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To address your points:

Six hundred dollars is a lot of money, and I personally wouldn't feel comfortable supporting something that costs so much, regardless of anyone's volunteering or promises.

Six hundred dollars, over the course of a year, which I can write off on my taxes, is…honestly not that much of an investment. It's a big number, all in one lump, but over the course of 12 months, it's really not.

If we go with the addresses outlined, that's actually more like 240$ a year regardless.

I've spent more than that on very dumb stuff, including stuff we already use for the wiki (Hosting for Helen, and various bits of software that helen needs licenses for).

Things happen, and six hundred dollars is a significant amount of cash that could be put to better use than building a redundant communication system for the administration of a collaborative fiction wiki.

This isn't a redundant communication system. We don't have a primary communication system which we can refer to as "This is the official communication channel of the wiki"
for anything outside of the wiki. Yes, we have wiki pm's, but we have no way to actually communicate with non-wikidot members, with any kind of validity beyond claiming to be a certain wiki member. This is becoming more and more of an issue, as we grow, and expand our off-site presence through things like tumblr, art contests, etc.

You also mentioned the discomfort of not wanting to use your personal e-mail address, and I get that. But isn't it also true that e-mail addresses are inherently personal things, even professional ones?

Email addresses of this nature aren't personal. gro.ikiwpcs|maeThceT#gro.ikiwpcs|maeThceT for example, wouldn't be "owned" by an individual. It's a general purpose inbox for outside communication for the relevant team. All of the OS of the tech team can log in, and view messages. I'm not talking about each of us signing up for a gmail that we have to use for our personal lives. I have a work email address which I don't consider "Personal". And, I consider my role as tech captain another "job" of a different sort, which I'm basically attaching my personal wikidot account, and email to, to perform part of its function. We have a lack of infrastructure in a few key areas, and this is one of them in my opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Literal billions of people have an e-mail address, and I don't know if that's the kind of interest we should allow. " If you mean that we could get billions of emails to these addresses, that seems unlikely.

There's also the fact that we already have multiple channels of communication for each team of staff, and this would add a further layer of unnecessary bloat to the system, in my opinion.

We do have multiple channels. We have IRC, and Wikidot PM. I had to use my personal github account to solve a wiki issue. That's half the problem I had with the whole situation. I had no way to verify who I was. Anyone could use some variant of "Magnus" on IRC, or Wikidot, and pretend to be me.

Lastly, you mentioned that some rando wanted a "professional e-mail address" because they wanted you to prove you were legit? In all honesty, why should we care what someone else thinks about our existing methods? We don't need to give people squat.

He was completely right though. I was some guy named "CCastellano" on github, claiming to be DrMagnus, and had no way to prove it, to deal with an issue which concerned my role as staff. We don't have a way to prove anything we're doing if it involves someone off-site. I'm not sure how licensing handles off-site communication, but I really hope it's not through a personal email of a staff member.

Re: Proposal - SCP Wiki Gmail by DrMagnusDrMagnus, 17 Dec 2017 03:51

Now, I know nothing about any of the computer stuff you are talking about, but I understand enough to have a few opinions. Six hundred dollars is a lot of money, and I personally wouldn't feel comfortable supporting something that costs so much, regardless of anyone's volunteering or promises. Things happen, and six hundred dollars is a significant amount of cash that could be put to better use than building a redundant communication system for the administration of a collaborative fiction wiki. You have done a lot of projects for the wiki, Magnus, but this seems like too much of a personal investment and I am not comfortable with that.

You also mentioned the discomfort of not wanting to use your personal e-mail address, and I get that. But isn't it also true that e-mail addresses are inherently personal things, even professional ones? With the private messaging system on the wiki, there is a greater distance between the public and private lives of our users and what they ask staff. Literal billions of people have an e-mail address, and I don't know if that's the kind of interest we should allow. There's also the fact that we already have multiple channels of communication for each team of staff, and this would add a further layer of unnecessary bloat to the system, in my opinion.

Lastly, you mentioned that some rando wanted a "professional e-mail address" because they wanted you to prove you were legit? In all honesty, why should we care what someone else thinks about our existing methods? We don't need to give people squat.

I guess in conclusion, this is a nice proposal, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I've infiltrated their ranks I'm happy to join!

