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		<title>Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The vote tally was 26-0 when FlyPurgatorio voluntarily resigned from staff; as the proceedings were ongoing at the time, this has been recorded as leaving staff in poor standing. This thread is now considered closed.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Firstly to clarify: yes, the above was intended to be a resignation. I'm sorry for the confusion.</p> <p>I took a couple of days to figure out better what I should say in response. I know this isn't enough or everything, but it's the least of it.</p> <div class="collapsible-block"> <div class="collapsible-block-folded"><a class="collapsible-block-link" href="javascript:;">Collapsed&nbsp;because&nbsp;length</a></div> <div class="collapsible-block-unfolded" style="display:none"> <div class="collapsible-block-unfolded-link"><a class="collapsible-block-link" href="javascript:;">-&nbsp;Close</a></div> <div class="collapsible-block-content"> <p>I am thoroughly ashamed of my behaviour. I didn't realise the extend, or how I was coming across. I'm not really good at realising that. Intentions aren't really relevant, though. Every step of the way, I made a mistake and then made it worse.</p> <p>Firstly, the public lashing out against Nona is something I'm deeply ashamed of. I did this while in a position of authority and once the haze cleared, I realised how out of line I was. This is why I went on break right away. I apologised profusely, to Nona and to my team, but I thought I could make up for it by staying on and &quot;paying back&quot; for the hurt. This was of course very egotistic and self-centered, and I should've resigned then and there. I only made it worse.</p> <p>I was downright cruel to Ari and my meddling in a situation that was being handled. I am so sorry. I was so sure I was doing the right thing, which is of course ridiculous. I apologise again and I cannot apologise enough for how I talked, and for what I insinuated, as well as showing blatant disregard and disrespect for her role and her leadership. I should've trusted her and backed off.</p> <p>I also need to apologise to Rounder, which is an apology that is long overdue. The suggestion you were acting as if trying to mingle with critstaff was completely ridiculous and downright insulting. I never apologised for that and I should have, long ago.</p> <p>I also owe Dagon an apology, and not just for the insurbordination but also the insistence of talking to him about everything that went down, and adding more stress to an already stressful situation. I acted like I was owed something and I, of course, was not.</p> <p>I am so sorry Aster. I trust your leadership, to the point of it being the main reason I was even still on critstaff. I have put you in a difficult position, was disrespectful, I was again insubordinate and put you through so much shite. I am so, so sorry.</p> <p>I'd also want to apologise to Harry, Naepic, Syuzhet and again Rounder for my lashing out in staffcord in those instances. It was vile and completely uncalled for, my tone and phrasing was inappropriate, and it was for nobody's benefit but my own self-righteousness.</p> <p>Queerious, I am sorry for belittling, for my phrasing, for the disrespect I showed. I am sorry for the discomfort. There is a lot about the ending of our friendship I have mourned, and a lot of things I wish I hadn't said. I was condescending and dismissive, and unkind. I let a lot of frustration get into my words. There is also more I would need to say but the words don't come to me. There is a lot I still need to unpack. I'm sorry.</p> <p>As an extension of this, also my apologies for Bleep. I recognise the behaviour you mention now that you lay it out to me here, and I'm horrified. I can be such a smug prick and unable to let go of a point when I feel I'm in the right. I know I did that to you, I'm so sorry. As for your writing: I respect what you accomplished, I enjoyed the pieces of yours I have read (I think they're only the pieces I crit), your fightscenes especially. I should've been better about saying this stuff.</p> <p>I know I'm blunt, a bit of a know-it-all, and I can't let things go once I bite down on it. I am definitely arrogant and smug. I have a lot of issues with phrasing, I struggle with expressing myself properly, and when I'm under pressure or emotional it just gets worse. None of that is an excuse, it's acknowledging that I need to work on this more. I need to be better at listening. I really am sorry. I didn't even realise I went behind people's backs to this extend, which I know sounds unbelievable because it should be obvious. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together. Having it laid out here just really hammers it down. I thought I was owed the chance to make it right after every mistake. I lashed out and was disrespectful, and I just made it worse. There is more I should say but I am simply not fully capable of putting it into words. I am shocked to realise that so many of the female staffers were subjected to this. I didn't intend this, but that doesn't matter either.</p> </div> </div> </div> <p>There is a lot more I should apologise for, and I can't find the words for yet. There is a lot more I need to process. I have a very long way to go. I know I have hurt people here beyond what can be mend. It's a lot to see laid out here. Quite overwhelming, frankly. I know I cannot respond in a way that is going to address everything that needs addressing. This is not who I want to be.</p> <p>It goes without saying that all of this makes me unsuitable for a position on staff, which is again why I should've resigned much sooner. That isn't even the point here anymore. I have a lot to work on, a lot of figuring out.