Disciplinary - DrBeryli

Re: DrBeryli

Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:12:59 +0000

Sent him a PM instructing him not to take licensing into his own hands, he replied "understood".

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:33:07 +0000

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Non-staff users shouldn't be taking the site's licensing matters into their own hands, especially if they aren't familiar with the actual licensing policies.

Is it possible to keep an eye on this guy's group? Also, definitely keep in contact with the roblox groups that this guy was practically harassing, to make sure this doesn't become a repeat thing.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:55:41 +0000

Posting here because it technically isn't a chat issue, but this user has been trying to enforce licensing team rules and laying all sorts of threats of takedowns and legal actions to a group on Roblox, and has been coming into 17 trying to get our support for his actions over the last few days. I told him to cut it out, he got a bit huffy with me and stormed out. All logs I could find in 17 are below. An apology has been sent out to the group via our official licensing account on Roblox (yes, really), and I'm hoping the matter is settled, but this simply can't continue. I'm not sure if any action should be taken against him at this point, considering his track record, and was hoping to hear y'all's' thoughts.

08/17

15:13 * Beryli joined #site17 ten.tsacmoc.jn.1dsh.6DA1128E-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.tsacmoc.jn.1dsh.6DA1128E-CRInys|tibbiM
15:14 Beryli Yo, ec
15:14 Beryli We got another copyright violator on that kids game.
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15:16 * Complete_Zero is now known as CZ_Work
15:18 Roget Beryli: can we get a link?
15:18 Beryli Syre
15:18 Beryli Sure*
15:18 Beryli http://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=2624538
15:18 Beryli No CC
15:18 Beryli Allegedly they are actually breaking the websites terms of service as well
15:19 Beryli But nobody's bothered to report it.
15:19 Roget .tell Vince http://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=2624538 licensing thing to check, violating roblox toc and creative commons
15:19 Alexandra Roget: I'll pass that along.
15:19 Beryli Thanks.
15:19 Beryli Alright me and my guys down at the respectable group in the skype chat are getting a proper incident report for you guys.
15:20 Beryli Do you got a deadline or something?
15:20 Beryli At this very moment we are trying to compile all the stuff.
15:20 Beryli Thanks guys
15:21 Roget kk
15:21 Beryli If you have any further questions about this scumbag, I'm more than happy to answer…
15:22 Tuomey …are you still talking about the roblox thing?
15:22 Beryli Yeah,
15:22 Beryli Copyright violations.
15:22 Beryli Again.
15:22 Beryli Different group this time allegedly.
15:22 Tuomey It's not that big a deal - we have the link, there's not a lot more to say
15:23 Beryli Alright,
15:23 Tuomey Like, all we do is ask them to stick the licensing information on it
15:23 Beryli Sadly the ones down at our group has actually warned him about that thing, he shows a blatant disregard for legal action.
15:24 Beryli Regardless
15:24 Beryli Thanks for the quick response here
15:24 Beryli Beryli out
15:24 *** Beryli left #site17 ten.tsacmoc.jn.1dsh.6DA1128E-CRInys|tibbiM#ten.tsacmoc.jn.1dsh.6DA1128E-CRInys|tibbiM
15:24 Tuomey We're, uh, probably not going to take any legal action beyond reporting him to roblox if he doesn't fix the thin-
15:24 Tuomey that's good too

08/19

Sometimes I think I'm too nice...

