Feb 15 12:22:19 <DrJackson> Soulless
Feb 15 12:22:52 <Soulless> DrJackson: Yes?
Feb 15 12:22:59 <DrJackson> I want to have a little debate with you
Feb 15 12:23:28 <DrJackson> (which'll work as an appeal)
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Feb 15 12:24:22 <Bright> What is it you wish to debate, jackson?
Feb 15 12:24:31 <DrJackson> Oh, Bright
Feb 15 12:24:41 <DrJackson> Can you just quickly look at my app?
Feb 15 12:25:11 <Bright> It'll be gotten to when we have a moment to do so.
Feb 15 12:25:39 <DrJackson> What does that mean?
Feb 15 12:26:13 <Bright> It means, we'll get to it when we get to it.
Feb 15 12:26:17 <DrJackson> Okay
Feb 15 12:26:20 <Soulless> DrJackson: What is your appeal?
Feb 15 12:26:37 <DrJackson> When I said that oolong sounds like a name for a dick
Feb 15 12:26:44 <DrJackson> I wasn't making a dick joke
Feb 15 12:26:49 <Soulless> Ok
Feb 15 12:27:02 <DrJackson> I was just pointing OUT that it sorta screams the potential for a dick joke
Feb 15 12:27:04 <DrJackson> And also
Feb 15 12:27:33 <DrJackson> There's a difference between insulting the food of a country, and insulting a country
Feb 15 12:28:01 <DrJackson> In Wales they have a food called "Faggots", and it's obviously open to a lot of jokes
Feb 15 12:28:10 <DrJackson> But they don't get offended by it"
Feb 15 12:28:28 <DrJackson> Why? Because it's an attack on the FOODS of the nation, not the nation.
Feb 15 12:29:04 <DrJackson> However, if someone say "Weyls is gey! ther fewd is culled fergets!" then they will be offended
Feb 15 12:29:20 <DrJackson> And honestly, I think China's a cool place
Feb 15 12:29:42 <DrJackson> Sorry if I came of as racist there, it was more directed at the food, not the people
Feb 15 12:30:19 <DrJackson> And hey, they might take tea quite seriously there
Feb 15 12:30:39 <DrJackson> And think that insulting their tea is essentially insulting their nation
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Feb 15 12:30:54 <DrJackson> But I didn't mean to insult the whole nation or the people of China
Feb 15 12:31:07 <DrJackson> And, since I've lived in the UK most of my life
Feb 15 12:31:28 <Soulless> Let me know when you're done your appeal
Feb 15 12:31:37 <DrJackson> I really don't (or even can't) understand some parts of Chinese culture
Feb 15 12:31:58 <DrJackson> Since Western culture and Eastern culture are both extremely different
Feb 15 12:32:13 <DrJackson> And I grew up in, well.. Western culture
Feb 15 12:32:20 <DrJackson> I am done with my appeal for now
Feb 15 12:32:26 <Soulless> Ok
Feb 15 12:32:29 <DrJackson> Feel free to add any rebuttals in
Feb 15 12:32:36 <Soulless> Sure, here is my rebuttal
Feb 15 12:33:07 <Soulless> Upon review of your behavior with other operators,and those other operators reviewing my behavior, the operators have collectively agreed that your ban will stand
Feb 15 12:33:29 <Soulless> It will be 24 hours, and your next infraction will be a perma
Feb 15 12:34:05 <Soulless> While it is understandable that you didn't intend of offend anyone, your behavior has been repeatedly disrespectful and immature to your peers, as well as disruptive to the chat as a whole
Feb 15 12:34:18 <DrJackson> Soulless Sorry, but isn't 24 hours to perma a bit extreme?
Feb 15 12:35:11 <DrJackson> Soulless What other ops?
