Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident - Reported by French Branch

Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident Report - Reported by French Branch

SoullessSingularity 05 Sep 2019 02:57

I have received an official complaint from the FR branch regarding an EN users' behavior, djkaktus and Woedenaz specifically as well as several others as screenshotted (It is late, but I will try to collect a full list of screenshotted users wikidot names…) The entire complaint is regarding behavior on the french discord and the fan-discord channel, SCP Declassified. The entire google doc can be found here (note that this is a copy of the original complaint except the screenshot links are instead embedded images) and the screenshots and logs have been downloaded for posterity should this page expire.

1- Specific users mainly on the french wiki downvote a lot of kaktus's works for having ACS formatting.

2- Kaktus comes to the french wiki's discord to make his concerns known in a manner the FR wiki deemed unacceptable for their community standards (thus the complaint), and also goes to the fan-discord to name and shame said french wiki users.

3- Woedenaz contacts at least one french wiki member in private about their downvotes. Several EN members are shown to be (alleged) mocking or insulting in SCP Declassified regarding the french wiki members in question.

Given that this is on the FR branch and the SCP Declassified fan discord, I am under the impression these are not within the juristiction of disciplinary matters (excepting harassment cases of which this is not explicitly reported as one, and thus not investigated as such). Both the FR branch and the SCPD discord may discipline as they deem fit to manage their own communities.

Regardless, I am entirely open to suggestions of possible actions. This post was entirely for posterity and to provide greater context of these users behaviors in the future and to respect our sister sites regarding their concerns of our membership and community.

(Edit to clarify: This is a general incident report and thus IMHO all members of staff may comment or advocate for actions as fits their judgements. Note a related discussion here is contextually related but will be discussed on itself.

(Edit: The following users with non-obvious names have been clarified thanks to Modulum's assistance:

moldy artist is pastarasta1 does not match any existing user name, cadaver industrial is CadaverCommander, spy flupjuck is Henzoid. Let me know if there are other unknown usernames there.

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Re: Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident - Reported by French Branch

pxdnbluesoul 05 Sep 2019 03:40

I've been asked by the two named users to pass along their statements as follows:

Woedenaz

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Well, I just looked through all the logs. I can and will only speak for myself. I do not believe I, personally, have done anything wrong. I did not bully Lekter. Frankly, I am unsure what he expected by going back and downvoting almost 50 articles. It is of my opinion that what he did should be considered and is malicious downvoting. Under any other circumstances, going back and mass downvoting someone's articles would be considered as such. I take issue with it being given a pass due to the fact that the downvote comes in retaliation against a format/system that this person does not like.

Also, looking through these logs, there is a single time I show any anger publicly at lekter's actions. That is when he near instantly downvoted 4485 within about a minute of me posting it. I was angry due to months of my life being spent on it and the guy couldn't even be bothered to try and read the whole thing. It didn't matter. It had this thing he seems to hate at the top so instant downvote. Of course I am going to be upset at that.

Additionally, him and others have been also instantly downvoting ANYTHING that has ACS on it. This has been giving a number of people pause as to whether or not they even want to use the system. This is, of course, within their right but I by no means have to be happy about this. And I can only imagine that his and others' actions for these instant downvotes is to discourage people from using it. In that respect, they are successfully doing so.

Frankly, I would have just let this go after asking him to stop instant downvoting. However, I wasn't aware of the degree of which he had maliciously downvoted past articles. SPECIFICALLY djkaktus articles. As I told Soulless, I believe it is important to note that. Lekter did not go back and downvote Cadaver's articles despite him adding ACS to all of his articles as well. He clearly targeted ACS and Kaktus purposefully.

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djkaktus

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I'd been on the French discord for a while prior to all this, and previously had a pretty good relationship with that community, I had assumed. When I woke up that day and saw what had happened, my first response was, admittedly, confusion. I didn't go to that channel to "name and shame", as it's described in the recent posting, just seeking clarification. I think most people who see that many downvotes in such a short period of time would probably have the and questions I did. It was discussed for a little while, with no vitriol or name-calling, and then it was dropped. I haven't been back to push the issue since then, and had no intention to. They made their position clear and I have no intention to push the issue with them.

They seemed to take issue with me mentioning that EN site staff might consider that malicious downvoting? It's made out like I was threatening someone with a ban, but it's pretty clear to everyone that I'm not capable of that, nor would I assume to be. What I was doing was noting something that had been said by magnus shortly before that conversation took place, which was that site staff might consider that malicious downvoting. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to mention. I didn't threaten anyone, just say "alright well you do you but"

Anyway, [t]he things said in scpd were just blowing off steam. It's a public channel and I know a lot of folks in there who were all of a similar opinion about all this. They can call it mocking and insulting all they want, but frankly if someone wants to go out of their way to find articles I've changed and, in the course of a few hours downvote every single one of them, then yes, I'm probably going to be frustrated about it. I didn't go and say it at them, I kept it to a neutral channel, and honestly if me saying "bless their hearts" is too much then goodness gracious.

I digress. The long and short of this is that yes, we had some interactions. No, I don't think they were out of line. I believe we've been more than civil given the circumstances, and I feel the same way about woedenaz' actions in the same vein. It was an unusual situation that I feel like we handled pretty well. I've since left that discord, feeling like I had nothing else to gain by being there. They were generally in agreement about lekter's actions and if that's how they want to conduct their business, then they're more than welcome to. Unfortunately, that's not the kind of community I'm interested in interacting with.

Oh wait one more thing. There's a mention at one point about a kaktus gang? I didn't know it existed but I kind of want it to now, so anyone wanting to join the kaktus gang grab your razer scooters and join the KaktusKontainer. www.kontainer.djkakt.us

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Re: Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident - Reported by French Branch

ChaoSera 05 Sep 2019 07:19

Ok, so to get the most important thing out of the way: None of this falls remotely under our purview. All of it happened off-site and, as Soulless already pointed out, since it's not a harrassment case there's nothing we could do even if we wanted to. The french wiki is free to take disciplinary action on their own site and/or discord against them but I am firmly of the opinion that none of this should result in any kind of disciplinary action on our site.

That being said, even if this did fall under our purview, no rules have been broken as far as I can see. Their behaviour could be considered, at worst, mildly petty, maybe a little rude. Which IMO is an understandable reaction after somebody goes on a downvote spree of your articles, regardless of the reason for doing so.

Re: Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident - Reported by French Branch

RJB_R 05 Sep 2019 12:57

Since this is an explicitly non-disc case moved to non-disc record keeping. This is the sort of drama that flairs up pretty regularly in Discord SCP servers. It’s a heated but entirely valid part of the conversation the overall community is having about new themes and formats.

I’m glad that the INT sites are being listened to and taken seriously. I don’t think this is the right way to log that discussion. We’ve got a disused grand crosslinking forum section, maybe we archive that and make one for Ambassadors and international affairs?

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Re: Complaint Of Member Behavior Incident - Reported by French Branch

SoullessSingularity 05 Sep 2019 21:14

I didn’t know where to put this report; only that it was issued to me. I am very down for making a separate forum for international affairs and other staff related issues with a broader-than-sure scope.

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