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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TroyL</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>451071</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Essentially, no, it would not. I talked with SpikeBrennan (who did not offer legal advice, but rather an explanation).</p> <p>This change will only apply legally to new things. Just new things. It does not retroactively affect anything. When we move stuff to the new site, it will be under the new license, but it doesn't matter for anything except new things published.</p> <p>They still have to give credit where credit it due. This means no SCPs shirts without some sort of attribution on the product. Effectively, all we're doing by changing the license (as far as old products go) is saying: &quot;Please don't do this.&quot; Now, at any time, the original author can withdraw their works, but if someone has a copy of them (or the internet itself&#8212;yes, you archive.org. I'm looking at you.) then they can still use them. Additionally, this doesn't stop the original author from publishing their works elsewhere. So, if you wanted to make a book called &quot;The Life and Times of Dr. Gears, Foundation Superstar,&quot; and put all your Gears stories in there (incidentally, I would <em>buy</em> that), you could do so without any problems.</p> <p>The original license isn't going away. We're stuck with it. Forever. Changing them is effectively asking people not to do it. That is all.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>At the moment, only stuff published at the new site is under the NonCommercial version&#8212; which at the moment is exactly nothing. All current content is still under Attribution-ShareAlike, unless and until the license is changed on the Wikidot site. (From what I gathered while changing the license on the new site, any sticking points would seem to come from when a derivative work was published, whether it was while the site was Attrib-ShareAlike or NonCommercial. IANAL, though.)</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Dr Gears</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>172464</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Does this retroactively apply to all works on the wiki, or only things published after the change?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The new wiki is now licensed under the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike</a> license. It's similar but distinct from the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/">Attribution-NonCommercial</a> license in that, with ShareAlike, any derivative works can only be distributed under the same license as the original.</p> <p>If I'm misinterpreting what is actually wanted, I'll change it again.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>We'd have to check with someone who can shot legal if things sold to cover our operations costs would be barred under the non-commercial license. That <em>may</em> be permitted, but I'm not a lawyer, so I can't really say.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>By product, I meant stuff related to the site, such as T-shirts, mugs, whatever else we want. Things to make money FOR the site.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I can set the license on the new wiki to whichever, but I have no idea what the practical effects of switching licensing on migration would be.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>You can sell stuff related to your works minus stolen pictures, etc. because it's yours. As a site collective&#8230;I think the point of switching is to avoid any such enterprise on principle.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Yes, and I'm frankly concerned with looking at the site as a &quot;product.&quot;</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm on board with changing the license.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>But does that mean that WE cannot sell our product for a profit?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>This isn't a problem with switching to a Non-Commercial license. This issue lies with Creative Commons licenses in general.</p> <p>Simply put, given the nonrevocability, it isn't an issue we can do anything about because we've been using a Creative Commons license this entire time.</p> <p>To clarify, I think we should still be able to switch to Creative Commons Non-Commercial. I believe the nonrevocability is with regards to the Creative Commons rights.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TroyL</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>451071</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Eeehh&#8230;</p> <p>And now problems, as indicated by Bland (thanks, Bland).</p> <p><a href="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F">http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F</a></p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>The Raven</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>174995</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Yeah, this sounds good.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Akumeoy</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>617958</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I don't see anything objectionable.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>DrEverettMann</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>323946</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Works for me.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Heiden</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>310272</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I support changing to a non-commercial license.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Dexanote</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>481882</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I support, then.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ditto. I'm all for it.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TroyL</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>451071</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Excellent. That was something the worried me. In that case&#8230; I actually have <em>no</em> objects or worries about doing this at all, now.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>IANAL but if Gears (or any other writer) wants to make money off of his/her own works, that's his/her right. Putting something up under a CC license is not tantamount to surrendering the creator's rights to what they want to do with the work.</p> <p><strong>Edit</strong>: 682 plushies!!</p> 
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				<title>Re: Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I think changing our license is a good idea, and support it fully. However, I also think it prudent to sort out the specifics you mention prior to doing so.</p> 
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				<title>Changing Our License</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Currently, the site is under the Creative Commons License, which is cool and all, I guess, but we run into an issue. People are freely able to make derivative works from the site and sell them for a profit. I, for one, don't know how happy I'd be about someone making an SCP Foundation t-shirt and selling it for cash, especially if they've not got anything to do with the site. I am reminded of the &quot;lolwat&quot; pear, where people were producing merchandise with the image, and the artist didn't see a dime.</p> <p>Switching to the Creative Commons Non-Commercial license should prevent that. It will not allow anything published on this site to be used for profit. For the full text of the license, check <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/legalcode">here</a>. For the TL;DR, check <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/">here</a>. This would, effectively, prevent groups like the MC&amp;D wiki (whom I still support, but&#8230;) from making T-Shirts and making a profit off of them. Derivative works are still permitted; commercialized works—those done for profit—are not.</p> <p>There is the problem, though. I'm not sure what it would take for someone to publish one of their stories under this license. For instance, if Gears wanted to make a book of his CreepyPasta, and someone were to agree to publish, could he remove them from the site and have them published in that fashion? I know Creative Commons allows for the author to retain some rights, but <em>how much</em>? Furthermore, could the <a href="http://www.scp-wiki.net/electronic-shadows-project">Electronic Shadows</a> project actually take place?</p> <p>If possible, I'd like for us to talk to someone who knows the code a bit better (I think we've got a lawyer or two in the site population, and if necessary, I've got one on retainer that I can talk to, but that'll cost me money) and find out just what sort of ramifications this would have.</p> <p>Thoughts and opinions?</p> 
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