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		<title>Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>aismallard</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>4598089</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>On October 18th, there was a discussion in staff chat regarding the ban of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/drmagnus" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=318209&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1699230731" alt="DrMagnus" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=318209)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/drmagnus" >DrMagnus</a></span>, who at present has a permanent ban as a result from the staff disciplinary procedure which was part of the <a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/november-2020-disciplinary-incident">November 2020 Disciplinary Incident</a> (<a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-15373460/disciplinary-drmagnus">disciplinary thread</a>). Originally this matter was brought to the Disciplinary Team's attention by <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/thedeadlymoose" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=732274&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1699230731" alt="thedeadlymoose" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=732274)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/thedeadlymoose" >thedeadlymoose</a></span>, who after consultation with myself, agreed that the matter of the ban duration should be reexamined. This was first discussed internally by the Disciplinary Team starting on September 17th, before being moved to general staff chat.</p> <p>It is important to note that, given that it has been nearly a year since, it would be improper for staff now to re-litigate the outcome of the case. Instead, given the unclear conclusions and indications made by staff at the time, we were trying to see how we should proceed. It is also important to note that, while a thread for community discussion was opened,<sup class="footnoteref"><a id="footnoteref-751270-1" href="javascript:;" class="footnoteref" >1</a></sup> per the <a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/site-charter">Site Charter</a>, community members are not afforded votes on staff discipline matters, and explicitly considering their thoughts in the process is a contravention of current disciplinary procedure.</p> <p>The core issue is that there are a number of indecisive or unclear votes in the original disciplinary thread which could be read in a couple of different ways, yielding different results. The tally presented to staff is available here, in <a href="https://scptestwiki.wikidot.com/recordyurt">Wikidot sandbox form</a> (<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20231031043257/http://scptestwiki.wikidot.com/recordyurt">archive</a>). As can be seen, there are two both cases where &quot;perma&quot; is the clear result, &quot;1 year&quot; is the clear result, and some which are tied.</p> <p>But the various means of counting votes make several assumptions. For instance stormbreath noted:</p> <blockquote> <p>When you take a vote to mean more than what it is, by the numbers, you start running into problems<br /> Like: I voted for 1 year. I did not vote <span style="text-decoration: underline;">against</span> a perma.</p> </blockquote> <p>After further discussion over the interpretation of the votes, Naepic said the following, which seven staff members noted their agreement with:</p> <blockquote> <p>i'm going to advocate for one year here</p> <p>i think disregarding ambiguous votes is stupid - as dumb as they are, they are votes and ignoring them is something i am uncomfortable with. i get the intention that just because you vote one way that it doesn't mean you are against the other votes like perma</p> <p>but i think for the sake of this, and especially because there is no intention of doing a revote, i cannot conscientiously advocate for perma given the tabulation</p> </blockquote> <p>This summarizes the main consensus that staff reached through this discussion. There was significant analysis of the votes that were cast, the varying implications of each, and while there was support for a permanent ban in many of these votes, given the lack of clarity, staff at present feel that amending the ban to be 1 year in duration is appropriate given the circumstances. This means that Magnus's ban will elapse on November 22, 2023.</p> <div class="footnotes-footer"> <div class="title">Footnotes</div> <div class="footnote-footer" id="footnote-751270-1"><a href="javascript:;" >1</a>. Which, should be noted on the record, is a special case. This thread was created only because of fiat and should not be made in regular or staff disciplinary proceedings barring unusual circumstances. Given the enormity of the November 2020 Incident on staff then and since, it got one such rare exception. The existence of this community thread is not precedent for similar O4 posts regarding disciplinary matters, and each use would require an invocation of <a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/forum/c-7479731/administrative-fiat">administrative fiat</a>.</div> </div> 
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				<title>[Conclusion] Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2022 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>After reviewing the feedback from staff members here, the Disciplinary Team has determined that the consensus of staff is:</p> <ul> <li>Permanent blacklist from site staff.</li> <li>Permanent ban.</li> </ul> <p>A PM has been sent.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 17:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As another one of the members of the Committee, I agree with Rounderhouse and the recommendations given.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ban between 6 months and a year, and a blacklist from staff. I'm glad to see this finally being addressed by Disciplinary, and sad that it had to happen.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm in agreement with blacklisting Magnus and imposing a ban of at least one year, although I wouldn't be opposed to a permanent ban.</p> <p>Throughout these events, Magnus showed himself to be a bully to other staff members, his friends, and the rest of the Disciplinary team. As others have said, this is behavior unbecoming of any user - let alone an admin. There is no way to look at Magnus's actions and see anything other than institutional harassment of another staff member/user.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm in agreement with the proposed blacklist and a 6 month or 1-year ban.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Supporting.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2022 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Supporting blacklist and perma. This kind of harassment would have <strong>never</strong> be tolerated by any user, let alone an admin.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The conduct displayed by Magnus is horrific in the records. It moves beyond simple conduct unbecoming of staff to conduct unbecoming of a member of a community. I have a sincerely hard time believing that Magnus was ignorant to this fact. His repeated statements of recusal and acknowledgement that he needed to leave the chat is nice and all, but that simply shows he was fully aware of the fact that he needed to leave the discussion and still insisted on participating. The behavior on display is reprehensible, and showcases a weaponization of a staff body against a user that Magnus had problems with.</p> <p>Magnus deserves a permanent ban and total blacklist from staff as a result of his actions here. I'm not sure if I want to say this deserves AHT action, but I am in agreement with the users above that a year ban is not a sufficient response to the level and severity of reprehensible behavior on display here.