Re: Junior Staff Appointments by PolynomPolynom, 16 Dec 2017 22:05

Added PolynomPolynom to Junior Staff for Forum Crit!

Re: Junior Staff Appointments by ZynZyn, 16 Dec 2017 21:54

Hey all.

I've been talking about this for a while, and I'd like to create an SCP wiki official github account, so we can store a lot of our more technical things in it, as needed.

Using my own gmail however, is kinda….bad optics, and I'd rather not have my personal email associated with the administration of anything official, even if it's something for the tech team.

Creating an email for the tech team is great, but it's still an @gmail.com domain. This came up when I was dealing with the owner of SCPDiscord, who wanted an official email to prove who I was.

My proposal then, is thus:

Create an offical SCP wiki domain email, which we can use to field identity questions, or sign up for outside services.

@scpwiki.org is currently available. I know that we have an ownership to scp-wiki.net which I'd prefer to use, but I'm not sure who administrates the domain registration.

The following accounts are ones I feel would be relevant:

  • gro.ikiwpcs|maethcet#gro.ikiwpcs|maethcet
  • gro.ikiwpcs|gnisnecil#gro.ikiwpcs|gnisnecil
  • gro.ikiwpcs|tnemssarrah#gro.ikiwpcs|tnemssarrah
  • gro.ikiwpcs|nimda#gro.ikiwpcs|nimda

This leaves six to be determined.

Each one would be a "group" account, with all relevant staff having access to that account.

If whoever owns it is willing to help identify the ownership, I'd be more than happy to administrate the email portion, using @scp-wiki.net instead.

If they'd rather keep it the way it is, I'm more than willing to purchase the domain registration, and keep it under the administration of the tech team, either myself, or whoever is in the role of tech captain going forward.

Things to note:

I'm not interested in having ownership for ownership's sake. I'm willing to pay the 30$ a year for hosting, plus monthly fees, and deal with the adding email accounts and whatnot. If an admin would rather have this responsibility/authority, go for it, but I'd expect them to share the costs (at least a couple bucks of it).

This would give us an official and addressable way to deal with outside contact beyond just the wiki. It also means we can have multiple team emails, so we don't have to wait for people to contact us on Wikidot if there's a licensing issue, or something is broken on a technical project.

GSuite pricing is 30$ for the domain upfront, and 5$ per user account. I'm willing to pay for up to ten user accounts per month, for a total of 50$ a month, for at minimum one year. I don't plan on going anywhere, but I will guarantee at least one year of hosting, if for any reason I am no longer active as staff (for any reason whatsoever), from the date that occurs.

FAQ

Are only staff going to have access to these accounts?
Yes. Passwords will be changed regularly to prevent abuse, and will be recorded and administrated by the tech team.

Why the tech team?
….because we deal with technical stuff.

Can it be someone other than the tech team?
Sure. Who wants the hot potato?

So, what are these emails used for?
OFFICIAL communication outside of the wiki. Signing up for accounts that require official staff function (github, tumblr, facebook, whatever).

Wait, we have those, wtf.
Sure. If you don't want to switch over, I'm not the cops. Teams do what teams want to do, I'm just trying to help. It means we can have a centralized official communication channel.

So why the F are we talking about this anyway?
Last week, the guy who owns the SCPDiscord repo wanted me to prove who I was with an official @scp* email address. We don't have those, and honestly, have no way to verify our identities off of wikidot. This is probably a bad thing, as our fandom and site grows. This is a good way to handle that.

Why gmail? Can't you set up an email server?
I could and I have. I don't have a UI, webmail login, or strong password system. It's just a POP3 system. This is easier, and more comprehensive.

This costs money. Who is paying for this?!
I am. Regardless of my level of staff, or involvement in the wiki, I'm promising at minimum 1 year of hosting. I also promise 1 year from the moment I am no longer active staff. If no one steps in in the interim, we can talk.

Please let me know what your concerns are, or if you feel this is something which we should move forward on.

Proposal - SCP Wiki Gmail by DrMagnusDrMagnus, 16 Dec 2017 21:19

MTF Cpt Rob MMTF Cpt Rob M (formerly Dr_Orsus, if their sandbox pages are anything to go by) has been revoked due to their name not following the Join the Site guidelines.

