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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I could get behind a print-on-demand project, sold at precisely cost. Nobody makes money except the publishers, and all we get out of it is a spiffy hardcover (or whatever format we select).</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kain Pathos Crow</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>172549</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I have to agree with Smascher, although about the printing thing, if I bought a copy, I''d like a nice hardcover or something.</p> <p>This started with Creepypasta floating around 4chan. Not to mention the headache that would ensue if somebody made money off of it, and someone claiming to be the &quot;original author&quot; came out of the woodwork, demanding recompense. Unlikely scenario yes, but liable to happen nonetheless.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 06:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Printing on demand isn't too expensive, if a bunch of us chipped in some time and effort and cash we could probably get a few books printed for our own personal enjoyment.</p> <p>Anything more than that is going to cause problems, sadly.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I would rather <em>nobody</em> make money from the site. We're by the community, for the community. I cannot get behind an official RPG that people are profiting from for the exact same reasons I outlined above. Similar to how no SCP would be nearly as relevant without the rest of them, an official RPG would be even <em>less</em> relevant without the collective contributions of the entire site community backing it up. Most people wouldn't give a shit if it wasn't for the rest of the site.</p> <p>If anything like an official RPG was developed, then it should be made freely available online as a .pdf with the option for printed copies at printing cost and not a penny more. Really, there isn't even a good reason for us to handle the printing. We could just give people basic instructions on finding a local print shop, and then it's entirely their prerogative and we don't need to handle money at any point. No one should make money off of this. Especially not after we started collecting donations to move away from Wikidot with no real plan and that project apparently folded.</p> <p>tl;dr I feel the exact same way about a for-profit RPG as I do about anything else SCP related being provided for-profit. Nobody should be making money off of this. See my first post in the thread. It's still profits being generated from a collaborative community fiction project.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Dr Gears</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>172464</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>That's the flip side&#8230;if someone does put in the blood and sweat, and they manage to make enough of a splash to actually turn a profit from it, who are we to deny them? Ugh&#8230;all this makes my head spin sometimes. I don't know enough about any of this to really say anything with any degree of confidence&#8230;as i've said before, i'm just a guy who likes creepy stuff. I think i'll have to rely on folks with more experiance in this arena if it comes to any decision.</p> <p>At least i've got a bit of sleep now&#8230;</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 04:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I dunno. If anyone is going to make money from the site, I'd prefer it to be people who have bled and sweated into it. Manns been wanting to do an official RPG, which i think could be cool, and have money go to the people who contribute to it. No big deal there.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>&#8230;Fair enough. There is NOTHING in the works at this point, just a idea, really. Myself, I'd love to get a actual, physical collection of stories by some means, mainly because I'm a bibliophile, but also because seeing what you wrote in a physical form&#8230;it's a thrill. If there WERE to ever be a &quot;SCP anthology&quot; project advanced, I think not-for-profit is the way to go. Possibly something to cover only production costs, but even then, I think you're probably right. Money just makes things sticky in the long run.</p> <p>I'd love to see a movie made someday, not because i want to be rich and famous, but because I think it'd be neat to see stuff I watched grow from basic ideas on a big screen. Same with the SCP games and such, I'm just stoked to see our horrors stalking halls and such. We're artists. Fucked-up artists, perhaps, but artists none the less. You don't paint for money, you paint because you want to. We write horror because&#8230;well&#8230;we can. What's more, we can share it with like-minded people, and even people outside our community dig it sometime.</p> <p>Forgive me. As I said, I'm&#8230;a little loopy right now. Thanks for being honest, it helps make a foggy decision much, much clearer. Outside of the odd SCP mug or tee-shirt to keep the site going&#8230;we're a non-for-profit. Heh. A Foundation, so to speak.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Adam Smascher</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>587467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm not comfortable with profits being generated from a collaborative, community fiction project. Money just complicates things. We don't actually need the money for anything, and legal questions aside, I don't like it from a moral standpoint.</p> <p>No single person could have built the site into what it is now; even so, whether or not they could have is a moot consideration, as they did not. That just about <em>anything</em> posted here is relevant is due to the contributions of far more than singular authors. Publishing anything SCP related for profit, even if it is your own work, is still relying heavily on the success of the community-built site. That is, it is leeching off the success of the work others have put into this collaborative fiction endeavor for individual personal gain, and that's just not right.</p> <p>It's greedy, dishonest, and taints the thing I've always loved most about the site: that none of this was for profit. That this was just a bunch of like-minded people who banded together on 4chan behind a throw-away creepypasta and built it into something much more for no other reason than they enjoyed scaring the piss out of people. I feel that bringing money into the equation, in addition to causing a slew of problems we don't need and upsetting people for no good reason, would destroy the pure artistic nature of this project.</p> <p>If a profit should ever be turned from the site, my involvement with it would end, and I would ask that all of my works be removed. This is not a threat. This is a simple statement of convictions.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>The Raven</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>174995</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm strongly advising against this. You saw what happened with that April Fools &quot;prank,&quot; do you really want that again, but without the option of backing down?