21:50 Alpharius Anyone wanna cyber?
21:50 Tagliafierro Dude no
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21:50 Tagliafierro You don't cyber
21:50 ZeChair cyber ?
21:50 ZeChair what is does cyber mean ?
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21:50 Tagliafierro Better not kowing it
21:51 * Alpharius was kicked by Tuomey (not even slightly appropriate)
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21:51 Photosynthetic Alpharius, what the actual fuck.
21:51 ZeChair what is the naval on the human body?
21:51 Alpharius Can a guy not make a joke?
21:51 Dr_Leonard What?
21:51 Photosynthetic That is completely inappropriate. Stop it or get the fuck out.
21:51 Tuomey Alpharius: ok, fuck you buddy
21:51 Dr_Leonard What's cyber?
21:51 Alpharius Someone's about to get zlined.
21:51 Tuomey You don't get to do something inappropriate and then go "it was a joke"
21:51 Tuomey That's not how jokes work
21:51 Photosynthetic ^
21:52 tahugamin spikebrennan: Also, the iron you have in your blood isn't ferromagnetic anyway, so it wouldn't really have particularly different interactions anyway iirc
21:52 spikebrennan leonard: it's one-handed typing and enough said about that.
21:52 Tuomey Give up your career as a stand-up comedian
21:52 Alpharius It actually was, as it was directed at a single specific user.
21:52 Thekillerax What the hell are we talking about
21:52 ZeChair then why is obama in office ?
21:52 Dr_Leonard …Oh
21:52 Tuomey > Anyone wanna cyber?
21:52 Dr_Leonard Okay, I Googled it
21:52 Dr_Leonard …Yeah
21:52 Tuomey That's not directed at a specific user
21:52 Dr_Leonard Not at all appropriate
21:52 Photosynthetic Alpharius, you could fill a stadium with all the fucks I absolutely do not give.
21:52 Tuomey That's directed at the chat in general
21:52 tahugamin ZeChair: …What are you even?
21:52 ZeChair what does it mean ?
21:52 Tuomey And anything you say in a public space? You don't get to claim that it's ok because it's only for one person
21:52 Photosynthetic ZeChair, look it up on Urban Dictionary.
21:53 Photosynthetic I am not going to explain here.
21:53 spikebrennan tahugamin: so how exactly would a strong magnetic field kill a person?
21:53 tahugamin spikebrennan: At a guess, ripping complex molecules apart?
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21:53 Alpharius is actually married to another user in this IRC channel
21:53 tahugamin Like the ones in yer brain
21:53 tahugamin is not an expert in /any way/
21:53 Tuomey Alpharius: good for you, that's not even slightly relevant
21:53 tahugamin Note the "at a guess"
21:53 ZeChair what do you mean "what are you"
21:53 ZeChair what am i ?
21:53 Photosynthetic Still do not give a fuck, Alpharius. "Jokes" like that are not remotely appropriate in here.
21:54 Thekillerax ZeChair: asking why you said that
21:54 kaktus Guys
21:54 Thekillerax ZeChair: in regards to the "Why is Obama still in office" thing
21:54 Alpharius SCPs are srs buisness.
21:54 kaktus seriously
21:54 Photosynthetic You have been warned, and I am not in ANY mood to argue with you.
21:54 Photosynthetic Drop the subject.
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23:43 DreadLindwyrm "Welcome to the age of Aquarius!" "Or was that Aquaria??"
23:43 Metaphysician Aye. I have a chronic illness and have heard it all.
23:43 Metaphysician All the suggestions-_-
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23:43 Adelia Hahaha, I know that feel exactly
23:43 Tuomey I've had people suggest random shit for epilepsy
23:43 Tuomey Although I have to say, stoners are worse
23:43 Tuomey "Smoke weed, you'll be cured"
23:43 Alpharius I hear Pokemon is good for epilepsy
23:44 * Bouncl quit (Quit: have a nice day
23:44 Metaphysician Another very broad category and cannabis actually does have many benefits. Not a magical cure everything but, enough to warrant its application in many situations.
23:44 Tuomey I hear the vast majority of epileptics aren't photosensitive and, as such, that one Pokémon episode makes little difference.
23:44 Metaphysician Especially for those with chronic nausea and pain.
23:44 Alpharius I like my women like I like my pokemon. Trained and imprisoned in tiny balls.
23:44 Tuomey Metaphysician: oh, sure, but it's generally not just a doctor saying "lol smoke this"
23:45 Tuomey Alpharius: we don't want to know how you like your women
23:45 * Alpharius was kicked by weitoobusy (That's a joke in very, very poor taste)
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23:45 Alpharius All the good jokes are in very poor taste.
23:45 Adelia *facepalm*
23:45 Metaphysician Either way, far less harmful than alcohol. I dislike the hypocrisy.
23:45 DreadLindwyrm The problem wasn't so much the epilepsy as the migranes, combined with overstimulated kids.
23:45 weitoobusy I don't particularly care what your sense of humor is, but that was a shitty joke to make, mate
23:45 Metaphysician Or the many things illegal that have no known negative side effects or chance of addiction, such as DMT.
23:45 Metaphysician Damn it, I want to see the machine elves!
23:46 BlackWing Alpharius: There are very good jokes within taste. Yours was just shit in general
23:46 Tuomey BlackWing: ops have it
23:46 Metaphysician http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna#Machine_elves
23:46 Alpharius Would it have been better if I said I like my women like I like my scotch, twelve years old and mixed up with coke?
