<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:wikidot="http://www.wikidot.com/rss-namespace">

	<channel>
		<title>On Sandboxes</title>
		<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes</link>
		<description>Posts in the discussion thread &quot;On Sandboxes&quot;</description>
				<copyright></copyright>
		<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2026 18:31:56 +0000</lastBuildDate>
		
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1443556</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1443556</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TroyL</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>451071</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Well, this tool is also set to pick up specific things about those pages, namely: ones rated poorly that are over 24 hours old. Saves a bit of time when checking dates and timestamps before the actual deletion.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1443554</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1443554</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 18:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>AdminBright</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>224440</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>I really don't see the point for most of them. For deleteable pages, we have the lowest rated thing, we don't need another useless tool.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1443215</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1443215</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 10:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Eskobar</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1173523</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>It's an option. We'd still have a bit of trouble with edit locks, as Scantron said, and the page could only be used for testing modules rather than storing them in the long run (to avoid insanely-long loading times for the page).</p> <p>I think for little snippets like my Deletable Pages module, the author page works fine, but people needing space for larger-scale projects (like Miss Lohner's Sandbox) will need dedicated space for it.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1443092</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1443092</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 05:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>AdminBright</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>224440</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Why not just one page, that anyone can use for testing things?</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442891</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442891</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 01:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Quikngruvn</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>333389</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Right, on this question I am admittedly (and heavily) biased&#8212; I've had a <a href="http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/quikngruvn-sandbox">sandbox</a> for nearly three years now, and damn, flipping through past versions, there's some history there. I had totally forgotten that I had manually created a table with every SCP's name and rating&#8230; which I guess is interesting if you're curious about the state of the site at the end of July '09.</p> <p>Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that I don't support the idea of deleting dedicated test pages once the test or whatever is &quot;done&quot;. Those of us who want to mess around with the various Wikidot modules shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel each time we want to try something. Also, I don't think these sorts of test data belong on authors' pages, which are more finished products, or at least polished works in progress.</p> <p>So, I would support sandbox pages on the wiki <strong>only</strong> for testing things that could not be tested elsewhere, and only with staff approval. Any sort of non-site-specific text belongs on the sandbox wiki.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442734</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442734</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Eskobar</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1173523</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>If that's going to be policy, I'd suggest we work out some kind of timetable for all of the permanent, named workbenches to be removed. Nearly all of the sandbox-type pages have been relocated already, but there are still plenty of general-purpose workbenches under various people's names (listed <a href="http://www.scp-wiki.net/system:page-tags/tag/sandbox#pages">here</a> for convenience) that should go. I'm okay with whatever the final rule ends up being, but we should make sure everybody's actually following it. I support Scantron's one-workbench-to-end-them-all proposal, but barring that, we should all probably keep whatever snippets we want in our author pages.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442590</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442590</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 20:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Communism will win</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>617958</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Even if you <em>must</em> keep the page around for a while, why not just slap the modules on your author page (which users can already do more or less whatever they want with)? Granted, it wouldn't be a completely in-character thing any more, but who gives a shit?</p> <p>EDIT 1: Or, and here's a random thought: a common test page where people can test their modules (under headers with their name, of course) and stuff. It'd make it easier for interested parties to keep tabs on all of the things people are tinkering with, avoid cluttering up the wiki with new pages, and the discussion could be a good source of ideas. I haven't thought this idea through, so there's probably something wrong with it that I haven't thought of yet, but there you have it.</p> <p>EDIT 2: Remembered that there may be a problem with edit locks. I'd still suggest it, with that being a caveat.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442522</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442522</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TroyL</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>451071</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>I would, to be honest, like to know what people are playing with on the site. Often, it could be something that I want to play with or use, and with the level of access we have now&#8230;. I don't think there's really a problem with knowing when all individual pages are manipulated in any way.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442408</guid>
				<title>Re: On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442408</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>AdminBright</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>224440</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>I'd say no workbenches on the site. They really aren't needed. if you want to test something, make a page, test it, then delete it, right?</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115#post-1442255</guid>
				<title>On Sandboxes</title>
				<link>http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-467115/on-sandboxes#post-1442255</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Eskobar</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1173523</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>So, I made a workbench on the main wiki yesterday, after asking Quik in chat if he thought it was generally okay. I'm not some high-level Wikidot guru, just wanted a space to fiddle with module access. If that's not cool for whatever reason, I can get rid of it. (Though I think the Deletable Pages one is awfully useful, at least for me.) That's not an issue, but it did cause some discussion about sandboxes in general.</p> <p>Beyond mine specifically, I think we should discuss policy regarding sandboxes and workbenches. The newbie guide tells people not to establish sandboxes on the main wiki, which I fully support just on the principle of not cluttering the main site when the Sandbox Wiki will do the same thing perfectly fine with no problems. Workbenches, though, <strong>are</strong> useful on the main wiki, and quite a few of the Senior Staff (plus Mackenzie, for obvious reasons) have them for various reasons. It's much easier to test functionality of Wikidot components (even if only to propose them for possible later implementation) on the site the components are intended to be used on, so as to have access to the actual pages they're designed to interact with.</p> <p>Now, the reason given in the Newbie Guide for deprecating main-wiki sandboxes is that new sandboxes and edits to same come up on the Most Recently Created, Most Recently Edited, and Recent Changes page. As Mackenzie pointed out, though, it would be an easy fix to tweak the programming on the first two pages to exclude workbench pages (adding tags=&quot;-sandbox&quot; to the module). The Recent Changes page could likewise be modified, though that would require switching from the current module (SiteChanges) to a ListPages module with programming to exclude sandboxes. Still very doable, though that might require some more discussion.</p> <p>Again, I'll get rid of mine anyway if it's generally preferred, but this could help other people avoid <a href="http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-442223/scp-test">unwanted attention.</a> Any thoughts?</p> <p>EDIT: After further examination, it seems that while SiteChanges could be replaced, any ListPages module we replaced it with would look radically different, as ListPages cannot display any page more than once on a single module (meaning it could be made to display pages that were revised, but not individual revisions to a single page). I do still advise those changes be made to MRC and MRE, and perhaps that when we look into changing Site Rules we make a rule giving admins and/or mods (or whoever we want to authorize) the authority to forbid rating and comments on pages that aren't supposed to be noticed. But that's a later discussion. I'll go ahead and get rid of mine now.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
				</channel>
</rss>