Started with ignorant transphobia, escalated into asshole transphobia then outright ridiculous transphobia. Weeklong per op consensus.
12:57:35 PM <AgentMandela> is the conversation still on trans?
12:57:46 PM <War_> scp foundation says trans rights
12:57:48 PM <War_> yes
12:57:49 PM <Hexick> qntm: I think you've cracked the code
12:57:51 PM <LVDoomien> a lil bit if you have a problem with that I'm sorry to hear that
12:58:37 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: i'd advise you get used to conversations about gender + sexuality, they happen here with some regularity
12:58:41 PM <DrBleep> LVDoomien they are part of the problem, but I think its more centralized Christianity which is the biggest offender
12:59:08 PM <LVDoomien> Also in advance if anyone is a practicing christian/muslim I'm sorry to offend, it's not You I promise
12:59:09 PM <AgentMandela> I'm fifty fifty on the trans issue, On one hand i have no say and it is ultimately up to choice, but on the other hand i don't agree with it
12:59:11 PM <DrBleep> IE, catholic christianity was real bad for diversity when it came to anything outside the gender binary
12:59:47 PM <LVDoomien> well you're around a lot of people that do agree with it Mandela so we'll see how that goes
1:00:03 PM <%DrMagnus> There's no "agreeing" with it or not.
1:00:04 PM <AgentMandela> I guess we will XD
1:00:05 PM <DrJechtAlchest> Alright, Here
1:00:07 PM <DrJechtAlchest> http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/drjechtalchest-sboxofsand
1:00:11 PM <%DrMagnus> Trans people exist it's not a question.
1:00:16 PM <DrJechtAlchest> Behold 40 hours of struggle
1:00:17 PM <AgentMandela> I know that
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1:00:22 PM <LVDoomien> thank you Magnus
1:00:24 PM <War_> mfw im in a largely christian/catholic-centric country
1:00:24 PM <War_> can confirm they do NOT like trans people
1:00:24 PM <War_> source: am queer as fuck
1:00:25 PM <LVDoomien> great context
1:00:41 PM <DrJechtAlchest> DrMagnus: Thank you for your help
1:00:42 PM <LVDoomien> War can you cite your source in APA next time?
1:00:48 PM <War_> no never
1:00:51 PM <LVDoomien> okay
1:00:55 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> yeah and there's honestly no harm that comes from trans + nb people being allowed to exist
1:00:59 PM <%DrMagnus> DrJechtAlchest: its my jerb <3
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1:01:05 PM <%snowfallen> Chicago style citations
1:01:06 PM — BlackWing gives War_ a big fat F stamp on their forehead
1:01:08 PM <DrJechtAlchest> I was so lost but your directive narrowed it down so much
1:01:10 PM <War_> hello i exist
1:01:13 PM <LVDoomien> thanks Wing
1:01:14 PM <DrBleep> Hi I exist
1:01:27 PM <LVDoomien> hi I will die for all of you
1:01:28 PM <War_> we just want rights and to use the bathroom please and thanks
1:01:32 PM <AgentMandela> all i'm saying is, i respect the right to become a trans, just i personally don't agree with it. if that's a better way of saying it
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1:01:41 PM <DrJechtAlchest> Gregorikarpin:http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/drjechtalchest-sboxofsand for your viewing pleasure
1:01:54 PM <War_> 'a trans'
1:01:56 PM <War_> im
1:02:13 PM <AgentMandela> XD
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1:02:22 PM <CerandyCane> AgentMandela: 1, its not a choice.
1:02:22 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: "a trans" isn't really the phrasing
1:02:23 PM <LVDoomien> AgentMandela the current terming is just trans, that's like say 'hey look its a gay'
1:02:27 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> it's "a transgender person"
1:02:27 PM <%DrMagnus> That's the same thing as believing they don't exist.
1:02:35 PM <%DrMagnus> It's implying there's a choice.
1:02:40 PM <AgentMandela> XD
1:02:46 PM <AgentMandela> It is a choice
1:02:50 PM <LVDoomien> no it's not
1:02:51 PM <%SeasonsGee-tings> It's not a choice.
1:02:54 PM <War_> if you don't agree with it then you like. don't really respect the right to existence
1:02:56 PM <DrBleep> Fam, I totally wish it was
1:02:57 PM <War_> yknow
1:02:57 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: there are studies that show it's not
1:02:59 PM <DrBleep> But it ain't
1:02:59 PM <%SeasonsGee-tings> dysphoria is not a choice
1:03:00 PM <&Tuomey> AgentMandela: op order
1:03:01 PM <%TheMerryMcB> Why would people choose to be marginalized?
1:03:04 PM <&Tuomey> shut the fuck up
1:03:25 PM <War_> TheMerryMcB: exactly
1:03:35 PM <DrYUL3> The hell I walk into
1:03:37 PM <CerandyCane> Amyways
1:03:38 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> like why would anyone ever WANT to be a woman
1:03:42 PM <@AbsentmindedNaughtyList> it's not fun
1:03:44 PM <CerandyCane> Anyways*
1:03:48 PM <DrBleep> Friday Night lights DrYUL3
1:03:50 PM <War_> like ho i didn't decide i wanted to be shunned by my family but here we are
1:03:50 PM <LVDoomien> DrYUL3 you walked into trans rights amigo
1:03:51 PM <AgentMandela> really, ok. if you woke up one morning, and decided to cut off your dick. that is still a choice.