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2025 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There's a lot of things I could say here, and I have been debating how to approach my public post on this thread. The fact of the matter is that, at first I was considering not commenting at all, as I didn't want to burn any bridges, and the previous behavior I personally have been subjected to have made me concerned about potential retaliation and removal from a space that I quite enjoy being a part of. But then I began dissecting that apart, and analyzing it under a microscope, and realizing I couldn't sit by and stay silent.</p> <p>The fact is that I have been targeted by parallel behaviors in a non-staff context to what's on display here, multiple times. The controlling and abusive actions on display have extended beyond the staff hierarchy to any area in which Fly has power or authority over other people. I don't really dislike Fly, I enjoy their writing, I have been excited many times to discuss literary aspects of various works, television shows, games, and movies with them. I have been incredibly supportive and promoting of Fly and their works and engaging with them in critique at every opportunity because they have a wealth of experience in these departments that I do not, and I hoped to see that in return. But the fact is, outside of certain corridors of policy/staff work, I do not feel as if Fly has ever seen me as an equal when it comes to non-staff site associated matters. Especially not when it comes to writing.</p> <p>It pains me to say that Fly has repeatedly disrespected me in a literary and social context in the same way he has dismissed or disrespected multiple staff members here, demarcating this as a much broader spectrum behavior than just staff hierarchy. I am extremely non-confrontational unless put in a position where I have to be, so rather than raise hell over a personal injury/moment of disrespect, I let it go. Some of these incidents began with some merit, where I made a mistake with regards to the setting, and then immediately apologized, and was subject to a lecture where I was being talked down to rather than talked to as an equal. But there were many others where it was clear the effort I put in out of excitement for contribution were belittled or treated unequally to others, extending even into moments in voice chat. The culmination of this behavior left me feeling fairly low and questioning if I had done something to deserve this range of treatment. It heightened my anxiety, and contributed to increasing self-doubt about my own writing.</p> <p>The first time I really understood that it might not be an exclusively me problem was when I began discussing these things with Queerious. Then this investigation started, and I truly understood the sort of scale of how often this was happening and who it was happening too. I wish I had seen it for what it was much sooner.</p> <p>It's for this reason that I'm voting for demotion. We can't have someone on staff who behaves like this, who essentially forces so many people to recuse, on top of the other things.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2025 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Support full demotion. This is unacceptable.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2025 02:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Supporting full demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I don't have much else to say as i wasn't really involved even with the events regarding nona as critstaff, but what's outlined here makes me agree with demotion</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I believe a full demotion would be the best course</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 13:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Supporting for full demotion and removal from staff.</p> <p>Others have already laid out their thoughts, so my only addition is that it is remarkably dangerous for someone on both Community Outreach and Critique to have a tendency for unnecessary escalation, especially when we've enshrined it as a particular item in our <a href="https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/about-the-scp-foundation#toc1">Conducts</a>. I don't expect every staff to be an impeccable orator, but the lack of manners in which we carry ourselves, towards the community and peers alike, has historically been of an unsavory note.</p> <p>On an even more eminently pressing matters, regardless of the outcome, Fly should no longer be handling of the Bright discussion process, even if judged only on pure optics - having said staff member undergoing disciplinary for abusive tendencies on both intra-staff and intercommunity fronts at the main driver of this is just sending all the wrong message.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>supporting full demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I was an administrator whose area of work did not often intersect with Fly's, so beyond hearing about matters such as the issue with the crit flight, I did not have a strongly-formed opinion of Fly.</p> <p>Being involved in the preparation for this case made me distinctly aware of the nature of FlyPurgatorio's interactions with others on staff. The intensity of some of these incidents goes beyond what should be acceptable by staff by itself, but this behavior went beyond that. Considering the frequency and persistence of such events, combined with other behavior unbecoming of staff such as going behind people's backs, deliberately undermining staff, and other instances of severe insubordination, this cannot simply be a one-time case of a lost temper or stressful situation. I do not think this staffer can safely or productively engage within our staff organization. Thus, I have come to the conclusion that FlyPurgatorio should be demoted and removed from staff.