Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem Posts in the discussion thread "Might be a problem" Sat, 07 Mar 2026 21:00:22 +0000 http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1630367 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1630367 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:50:12 +0000 Drewbear 301632 I haven't been seeing any problems personally or in "Recent Posts" for the last 3 hours or so. Maybe this time really was just a hiccup.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1629961 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1629961 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 04:20:03 +0000 thedeadlymoose 732274 Been a little while, but wikidot went down shortly a little while ago and then re-posted something I'd posted ten minutes before. Waiting to hear if anyone else had similar problems. (It went down for everyone, dunno if it double posted for others.)

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1485125 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1485125 Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:52:24 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Essentially, a Project Manager develops/has someone develop a schedule for the project, including deadlines for certain milestones; assigns project tasks to people; make sure that the task assignees have what they need to complete their tasks; get and compile status updates from assignees; and get on people's case if it looks like they may miss a deadline. You don't have to have the technical expertise to perform any of the tasks in the project, but you should at least have a basic understanding of what's happening and what needs to happen— schedules and task lists generally come from/are built around input from the people who will do the tasks.

In a nutshell, a PM is a Taskmaster, and you get to holler at people when they miss deadlines. PM authority would be separate from wiki administration and would be limited to the wiki migration project. (Caveat: I've never been a PM myself (though I've worked on a bunch of projects as an assignee), so there may be addtional behind-the-scenes responsibilities I don't know about, but this should cover the general responsibilities of a PM.)

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1484995 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1484995 Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:13:24 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 Quikngruvn, what would being Project Manager entail? What responsibilities and what authority? Following a conversation about things in Area14, I'm willing to accept it, provided the above are clarified.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1467741 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1467741 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:06:33 +0000 Communism will win 617958 I FEEX

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1466749 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1466749 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:43:48 +0000 spikebrennan 908688 My comments, on SCP-1539. Would one of you admins be a doll and go delete them?

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1466216 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1466216 Thu, 31 May 2012 19:39:01 +0000 Dexanote 481882 May 31, triple post by Roget in the 682/Tarasque story. ~712 GMT -4

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1464865 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1464865 Wed, 30 May 2012 19:12:10 +0000 murphy_slaw 1319317 Aaand, nearly every issue they claim to have fixed is still occurring.

Bland and I posted to the issue page and they've marked it as re-opened.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1463295 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1463295 Tue, 29 May 2012 17:50:51 +0000 Photosynthetic 361873 Agreed.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1462967 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1462967 Tue, 29 May 2012 07:58:23 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 I think we should continue full speed ahead with the migration plan. We've got a decent amount of momentum behind it at this point, have a good idea of what we need to do and how we need to do it, and it will be necessary eventually. It doesn't make sense to procrastinate with something this important.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1462823 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1462823 Tue, 29 May 2012 02:35:41 +0000 murphy_slaw 1319317 Wikidot claims they've fixed the performance problems.

Bare minimum, this buys us some time.

I don't know if this changes anyone's opinion about the site migration plan. (It doesn't for me, but I am probably not the most unbiased observer.)

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1460478 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1460478 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:29:44 +0000 Pig_catapult 233556 Ditto.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1460326 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1460326 Fri, 25 May 2012 18:04:37 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 That's reassuring. Mack explained this as well. Not concerned now that I understand how it would actually work.

I'm not sure we want someone managing something as huge as migration who doesn't have any background or considerable knowledge pertaining to what it entails. I don't think I should be at the helm.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1460055 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1460055 Fri, 25 May 2012 16:08:28 +0000 Photosynthetic 361873 Likewise.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1459918 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1459918 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:58:49 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Nus, I appreciate your concerns, but I can guarantee, in my professional opinion as a sysadmin, that it is totally possible, and indeed commonplace, for developers to develop code without being handed the keys to the kingdom— which no one is actually suggesting (hell, Mackenzie said herself it would be a bad idea). Ideally, developers would have write access (more permission than standard) over a test and/or development area on the site, but code could only be implemented on the production site by a sysadmin with root access (that is, me and whichever individuals we trust with that much power). There are plenty of ways we can build in accountability and checks and balances into whatever processes we develop.