23:46 * AndarielHalo quit (Connection reset by peer)
23:46 BlackWing I know. Just wanted to say something
23:46 BlackWing :}
23:46 BlackWing :|
23:46 Metaphysician :<
23:46 * ImQ009 quit (Quit: Leaving)
23:46 * Alpharius was kicked by Tuomey (guesss)
23:47 BlackWing I'm just gonna go back to trying to find a copy of Skies of Arcadia that isn't over a hundred bucks
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23:47 DreadLindwyrm That's a hell of a way to treat even a poor quality scotch
23:47 weitoobusy Seriously, that's your last shot
23:47 Metaphysician That was a good game.
23:47 Alpharius What about, I like my women like I like my coffee, ground up and in the freezer?
23:47 Adelia Skies of Arcadia? That was fun.
23:47 Tuomey Alpharius: 24 hours
23:47 BlackWing And the Death Battle between Tiger Zord and Epyon
23:47 Metaphysician "You guys are nazis man! Nazis!"
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23:47 * Alpharius was kicked by weitoobusy (And there's your last shot. See you in 24 hours)
23:47 DreadLindwyrm Strike 3! You're out of here!
23:47 DreadLindwyrm Hey
23:47 - Tuomey has banned *!*@My.Name.Is.Alpharius
24 hour ban, adding to Alex with the removal date as the 7th but feel free to remove in 24 hours
EDIT:
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23:52 Metaphysician I played the originals.
23:52 clone Metaphysician: what the hell does that moustache have to do with toothbrushes
23:52 Not_Alpharius Hello new friends. How are you all?
23:52 TheRaven Brutal Doom is pretty rad
23:52 - Eskaway has banned *!*@E2C01866.68350385.9A748485.IP
23:52 Elaxter Hell yeah it is
23:52 TheRaven Way2ban Tuomey
23:52 Elaxter I want to see v20
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23:52 Metaphysician http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush_moustache
23:52 * Not_Alpharius was kicked by Eskaway (cute though; PM me if you want to appeal or rejoin in 17)
Anyone want to back an extended ban? How long for?
EDIT EDIT:
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23:56 Metaphysician It took me a bit to get into it but I was eventually hooked.
23:56 Elaxter I got bored in the first 10 slides.
23:57 Adelia I read many webcomics… but not that one.
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23:57 + ChanServ has given halfop to kaktus
23:57 Metaphysician http://www.mspaintadventures.com/
23:57 Definitely_not_Alpharius So, how's everyone doing today?
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23:57 - Tuomey has banned *!*@synIRC-676FAF84.vpnbook.com
23:57 Metaphysician Wow.
23:57 Eskobear FUCK
23:57 * Definitely_not_Alpharius was kicked by Tuomey (better than you)
Ok, fuck this guy, perma.
EDIT the third:
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00:05 Possibly_Alpharius Hydra Dominatus?
00:05 - Tuomey has banned *!*@E0825C21.8D36AFEB.5DA91E02.IP
00:05 * Possibly_Alpharius was kicked by Tuomey (Tuomey)
Extend it to a month at least.
EDIT: This is only because I feel that permabans should be reserved to the most vile users. This barely qualifies as "mildly annoying"
EDITTY EDIT: Given the additional joinings, I wouldn't mind a perma.
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00:09 So_not_Alpharius Sup doods.
00:09 Eskobear that's the one, darkex
00:09 DocCollins wait shit not 901. well, y'all know the one i mean
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00:09 AndarielHalo wut'd she ever do to you
00:09 So_not_Alpharius I mean, points for persistence, right?
00:10 Nusquam Eh, not really, no.
00:10 AndarielHalo just because causing chaos and pain gives her life meaning
00:10 DreadLindwyrm Eskobear: do you wanna deal with it?
00:10 Eskobear No point in talking to him, guys. It's being taken care of.
00:10 So_not_Alpharius sighs
00:10 So_not_Alpharius Go ahead.
00:10 Adelia AndarielHalo I think it is because you made Priss likeable.
00:10 Metaphysician [TITLE: South Park Gooble Gobble VIEWS: 18174 FAVES: 0 RATING: 4 RATERS: 57 UPLOADED: GhostKnight ] [TITLE: South Park Gooble Gobble VIEWS: 18174 FAVES: 0 RATING: 4 RATERS: 57 UPLOADED: GhostKnight ]
00:10 DreadLindwyrm sticks his fingers in his ears and starts humming.
00:10 Alexandra Metaphysician: South Park Gooble Gobble - length 20s - rated 4.79/5.0 (57) - 18 174 views - supermegakickass on 2012.08.18
00:11 Nusquam 914's the one you want, Doc.
00:11 - darkex has banned *!*@*.vpnbook.com
00:11 * So_not_Alpharius quit (User has been banned from synIRC (vpnbook is now banned from synIRC due to ban evasion.))
00:11 * Adelia quit (User has been banned from synIRC (vpnbook is now banned from synIRC due to ban evasion.))
IRCops took care of him… and unfortunately his wife too.
EDIT: Removed the actual IPs from Alex's ban page and got Pix to Alpharius to the list of words that are forbidden in nicks.
This is so extremely not at all shocking, considering that after Tuomey's post he kept bringing up cybering and butthurt mods not letting him innocently troll for cybering in 19. (Forgot to log that, my apologies.)
Just perma.
EDIT: Cross-posted with the above… ugh.
Logs of what went down in 17 near the conclusion of this.
#site17 logs:- Topic for #site17 set by Tuomey (Sun Sep 07 14:21:27 2014)
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<Alpharius> Alright mens.
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<Eskobear> Hi.
<Alpharius> You can leave all the other's banned, all the VPNs and stuff.
<Eskobear> You're here to appeal, one considers?
