <Cerastes> ihp: ayyyyy
[2020-01-10 21:51:48] <riyangendut> JoeCapricorn http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-120
[2020-01-10 21:51:49] <JoeCapricorn> ihp: LOL
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[2020-01-10 21:52:16] <Cerastes> Jak: also, how the fuck are they abusing it? You cant just sign up for surgery and promptly quit.
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[2020-01-10 21:52:32] <Dyslexion> they spend that much on viagra because bayonets were banned in the Geneva conventions
[2020-01-10 21:52:36] <sedition> sounds like it's just part of the benefits package for doing the job
[2020-01-10 21:53:27] <Jak> Cerastes: they'd have multiple surgeries for the entire transition. That included plastic surgery and hormonal treatments which costed thousands of dollars
[2020-01-10 21:53:40] <Calibri_Bold> It's too late to be having debates in this chat.
[2020-01-10 21:53:43] <Croquembouche> hey you know how we give benefits to people who join the military? let's ban people we expect to use those benefits
[2020-01-10 21:54:00] <Jak> Alright, let's calm down
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[2020-01-10 21:54:04] * ChanServ set +o Dora
[2020-01-10 21:54:06] <Jak> I apologize for sparking the flames
[2020-01-10 21:54:19] <Jak> Let's drop the conversation. It's making people upset
[2020-01-10 21:54:32] <Croquembouche> fair enough
[2020-01-10 21:55:02] <Calibri_Bold> Hi Dora!
[2020-01-10 21:55:03] <Cerastes> Jak: and whats so bad about them wanting transition if they're serving?
[2020-01-10 21:55:18] <Cerastes> i entirely disagree with the us military, but if they've enlisted they should get it
[2020-01-10 21:55:20] <Dora> maow
[2020-01-10 21:55:22] <Jak> Cerastes: let's talk about this another time.
[2020-01-10 21:55:25] <Calibri_Bold> Cerastes: I think we've decided to drop it.
Appeal, denied by Niles:
4:39:35 PM <Jak> Uh… I was just banned? Did i do something wrong?
4:39:59 PM <+stormfallen> Jak: you have been issued a week-long ban for a continuous pattern of negative behavior in political discussions
4:39:59 PM <+Gee0765> Corvus:
4:40:14 PM <@Corvus> There was actually a specific incident here
4:40:33 PM <@Corvus> That was somehow not brought up to us at the time but we believed it sufficiently grave to address retroactively
4:40:58 PM <Jak> I understand. I would like to make my appeal please
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4:41:48 PM <@Corvus> Specifically as follows
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4:42:04 PM <@Corvus> You should read it before you make your appeal as this ban is directly related to this specific incident
4:42:06 PM <@Corvus> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZiZbXcow/
4:42:15 PM <@Corvus> I will not be handling the appeal myself
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4:43:35 PM <Jak> I have read it.
4:44:13 PM <Jak> I would like to make my appeal, please
4:45:26 PM <@Corvus> You may begin at your leisure and an op will come in
4:46:16 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> hello i am here
4:47:01 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> i will handle your appeal jal
4:47:03 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> jak
4:47:10 PM <Jak> Since its come to my attention that this incident specifically has been the deciding factor, I will only speak of this incident and this alone. I am willing to discuss early discussions later if it is required
4:47:26 PM <Jak> Sorry AbsentmindedNihilist, I'll begin
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4:49:20 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> cool
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4:51:57 PM <Jak> First, I want to start this by stating that this conversation was not started by me. If I remember correctly, and from what I've read, the inciting action of this was from an earlier message that mentioned the military ban. Going off of that, I responded in a manner that I believe was just and fair. I cited facts as to the best of my ability and I made sure that absolutely no prejudice or emotion was placed behind them. The
4:51:58 PM <Jak> topic in general was a very touchy topic, so I was ready to stop the conversation in the event that it pushed too far or made people uncomfortable. Granted, I couldve ended the conversation was before this but that boat has sailed. […]
4:52:14 PM <Jak> (If that's too long let me know sorry, I'm still going)
4:52:37 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> okay so
4:52:42 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> let me get this straight
4:53:11 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> knowing, as you just said, of the ban implemented by trump of transgender folks from the military
4:53:37 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> you proceeded to conclude that the best response to this
4:53:47 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> was to claim "Did you know that Trump has been the only president in history to openly support the de-criminalization and acceptance of LGBTQ+ worldwide?"
