EDIT: and have saved a screengrab here too.

While I definitely can see your line of reasoning here, just saying screw them and doing what we feel is right can cause problems.

In a perfect world, we could delete these posts without a second thought (or even better, we wouldn't get them in the first place). But in this not-perfect world we need to think of this with more depth rather then just deciding on policy with a black-and-white mentality in mind.

So basically:

• I personally believe deleting these troll posts would be a mistake (see point 3 for an exception). Instead, I would suggest editing the troll posts to say that the troll has been banned and why that is. This would give trolls less ammunition to throw at us.
• We are starting to get worked up. We should calm down and think this through in shades of grey rather than in a black-and-white perspective. There are more options here than just deleting comments or doing nothing.
• We should delete posts that contain death threats. Death threats are not tolerated IRL, they should not be tolerated here.

Most importantly, I don't see why they couldn't construe the ban itself as an embargo on free speech. Surely removing someone from a platform permanently is just as severe, if not worse? Should you therefore argue against permabanning users who are disruptive in this particular fashion because that could be considered a slight against their rights?

I reiterate that this argument prioritises the views of the people who continue to conduct baseless harassment campaigns over the victim of these campaigns, and because of that I'm frankly fucking sickened we have to have this discussion in the first place. I fail to see a cogent argument for letting death threats remain on the site no matter how poorly-spelt they might be. Hard yes to deletion.

New discussion thread for troll post treatment is here: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-10082525/discussion-troll-post-treatment-round-2

Maybe, as a standard part of the "this user has been permanently banned for trolling" statement that appears on a banned user's posts after they get perma'd, we include a link to the relevant 05 thread? This way, we keep the really harmful post off the site, but also still have the proof easily avaible to everyone to pre-empt claims to the contrary.

But for posts that aren't harmful, blank it and staff post if necessary,

EDIT: Some other examples would be doxxing people, threats, or incitement to violent.

but as I said in that discussion post….

Some of the stuff about the recent Social Media fiasco has made me think of this issue from a more PR-standpoint. While the reasons for people are varied, I am getting a sense that some users see Staff as some kind of authoritive Big Brother when it comes to content on the site. That kind of perception is hard to shake once it's earned.

So deleting troll posts (and then the ban that's probably going to follow) is only going to strengthen that perception. From anyone who didn't see the post in question, all a user will need to say is "those dumbfucks banned me and erased my comments because they didn't like my opinion!", and there's a good chance that they'll take the troll's side. Sure, we can point to the procedures, show a pastebin image…

… or just -snip- and say "Hit 'show more' and click on their first revision". A troll post is going to be obvious, and leaving the post there after blanking is proof enough for anyome who's curious that Staff had justification for said blanking.

The trolls we're getting now aren't just run-of-the-mill shitstirrers; those that target 2721 likely have an agenda they want to push. And outright deleting their offensive posts only feeds into that agenda, "They say they let people have their opinions on 2721, but they don't. I left my opinion, and they banned me and deleted my post!" is a much stronger argument to make if obvious troll posts are deleted instead of blanked.

Might be time to revisit that conversation—I don't think it benefits anyone to let spammers just build up a legacy on something like this.

I'd love to delete these posts, please give feedback and someone give me a reason why we shouldn't, cause apparently we don't delete posts any more.

c45

Comment 1:

the thing that is bad is the fact that you thought this was a good idea in the first place
because you thought that, its a miracle you had the competency to even write an scp
go neck yourself
nice -J though

Comment 2

democracy gay fuck you fagit 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Permaban, clearly.