Feb 15 12:35:14 <Soulless> Upon further review of your appeal, the other ops have agreed that your next infraction will likely be a permanent ban, which of course can be appealed if/when you commit a next infraction
Feb 15 12:36:02 <DrJackson> Actually
Feb 15 12:36:13 <DrJackson> #neutralzone
Feb 15 12:36:18 <DrJackson> Look, I'd love to have a proper debate with you
Feb 15 12:36:23 <DrJackson> About culture
Feb 15 12:36:39 <Soulless> Assuming that you will not have any issues after the ban, there should be no problems, but the repeated disruption of chat is something we really don't want to have
Feb 15 12:36:56 <Soulless> I'm in neutralzone if you want to talk about other than op things
Feb 15 12:37:35 <Soulless> DrJackson: If you have an issuewith this ruling I can ask for the chat owner's opinion, thedeadlymoose, which they may overrule if they so wish
Feb 15 12:37:54 <Soulless> DrJackson: But I am already in #neutralzone if you wish to have a discussion about culture
Feb 15 12:38:06 <DrJackson> wait
Feb 15 12:38:08 <DrJackson> Fine
Feb 15 12:38:26 <DrJackson> that can work as a half-debate and half-second appeal attempt
Feb 15 12:38:31 <Soulless> No, I'm sorry
Feb 15 12:38:43 <Soulless> You cannot use #neutralzone to appeal your appeal
Feb 15 12:38:55 <DrJackson> OOOH
Feb 15 12:39:06 <Soulless> #neutralzone exists only to discuss topics
Feb 15 12:39:31 <Soulless> If you want to talk about culture, we can talk there, but I'm not going to discuss your ban
Feb 15 12:39:39 <DrJackson> Soulless I do not see where I was being racist and/or discrimonatory
Feb 15 12:39:58 <DrJackson> I only joined the chat once (if I can remember)
Feb 15 12:40:11 <DrJackson> Honestly, that thing about guns was more of an opinion being stated
Feb 15 12:40:15 <Soulless> You were repeatedly immature
Feb 15 12:40:32 <Soulless> You were also informed as such repeatedly in the chat
Feb 15 12:40:32 <DrJackson> Soulless How?
Feb 15 12:41:05 <DrJackson> Sorry, but I don't just follow things without examples
Feb 15 12:41:18 <DrJackson> I don't really have a sheep mentallity
Feb 15 12:41:36 <Soulless> Generally by repeatedly jumping on other users, making snarky comments during the discipline of other users, and the general justification of having a "vigilante" mindset to justify your behavior
Feb 15 12:42:16 <DrJackson> Soulless So are you saying justification is wrong?
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Feb 15 12:42:38 <Soulless> lol
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Feb 15 12:42:48 <DrJackson> the fuuck
Feb 15 12:42:53 <Soulless> Well
Feb 15 12:42:56 <Soulless> Allow me to explain
Feb 15 12:43:35 <DrJackson> Yes?…
Feb 15 12:44:12 <Soulless> Justification itself is not wrong, but generally justifying yourself as having a "Vigilante feel" is pretty much an edgy 13 year old remark when called out on constantly jumping on other users for no particular reason other than possible self-ego desirous of committing some form of justice of order when instead if causes disruptions in community from a guy y'know randomly jumping on other people
Feb 15 12:44:43 <DrJackson> Soulless No admin here
Feb 15 12:45:05 <DrJackson> But I'm pretty sure those people were (or were close to) breaking the rules
Feb 15 12:45:09 <DrJackson> And also
Feb 15 12:45:15 <Soulless> I'm a disciplinary moderator and also an operator in site19 with full powers to remove people if they are disruptive, which you were
Feb 15 12:45:33 <DrJackson> > and edgy 13 year old
Feb 15 12:45:36 <Bright> Don't need any Admins, when we have vigilant ops like Soulless.
Feb 15 12:46:02 <DrJackson> Actually, it's more of a sorta "Anonymous" orientated mindset
Feb 15 12:46:12 <TombGames> DrJackson: that's exactly what Soulless said
Feb 15 12:46:37 <DrJackson> TombGame Anonymous is NOT full of 13 year olds
Feb 15 12:46:48 <Soulless> My apologies, but we are not "Anonymous", nor do we approve of "Anonymous" mindsets when they are disruptive to the community, which you were
Feb 15 12:47:04 <TombGames> How would you know that? The members are, y'know, anonymous.