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 05:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I am in support of a full demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>One administrator matter-of-factly suggested that the individual who does the talking-to should be someone Fly is not a direct subordinate of, as he becomes defensive when admonished, and not a woman, as Fly tends to dismiss criticism from women.</p> </blockquote> <p>I was one of the mentioned incredulous admins to this comment, and it immediately told me that the removal of Fly from staff was necessary. I think rounder's post supports why the admin suggested this, but it is an unacceptable position for admins to have about a member of staff. This is not behavior we can or should accomodate, and it must be removed from staff when it is noticed..</p> <p>I appreciate Fly's response to this post, but it only confirms the belief that removal from staff is necessary here.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 02:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As the subject of this thread, I'd like a chance to respond to the main post directly here.</p> <p>I take responsibility for my actions while on staff, and should've done so a long time ago. I was out of line, I was abrassive and acted in ways that were unbecoming. I alienated people I respected, and hurt people I wanted to support. I apologise to all the people mentioned directly and indirectly in this thead.</p> <p>I have typed up several responses to this, and they all come down to the same thing. I am deeply ashamed of behaviour listed here. Several of these instances are things that still eat at me. I should not have been on staff during May/June 2024. I should've stepped away since then. I should have better control of my temper. I should've corrected myself more. I tried to, but it wasn't enough. I should have been better than this, and I was not. If I were to review this thread rather than being the subject of it, I would vote for full demotion as well.</p> <p>Truth be told, I have considered resigning from staff several times over the last half year, from just after the majority of the incidents to as recent as last month. I always found myself another reason to stay on. I truly wanted to help out, to care for this community. I should've realised that sometimes, the best care you can give is take your leave.</p> <p>There are parts of this thread I struggle with still, but I am unsure how to phrase that at this moment. I have a lot to think about either way, and a lot more work to do. I thank you for your time.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This behaviour is unacceptable, it has shown no sign of abating, and the difficulties experienced in reining it in &#8212; to the point where multiple users in Disc and admin feel Fly will not take instruction or admonition from them seriously &#8212; make the situation untenable, and extremely counterproductive. Supporting full demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Supporting demotion. As others said, this behavior would be unacceptable for <em>any</em> user. I agree with Plague and Mew-ltiverse that further action be considered.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 23:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I do believe that as a member of staff this repetitive behavior and the actions provided within the disc thread show that demotion is a necessity for the betterment of both Fly and staff team at this time. I think this would be a good opportunity for them to reflect on their actions and the position of being a member of staff and believe that the current state of things is unacceptable. Voicing my support for demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The individuals involved in the complaint wished to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal; as such, screenshots would be identifying, and were thus not included (though Disciplinary members did see them).</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I’m going to wait until Fly steps in to defend himself before deciding whether I support demotion. However, something I noticed about the thread is that all the incidents had supporting screenshots except the Dagon/Aster incident. Are there any screenshots of this incident?</p> <p>Edit: I support demotion</p> 
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						 <p>That's perfectly understandable. I've seen a growing culture of staff recuse themselves from cases they've had minuscule involvement in, and in truth I've been guilty of it myself. I think it's worth evaluating and explicitly outlining what requires recusal and what doesn't at some point, because it's been used too frivolously and resulted in situations like this. I'll see if I can draft something up in the coming weeks to address the problem.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I did take a central hand in authoring the thread, though input was sought and incorporated from all members of Disc and Administrators, with the specific intention that any biases I had didn't factor into the final report. The reason it fell on me was because a large portion of administrators and Disc members &#8212; I forget the exact number &#8212; felt it necessary to recuse themselves because of friendships or other relationships with the accused party, or just being involved more centrally in the case (while I'm mentioned, it's to a lesser degree than some others). The remaining few were simply unavailable to spend the time needed to track down all the logs of all the incidents and talk to involved people and so on and so forth.