</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Tread carefully. As much as I want to see this happen, I fear it may be akin to poking a hive of angry users. A lot of people could be frustrated to see that none of their work is being included, even if they are not included for legitimate reasons. This is also dealing with a different league of creative work, and I'm not sure if we know how to approach this. Maybe someone can talk to a lawyer who specializes in literary/creative rights? That way we can begin to work without causing too much trouble in the long run.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Bumping this because I may have a bit of a lead on a way to make this happen. Incidentally, on our creative license, how does that effect individual authors generating revenue from their work, or does everything flow to the site as a whole?</p> <p>Sorry if that didn't make a world of sense, I've been up for 48 hours and I'm kinda loopy.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kain Pathos Crow</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>172549</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>We could always just release several versions of the book with mildly conflicting fluff in some segments. Just little minor things, nothing major, but enough to sorta keep people with different version off kilter.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>DrEverettMann</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>323946</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Now, here's the next consideration. Yoric compared the organization of a project like this to herding cats. The solution there is to reduce the number of cats to a reasonable number. This is another reason I want to limit it to Senior Staff. If we go ahead with this, we're going to need, firstly, a project lead. I'd like to see Clef or Gears in this position, if either of them is interested. They've got a good, solid grasp of what makes an SCP article work. Assign two or three others as writers and editors. Other work is assigned as it's needed. We may need illustrations. We might want someone to work out the layout for us. We can arrange for these as they come up. What do the rest of us do? Not a whole lot. We decide which SCPs we're willing to put into the book. The project lead has the final say on what goes in and what doesn't. SCPs will be further edited to remove references to SCPs not in the book. They may end up with further editing as well, if it fits the style of the book better. Be prepared if none of your SCPs end up in the book. I've looked over some of our member's pages. We've probably got more than enough just between Bright, Gears and Clef. I've no illusions about my own entries. If they make it in, fine. If not, ah well. Maybe if it works out well, we can put out another book later on.</p> <p>Yoric voiced a concern that the book's entries might end up set as &quot;canon.&quot; I think it might be best to make sure the book's entries <em>aren't</em> compatible with the site's entries for that reason. Put a mention in the site that the book's entries aren't necessarily authentic. Hell, put a mention in the book that the site's entries aren't necessarily authentic. Far be it from me to try to set canon.</p> <p>These are the ideas I've got off the top of my head.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hmmmm&#8230;.</p> <p>I approve of this idea, and if it can increase the traffic to the site and create a new influx of users and writers, this should be damn good.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The problem there is that the book has to be, first and foremost, a good book. Yeah, it loses a bit of the verisimilitude, but that's okay. We're not trying to fool people into thinking this is real (with a few exceptions, like the document leaks and so forth). We're forthright in the newbie guides, the comment threads, and the forum, that this is just a collaborative writing exercise. We love our mythology gags and all, but that doesn't mean it'll work in all mediums. Think of it from the perspective of someone who's never visited the site, never heard of SCP. They're browsing Amazon.com and they see our book. What's going to make them want to read it? If we make it a book, we can sacrifice a little realism to make it more readable. Have faith that the reader will meet you halfway and suspend their disbelief a little.</p> 
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				<title>Re: The Book of the Site</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'd recommend doing something that could believably be found in book form within the SCP universe - perhaps the rough draft of the instructor's version of some kind of training manual, set up so there are parts that are obviously what's in the non-instructor version (full of dire warnings about security clearances and not allowing leaks and so forth) with instructor-only sections in between (with even <em>more</em> dire warnings and threats of disciplinary action for letting information fall into the wrong hands). This way, you can include example reports and SCP entries, regulations, redactions, and notes from senior staff - all with an unsettling ambiguity about what's real and what isn't and how much different groups are or are not being told.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>So, while the movie guy's probably a con artist, this called to mind the idea of a book. It's been discussed before, but I think it might be feasible, with some caveats.</p> <p>There are basically two big stumbling blocks to publication.</p> <p>1) We can't use all of the SCPs. We need the author's expressed approval to use the work. Frankly, I think it's best to limit this to Senior Staff in any event. We're going to need to edit the pieces anyway, so it'll be easier if we're just working with our own material. Between all of us, we should have sufficient entries to fill a good-sized book, especially if we add a few actions reports and supplementary material.</p> <p>2) We don't own the rights to most of the pictures. This one's a somewhat bigger stumbling block. We're going to need to either omit pictures entirely, come up with our own (doable with some entries), or find pictures in the public domain. It might even be worthwhile looking into illustration. It loses a bit of verisimilitude, but I think it might look better in the long run (especially since we're probably going to be printing in black-and-white).</p> <p>So, while there are obstacles, I don't think they're insurmountable. Now, is this a good idea?</p> <p>Well, that's kind of up in the air. Understand, this probably won't make us much money. Any money it does make is going to have to be distributed among us (and I suggest the first share go back to the site itself, for some of those projects Gears mentioned). It's going to take quite a bit of work. We'll need to decide which entries we want to use, and they're going to have to be edited for publication. We'll want some new material so that people who buy the book don't feel they could have gotten it all from visiting the site. It's really down to whether or not you think publishing a book is a cool enough idea to justify the effort. Personally, I'd be willing to put in the time, but I can understand if other people aren't.</p> <p>As far as getting it published, I think the first step would be seeing if we could find a publisher interested in publishing the book, and, if none are, going to someplace like lulu.com. If we go with lulu, we're probably looking at something around twenty dollars a book, black and white (we really don't want to go with color if we publish with lulu, trust me on this).</p> 
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