<Alpharius> However, I'd like to ask you to unban this particular set of IPs.
<Alpharius> Not on my behalf.
<Alpharius> I'll leave your chat alone.
<Alpharius> My wife uses the same internet connection and she's an active and participating community member.
<Eskobear> Yep.
<Eskobear> We're aware.
<Alpharius> So, you want to punish me, that's fine. I can take it.
<Alpharius> Just unban shit for her sake.
<kaktus> Pretty shitty thing to do, considering that.
<Eskobear> She's pretty well fucked.
<Alpharius> Don't punish her because I got bored.
<Eskobear> Because of you.
<Alpharius> You think that's bad, you should've seen when I forgot her birthday.
<Alpharius> Armageddon.
<Alpharius> But, such is life.
<Eskobear> This isn't the sort of thing /we/ can undo at this point. You fucked around and got the entire set k-lined by the IRC operators.
<Eskobear> Who knows how many people you just screwed over, actually.
<bluesoul> G-lined, actually, it's the entire SynIRC network
<Alpharius> Eh, to be honest, I'm geniunely surprised those VPNs, which are free VPNs weren't banned already.
<bluesoul> K-lines just affect the local node
<Alpharius> God knows they are across other channels.
<Eskobear> Yeah, it seems like it was a last-straw kind of thing.
<bluesoul> yeah Freenode does it out of habit
- You have been invited to #kaktuskontainer by weizhong (logik.ca.us.synirc.net)
<Eskobear> It really is a shame how one unabashed fuckstick can screw over a bunch of people who don't deserve it.
<Eskobear> Technology is a bitch that way.
<Alpharius> I'd go so far as to say it's a shame that a bunch of theoretical adults get so bent over meaningless bullshit, but that wouldn't really acomplish anything, would it?
<Eskobear> Not really.
<ProcyonLotor> You reap what you sow.
<ProcyonLotor> And, unfortunately, in this case, you've forced others to reap it as well.
<Eskobear> I'd go so far as to say it's a shame that people get to become theoretical adults without learning how to behave like such.
<Eskobear> Or how to take responsibilty for their actions in a meaningful way.
<Alpharius> I daresay that's what I'm attempting to do now.
<Alpharius> Like I said, I'll leave your chat alone, there's plenty of other places to amuse myself.
<ProcyonLotor> Day late, dollar short, unfortunately.
<Eskobear> Not terribly meaningful. "You can unban me now, I promise I'll completely defy the pattern of behavior I've just established in the last half-hour."
<Alpharius> Eh, I'll just leave the channels alone. I've got other places to lurk. I was just killing 15 or so minutes.
<Eskobear> Since there /is/ no meaningful way to ban you without banning /some/ other people.
<Alpharius> It's not for me, it's for the wife.
<ProcyonLotor> Or, you can explain to her why you got her banned.
<ProcyonLotor> As it is your fault.
<Eskobear> But there's no way to unban her and not you. Or at least unban her in a way that won't let you come back the next time you're bored.
<ProcyonLotor> If she comes to us, we'll see what we can do, if anything. Probably not anything.
<Alpharius> Oh, she knows why I was banned. She was bitching at me whilst I was being a peckerhead.
<Alpharius> (Happens frequently for some reason)
<Alpharius> Like I said, I'll leave you guys alone. Just unban this node so she can come play.
<Alpharius> If I come back, go ahead, do your worst.
<Eskobear> We literally cannot do that.
<Eskobear> You can go to #help and give this spiel to the IRCops who did the ban in the first place.
<Eskobear> They're the ones who can undo it.
<Alpharius> Bro, I admin for a chanboard's IRC, YOU can't, but the guy with the admin commands can.
<ProcyonLotor> They're… unlikely to be sympathetic, though.
<Eskobear> Right, that's what I mean.
<Eskobear> And if you're right, then they can override whatever we can do.
<Eskobear> So you won't need one of our admins.
<kaktus> But they're not real big on fucking around.
<Alpharius> And any IRCop worth his salt is already in this channel… somewhere.
<Eskobear> Nope. You were banned in 19; that's where they're lurking.
<Eskobear> You can just go to #help and ask for, y'know, help.
<Alpharius> That is what I'm doing at the moment.
<Eskobear> You're on your own device, right? Not one that Adelia uses?
<Alpharius> Yar.
<Eskobear> You could request an IP ban in our channels.
<Eskobear> It's been done before.
<Alpharius> So, they say it's a channel issue and a channel mod can unban the node.
<Alpharius> So, obviously someone is fuzzy with IRC commands.
<Alpharius> Which of you is a channel op in site19?
<Eskobear> Several of us.
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<Alpharius> Which IRC client do you use?
<Eskobear> I can't imagine anything we could do that they can't do.
<Alpharius> They said it's not their problem
- Alpharius shrugs.
<Eskobear> Sounds about right.
<Alpharius> Which means it's YOUR problem. Which means YOU can fix it. And you're chosing not to.
<Alpharius> If that's the case, just up and say it.
<Alpharius> I can live with that rather than being dicked around.
<Eskobear> In these channels? Sure are. We are choosing not to fix the problem.
<Eskobear> Because that's how much we don't want you in there.
<Eskobear> If Adelia comes back, tell her to get in touch with an avaliable op and we'll see what we can do.
<Eskobear> You, we don't want a goddamn thing to do with.
<Eskobear> If that's all, you can go now.
<Alpharius> What? I can't lurk in here either?
<Eskobear> Nope.
<kaktus> Not unless you have a question for the staff.
<Eskobear> We let you stay to make the appeal or whatever you call this, but that's it.
<ProcyonLotor> You've burned that bridge.