</p> <p>Recusal and its very practical costs have consistently been a thorn in the side of this case and have hobbled Disc's ability to respond, as mentioned in the thread, and I felt that whatever opinions the party had on me, I was capable of presenting a clear-cut case and made sure to get input from everyone else to ensure we were doing that.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I agree with Alexander's assessment that something feels off about the language of the report.</p> <p>One thing that sticks out to me is <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/rounderhouse" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=4187885&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1739305707" alt="Rounderhouse" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=4187885)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/rounderhouse" >Rounderhouse</a></span>'s involvement in the compilation and publishing of the report, since it feels clear to me that <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=8497838&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1739305707" alt="FlyPurgatorio" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=8497838)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" >FlyPurgatorio</a></span> has direct animosity towards him, which would be a pretty clear-cut instance where recusal is necessary. I'd appreciate some clarification in this regard.</p> <p>I'll refrain from commenting further on this case until I feel I have a better understanding of everything that occurred. As it stands — while I'm absolutely perturbed by the behavior outlined — I want to sit on the information presented and do my own (personal) analysis of the situation before I cast my vote for demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In full support of a demotion</p> <p>Edit: I do not believe Fly is genuinely apologizing nor do I think he knows what he is even apologizing for. This response is rife with meaningless boilerplate text, lacks a direct apology to anyone mentioned, refers to his own actions in the vaguest possible terms and ultimately says nothing of substance. Redoubling my support of a full and complete demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It seems there are clear and long established patterns that call for further disciplinary action, to say the least, and I support full demotion as a starting place to addressing this.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I agree that the patterns of behavior displayed here by Fly are clearly inconsistent with what is expected of staff. I support demotion.</p> <p>However, I'm wary of further punishment. Reading through this report, the details mentioned and language used feels&#8230; strange? I'm struggling to discern what exactly about it bothers me, and until I can actually articulate that in a definite way I'm going to chalk this feeling up to being tired.</p> <p>Edit: Thank you Yossi for identifying what was nagging at me, and thank you Rounder for the clarification. After giving this more thought I think that my initial hesitancy beyond Rounder's involvement was just a product of being entirely unfamiliar with the dynamics involved in this case. Seeing input from more staff members has led me to a conclusion I feel much more confident in.</p> <p>I fully support demotion, and I'm open to considering further action as others have called for. I don't have any specific thoughts in mind for that, and I'd prefer more of the Disciplinary team be involved with deciding what that further action ought to be. Hopefully that will determine what's best to do in this case and also lessen the amount of work required of Rounderhouse, as he seems to have done quite a lot of work on this already.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Seeing the clear evidence of the behavior, i have to agree with the demotion proposal. This would be unacceptable for any other user.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The evidence here clearly demonstrates a pattern of abusive and extreme behavior. As said before, we would never let a non staff member who displayed these behaviors continue to interact with the community for so long. I support demotion, and agree with Plague that further action should be considered as well.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I have to agree with Plauge. If this was a non staff member, something would’ve been done sooner. This behavior is unacceptable for a member of staff to display. 100% support demotion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>recusing due to a conflict of interest.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Fly has displayed a consistent pattern of behavior unbecoming from staff members on these screenshots. Supporting demotion</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As one of the people involved in one of the above incidents, I am noting my recusal as well.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Noting my recusal from this discussion.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>If Fly was a non-staff member, how would we react to the continued aggression displayed here?</p> <p>Supporting demotion. I also believe there's definite room for further punitive action. Whatever that may be is not up to me, but I'd like it to be considered.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Noting that anything I have to say is better expressed in the above evidence, and my provided statement. Supporting demotion, at this time, as a peer.</p> 