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17:09 Beryli Welp..
17:09 Beryli They didn't listen.
17:10 TombDoingStuff Beryli: ?
17:10 Beryli They still insist on selling items even with the copyright which if I'm not mistaken is contradictory.
17:10 Beryli The roblox group again…
17:10 TombDoingStuff We've got the licensing team dealing with that
17:10 Beryli Yeah they put the copyright up
17:10 Beryli But they only listened to have of it
17:11 Beryli And they seem to not care because they are re-advertising themselves on the site.
17:11 TombDoingStuff They're allowed to sell things under the CC license. And licensing team are dealing with it.
17:11 Beryli Really?
17:11 Beryli Hmm
17:12 Beryli Alright then
17:12 Beryli Thanks
17:12 Beryli Wanted to make sure.
17:12 TombDoingStuff What did you actually say to them?
17:12 Beryli I'll try and get my messages.
17:13 Beryli I think it may have been deleted due to alleged "harrassment"
17:13 Beryli But I'll make sure
17:14 Beryli Ah yes
17:14 Beryli It was a reply to him saying that we weren't contacted by the wiki
17:15 Beryli e are the official foundation and we were contacted by the Wiki; the wiki's contact however was from copyright reasons and not full-recognition. It's possible you may get closed down if you do not follow the guidelines of the copyright.
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17:15 +++ ChanServ has given halfop to Vince
17:15 Beryli His reply
17:16 TombDoingStuff That was his reply?
17:16 Beryli Your attempts at manipulation is highly ineffective; no copyright is being violated and if that was so, my group wouldn't get shut down. Now away with you pathetic idiot.
17:17 Beryli Sorry my copy-paste thing broke
17:17 Beryli Had to type it manually.
17:17 TombDoingStuff Right, ok
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17:19 TombDoingStuff Vince is licensing team, so I'll hand this conversation off to him if he's available?
17:19 Beryli This went down 8/8/15
17:19 Beryli So he had a chamce.
17:19 Beryli Chance*
17:19 Beryli Alright
17:19 Beryli Thanks.
17:19 Vince Beryli: As the licensing captain, I really appreciate your attempts to help us, but you're a bit gung-ho on it and starting to overstep your boundaries
17:20 Beryli Apologies.
17:20 Vince What're they doing that has you concerned?
17:21 Vince I just arrived so I missed like 90% of the conversation
17:21 Beryli Their blatant disregard for lack of copyright,
17:22 Beryli I even warned them along with a few admins on our end about it.
17:22 Beryli Because, common courtesy
17:22 Beryli But allegedly we're pathetic idiots who has no chance of manipulating him… or some bullshit he spouted.
17:22 * Sax is now known as Argus
17:23 Beryli He had more than enough time to put the copyright up
17:23 Vince According to the guy I had put in contact with them they're adhering to our licensing guidelines and cooperating fully, or at least taking steps in that direction.
17:23 Beryli They are now.
17:23 Beryli However I thought it was against the CC to sell items under the copyright
17:23 Vince Well, yeah. We finally got in contact with them last night. We aren't exactly expecting them to have everything perfect in less than a day
17:24 * Argus is now known as Sax
17:24 Beryli Well that's the thing, we contacted them 11 days ago about this.
17:24 Vince No, our license allows for the sale and purchase, so long as you correctly attribute everything.
17:24 Beryli Allow me to check that.
17:24 Beryli Because I feel as if they aren't going to do that.
17:25 Beryli Nope
17:25 Beryli Just says
17:25 Vince Again, if they screw it up or refuse to comply, that's our problem
17:25 Beryli "Shirt"
17:25 Vince And I can have my teammate speak to them again.
17:25 Beryli They made absolutely no attempt to do so, in fact for their creative commons thing, they literally just copy-pasted it from our description.
17:26 Beryli It's as if they were to lazy to actually abide by the CC
17:26 Vince link me so I can look for myself?
17:26 Beryli Also, I'm almost positive donations are not allowed right
17:26 Beryli Alright
17:26 Beryli http://www.roblox.com/SCP-Personnel-Uniform-Top-item?id=278915028
17:27 Beryli Because there is this magical thing where you can quite literally convert in-game money to actual funds.
17:28 Beryli So technically they are more than capable of taking that money and using it for themselves without consent from the original source.
17:28 Beryli Being you,
17:29 Beryli I can even show you how blatantly it was copy pasted by comparison, if that is to your liking.
17:29 Vince We consented to allow them to copy/paste
17:29 Beryli Alright,
17:29 Vince I helped draft the thing they copy/pasted from
17:29 Beryli I'd think so
17:29 Beryli Because it came from us,
17:29 Vince ?
17:30 Beryli When we were near 4500 members and before connor's foundation existed
17:30 Beryli You guys contacted us
17:30 Beryli And gave us that exact format.
17:31 FlameShirt Dude, the thing is fully complaint
17:31 Vince yeah. we provide it in situations like this when we think it'd be better to guide the person than leave them to their own devices
17:31 Beryli Also, you know they had the balls to make their own wikidot.
17:31 Vince like. and if you're angry that a rival scp group popped up on roblox and is stealing you guys's thunder or something
17:31 Vince that's literally not our problem at all
17:31 Beryli No no
17:31 Beryli Of course not.
17:31 Beryli I wouldn't expect that,
17:32 Beryli That'd be absolutely ridiculous.
17:32 Piefish making their own SCP wiki isn't against any rules
17:32 Piefish they can do it if they want to
17:32 Vince Now, I'm going to ask you nicely to lay off of them and let us deal with it
17:32 Beryli Alright
17:32 Beryli Have a great day,
17:32 Vince You can link us to stuff
17:32 Vince but don't act in our stead again, okay?
17:32 Beryli alright
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Re: DrBeryli

Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:26:15 +0000

Reapplied and readmitted.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:48:57 +0000

Yeah. I said the same thing—"We said don't give any more feedback, so don't give any more feedback."