Re: Username Log by ZynZyn, 16 Dec 2017 19:23
Re: quantium
A Random DayA Random Day 16 Dec 2017 10:00
in discussion SCP Chat / Users » quantium

It’s a shame but his time was now.

Re: quantium by A Random DayA Random Day, 16 Dec 2017 10:00
Re: quantium
DrEverettMannDrEverettMann 16 Dec 2017 08:04
in discussion SCP Chat / Users » quantium

I guess we can't… see him.

Re: quantium by DrEverettMannDrEverettMann, 16 Dec 2017 08:04

Right. Looks like we have no major opposition to the policy in its present form. It's going to the users next. As mentioned earlier, I'm going to put a two-week deadline on that thread to give everyone plenty of time to look it over.

I think its own page is probably best, but we can go either way.

Re: quantium
ProcyonLotorProcyonLotor 16 Dec 2017 03:31
in discussion SCP Chat / Users » quantium

Trolling's a perma, no matter how sad or ineffectual.

Re: quantium by ProcyonLotorProcyonLotor, 16 Dec 2017 03:31
quantium
Tuomey TombstoneTuomey Tombstone 16 Dec 2017 03:24
in discussion SCP Chat / Users » quantium

Not sure what ban length to use here

quantium by Tuomey TombstoneTuomey Tombstone, 16 Dec 2017 03:24

I'd figured it'd be its own page but linked from the site rules? It could be appended to the site rules either.

How does one earn such a privilege

Where would this be posted? Would it be its own policy page or appended to an existing one?


Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!

There's only ten hours left for people to suggest edits or bring up issues before we take it to the users.

New site member Dr SiamesDr Siames (account age and site membership 3 days) recently posted the following (and they have no other posts):

Yesterday: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-79819/scp-166#post-3651368 (post titled, "Curiosity of mine…")

I am curious how 166 would interact with another SCP of humanoid form. I'm not saying she should be put in a room with them, but maybe just allow viewing and see what might happen. It would be interesting to see if some SCPs might be affected by her power. If this proved to have results, perhaps that could mean the power extends beyond humans.

Today: http://www.scp-wiki.net/the-things-dr-bright-is-not-allowed-to-do-at-the-foundation/comments/show#post-3652077 (post title, "Thought of some more while reading Series 1")

- Dr. Bright is not allowed to attempt a 'blind date' with SCP-166.
1. She said no anyway.
2. She also doesn't want to meet 682 any other SCP.
3. Dr. Bright is not her 'official feeder' either. (She says NO!)

For the record, SCP-166 is the teenage succubus.

Keep an eye on.

Non-Disc Record - Dr Siames by ZynZyn, 15 Dec 2017 06:45

It's just copy-paste, but you gotta earn the ascii butterfly privileges

Re: Junior Staff Appointments by ZynZyn, 15 Dec 2017 06:04

…so, Agent MinecartAgent Minecart (account age 346 days, site membership 1 day) recently posted the following in the Introductions forum (Readers thread):

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-4399744/december-2017-intros-readers#post-3652316

Howdy y'all, I'm Dr. Minecart (real name classified as for actual security reasons). I got into the SCPF on Roblox about, eh, two years ago. I became a researcher in the Science department, eventually becoming a nurse (DNS, since I was a Resident of Robloxian General and Zurich Surgery Clinic). Research has always been my jam, and I'm glad to be apart of your site. If you need research done for your articles you are writing, ask me and you'll have a full report in your mailbox in a week or so, depending on if I'm in school or not. Thanks.

Given that their wikidot "about" section reads:

[BEGIN LOG] AGENT 70146634 [AKA DR. MINECART]; SPECIAL CONTAINMENT PROCEDURES FOUNDATION [SCPF]; LEVEL-3; STATUS: UNKNOWN; DIVISION: SCIENCE DEPARTMENT [RESEARCHER] BASE: CLASSIFIED [END LOG]

probably should keep an eye out for any further cluelessness. I definitely don't want any new authors PMing this person for "research help" until it's been established that they know what they're talking about and can actually help with clinical writing (which doesn't seem like the case here).

Non-Disc Record - Agent Minecart by ZynZyn, 15 Dec 2017 05:19
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