Also, Nus… would you be interested in being Project Manager for the migration?

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1459772 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1459772 Fri, 25 May 2012 12:32:59 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Issue posted. It looked like the best place to put it that I could find.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1459713 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1459713 Fri, 25 May 2012 10:26:12 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 Reading the log, I don't think I was clear about my greatest concern with Mack having high-level access. I don't mean to keep harping on the point, but I also don't want there to be any misunderstanding.

My major worry isn't that we would potentially get maliciously fucked over, or necessarily fucked over at all. Mack is better than that, I'd like to think, and she has invested a hell of a lot of effort in the site. My worry is, in light of several past comments and actions1, the use of high-level site access to implement policy, format, or other changes without due review and Staff consensus before they're done. In a nutshell, I don't trust her with that much power, and fear overreach that, push comes to shove, we can't actually push back against.

I'm afraid of seeing unilateral action taken on something and getting a justification of, "Well, it's my site, so… :3".

I cannot completely discount this possibility, and that is immensely worrying. Because of this, even though it's her code, I'm not comfortable with hosting it on a domain she controls and giving her the highest level access to it once it's complete and goes live. I very strongly feel we need our Staff Admins, or at least a Staff Admin, to be in a position to actually overrule and revert on this kind of thing. The alternative is essentially pissing and moaning impotently with our contingency being another site migration from near zero, and the only proposed insurance against this in the first place (that I've seen suggested so far) being having Staff Admins at equal-level access as her which would theoretically be vulnerable to subversion, forcing us to just hope she feels like playing nice.

I'm tired as fuck and kind of jacked up at the moment, so I hope the above is actually clear and didn't intend for the post to be this long.

tl;dr Past overreach and attitude seeming to suggest it could happen again with fuck all we could do about it, suggest we host her code on a domain she doesn't control (with her permission, I'm not advocating swiping this shit) and giving her necessary access for maintenance and refining, but NOT highest level, so she can't act as Word of God if she decides to do so. Needs to be actual accountability beyond trust, as I personally don't trust her enough to put this kind of thing entirely in her hands.

Footnotes
]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1459552 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1459552 Fri, 25 May 2012 04:46:01 +0000 AdminBright 224440 Just let me know what I can do to help.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1459529 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1459529 Fri, 25 May 2012 04:11:46 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Earlier this afternoon, after yet another hiccup by Wikidot, a group of staff and concerned users invited Mackenzie into that other channel to discuss options for migrating off of Wikidot, possibly using the code she's been developing on her own. The upshot is that our most viable option for migration may be to use software that Mackenzie develops on either a dedicated server or a colocated server. Mackenzie is going to work on the code she already has, while murphy_slaw and I (and whoever else wants to help) will check options for a dedicated server.

However: the hosting solution we already have with Dreamhost does not appear to be adequate for our current needs, let alone for future growth. Getting a dedicated server may be an order of magnitude more expensive than the current Dreamhost plan, depending on what we end up needing and what kind of deals we can wrangle— though Ways and Means really deserve their own thread. For now, though, nothing has been officially decided. We are simply exploring another option for migration that looks viable.

The log of this discussion is in the collapsible below. Fair warning: the log is very long, even after some tangent conversations were removed, but very informative.

Show the entire conversation.

[Added:] And now I'm about to crash before I can finish my post to Wikidot. Dammit. It'll last a few more hours at least, right?

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1458128 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1458128 Thu, 24 May 2012 05:32:28 +0000 Dexanote 481882 Recently got this PM from Bland;

Couple of things:

The first is that WikiDot will most likely want to know who sent the multiple messages, and what thread they were in.

The second is that WikiDot (not the SCP wiki, mind you) wouldn't let me get to the "Send Private Message" thing for the last five minutes. Just got in. We might have less time then we think.

Finally, I've set up an address just for SCP stuff (moc.liamg|yteicos.pcs#moc.liamg|yteicos.pcs) and have a google voice mail (802-SCP-0173) if you want to say "If we crash, instructions can be found there" sort of thing. But I imagine that if whoever owns www.scp-wiki.net just points it whereever we want to land (and push everyone to use THAT instead of scp-wiki.wikidot.com) we should actually be pretty good.