Then I got this reply:

I see, well thank you regardless for being helpful.

BTW do you have a skype?

Not responding to that, because it's verging on creep, but then given their PM to Mann, I guess they don't know I'm female? :|

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:37:00 +0000

Got my own PM from him.

If you did notice my last message I even said that I didn't want to overstep the line on my guidance which is why I went for the simplest yet major thing I could grasp without it being to little for me to handle, I took Zyn's warning to heart and really just wanted to help him out on that one.

Replied as follows:

You were told explicitly by Zyn not to post anymore feedback until after you've successfully posted a mainsite article.

> DrBeryli, since this is not the first time staff have needed to address your posts, please refrain from giving feedback in the forums until you've written a successful mainsite piece.

Staff does want to help you, but you need to listen to what we say. You are doing things wrongly. If you do not understand why you are wrong, then step back and refrain from action until you do understand. You are welcome to use #site17 or any number of avenues to contact staff for clarification.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:13:31 +0000

So I got a PM from the guy:

So honestly after my several infractions I've seen you jump to defend me, and sincerely I really want to thank you for being patient with me. I really want to contribute and my last infraction was trying to be as non-dicky as possible. I tried to aim for something that was simple yet didn't require any prior knowledge. Looking back on it I should have given examples, it would have come off better. Again thanks for hopping to my aid, and I hope you don't have to again!

-DrBeryli

Guy's missing the point… it's the fact that he'd already been told not to post feedback that landed him the ban, not necessarily the content of the feedback itself (which was admittedly still objectionable, but that's not as relevant here).

At this point I'm feeling less "wow this guy's a good sport" and more "I'm actually worried about how he's interpreting site rules and staff communication". Anyway, given that I'm not sure how seriously this guy takes staff on the site (if at all), I'm guessing we move to week long ban on next infraction.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:40:28 +0000

Done.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:32:23 +0000

Supporting

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:54:19 +0000

Supporting.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:36:54 +0000

And they ignored my previous cease-and-desist and PM, leaving feedback that is both misleading and lazy:

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1263954/my-first-scp-attempt#post-2329174

The first SCP attempt always goes bad, since I really am not ready to criticize others as a whole, I'll tell you only one thing that is minor but plays a major role in the article.

The spelling.

Calling for 24 hour ban.

Re: DrBeryli

Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:31:44 +0000

They're at it again. Posted a cease-and-desist on their forum feedback given:

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1262778/two-more-scps#post-2328339

[…]Though I feel as if your containment procedures are way over the top (trust me I did this as well when I wrote mine), no matter how significant the threat is, your article should not sound like SCP-100000-J. Try something simpler and less accessible, like there are 4 individual passwords to the vault each of which are about 24 characters long and is not hackable by any means. Each password is to be on hand of an O5 council member at all times, and then the safe opens and the key is a decoy. Under the glass case it is in, is the real thing, which requires a key that only O5-13 has or something.[…]

Closed staff post with the usual "do not reply", so if they reply to it that's a 24 hour ban there. :|

Re: DrBeryli

Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:42:19 +0000

Re-applied and accepted.

Re: DrBeryli

Fri, 26 Jun 2015 05:58:45 +0000

Cool. Hopefully this works out.

Re: DrBeryli

Fri, 26 Jun 2015 03:20:51 +0000

Done. Am now composing the explanatory PM.

edit: Sent the following.

+ show block

Re: DrBeryli

Fri, 26 Jun 2015 03:12:51 +0000

Do it.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 22:08:44 +0000

I'll take care of it if one other approves.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:20:46 +0000

Better revoke before their next infraction, then, because they were already told that their next infraction would result in a ban.

Actually, I think a revocation right now would be a good thing, frankly. Again, revocation isn't a punishment, so we can do it whenever we deem necessary. It doesn't have to be prompted by another Bad Thing Done.

So yeah, I support a revocation, assuming it's done today or so.

Given the confusion I see in this thread, though, I'm not gonna do it myself unless I see other staff supporting it.