4:54:05 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> these two statements contradict each other
4:54:19 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> therefore, one of two conclusions can be reached.
4:54:50 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> one, is that you are not possessed of the intelligence to not realize that those statements contradict each other.
4:55:08 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> i have seen you in irc enough times to know that this is not true
4:55:25 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> so that means the only conclusion remaining is my second:
4:55:34 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> that you were deliberately starting shit.
4:55:50 PM <Jak> None of those conclusions are accurate and I can explain why
4:55:57 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> jak please, explain
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4:57:11 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> also, i will add: it is not up to you to decide when a conversation will be stopped.
4:57:48 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> you may express discomfort with topic, you may even leave. you may NOT tell other users to stop a conversation that you, even if you did not "start" it, poured a ten-gallon drum of fuel onto.
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5:00:16 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> you are doing the equivalent behavior of an arsonist setting a building on fire, or perhaps throwing fuel on a small flame, calling the fire department on his own fire, and then running away when the fire department tries to explain how that is a terrible thing to do
5:00:57 PM <Jak> "Did you know that Trump has been the only president in history to openly […] worldwide?" Was in response towards a different topic altogether. The fact that the conversation laid in the matter that it did was simply because the topics coalesced with each other. The topics themselves do no contradict each other either. The first topic talked about "decriminalization of LGBTQ+ worldwide." The second focused specifically on the
5:00:58 PM <Jak> presence of transgender people within the military. As I recall, the ban was also extremely limited in how it qualified itself. Either way, for me to be "deliberately starting shit" would also have to include the fact that I started the argument to begin with - which I did not. In all honesty I believed that it was only fair if I had an equal chance at stating an opinion. (I'm not done yet but I just wanted to send this so you
5:00:59 PM <Jak> can see I havent left)
5:02:28 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> if you cannot see that acceptance + decriminalization of LGBTQ folks is directly opposed to banning them from the military, for ANY reason, then that leads me back to conclusion one.
5:03:55 PM <Jak> Going along from that, you are absolutely right that it's not up to me when a conversation ends. And I also agree that I shouldnt of tried to deliberately end the topic as I did. However, since the topic was so controversial, surely you understand that my only choices were that or fear escalation and a very plausible ban for offending or hurting someones feelings. It is not my intention to start shit or make anything feel hurt.
5:03:55 PM <Jak> However, I also believe that I should have an equal say in my opinion as well. (Not done)
5:04:34 PM <Jak> I also fail to see *exactly* what I'm being banned for. Yes you have sent me a snippet but *what* about that snippet am I being banned for? The topic? The fact that I tried to end it?
5:05:13 PM <Jak> I would like to ask for a final clarification so we can stay on the same page. I apologize for the massive blocks of text I just want to get this conversation and my ban correct
5:05:39 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> you are being banned for this exact behavior: aggravting/inflaming chat, facing the (rightfully) unhappy responses from members + chatstaff, and then trying to run away.
5:06:03 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> run away = end the convo
5:06:30 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Jak: also. call a goddamn chatop next time. it's why we're here.
5:06:36 PM <Jak> AbsentmindedNihilist: with all due respect I did not run away. I am still willing to discuss the topic. However, I was also seeing very apparent distress about the topic itself.
5:07:06 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> i'm going to, with the fairest of intentions, call bullshit.
5:07:19 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> you have shown me no evidence that you will not behave in a manner similar to this again.
5:07:32 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> ban upheld
5:07:57 PM <Jak> Okay. Thank you for listening
5:08:02 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> take the time to do two things: learn more about the specific transphobic narrative you're pushing, and why it's bad
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5:09:03 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> and also take a good hard look at your past conversations and understand the pattern of behavior that has gotten you here.
5:10:34 PM <%AbsentmindedNihilist> now i will have to ask you to leave
5:14:22 PM ← Jak (moc.duolccri.nevahenots.EC5E57FD-CRInys|865414diu#moc.duolccri.nevahenots.EC5E57FD-CRInys|865414diu) was kicked by %AbsentmindedNihilist: facts don't care about your feelings
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