<Alpharius> Such mature and rational adults we all are here. Sure glad you guys are so understanding.
<Bouncl> truly the struggle is real
<Alpharius> Ah well, it was expected.
<Alpharius> Keep it real, mein iggas.
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Wow. He gets upset when we don't play along with his laughably transparent trolling and his misogynistic murder-jokes, but we're the ones not acting like adults? Yeah, dude, you keep telling yourself that.
Now that Adelia's back in, I think I can safely say that nothing of value has been lost.
It's a shame Adelia's husband ruined it for the both of them. Adelia was in my book a pretty ok person.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
We got her into 19, actually. She's fine.
Yeah, so… not completely ruined, at least until her husband ban evades for teh lulz. (Their VPN it's what's G-lined, not the IP she's presently using.)
If her husband miraculously doesn't ban evade, she'll be fine.
Ah, lovely.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
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<Alpharius> Good morning, doods.
<Alpharius> Anyone around for a potential appeal request?
<Eskobear> Technically, yes.
<Eskobear> On the most direct sense, you're better off waiting until you see thedeadlymoose on the chat roster, because I don't think anyone here's gonna go for it.
<Eskobear> And he's the owner, so he's the one who actually could countermand the rest of us.
<Alpharius> Theoretically, hypothetically, what if I were to come in under a different name?
<Alpharius> I'm aware that this particular handle is way banned
<Eskobear> But the same hostname? You'd be picked off.
<Eskobear> But you know that.
<Alpharius> Is it the hostname or the hostmask?
<Eskobear> I'll avoid listing the several ways that you're currently banned at the moment.
<Alpharius> A new, unregistered handle wouldn't have the hostmask
<Eskobear> Suffice it to say, it basically works like this: We don't want /you/ in the room. If you find a way to evade the ban and avoid being /rebanned/, great.
<Eskobear> If we find out that you're Alpharius at any time, you'll then be /rebanned/ for evasion.
<Alpharius> Eh, the trolling attempt was in poor form, admittedly, and I apologize for that.
<FlameShirt> And is against the network rules. If you were found, you'd be banned and blocked from the whole SynIRC network.
<Alpharius> Just looking for new and interesting people to talk to.
<Eskobear> If we get a reason to believe you're ban evading, we might ask the IRCops to intervene, see what they can do.
<Alpharius> Yeah, I'm aware.
<Alpharius> Eh, this is the first time I've joined the network since I departed… whenever ago
<Eskobear> Not that long ago.
<Alpharius> I haven't been keeping track.
<Eskobear> Maybe a week.
<Alpharius> I'm only vaguely aware of time in a general sense as it is.
<Eskobear> Permabans are usually appealable after a /year/.
<Eskobear> That's a different unit of time altogether.
<Alpharius> Like, are we talking dog years or hamster years?
<Alpharius> I'm unaware of the conversion rate for hamster years.
<Eskobear> Cool. Next time you see thedeadlymoose on, holler at him for an appeal. You can leave now.
<Alpharius> How am I supposed to see him on if I leave?
<Eskobear> Stop in somewhere else on the network and /whois for him.
<Eskobear> I dunno, you make it sound like you're on IRC all the time anyway. I figure you can figure it out.
<Bouncl> ask adelia
<Bouncl> ta daa
<Eskobear> Ah. Actually, don't.
<Alpharius> Jesus, 328 channels on this network.
<Eskobear> There's really no need for her to do your diplomacy for you.
<Eskobear> Wait till moose shows up, talk to him yourself. Till then, you can leave now.
<Eskobear> You're not serious about an appeal, we dont' want you back, this conversation has no purpose.
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<Eskobear> Thank you.
Maybe we're not done with him after all.
<Alpharius> Anyone around for a potential appeal request?
<Alpharius> Theoretically, hypothetically, what if I were to come in under a different name?
<Alpharius> I'm aware that this particular handle is way banned
I'm not entirely certain that this guy was intending to appeal to begin with.
Feel free to forward him to me if moose isn't around and I am.
Talked to the guy. He's pretty coherent. Plus Adelia gave me some background. They've discussed things.
Warning, long logs are long.
12:21 Alpharius Are you one of the ones I'm to appeal a ban to?
12:22 Zyn Effectively yes.
12:22 Zyn Thedeadlymoose is the chat owner and an administrator.
12:22 Zyn Sometimes I handle the cases when he's not around, though.
12:22 Alpharius Sleeping, eating, doing adult stuff, etc.
12:23 Zyn Are you in the wrong chat window?
12:23 Zyn I don't follow.
12:23 Alpharius When he's busy doing adult stuff, eating, sleeping, etc.
12:23 Alpharius Perhaps I should've prefaced that.
12:24 Alpharius Just an off-hand comment.
12:24 Alpharius In any event, I'd like to appeal the ban and I'm sure you've got a myriad of questions and accusations.
12:24 Zyn Ah, gotcha. Yeah, pretty much. More like when he's not around and I am.
12:25 Zyn I've got a few questions, pretty much empty on accusations though.
12:25 Zyn You've got the floor for now, though.
12:25 Zyn What are your thoughts?
12:25 Alpharius If you'd like to make up a few accusations, I'd be happy to play along.
12:25 Alpharius For entertainment's sake.
12:25 Alpharius My thoughts on what exactly? Why I should be unbanned?
12:25 Alpharius Or just in general?
12:26 Zyn I'll listen to whatever you feel is relevant to say.
12:26 Zyn That said, I'd appreciate it if you weren't "playing along" and just being forthright with me here.
12:26 Alpharius Well, let's see, where to begin…
12:27 Alpharius I am being forthright.