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Feb 15 12:47:14 <DrJackson> TombGames Nonononono
Feb 15 12:47:20 <DrJackson> Anonymous is not a group
Feb 15 12:47:24 <Soulless> While I greatly appreciate your input and notifying me if someone is being disruptive, by doing it repeatedly and publically you are also being disruptive, on top of your already existing immaturity issues
Feb 15 12:47:28 <DrJackson> It's an ideology
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Feb 15 12:48:20 <Soulless> For example when you jump to correct other people on needlessly pednantic issues like how emoticons function, and outright calling people pussies for… I'm honestly not sure, critique or something? Regardless, it was unncessary and disruptive to the discussion at hand at that time
Feb 15 12:48:59 <DrJackson> I wasn't trying to be disruptive
Feb 15 12:49:08 <DrJackson> Sorry If I came of as
Feb 15 12:49:09 <Soulless> I understand you were not trying to be
Feb 15 12:49:16 <DrJackson> disruptive
Feb 15 12:49:29 <DrJackson> Besides, there's always…
Feb 15 12:49:34 <Soulless> However, you were, and I would recommend reviewing your behavior to settle in with the chat
Feb 15 12:50:12 <DrJackson> #ethicscommittee
Feb 15 12:50:19 <DrJackson> #neutralzone
Feb 15 12:50:25 <DrJackson> #origins-ooc
Feb 15 12:50:32 <DrJackson> #farreconooc
Feb 15 12:50:46 <DrJackson> #wandererslibrary
Feb 15 12:50:55 <DrJackson> (howy shiet, there a TONS of sidechats)
Feb 15 12:51:14 <Soulless> I mean
Feb 15 12:51:18 <Soulless> You're free to go to them
Feb 15 12:51:21 <Soulless> However, I will note
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Feb 15 12:51:45 <Soulless> I am also admin of #ethicsommittee and if members are uncomfortable with your behavior I don't mind removing you for even /less/ than I would remove you from site19 for
Feb 15 12:52:20 <DrJackson> Soulless What would be less than a 24 hour ban
Feb 15 12:52:32 <Soulless> DrJackson: Allow me to reiterate
Feb 15 12:52:37 <DrJackson> And I also still think that 24 hour to perma is pretty goddamn extreme
Feb 15 12:52:47 <DrJackson> or as a meme face would put it..
Feb 15 12:53:00 <DrJackson> "Y u no 72 hour?"
Feb 15 12:53:11 <Soulless> DrJackson: Given that ethicscommittee is a chat for more sensitive subjects, I would permaban you in a heartbeat as opposed to giving you a 24 in site19, but that's besides the point
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Feb 15 12:54:21 <Soulless> DrJackson: The decision to upgrade to a perma on next infraction started because your behavior was very simple: we don't want to see it again, and if we have to punish you more than twice for it, that's enough, we don't wnat to see it a third time
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Feb 15 12:54:42 <DrJackson> Soulless Look, it was not inteded to be immature
Feb 15 12:54:52 <DrJackson> More of a RWJ mindset
Feb 15 12:55:05 <Soulless> My apologies, it does not matter what your intention was when it disrupts a greater chat
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Feb 15 12:56:52 <DrJackson> .seen Alexandra
Feb 15 12:56:52 <Alexandra> DrJackson: You need to get your eyes checked.
Feb 15 12:57:10 <DrJackson> .seen DrJackson
Feb 15 12:57:10 <Alexandra> DrJackson: Have you looked in a mirror lately?
Feb 15 12:57:47 <Soulless> DrJackson
Feb 15 12:57:59 <Soulless> Do you have any further concerns?
Feb 15 12:58:17 <Soulless> If not, then I will have to ask you to leave and take your 24 hour
Feb 15 12:58:25 <DrJackson> I think that's all I have
Feb 15 12:58:29 <Soulless> Ok
Feb 15 12:58:34 <DrJackson> But trust me, I will be back
Feb 15 12:58:35 <Soulless> I wil have to ask you to leave
Feb 15 12:58:40 <Soulless> That's fine
Feb 15 12:58:47 <DrJackson> #neutralzone
Feb 15 12:58:53 <DrJackson> k. joyn me der
Feb 15 12:58:53 <Soulless> DrJackson: See you in 24 hours