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				<title>Disciplinary - FlyPurgatorio</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Over the previous several months, the Disciplinary Team has received a litany of complaints about <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=8497838&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1739389559" alt="FlyPurgatorio" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=8497838)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" >FlyPurgatorio</a></span>, primarily regarding behaviour with users and other staff members. After a thorough review of the reports, incidents, and context, the Disciplinary Team has determined that Fly has showcased a pattern of explosive, unacceptable behaviour to other staff members consisting of verbal abuse, manipulation, and borderline-harassment, disproportionately affecting female members of staff.</p> <p>By consensus of active, non-recused administrators and a majority of the Disciplinary team, we have elected to begin demotion proceedings per the Site Charter. We are recommending a <strong>full demotion from all staff positions.</strong></p> <p>This thread is open to all opstaff and higher.</p> <hr /> <h2><span>Nona Incident - 2024.05.02</span></h2> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <p>On May 2nd, 2024, FlyPurgatorio was involved in a public verbal altercation in a public chat with since-banned user NonaAcharontia over the latter requesting answers from people who downvoted their tale about why they did so and how it could have been improved. The discussion began with some tension, as Nona aired their grievances that downvotes without explanation seriously hampered the ability of new authors to improve.</p> <p>Fly abruptly escalated the discussion with an extremely aggressive post, captured in part below; the entirety of the message was later edited by Fly to remove some of the more egregious insults and abuse, as he later apologized both publically and to Nona.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/e2c08814-452b-484a-bcfc-8387a9edc539.png" alt="e2c08814-452b-484a-bcfc-8387a9edc539.png" class="image" /></div> <p>This escalation was immediately reported to crit staff by several users, and an internal discussion ensued. This was complicated by the fact that Nona had also been the subject of punitive action for his abuse of crit staff, particularly Fly, Dagon, and Ori, the Discord Crit leadership at the time — though part of his complaint was that his mentor relationship with Fly had devolved into unhelpful verbal abuse from Fly, such as the example attached above. At least two crit staffers voiced a concern that Fly was developing a habit of needless aggression towards users.</p> <p>Nona’s specific relationship with Fly was also subject to scrutiny; Fly had been the crit officer of Queerious and Nona’s crit flights, in a supervisory role helping them mentor new critters. Over the course of the flight, Fly’s behaviour towards Nona and Queerious grew increasingly erratic and controlling, eventually resulting in a complete breakdown of the flight as Nona left the flight in protest of Fly’s treatment of him — the same authoritative, aggressive attitude Fly later displayed to him in in the incident in 19cord. Fly disengaged entirely from the flight, informing Queerious she would be running the rest of the flight and mentoring all the involved critters herself.</p> <p>In the end, Fly chose to undergo a self-imposed, voluntary, one-week 'vacation' from crit staff duties. Following internal deliberation, Discord Crit staff additionally chose to give Fly a 3 day critban and the requirement to complete a personal flight before leading another critique flight. The matter was treated as an internal team issue, and not forward to Disciplinary Team.</p> <p><em>N.b. Nona was later subject to a Disciplinary ban.</em></p> </div> <p>During the week of June 17-23, Fly was involved in two different Disciplinary incidents. They were about different topics but shared a common trait — Fly’s suddenly aggressive, explosive behaviour to other staffers when challenged on opinions.</p> <h2><span>Ari &amp; Discord - 2024.06.17</span></h2> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <p>On June 16th, Fish^12, then a member of critique staff, received a weeklong ban from Official Discord Server (i.e. 19cord) for violations of the main server rules. This kickstarted a discussion about whether Discord Team had the right to unilaterally ban members of the Discord Crit team from 19cord for server rules violations.</p> <p>Deer College, a subset of critique channels inside 19cord, are under the jurisdiction of the Discord Crit team, who deal with rule violations specifically in those channels — Discord Mods have moderative power over the entire server but have agreed not to use them in the critique channels, which effectively operate as an enclave of the site. The particulars of this arrangement are still subject to some disagreement, but the contention of Crit Team was that moderators banning Fish from the server as a whole was improper because it would prevent Fish^12 from doing their job as a member of the team.</p> <p>The most active parties in this discussion were Ari and ROUNDERHOUSE, in their capacities as Captain and Vice Captain of Discord Team arguing that moderating the server as a whole was inside our job description, and Dagon, OriTiefling, and Fly, arguing that Discord Team having the power to effectively remove a member from their team was a loophole that should not be exploited. This discussion grew fairly heated, but eventually was broken for the night.</p> <p>That night, on June 19th, Fly proceeded to engage Ari in a long conversation in her DMs that eventually proceeded into mistrustful and unsubstantiated accusations that Discord Mod Team (and particularly that ROUNDERHOUSE) wanted to coup the Discord Crit Team.