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2022 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I agree with blacklisting and a ban of 1 year.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 18:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Magnus, being the Tech Captain before me, was somebody I used to look up to on staff and respected greatly. I was hurt by his choices to leave staff and completely cut off contact with the Tech Team in early 2021.</p> <p>But his actions here are indefensible and baffling. The things that Cerastes was accused of were not things that he had actually done &#8212; in the sense that would lead to him getting any form of Disc action over them &#8212; and furthermore, were not things that necessitated any punishment. I've always been truly baffled at <em>why</em> Magnus did this, but that doesn't matter: it was an absolute abuse of power, and his repeated failure to recuse himself is more than grounds for his forced removal.</p> <p>The blacklist is necessary.</p> <p>I don't have strong feelings on the ban, but recognize the year length that a few have suggested is appropriate in light of Fieldstone's ban and the length of time since the incident.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Nico is right. Magnus has not only abused his rank in order to organize a hit on another user, but also actively manipulated other staff in a truly disgusting way throughout the whole process. A similair case &#8212; that of Fieldstone &#8212; comes to mind, who has received a perma for manipulating facts during their operation as an AHT member. Although these cases are obviously not 1:1, the similarities between them cannot be ignored, and equal punishment should be applied. Magnus' ban should be immediately escalated to AHT, or at the <em>very</em> least upgraded to a permanent one.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>after reading the details on the <a href="https://05command.wdfiles.com/local--files/november-2020-disciplinary-incident/November%202020%20Disciplinary%20Chat%20-%20Detailed%20Timeline.pdf">pdf</a>, i am horrified at magnus' actions. and mind you, this is only the condensed version we are seeing here.<br /> it is this person's opinion that magnus, whether purposefully or not, orchestrated harassment against cerastes using disc-ord as a sidechat and refusing to recuse themselves from discourse, therefore poisoning the well.<br /> for this reason, i believe <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">this should be escalated to aht rather than disc alone</span> magnus should be banned permanently.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Echoing pp that the minimum ban length should be at least one year.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Mostly agreed, although I think because of the severity of this, we should have a year long site ban as opposed to a 3-6 month.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It's deeply frustrating to read through the timeline and watch the self-identification to step away happen over and over again and continue to be ignored. Active participants in a car crash all refusing to yank the steering wheel. Some frustrating credit can be given to people who were simply crushed under the weight of big, vocal personalities with wiki rank/authority. But this particular thread stands as an evaluation of the person that was objectively behind the wheel.</p> <p>Often times people's conduct looks a lot worse when context is taken away. This timeline certainly removes *some* context by its very nature, and also makes some actions appear worse because you can read them happening all at once in rapid succession rather than the weeks/months this process carried out over. But I also recognize that there are very much things which no amount of context could make better. Despicable professional conduct smells just as bad no matter how much context it is wrapped up in.</p> <p>I am voting as a member of Disc to censure, and I accept the recommendation of the investigatory team to enact a &quot;blacklist&quot; period of one year, and a 6 month site ban.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As one of the members of the Committee, I obviously wholeheartedly approve of the recommended disciplinary measures, giiven the extremely inappropriate commentary and events seen in <a href="https://05command.wdfiles.com/local--files/november-2020-disciplinary-incident/November%202020%20Disciplinary%20Chat%20-%20Detailed%20Timeline.pdf">the timeline.</a></p> 
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				<title>Disciplinary - DrMagnus</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This thread is a result of the investigation and subsequent recommendations regarding the November 2020 Disciplinary Incident, <a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-15373423/report-on-the-november-2020-disciplinary-incident">available in full detail here</a>. It is recommended staffers consult that thread for full context before commenting here. Additionally, staffers may consult the <a href="https://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-15373436/november-2020-disciplinary-chat-detailed-timeline">exhaustive timeline of events</a> for further detail if needed.</p> <p><span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/drmagnus" ><img class="small" src="https://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=318209&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1696948978" alt="DrMagnus" style="background-image:url(https://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=318209)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/drmagnus" >DrMagnus</a></span> took an otherwise-minor exchange with Cerastes, interpreting his actions very harshly, and inappropriately presented a disciplinary complaint. He was strongly, and repeatedly, involved in the internal Disciplinary Team discussions about this complaint, despite recognizing and stating multiple times that he should recuse himself. His presence and persistence within the team's discussion poisoned the well, marring Cerastes' credibility to a degree that some form of wrongdoing was assumed before the team had a serious opportunity to investigate specific claims. In addition to having a self-acknowledged conflict of interest due to being both a complainant and a deliberator, he referenced his IRL stresses which had the effect of manipulating other team members into being overly sympathetic towards him, vilify Cerastes, and justify the legitimacy of the case. Rather than distancing himself from staff matters entirely due to the IRL circumstances he was in, he instead spent a significant amount of time on the case, inappropriately using it as an outlet for his stress.</p> <p>Consequently, as the case evolved differently than he imagined, he hardened his position, interpreting much of the opposition as personal attacks. He applied his personal friendships with Disciplinary Team members as well as his access to the discussion to influence the case, and did not admit fault during or after the incident. His actions were born from high personal stress, but were still incredibly inappropriate, severely affected the case, influenced the Disciplinary Team's perception of Cerastes and inhibited a proper study of the evidence.</p> <p>With all of this in mind, it is the recommendation of the group that former administrator DrMagnus receive the following Disciplinary consequences:</p> <ul> <li>Blacklist from staff. (Staff-wide vote to readmit as staff after a minimum period of one year)</li> <li>Temporary ban of three to six months.</li> </ul> <p>The specifics of this punishment and the passage thereof are the subject of this thread. This thread will be open for seven days and is open to all OS+.</p> <p><iframe src="https://scpwiki.github.io/timer/timer.html?lang=en&amp;time=2022-11-16T19%3A09%3A06.287Z" align="" frameborder="" height="" scrolling="" width="" class="" style="width: 750px; height: 200px; border: 0; text-align: center;"></iframe></p> 
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