12:27 Zyn Then I will hold you to your word.
12:27 Alpharius Let's see, Why I should Be Unbanned, A Poem.
12:28 Alpharius (Not actually going to write a poem)
12:28 Alpharius Basically, it seems like a decent enough community, and I think I'd be able to offer my considerable talents.
12:29 Alpharius And I admit, my trolling was in rather poor form.
12:29 Alpharius I won't give you any excuses, but bored people do dumb things.
12:29 Alpharius Which also neatly addresses the ban evasion.
12:30 Alpharius This is starting to feel a bit like a job interview…
12:30 Zyn How often do you get bored?
12:31 Alpharius Depends on the day. I would say my boredom levels are probably consistent with an average, unbiased population sample.
12:31 Zyn Do you often do dumb things when you're bored?
12:32 Alpharius Technically, yes, but it's pretty much related to IRL pursuits. I once built a catapult out of a coffee box, a spoon, a pencil and some elstic bands.
12:33 Alpharius Once, while bored in the military, I hooked an MP3 player up to the loudspeaker system on a rifle range and had a rave with some fellow soldiers.
12:33 Alpharius But online, typically no.
12:33 Zyn Hey, better than a nail launcher. Friend of mine punched a hole in his garage door with a homemade one.
12:33 Alpharius It sounds like he did it exactly right.
12:33 Zyn That said, I'm sure you're aware of how this looks to staff.
12:34 Zyn Your presence on the chat currently doesn't offer a lot of observable positive contributions to weigh out the negative.
12:34 Alpharius Being an administrator for a Chan-style Imageboard IRC and a board moderator, I am well aware of how it looks.
12:37 Zyn I'm waiting for you to elaborate.
12:37 Alpharius However, that being said, of course there aren't a lot of observable positive contributions, I've only been in there two or three times, one of which was what we shall henceforth refer to as The Incident.
12:37 Alpharius Oh, just saying that I'm no stranger to idiots on an IRC channel.
12:37 Zyn Go on.
12:38 Alpharius About? My lack of contribution or idiocy on IRC channels?
12:39 Zyn Again, whatever you feel is relevant. I'm trying not to engage in leading here.
12:39 Alpharius Well, on my lack of contributions, it's obviously a by-product of time, or lack thereof.
12:40 Alpharius I'm a fairly educated person, and I'm good with spotting inconsistency in writings, or blatant mistakes in regard to certain scientific writings.
12:41 Alpharius Which, a good SCP ought to have. My personal favorite SCP (I have no idea which number it is) is the one about the box that allows you to alter universal constants.
12:41 Alpharius Pretty amusing stuff.
12:41 Zyn Indeed.
12:41 Zyn So why didn't you help out, if you seem qualified to do so?
12:41 Alpharius I have, on the scant handful of times I was in there before The Incident.
12:42 Alpharius However, on that day, as I said, I was bored and decided to amuse myself by trolling.
12:42 Alpharius Regretable, but what's done is done. Can't take back what I did, only acknowledge it and say that it won't happen again.
12:43 Zyn As far as I know, no one remembers when/if you helped out on the chat. I'll ask around and see if someone's going to vouch for you, but a lot of staff are concerned with your response to staff in general.
12:43 Alpharius May I speak freely and potentially disparagingly about some of your staff for a moment?
12:44 Zyn Of course.
12:44 Zyn Oh, I should ask now
12:44 Alpharius Ask what now?
12:44 Zyn Are you alright with this conversation being posted to the staff site?
12:44 Zyn If not, I will not share logs with anyone else.
12:44 Alpharius 05 Command?
12:45 Zyn Yeah. Standard protocol for appeals. If it comes down to a vote, then people should see what was said.
12:45 Zyn But if you'd prefer to speak freely, then I will keep the logs to myself.
12:45 Alpharius Everything else is up there, without anyone having asked if I was okay for it, why shouldn't this one be up there too?
12:45 Zyn This is a private conversation, and unlogged by any staff bot.
12:45 Alpharius Oh, I'm going to say some rather negative things about the staff, and I'm sure that if it comes down to a vote that it will be taken personally and held against me.
12:46 Alpharius shrugs.
12:46 Zyn Which is why I'm asking.
12:46 Alpharius Well, theoretically you could jsut edit this bit out.
12:46 Zyn If you'd rather that the details of this conversation not be released, I'm fine with just putting up a "I talked to the guy" note.
12:46 Zyn I could. But it's up to you.
12:47 Alpharius Well, when it's all said and done, you and I can hold hands and make the decision together.
12:47 Alpharius And be friends 4eva.
12:47 Alpharius Or something.
12:47 Alpharius Anyhow, you'll have to forgive my humor. It's an aquired tasted.
12:47 Alpharius taste*
12:47 Alpharius Typos are free of charge.
12:48 Zyn It'd be sad if they weren't.
12:48 Zyn Go ahead and vent.
12:49 Alpharius Well, the staff is rather dismissive and unprofessional, they also come across as teenagers on a bit of a power trip.
12:49 Alpharius Granted, I've got no idea how old they may actually be, but it's how they come off.
12:49 Alpharius I get it, I fucked up, there's no reason to be an asshole though.
12:49 Alpharius It all comes across as, "I'm on OP and better than you. Mwahahahahaha. Ban appeal, DENIED."
12:49 Alpharius The whole, "You can go now" thing in particular.
12:50 Alpharius Is that really neccessary?
12:50 Alpharius Anyhow, just my impression.
12:51 Zyn I'm looking through your chatlogs on O5.