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/f1347f87-612e-4c2a-b1a5-009dde8b74a3.png" alt="f1347f87-612e-4c2a-b1a5-009dde8b74a3.png" class="image" /></div> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/57ed993b-36d6-42af-b3a3-a9b040d77bb5.png" alt="57ed993b-36d6-42af-b3a3-a9b040d77bb5.png" class="image" /></div> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/07f3852c-a6be-4b5b-9c00-c63fc8ccf31d.png" alt="07f3852c-a6be-4b5b-9c00-c63fc8ccf31d.png" class="image" /></div> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/e6b6450a-9739-47d7-853f-f2c5aa927714.png" alt="e6b6450a-9739-47d7-853f-f2c5aa927714.png" class="image" /></div> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/34c241d7-ca6b-4d0b-a2b7-9f8c65a820a6.png" alt="34c241d7-ca6b-4d0b-a2b7-9f8c65a820a6.png" class="image" /></div> <p>The conversation dragged on intermittently for several hours over the evening, parallel to a conversation Dagon and Ari were having as captains. While Dagon and Ari’s conversation was essentially civil and friendly, hoping to achieve a mutually-acceptable arrangement between Discord and Crit, Fly’s conversation with Ari devolved into accusations of power plays and abuse. Despite Ari’s repeated requests to stop DMing her and to let her and Dagon sort it out, Fly continued this behaviour in her DMs intermittently for six hours.</p> <p>The central throughline of the conversation was that Fly did not trust several members of the Discord Team not to weaponize their moderation powers, and felt that Ari as captain was not doing enough to prevent that possibility from occurring. The overall tenor of the conversation was an aggressive us-vs-them; even as Dagon and Ari were attempting to figure out how best to let the teams cooperate, Fly was aggressively hounding Ari and deepening wedges of distrust between them.</p> <p>Eventually, Ari cut off the conversation.</p> </div> <h2><span>Wrathcon - 2024.06.19</span></h2> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <p>On June 18th, 2024, Wrathcon was announced. The contest was almost immediately subject to controversy — both because of its timing and theming (it overlapped with Pridefest and the contest page initially jokingly featured the words “PRIDE IS DEAD”), and because of its premise (many users took issue with a contest where all losing entries were permanently deleted). This controversy was discussed the night of the contest, stretching into the morning of the 19th, when Fly entered staffchat irate and aggressive. They engaged in an argument with ROUNDERHOUSE, primarily over a visual mockup using contest page art elements he had posted several hours ago as a possible look for a potential front-page contest banner.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/42f3d900-590e-478a-b815-2f8011ccf59c.png" alt="42f3d900-590e-478a-b815-2f8011ccf59c.png" class="image" /></div> <p>Fly took issue with the contest premise as a whole, and felt the banner was emblematic of staff’s disregard for PRIDEfest. This was an opinion a number of staff members shared, and is not an issue in and of itself. However, Fly’s contribution to the conversation that night began with aggression and continually escalated at anyone around.</p> <p>This eventually resulted in HarryBlank ordering that personal issues be resolved elsewhere and to keep the conversation on-topic of the contest and potential solutions. Fly took offense and accused Harry of ‘tone-policing’ him and accusing him of being emotional, suggesting he take the event as a learning moment. HarryBlank reiterated the order, effectively ending the incident.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/8ed3df65-9614-45d5-bd93-fc0aafe30620.png" alt="8ed3df65-9614-45d5-bd93-fc0aafe30620.png" class="image" /></div> </div> <p>Following these two incidents occurring back-to-back, Dagon and Ari filed a joint complaint to the Disciplinary team regarding Fly’s recent behavior. Both acknowledged they would call Fly a friend, but that his behaviour in recent months had progressed to aggression and badgering when things didn’t go his way. Dagon admitted that he ran Crit team as a flat structure and encouraged his team members to disagree with him, but said that recently Fly’s actions had progressed from disagreement to informing him he was running his team incorrectly and undermining him (as in the case with Ari).</p> <p>As the complaint issuers, Ari and Dagon recused themselves from the discussion. Disciplinary discussed and floated the idea of a censure but the idea lost steam, partly because Dagon clarified he would be enforcing a 3-day break from Crit Staff duties as a punishment regardless of what Disc decided upon. Dagon attested that he felt a 3-day break would hammer the lesson into Fly, and the matter was considered closed with an acknowledgement that Disc failed to act in a timely fashion.</p> <h2><span>Dagon &amp; Aster</span></h2> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <p>Dagon attested that while he had been on vacation in June 2024, he made the decision as head of Discord Crit to leave Aster in charge. Dagon communicated her new position to the rest of the team and intentionally avoided responding to staff inquiries over the course of his vacation. All Discord Crit decisions were deferred to AstersQuill.</p> <p>As Dagon later attested, Fly’s response to this was to steadily ignore the deferral of duties onto AstersQuill. He continued to message Dagon over the course of his vacation asking for input, suggestions, and counsel on Discord Crit decisions and matters that were now Asters’ domain. In most cases, he did not receive a response.