If another infraction occurs, I second a 24 hour ban.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:15:52 +0000

Ehh…I'd still prefer a revocation first.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:20:42 +0000

Welp, they got that official warning, so 24 hour ban on next infraction: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1258252/scp-xxxx-vegetable-virus#post-2324979

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:04:24 +0000

Seconded

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:03:27 +0000

Honestly, Beryli's been coasting for a revocation for a while. The cluelessness and overeagerness adds up, even if they're also exhibiting good behavior. In this case, it's more of a "please read the guides again to learn what staff expects of you in terms of behavior" rather than "read the guides again to learn how to write an SCP and get feedback".

Advocating revocation on next offense.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 04:06:46 +0000

My main concern was that the first few staff posts didn't really convey much more than "hey, please don't do that". It wasn't until several had accumulated that I realized that the guy wasn't really understanding that the posts were made in a staff capacity. It looks like he only realized that there may be disciplinary follow-up after I made that most recent "hey, you're going to get in trouble if you continue" post.

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 03:17:42 +0000

Sorry, that post was really not very clear — my fault for dashing that post off right before I had to step out. Mea culpa.

I meant to say: That's an official warning to stop bumping posts, since you told him to stop as staff, as opposed to unofficial friendly advice (and the Staff Post header makes it unambiguous).

We're totally fine to give him more warnings if we're inclined to be lenient, though, rather than jumping to a 24 hour on next offense. As it happens, we did that — he's been staffposted many times on repeated behavior. Those are all warnings to stop engaging in the behavior.

However, if we believe he's just overeager and acting in good faith while faceplanting (hell, I was in that position when I joined years ago), there's no reason we can't continue to be lenient. We're not obligated to subject a user to disciplinary acceleration if they're relatively harmless, after all.

And in this particular case I'd defer to you on that (and assume anyone else would too).

I'm only jumping in to mention this because I've noticed confusion lately on what counts as a warning and what doesn't.

Though, especially as I'm unable to sign on IRC right now to cross-check this with anyone, staff should feel welcome to point out any issues with my assessment of policy!

Re: DrBeryli

Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:08:55 +0000

Ehh. All of those staff posts are made by me, and for now I'm inclined to be patient with the guy since he seems overenthusiastic rather than aggressively impatient. He's been a good sport about the feedback he's received, and I can understand wanting to get that first success on the site.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:29:41 +0000

Guy's still bumping, so I made a staff post telling him to stop since we're done with polite nudges. Official Warning on next infraction.

This is already an official warning, isn't it?

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:08:05 +0000

Honestly, given the sheer number of staffposts, we'd probably be better served with an official warning now.

Re: DrBeryli

Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:22:24 +0000

Guy's still bumping, so I made a staff post telling him to stop since we're done with polite nudges. Official Warning on next infraction.

Staff post today: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1257220/scp-idea:vegetable-virus#post-2324060

All other instances of staff posts on this guy's forum behavior up until now:

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1228610/scp-2524-gaseous-hemeopede-review#post-2312308 (posted multiple comments in succession)
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1228610/scp-2524-gaseous-hemeopede-review#post-2317981 (contentless bump)
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1249899/scp-xxxx-mobile-fighting-infirmary-system#post-2321738 (posted two comments in succession)
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1234318/prometheus-lab-s-medicinal-defense-system#post-2317979 (contentless bump)

Anyway, he's replied to some of the staff posts telling him not to be spammy (generally saying he's impatient and also immediately jumping back to asking for feedback) and he's demonstrated awareness of how to edit posts, so there's really not much leeway here.

Re: DrBeryli

Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:38 +0000

Slightly spammy today with contentless thread bumps.

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1234318/prometheus-lab-s-medicinal-defense-system#post-2317831

So, anyone's comments?

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1228610/scp-2524-gaseous-hemeopede-review#post-2317833

Sirpuddding, I need your nit-pickiness!

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1234318/prometheus-lab-s-medicinal-defense-system#post-2317850

Sir Pudding your never ending nit-pickiness is needed. We summon you to give us overall insight on how stupid this concept probably is! If we are lucky then it's actually good!

I'm a little iffy on their imperiousness, but sirpudding's been rather patient with them, so kudos to him. Staffposted twice, telling the guy not to bump and to PM people if he really needs a response from one particular person.

Re: DrBeryli

Mon, 08 Jun 2015 20:06:38 +0000

I blanked the post with a staff notice and posted a closed staff post telling people not to announce deletions if they weren't the one who actually did the deletion.

Official warning on next infraction.

DrBeryli

Mon, 08 Jun 2015 20:04:13 +0000

User DrBeryli recently left the following post on the current deletions thread:

+ show block

Of note is that the article had not yet been deleted, and that he did not write it. Seriously dickish. Keep an eye on.