My two cents as a concerned user.

I'm leaning towards taking advantage of these.

EDIT: And… uh. This post took about 5 minutes to go through.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1457276 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1457276 Wed, 23 May 2012 13:32:41 +0000 Eskobar 1173523 I see between three and six a day, usually too many to actually mention. And that's with me being on only a couple of hours a day lately. Yesterday, it double-posted me when I know for a fact that I only hit the button once, since I know not to hit it repeatedly when it's lagging. So it really is a flaw or series of flaws in Wikidot programming.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1457215 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1457215 Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:18 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 Good stuff. If there's anything I can do to help get it completely functional, which I doubt due to lack of knowledge about this sort of thing, I'll gladly help as I'm able. I'm not too concerned about it looking pretty, at least at the moment, just configured into a usable state.

I'm told there's a way to message all members of a site simultaneously. Once we get this forum good to go, I think we should do that, stick up a notice on the front page, and make a note in 19's topic so everyone knows where to go.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1457193 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1457193 Wed, 23 May 2012 11:14:56 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Ask and ye shall receive, Nus: http://www.scp-foundation.com/site44/index.php

I set this up last night, with an initial pass through the configuration settings, but it still needs some configurating to become reasonably functional, let alone pretty. The site should be able to handle the load (that's why we picked this host, right? 'Cos it can handle the traffic?) and space for uploads and attachments shouldn't be an issue.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1457022 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1457022 Wed, 23 May 2012 04:48:39 +0000 AdminBright 224440 So, I'm not so good with the coding side of things, I'll just say I support any moves, and do whatever i can to help. Apparently aelanna has something fun in the works?

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1456967 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1456967 Wed, 23 May 2012 03:39:25 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 I'm thinking we need to talk to Wikidot and get the backup forums up ASAP. I don't see anything to be gained by waiting. Preferably the backup forums would be hosted on the future replacement site, and I'd like to see them running within a week. Is this doable? I'm afraid if we talk about it and don't set hard goals it'll just stay talk and fall by the wayside.

Ideally, this stopgap also needs to be capable of handling the load we're already getting. It'd be all kinds of hilarious and awful if our stopgap bit it because it couldn't take the strain.

]]> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1456937 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1456937 Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:34 +0000 Dexanote 481882
  • May 22, ~11:10 PM EST.
    • ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455819 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455819 Tue, 22 May 2012 02:11:47 +0000 Communism will win 617958 I've seen a few multiple post incidents, but it didn't occur to me to record them before deleting the duplicate posts. I'll add whatever I find to this post.

    Times are US Central Time because I fucking suck at time zones:

    • 22 May at 0900
    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455816 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455816 Tue, 22 May 2012 02:02:34 +0000 Dr Gears 172464 If we could keep it on the site we already have in the works, that would be great. If you get something together that's more or less sane, we could post a "emergency lifeboat" notice on what to do if the wiki bombs for some reason. Hopefully won't be an issue, but it might help keep folks calm…or make it worse, depending.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455778 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455778 Tue, 22 May 2012 01:39:42 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 We do already have an external website available (it currently just has an empty wiki and forum on it) that we could use Just In Case. Heck, I think I can set up a forum in a directory that shouldn't be affected by whatever testing and designing we do.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455773 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455773 Tue, 22 May 2012 01:37:21 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Not as of yet, because I'd like to be able to provide more detailed information about what's happened. I tracked down some of the double-posting incidents (and recorded when they happened), but all I know about the edit-locks and the database crashing is what Nus put up there. If anyone knows what happened and when, I'll add it to what I've got for double-posting and compile it into something for… bug feedback? (I know it's not a bug, but I haven't found a more appropriate venue yet.)

    So far I have found double-posting incidents from around these times (all EDT):

    • 14 May around 17:00, and again around 21:00
    • 16 May around 12:00
    • 19 May from about 07:30 to about 09:30

    There may be more— I'll look some more in a bit.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455561 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455561 Mon, 21 May 2012 22:39:30 +0000 Pig_catapult 233556 I could toss a Zetaboards up for us pretty easily. Should I do that now? It probably won't be the prettiest thing in the world, but it'll do its job (making skins for zetaboards forums is a pain in the ass).