</p> <p>Members of Critique Staff who wished to stay anonymous offered additional substantiation. They stated undermining came in the form of aggressive pushing of policy initiatives and challenges to Aster’s decisions; when questioned or rebuffed, Fly reacted with outbursts accusing her and other members of manipulation or of generally not behaving as a friend. He routinely offered advice that deepened the wedges of mistrust between the Discord Mod Team and Critique Teams that Ari and Dagon were attempting to mend, with commentary on Mod Team’s runaway authority. This behaviour eventually progressed to messaging Dagon directly to second-guess her decisions. Dagon admitted that a part of why he neglected to respond to the messages was that he felt any engagement would cause Fly’s manipulative behaviour to intensify.</p> <p>When confronted on the matter by Dagon, he had an explosive reaction that devolved into an argument, expressing distress over what he perceived as being shut out of the decisionmaking process on Discord Crit, but was assured this was not the case by Dagon.</p> </div> <h2><span>Queerious</span></h2> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <p>On 2025.01.25, a conversation occurred in staffchat regarding the ongoing proposals related to the Bright situation. Queerious had proposed making RACI charts, a sort of organizational tool to keep track of which staff members are involved on a specific matter and to what degree, for the ongoing policy conversation about what to do with Bright’s work, as the information on the various proposals was very scattered and hard to keep track of. She did not suggest anything related to Bright’s works themselves, just on how best to keep track of the information.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/e55754f8-00f2-4400-ab99-66e1d34ef642.png" alt="e55754f8-00f2-4400-ab99-66e1d34ef642.png" class="image" /></div> <p>Fly quoted the post and expressed displeasure, stating that it was an unworkable way to set things up and concentrated power in the hands of adcap, cutting off staff from input. Queerious expressed confusion and clarified this was strictly an organizational tool to ensure staff weren’t unnecessarily repeating work. Fly continued to insist this split discussion would harm the proposals and damage the ability of the policymakers to present a finished product, and effectively made it so that whoever wrote the chart controlled what would happen to his proposal.</p> <p>Despite repeatedly being told by Queerious that the RACI chart was *not* a be-all-end-all dictation of how the proposals would take shape and simply a way to formally keep track of who was involved with what and would be updated to reflect any changes, Fly continued to voice these opinions until Ari stepped in and admonished him for being defensive. Fly rebuffed the accusation, but the conversation (publically) ended there.</p> <p>Privately, Queerious lodged a complaint with Administrators, as she felt Fly was reactive overaggressively in a pattern of hostility and dismissal that had become a constant in their interactions. She mentioned that she felt Fly was continually aggressive to her and becomes extremely hostile when she involves herself in staff matters in a way he feels ‘pushes him out’. Admins discussed the complaint and felt Fly was, in effect, bullying anyone else out of attempting to contribute to the Bright situation., and agreed he needed to spoken to formally. One administrator matter-of-factly suggested that the individual who does the talking-to should be someone Fly is not a direct subordinate of, as he becomes defensive when admonished, and not a woman, as Fly tends to dismiss criticism from women.</p> <p>This statement provoked incredulity amongst assembled admins, that this was a phenomenon so casually known but that Fly was still on staff. Administrators briefly discussed a vote of no confidence but decided to send the case to Disciplinary primarily because of general disapproval of administrators using the VoNC (a tool primarily meant for operational staff), but also to gather evidence that would shed any light on whether the accusation of sexism held water and get input from a wider range of staff.</p> <p>In the ensuing conversation, multiple female members of staff gave accounts reflecting how, in their conversations with Fly, they felt consistently condescended to, belittled, harassed, or verbally badgered well past requesting the conversation to come to close.</p> <p>Queerious, in her complaint, contended that this was a long-term pattern of behaviour over the past few months of their interactions together; she offered the screenshots as evidence of one exemplary, representative incident.</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/6895754c-7eb1-4db9-b21e-e3035a614334.png" alt="6895754c-7eb1-4db9-b21e-e3035a614334.png" class="image" /></div> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><img src="https://img.o5command.com/image/32cbf144-bb20-488d-ac33-0399105f1c7d.png" alt="32cbf144-bb20-488d-ac33-0399105f1c7d.png" class="image" /></div> <p>Screenshot accounts presented to Disc further substantiated the claims, leading a unanimous approval (barring recused members) for Disciplinary demotion per the terms of the charter.</p> <blockquote> <p>Throughout my experiences with Fly, I have never felt like he was intentionally malicious; however, I cannot deny that I have experienced a pattern of behavior that made me uncomfortable. I was close friends with Fly, when I first joined the Discord, but over the past year, our interactions have gotten more difficult, frustrating, and alienating to the point of only having a working staff relationship with Fly - even then, due to friction within our staff teams, interactions are awkward, stilted, and often spiral out into a larger problem.