12:52 Zyn Keep in mind that though you are justifiably more coherent than the average self-entitled underaged troll on the chat, staff has seen many individuals who have demonstrated the same behavior.
12:52 Zyn It's a bit too late to give benefit of the doubt once someone's launched their way to indefinite ban.
12:52 Zyn Of course, that's where I come in.
12:53 Alpharius Of course, I understand that.
12:53 Zyn Can you point out some specific lines where you feel staff was acting unprofessional?
12:53 Alpharius As an IRC admin myself, I get where you're coming from.
12:53 Zyn I'm willing to hear you out because I agree that staff is often impatient.
12:53 Alpharius Can you give me a link to the logs, I don't have anything bookmarked.
12:53 Zyn http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-1035194/alpharius
12:55 Zyn Actually, hmm. Something's occurred to me.
12:55 Alpharius Oh?
12:55 Zyn Did anyone ever take you aside and explain the first incident?
12:55 Zyn Regarding the "anyone wanna cyber" line.
12:55 Zyn I feel like that's where the problems start.
12:56 Alpharius I don't think so. And after my other line, about the liking women like I like my whatever, I was just booted.
12:56 Alpharius I, however, am not functionally retarded, and I don't exactly need someone to explain it to me that I was "messing up' as it were.
12:56 Alpharius I get this.
12:57 Zyn Not quite.
12:57 Alpharius Oh?
12:57 Zyn I'm kind of disappointed that no one explained this to you, but I guess it was assumed that you were a foregone cause.
12:57 Zyn We've had some serious issues regarding harassment on the chat.
12:58 Alpharius So I've heard.
12:58 Zyn Staff dealt with them quietly at those involved's request.
12:58 Alpharius I'm well aware that I'm already a bit of a pariah.
12:58 Zyn It's not all about you.
12:58 Alpharius And that no matter what happens, a few of the OPs are probably going to spend a great deal of time screwing with me.
12:58 Alpharius Oh, I know.
12:58 Zyn I'm fairly certain that the OPs would prefer not to interact with you at all.
12:59 Zyn I'd like to believe that you know better. But I've yet to see proof of it.
12:59 Zyn I spoke with Adelia earlier.
12:59 Alpharius Of course I know better. I deal with my fair share of trolls, however, I can respect a well-done troll.
13:00 Zyn I'm assuming you're not expecting staff to do the same because that troll happens to be you.
13:01 Alpharius To be honest, given the tone they take, I've got a very low expectation of the staff. Not because the troll happens to be me, just because that's the impression they give off with their dismissive attitude and some of the other things they've said.
13:01 Zyn Do you feel that trolls deserve to not be treated dismissively?
13:01 Alpharius Depends on the circumstances. There's no cut and paste option for every single contingency.
13:02 Alpharius You have to treat it on a case by case basis.
13:02 Zyn So what about you?
13:02 Zyn Keep in mind that the SCP staff knew nothing about you prior to your trolling spree.
13:02 Alpharius Oh, I'm well aware of that.
13:02 Zyn Why would they have any reason to assume that you were anything but a troll that had nothing to offer the community?
13:03 Alpharius However, that being said, I tried to make amends, I've even kept my word about about not attempting to ban evade, I appealed on behalf of my wife and said I wouldn't ban-evade and now I'm making an official-ish ban appeal.
13:03 Alpharius Were I still attempting to troll and screw around, I think I've already demonstrated my ability to ban evade.
13:03 Alpharius And I'm well aware of the ins and outs of IRC mechanics.
13:04 Zyn And that's why the majority of staff doesn't believe you when you make these statements.
13:04 Zyn You seem more intent on asserting your abilities than actually appealing.
13:04 Zyn We're aware that you can ban evade.
13:04 Alpharius Let's be honest, if I wanted to continue to screw around and be an ass, I could.
13:04 Alpharius But I'm not, I'm trying to make a legit appeal.
13:04 Alpharius Like I said, I have rather a lot I could bring to the table.
13:05 Alpharius If only I had a chair.
13:05 Zyn Then why do you keep pushing the fact that "If I wanted to, I could"
13:05 Zyn ?
13:05 Alpharius To highlight the fact that I'm not and I'm trying to do this the proper way as a show of sincerity.
13:05 Zyn The things that you say you could bring to the metaphorical table don't necessarily outweigh the potential loose cannon that is the chair you're bringing.
13:06 Zyn Using "look how well I can act like a decent member of chat even though I don't necessarily need to if I wanted" as reasoning makes people on edge.
13:06 Zyn I'm assuming that's not too hard to believe.
13:07 Alpharius Of course not. However, everyone is well aware of the trouble I've caused. And I'm telling you I won't, should you allow me back in.
13:07 Alpharius It's ultimately up to you guys, and I could talk at length about it, but seeing how this is the internet, you've got no choice but to take my word for it.
13:07 Alpharius I understand if you're unwilling.
13:07 Zyn So why should staff believe you, given your behavior thus far?
13:07 Zyn I'm willing to listen to most lost causes, provided I have the free time.
13:07 Alpharius Honestly, they shouldn't. However, that being said, it doesn't mean that I shouldn't be given a second chance.
13:08 Alpharius And it's rather easy to drop the ban hammer again.
13:08 Alpharius Looking at it from an economic standpoint, there's really nothing for you guys to lose and there's potential gain.
13:08 Zyn I don't see the gain.
13:09 Alpharius As I've said, I can bring a lot to the table. Not the least of which being my amazingly amazing English skills (IRL, I'm an English teacher).
13:09 Zyn Hmm.
13:09 Zyn Are you banned in 17?
13:09 Alpharius Not to mention my rather broad knowledge base regarding a vast variety of subjects.