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455508 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455508 Mon, 21 May 2012 21:43:47 +0000 DrEverettMann 323946 Has anyone contacted Wikidot about the problem yet?

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455277 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455277 Mon, 21 May 2012 17:45:04 +0000 Eskobar 1173523 Seconding any or all components of this. We might set up a stopgap secondary forums system on another site now, with no intention of using it permanently but just as a place the community can go temporarily in case everything goes pear-shaped. We don't even have to disclose the location of it; just put out (like Photo said) an announcement on the forums saying "if you come here one day and there's nothing here anymore, go to #site19 for further instructions" where they would then be redirected to the new forums location. That would give the community somewhere to congregate while the rest of us, I suppose, build a completely new site for permanent residency.

    We might consider just having a channel on synIRC for such an emergency, one without +R set up for ease of access just to convey the information of where the new forums are and what the situation is, #scpmeltdown or something similar. Additionally, we might compile a list of other websites that discuss or refer people to us- -places like SA, TvTropes, the CB forums, etc.- -where we can publish a short document saying "our website went full Chernobyl, but you can come here for right now."

    All in all, I really hope none of this proves necessary.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455263 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455263 Mon, 21 May 2012 17:35:03 +0000 Photosynthetic 361873 If we want to be absolutely sure that we'll keep the community together, I think one of the best things we can do is make an announcement right now on the forums. Tell people that we've been having issues, there's nothing to worry about, but that if the worst should happen and we lose the Wikidot, to meet up on #site19 for instructions on where to go.

    If nothing else, that way we'll be sure that everyone knows where to meet up should we be scattered — and I don't really see SynIRC crashing on us. (It might be a good idea to register an alternate #site19 on a different server, though, just in case…)

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1455021 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1455021 Mon, 21 May 2012 12:17:24 +0000 Dr Gears 172464 I second this as well. While i personally haven't bumped in to anything odd yet, i can understand the concern. I've tried to reach out to the WikiDot staff, but they've often been slow to respond, so…we'll see what they have to say.

    But yes, i think the major concern with this is less the content, as we have many backups, and more the damage to the community. So some kind of forum structure may be the primary concern at this point.

    Also, a thought that just struck me…if we do migrate our stories…how do we keep the correct "credit" with everyone? Now, except for the oldest entries, we can just look back and see who posted them. How would we keep track during a migration, where most likely only a few people would be "posting" the majority of the entries?

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1454448 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1454448 Sun, 20 May 2012 17:30:36 +0000 Communism will win 617958 I'm personally less worried about loss of content than I am about a loss of a good way to keep the community functional. If there's anything people around here are good at, it's making more content.

    What I'm worried about is the potential loss of the forum if this hits us before we have a fully functional backup wiki. Taking into account the 75-odd people on #site19 and the maybe 15 or so people in the RPs who aren't included in that first group, the loss of the wiki would still leave a lot of people in the dark and/or unable to continue to participate in the community if we didn't have forums for them to congregate. I can only imagine that we'd have a bit of a Humpty Dumpty situation if we didn't have a place they could regroup pretty soon afterwards. I vaguely recall Adam Smascher talking about the importance of forums elsewhere, so maybe I'm just parroting him.

    So, point is, whatever solution we get, we need content and a forum, and of course a way to get the message out to people where they need to go.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1454110 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1454110 Sun, 20 May 2012 04:00:01 +0000 Quikngruvn 333389 Hmm. Assuming that we have a viable backup (I know Mackenzie's method creates an archive that can be imported into various flavors of software), it wouldn't be overly difficult to recover the site's content elsewhere. The fastest method of recovery would be to restore an archive to a static website (rather than to a wiki that would need user accounts and permissions administered). We may lose some or all metadata, or some or all of the forum, or (worst case) some or (worstest case) all content. (No, take that back— we won't lose all content. Even if we had to roll back to 2009 via the Internet Wayback Machine.)