</p> <p>Throughout all of my experiences with him, I felt like Fly was undermining me, being condescending to me, or otherwise talking down to me. I experienced many instances of being lectured in private regarding my behavior, being told that I was overstepping as staff, and being publicly contradicted &#8212; even when I was in the right. When Fly used language that abusers often do, and I called it out in a very vulnerable moment for me, and he turned that back against me as 'me calling him an abuser', I realized just how unhealthy those interactions had been for me, and began distancing myself further. Despite never feeling targeted for a specific reason, I cannot deny that Fly has demonstrated a pattern of condescension, impulsive actions and harshness in his language, nor can I say that I feel comfortable when interacting with him, knowing that at any moment, he could take issue with something and make me feel like I had been in the wrong. (Queerious)</p> </blockquote> </div> <h1><span>Conclusion</span></h1> <p>The overall image formed, by testimony, by evidence, and by investigation of the half-dozen incidents listed here and several smaller ones in private was that Fly’s behaviour over the past year had shifted dramatically and taken a turn for the worse. His interactions with other staff close staff members became dominated by accusations that he was being pushed out of the decisionmaking process, including on Crit Staff and on the Bright situation. He came to excessively employ leaning on his relationships and friendships on staff to attempt to force people to listen to him and take a leadership role, frequently undercutting the actual team leads. Most problematically, when these tactics failed, Fly’s first response was highly reactive anger and verbal abuse towards whomever had not firmly and definitively repudiated him — which ended up largely being the female members of staff.</p> <p>Given the context of this thread, the team feels it necessary to voice that we do not make assumptions regarding motive or intent in this case. The interpretations taken are strictly focused on the actions taken by the staff member, which we feel form an unacceptable pattern of behaviour of aggression, hostility, verbal harassment, and manipulation that, intentionally or not, came to focus largely on female members of staff in authority positions.</p> <p>During the various incidents collated in this thread, Fly had friends who are administrators and friends who were members of disciplinary team. Consistently, these people immediately recused themselves from judgement beyond offering context and evidence in the interest of not biasing the case, and the resulting lack of bodies on the Disc team meant that Fly consistently exited situations where he flagrantly broke staff and user expectations with no formal punishment beyond a few days of unofficial censure — a punishment that consistently failed to alter his behaviour. While the Disciplinary team accepts this was an internal team failing, we feel that the nature of the problem has ballooned to the point where censure is no longer a practical solution.</p> <p>We are recommending full demotion from all staff positions.</p> <p>Resignation while these Disciplinary proceedings are ongoing will be recorded as leaving staff in poor standing.</p> <div style="border-left: 4px solid black; padding-left: 0.75rem;"> <h2><span>Disclaimer</span></h2> <p>For several months, FlyPurgatorio has been in the process of compiling a policy proposal with a definitive, complete answer on what to do with Bright’s works. This is a topic which has seen considerable controversy in the past, and there was some concern in the course of the investigation hat Disciplinary action could potentially be seen as reprisal, but that suppressing Disciplinary proceedings over concerns of public relations concerns would be both unjust and would permit a past case of staff abuse to justify an ongoing case of staff abuse.</p> <p>In that interest, the Disciplinary Team would like to state in the strongest possible terms that this Disciplinary thread has absolutely <strong>no connection</strong> or relation to the matter of Bright’s works or the proposals on it The complaints investigated here span across months and center on a persistent pattern of abusive interpersonal behavior. Part of his abusive behavior was excessive defensiveness towards any action he perceived as &quot;pushing him out&quot;, which effectively resulted in no one else being able to assist with or offer help regarding policy work concerning Bright's works. Offers to do so, as in Queerious' case, resulted in unprovoked hostility and aggression.</p> <p>While Admin Team does not know how this thread will proceed and cannot definitively say what will happen to Fly’s proposal, we want to express our commitment to finding an acceptable solution to the problem, and will make every effort to ensure the efforts and thoughts put into this policy proposal are reflected in any such solution.</p> </div> <p><span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=8497838&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1739389559" alt="FlyPurgatorio" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=8497838)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/flypurgatorio" >FlyPurgatorio</a></span> has the right to respond to this thread and any posts within it, and their position and powers as site staff is considered in abeyance for policy votes until discussion ends.</p> <p>This thread is open to all Operational Staff and above per section B.3 of the charter:</p> <blockquote> <p>Once a post has been made on O5, it may be responded to by both the peers of the user and all members of the disciplinary team.</p> </blockquote> <p>Please keep responses on-topic and limited to this particular case. This discussion will remain open for one week.</p> <p><iframe src="https://scpwiki.github.io/timer/timer.html?lang=en&amp;time=2025-02-18T18%3A15%3A55.731Z" align="" frameborder="" height="" scrolling="" width="" class="" style="width: 750px; height: 200px; border: 0; text-align: center;"></iframe></p> 
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