1:03:53 PM — DrJechtAlchest goes back to sweeping up BlackWing's shattered windows.
1:03:57 PM <CerandyCane> Oh boy
1:03:58 PM ← AgentMandela (~PI.C584D368.C6939091.85CF0707|criigc#PI.C584D368.C6939091.85CF0707|criigc) was kicked by @AbsentmindedNaughtyList: op ordered
EDIT: Pre-appeal chatter in 17, then the appeal itself. Denied by Niles.
1:13:39 PM <AgentMandela> I was banned from #site19, for stating my opinion on Transgender people. (It was negative) I'm kinda confused if this is a ban-able offense. Also prior to ban, i wasn't warned or told to stop. Sorry if this is a ban-able offense, and or, for wasting your time.
1:14:04 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: yes, it is a bannable offense, as it is classified as being a dick.
1:14:16 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> we have openly trans people in 19.
1:14:29 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> they deserve to have a space where their identities are not invalidated.
1:14:43 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> you also were told to stop
1:15:03 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> tuomey told you to stop talking about the topic, in somewhat rougher language
1:15:14 PM <AgentMandela> How? i wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Or invalidate anyone.
1:15:31 PM <AgentMandela> i was stating my opinion on the topic.
1:15:38 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: you were saying you don't agree with their "choice."
1:15:53 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> that is invalidating. it's literally the definition thereof.
1:16:03 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> now, are you going to appeal?
1:16:04 PM <AgentMandela> no, i said it was a choice…and i personally don't agree with it
1:16:15 PM <AgentMandela> as in opinion
1:16:16 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> yes, and it is not a choice.
1:16:27 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> this is widely accepted fact.
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1:17:54 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> now, are you going to appeal?
1:18:13 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> an appeal is where you explain why you should not be banned, or at least not for as long as you originally were.
1:18:34 PM <AgentMandela> Also if they didn't want people with opposing views, why have a discussing on Transgender people to begin with. also i don't recall being properly warned.
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1:19:30 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: people can discuss their gender identities without having people come in and being incredibly rude and ignorant about the topic
1:19:42 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> as for the warning?
1:19:43 PM <AgentMandela> I wasn't being rude
1:19:49 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> logs here https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9dwNVeue/
1:19:53 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: yes you were.
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1:20:11 PM <AgentMandela> If stating your opinion is rude…
1:20:18 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> i don't know how to explain to you that saying people's identities, which they cannot really change, are choices, is rude
1:20:22 PM <%ManyMeats> AgentMandela: do you understand that you don't get to decide how someone else feels?
1:20:35 PM <AgentMandela> yes, i understand that fact
1:20:42 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> AgentMandela: when your opinion is ignorant and invalidating? it can certainly be rude
1:20:56 PM <+SeasonsGee-tings> AgentMandela: apologies to all of you for interjecting, but whenever you were called out you dismissed it with an 'XD', which is undoubtedly rude.
1:20:56 PM <%ManyMeats> If someone tells you that you were rude, saying "no I wasnt" is the definition of ignorant
1:21:05 PM <@Tuomey> (Also, breaking an op order is against the rules regardless of opinions)
1:21:13 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> that too, tuomey
1:41:54 PM <AgentMandela> Ok, I starting by putting it on record that i wasn't trying to offend anyone, despite how it looked. Secondly, as for the warning about changing the subject, i was unaware of it. as for me, the chat was moving pretty fast, i don't know if it was the same for everyone. so i did not know i was facing a ban. another thing i want to put on record is that i was unaware that speaking of my opinion on transgenders was a taboo topic and was cons
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1:44:21 PM <AgentMandela> as in the rules, it only says rude and is unclear on transgenders or other similar topic, now that might be me just being a dumb ass (Mind my language) but in all honesty i was completely unaware that i was offended anyone
1:44:31 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> Well first of all
1:44:36 PM <@DrMagnus> If you say "transgenders" one more time, I am banning you.
1:44:46 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> You were pinged in the op order.
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1:46:29 PM <AgentMandela> to be fair, i was that after i was banned. as i was looking at what i was typing rather than the chat
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1:47:52 PM <AgentMandela> *Saw
1:48:04 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> And if you don’t have the emotional capacity to understand invalidating am identity is rude, you are not fit for this chat.
1:48:09 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> Ban upheld.
1:48:46 PM <AgentMandela> K, i guess i'll just wait a week
1:49:20 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> Now we don’t allow banned users to gmhang in 17
1:49:22 PM <@SantaCaws> And if you behave in such a bigoted manner in the future it shall be an immediate perma.
1:49:24 PM <@SantaCaws> Now get out
1:49:27 PM <%AbsentmindedNaughtyList> So please leave
1:50:00 PM <AgentMandela> Sorry, i will do better in the furture
1:50:09 PM ← AgentMandela (~PI.C584D368.C6939091.85CF0707|criigc#PI.C584D368.C6939091.85CF0707|criigc) was kicked by @SantaCaws: you were told to leave.