    Now, what's the best alternative? For this particular issue (the risk that Wikidot suddenly chokes on its own tongue, rendering the site unavailable), probably the best thing to do would be to set up a mirror: an external site to which we write the contents of the wiki on a regular basis. For the sake of expediency, we would probably have to ignore all the bells and whistles we want, but as long as the content is copied elsewhere, we can bounce back.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1453971 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1453971 Sun, 20 May 2012 00:07:59 +0000 Kain Pathos Crow 172549 Well, if push comes to shove, we could always do the unthinkable. Do a donation run and hire a webmaster, server space, domain name, the works, or at least whatever we can't scrounge from the user base.

    I mean, if we do it right, considering the traffic we have, there is always the possibility of getting ads in order to pay for hosting. And we could always get a decent webmaster from site folks or summat.

    Again, this is just an idea I'm throwing out there in case of emergency, though I doubt it will come to that.

    But yeah, a timely shift might be nice. I'd suggest possibly hiring a professional web designer to make us a site and software, or at the very least, give us an estimate. Check into server space, and I think one of the guys has definitely got some SCP styled domain names held…

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1453906 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1453906 Sat, 19 May 2012 21:56:46 +0000 Dr Gears 172464 This is…troubling. We are getting buckets of traffic, but could we switch to something that could handle the traffic without issue? I just wonder that, with the "new site" being more or less under construction, would a more timely shift be helpful or harmful?

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1453789 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1453789 Sat, 19 May 2012 18:19:04 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 If Wikidot dies on us, we probably don't lose a ton as far as core content goes. I'm not sure on the frequency, but there's at least four people I believe do backups regularly - that is, Mack, Troy, Bland, and Sophos. However, if Wikidot dies before we have a replacement in place, the community is scattered. There's no way around that.

    As far as how quickly we come back, I have no idea. We need a hosting solution first. The other wiki software we've looked at doesn't support a lot of functionality we require, and would take just as much effort to beat into a form usable by us as it would to write from scratch.

    As for the fastest alternative, that would probably be biting the bullet and dealing with a wiki that only kinda sorta works for our purposes.

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1453780 Re: Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1453780 Sat, 19 May 2012 17:56:52 +0000 Eskobar 1173523 I'm going to preface this by saying I know nothing about programming, hence many of these questions.

    1. What's our worst-case scenario? What exactly happens if Wikidot "dies" on us? I hear frequent reference to site backups; how often is this done, and how quickly can we come back if we need to reboot the site (so to speak) from those backups?

    2. What's our best alternative? I assume we're talking about finding a new wiki farm, rather than the show site project, so what's the best option we have in that area, in terms of maintaining current site functionality at as close to 100% as possible?

    3. What's our fastest alternative? If this is a crisis situation, might we have to consider jumping to a less-than-perfect alternative as a stopgap measure rather than lose everything?

    Other than that, I'm all for this. We've bounced the idea of a move back and forth for months (well, the idea has been bounced; I have had no personal part in said bouncing to date) and consensus seems to be "yeah, we should definitely do that sometime". Well, time may be shorter than we thought. We can debate the relative merits of different actions ad infinitum, but the question remains: if it happens that we have to move now, what's our next step?

    ]]>     http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594#post-1453772 Might be a problem http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-469594/might-be-a-problem#post-1453772 Sat, 19 May 2012 17:45:32 +0000 Adam Smascher 587467 A lot of you are probably already aware of the issues that have been occurring with the wiki as of late. Lag, double/triple posts, posts not showing, and the Series 2 page locking up and becoming uneditable temporarily being the main ones, as well as some more minor glitches like counters failing to update properly. This, combined with a few other facts, such as Nala having managed to lock up a database and forcing a server restart, seems like an ill omen.

    The short of it is, people more knowledgeable than I have expressed concern that these are symptoms of Wikidot entering death throes, or at the very least, we are seriously testing their capacity. In either case, we need to GTFO, and the current timetable, or more specifically total lack thereof, is exceedingly risky.

    I know, there are currently a total of two people working on a show site, one of which is hiking the Appalachians. However, why and how we find ourselves fucked won't change our level of fuckedness. So we need to decide if this is actually a significant risk (I think it is) and if so, figure out how to get off Wikidot before we find ourselves up Shit Creek.

    I told Murphy to apply to this site so he could explain things. He has a much better understanding of tech stuff than I do.

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