13:10 Zyn Including how to ban evade, yes, I got that.
13:10 Zyn Let's see.
13:10 Alpharius I was actually referring to academic pursuits.
13:10 Zyn We could use someone with your skills giving advice.
13:10 Zyn I'm willing to play Devil's Advocate and see if you can walk the talk.
13:10 Zyn Are you currently banned in #site17?
13:10 Alpharius I've got a rather considerable amount of scientific knowledge and historical knowledge, both of which are very relevant to the subject matter in question.
13:11 Alpharius No.
13:11 Alpharius I'm allowed in 17
13:11 Alpharius And, seeing how this is the internet, I like cats.
13:11 Alpharius Which I'm sure is somehow relevant.
13:11 Zyn Well, then.
13:12 Zyn You're currently looking at an indefinite ban, if I'm reading O5 correctly.
13:12 Zyn Tell you what. Here's what I'm going to propose to staff
13:13 Zyn You stay in #site17 and review things.
13:13 Alpharius Lurking is something I do well.
13:13 Alpharius Oh.
13:13 Zyn Generally we don't let people permabanned in #site19 to lurk in 17.
13:13 Alpharius I guess I AM banned 17
13:13 Alpharius Just tried to join.
13:13 Alpharius I was in there… earlier today.
13:13 Zyn Yeah, thought so.
13:13 Zyn I'm aware.
13:14 Zyn You're effectively going to be placed on probation.
13:14 Zyn If you demonstrate that you're a worthwhile presence in 17, we'll let you in 19 after six months.
13:14 Alpharius This is one of the things I was talking about previously. Haven't done anything wrong in 17 and have used it as it was intended in attempting to appeal the ban…
13:14 Alpharius And having broken no rules there, I've been banned from that channel.
13:14 Zyn People don't want you in chat.
13:14 Zyn I'm sure you're familiar with why.
13:14 Alpharius Intimately familiar with why.
13:15 Zyn That's why I'm trying to work out a way for you to demonstrate that you actually have more than a cannon to bring to the table.
13:15 Alpharius canon*
13:15 Alpharius (That was funny and you know it)
13:15 Zyn (No.)
13:16 Zyn We do need more experienced reviewers in chat, though.
13:16 Alpharius (Stay away from tumblr then)
13:16 Alpharius Reviewing is what I do for a living.
13:16 Alpharius You should see the homework I have to deal with.
13:16 Alpharius It would make you weep.
13:17 Zyn I imagine, being an English teacher.
13:17 Alpharius Not just an English teacher…
13:17 Alpharius I'm an ESL teacher.
13:17 Alpharius So, it's more technical than a regular English class.
13:17 Alpharius Teaching it as a language, and not for literature or anything.
13:17 Zyn Then I'm interested to see how you deal with the ESL writers here.
13:18 Zyn Admittedly, some of them are very good writers.
13:18 Alpharius The things these kids say is absolutely mind boggling.
13:18 Alpharius Grammar and spelling correction is something I do very well.
13:18 Zyn Great. A lot of reviewers have trouble with keeping the patience up for that.
13:18 Zyn I think we can let you stay in site 17 for six months, and see what happens then.
13:19 Alpharius Ooooh…
13:19 Alpharius Does this mean I get to play rules lawyer?
13:19 Zyn Granted, if you do screw up again, that's likely indefinite permaban with no appeal.
13:19 Alpharius And direct people to OPs?
13:19 Alpharius And the FAQ?
13:19 Zyn I'd hope that you'd be more detail-oriented and at least explain the issues before shoving a guide in someone's face.
13:20 Alpharius That's why I said Rules Lawyer first.
13:20 Zyn I'd stick to just reviewing first.
13:21 Zyn No point jumping the gun when you've got nothing to catch you.
13:21 Alpharius I can do that.
13:22 Zyn Good. Now, are you alright with the entirety of these logs being posted to O5?
13:22 Zyn Granted, I will say now that I'd be up for vouching on your behalf, provided you don't screw up again from here on out.
13:22 Alpharius Why not? Though, god knows some of my comments on the operators are going to stir up some drama.
13:22 Zyn For Adelia's sake, I'd hope. She's happy that you're interested in SCP.
13:23 Alpharius I've actually been aware of the site for a while and I've browsed it in duller moments.
13:23 Zyn Drama happens, but I trust staff not to blow things out of proportion.
13:23 Zyn It's good that you have background, then.
13:23 Alpharius Time will tell.
13:23 Zyn I'll post logs now. It's time for me to eat.
13:24 Alpharius Alright.
13:24 Alpharius Been fun talking to you.
13:24 Alpharius You're far more reasonable than some of the others I've dealt with.
13:24 Zyn Thanks for the conversation, and you'll see on O5 when/if you can get into 17.
13:24 Alpharius Alright.
13:24 Alpharius I should bookmark my page on 05
13:27 Zyn If you like.
13:27 Zyn For the record, though, you will be expected to follow staff's requests.
13:27 Zyn If you feel that any ops are being unprofessional or unreasonable, take it up the chain and talk to me.
13:27 Alpharius Is that not standard operating procedure as it is?
13:27 Alpharius I can do that.
13:28 Zyn It's standard, but most of the staff aren't entirely sure you've grasped that, given your ban-evade spree.
13:29 Alpharius As long as the staff's requests aren't unreasonable and are conducted in a manner according to site/IRC guidelines, it's all gravy.
13:32 Zyn Since you've repeatedly asserted that you understand what it's like to be in that position of authority, I will assume that I won't be receiving a PM that says STAFF MEMBER TOLD ME THAT I WAS REVIEWING SOMETHING WRONG THAT WAS MEAN.
13:33 Alpharius No, you won't. Unless they decide to get personal.
13:33 Alpharius You may get a PM for the sake of conversation though.
13:33 Zyn That's fine with me.
13:33 Alpharius And we'll be best bros 4lyfe.
13:34 Zyn I might supervise one of your review sessions.
13:34 Zyn To make sure you don't call a newbie a poopyhead for not capitalizing properly, all that jazz.
Edit: Given the recent response in chat and PMs, I'm no longer inclined to support unbanning before a year. We can hear an appeal then.
It's been barely a week. I mean, that's barely past manster levels of self-restraint.
Here is my counter-suggestion: Let's see if he can restrain himself a whole month. At that point, I'm willing to accept an appeal.
Though as a warning, I'm not going to override the rest of ops if they just don't want to deal with this shit again. (So let other ops weigh in first.)
EDIT: Also, he's not in any way banned from the site. If he wants to review things, why doesn't he… well, practice on the site?
I've also read the text. Jesus there's a lot of red flags in there. Notably:
As long as the staff's requests aren't unreasonable and are conducted in a manner according to site/IRC guidelines, it's all gravy.
Actually, no. If staff gives requests he thinks are unreasonable, then he still has to comply; he can then make a complaint and will get an apology if he's right, and … jackshit if he's wrong. And he doesn't get to decide that. That's not how this works.
Well, the staff is rather dismissive and unprofessional, they also come across as teenagers on a bit of a power trip.
On the one hand, some of us are teenagers on a bit of a power trip.
On the other hand, we have no requirement to not be dismissive and unprofessional of the sort of behavior he presented us with.
Additionally, that's quite a lot of concern trolling right there. If he breaks a rule, and an op is dismissive of him (or treats him badly) because of that, it doesn't negate his rule-breaking. That's a fairly childish point of view, and not one we're obligated to deal with (I admit I've been tempted, but only when a user is treated egregiously badly — see:manster — and Alpharius just was not; he just has a fragile ego).
Essentially a lot of what he says reflects the POV of "everyone on the internet is effectively 14 and subject to 14 year old logic, even with adult phrasing" which is cool on the chans, but it's also why our community left the chans in the first place. We'd like to at least be upper-high-school level here.
All that confirms my initial thought: let's see if he can restrain himself for a full month, and post acceptably on the wiki forums.
As a side note, I don't see why we should let him into 17 first. I mean, that's the help channel. I'd rather wait another three weeks and just let him back into 19.
It all comes across as, "I'm on OP and better than you. Mwahahahahaha. Ban appeal, DENIED."
no matter what happens, a few of the OPs are probably going to spend a great deal of time screwing with me.
To be honest, given the tone they take, I've got a very low expectation of the staff. Not because the troll happens to be me, just because that's the impression they give off with their dismissive attitude and some of the other things they've said.
Well this guy seems real cognisant of what he did wrong and extremely apologetic.
Being an administrator for a Chan-style Imageboard IRC and a board moderator, I am well aware of how it looks.
Y'know, this bit and the previous three lines I quoted don't add up. An IRC administrator would know about being dismissive towards trolls - "Don't feed the trolls" is a pretty basic thing, really, and he's not denying that he acted as a troll.
Zyn I think we can let you stay in site 17 for six months, and see what happens then.
Alpharius Ooooh…
Alpharius Does this mean I get to play rules lawyer?
This does not fill me with confidence in his ability to be a productive member. Quite the opposite.
I'm not sure why we're accepting an appeal before a year, as would be standard for a permaban.
However, if you think a month is best, that's the absolute soonest that I, personally, would be willing to deal with him again.
EDIT: The intended implication of my last line being "preferably never"
An IRC administrator would know about being dismissive towards trolls
Well, not necessarily if it's a chan-style IRC.
Otherwise, yes and/or we'll see.
EDIT: for clarity — "I'm not sure why we're accepting an appeal before a year, as would be standard for a permaban." — because we actually don't really have an official standard for this; the unofficial standard came by via unofficial agreement. And this is only a consideration.
I don't think his behavior warrants unbanning at all. He claims to have no excuse and understand his behavior was trolling, to which he also claims cognizance that the punishment for it is a removal from chat, but then goes and passively aggressively plays a blame-game of "well I think they treated me lower than I should be treated". Furthermore, he continues to go on and put himself at a higher pedestal than necessary. "I'm an admin somewhere else so I know you should listen to me". If he is an admin, he should know very well how intensely useless bringing that up is to staff on a completely different site with a different set of rules and expectations of behavior.
For these reasons, I don't believe he is actually cognizant of his behavior as he claims to be. He can appeal in a month if you really wish that, but I believe he could also just be banned and allowed an appeal in a year like everyone else. He can review on the forums if he likes. Lord knows we could always use an extra pair of eyes on the site all the time.
I may be paranoid, but he seems to me far more interested in undermining the staff decision to remove him for his trolling than he is of taking responsibility and accepting the punishment of his behavior. I don't believe that kind of behavior should ever be rewarded.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
I don't know if I understand why we're discussing this at all. He broke chat rules, acted creepy, ban-evaded, and then was shitty towards chatops in 17. Is this not grounds by itself for a perma?
And let's not forget, he's already appealed before this. An appeal that consisted of taking absolutely zero responsibility for his actions (a trend that, unsurprisingly, does not seem to have changed) and ended with a racial slur.
Frankly, I don't think any amount of editing skill is worth letting him back before a year (if we must do so at all).
If he's really turning over a new leaf/acting more mature, he should be allowed to prove it. On the site.
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