Warned repeatedly for being irritatingly emo, and then continuing to do it some more while claiming he was joking. He's had repeated warnings; any more and we should start with the kicks.
He's had more than his fair share of warnings and plenty of informal "please don't"
He shouldn't get more than one kick for continuation of this trend before we move to tempbans
Reference O5 thread: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-778825/bennings
Yesterday I had a one on one conversation with Bennings, detailed below (posted now with permission from Bennings).
18:22 Bennings Can I ask you something?
18:22 CryogenChaos Whatcha need?
18:24 Bennings Well, I'm obviously 'bout to be banned now, and I'm seriously asking this: Why exactly is self-deprecation regarded as such a bad thing?
18:27 Bennings If you don't wanna answer or anything, that's fine. Sorry for your time.
18:27 CryogenChaos It's not self-depreciation by itself. Everyone here has had bad days, days where they feel like shit and don't have anything nice to say about themselves. The problem is that for you, you were doing it /all/ the time! And in this context, the problem stems from what it consistently appears that you're doing: asking members of the community to join in
18:27 CryogenChaos When you say that your draft is shit and you're a terrible writer and oh woe is me, you're asking for one of two things from the community
18:27 CryogenChaos You're either asking them to make you feel better by saying "No, that's wrong, you're good!", which would be fine if you didn't immediately turn around and keep saying how much you suck
18:28 CryogenChaos Or you're asking them to agree, asking people to attack you and say "Yes, you're a pathetic waste of space", which at best annoys people and at worst makes them so uncomfortable that they don't want to talk to you
18:28 CryogenChaos And when you're consistently talking to people, you're basically forcing yourself on us and asking us to tell you that you suck
18:29 CryogenChaos Photo's remark of joking about it being bad was because, for you, it's not /ever/ entirely a joke, or at least as far as we know
18:29 CryogenChaos We know nothing about you, so we have no room to judge where these self-depreciating remarks about yourself come from
18:29 CryogenChaos But when you're talking to the community, as dickish as it is to say, keep it to yourself
18:30 CryogenChaos And you're not about to be banned, but if you keep this up you /will/ be
18:30 CryogenChaos Do you want that? Do you want to be banned from the site?
18:30 Bennings No.
18:30 CryogenChaos Then please, I ask you, /please/ don't keep doing this to yourself, to everyone
18:30 CryogenChaos Find the good in yourself, or if you can't then don't air it out for everyone to see
18:31 Bennings Alright. Can I just explain why I do it?
18:31 CryogenChaos I don't see why not, go for it
18:32 Bennings Well, I have two reasons basiclly. First is just venting. Better to insult myself instead of anyone else, right?
18:32 Bennings Second was a failed attempted a humor.
18:33 CryogenChaos If you have problems with users, it's honestly better to just step away from the chat for awhile. If you have to vent about something in your life, by all means vent
18:33 CryogenChaos I mean, people vent about stuff in their lives all the time
18:33 CryogenChaos We understand if you need to let off some steam
18:33 CryogenChaos As for the second part, I understand failed attempts at humor
18:33 Bennings Fair enough
18:33 CryogenChaos But the key with failed attempts is that if it doesn't work once, it probably won't work eight more times
18:34 Bennings Alright. Thanks for your time
18:34 CryogenChaos You're very welcome.
18:34 Bennings Wait, just one more thing; did you actually know I'd already been warned?
18:35 CryogenChaos I admit, I did not
18:35 CryogenChaos That was my fault, and I apologize for the warning
18:35 Bennings Accepted. I apologize for my behavior.
18:36 CryogenChaos Accepted. Let this be a new start for the both of us.
18:37 Bennings Definitely agreeing with you on that.
18:37 Bennings See ya.
18:37 CryogenChaos See ya
After some mild flagellation earlier:
21:12 Bennings It reminds of this chat: Fun, when it's not telling me how I'm the worst human being ever
21:13 * Cranium is now known as Cranium[Away]
21:13 Devereaux hugs Bennings
21:13 Tuomey Bennings: No one has told you how you're the worst human being ever.
21:14 EdAWACS hugs devereaux
21:14 Bennings Only kidding.
21:14 Tuomey Please stop whipping yourself, or at least find a private room to do it in
21:14 Bennings Alright, sorry.
I move for a ban if he keeps it up because seriously what the hell
13:37 Bennings Are PMs recorded in any way?
13:38 Devereaux Also, I have a challenge.
13:38 —- Anaxagoras is back
13:38 Vince Bennings: everything is recorded somewhere, somehow. this is the internet
13:38 Vince .seen severe
13:38 Nala Vince: I last saw Severe at 2013-08-17 14:44:49 PDT (257 d 22 h 54 m 1 s ago) saying: Animation is great, and they managed to avoid/subvert most of the cliche anime tropes.
13:38 Devereaux Write a skip involving a statue, a reptile, and the Red Sea.
13:38 Vince :C
13:39 EdAWACS ………
13:39 Bennings I can't be punished for something I PMed to myself, right?
13:39 Vince Devereaux: why would we do that?
13:39 Mastersarge *sigh*
13:39 Vivax Write a reptilian statute found in a green ocean
13:39 Devereaux Just cause.
13:39 EdAWACS
13:39 Vivax In the mountains
13:39 Vince Bennings: you're going to have to explain that more clearly first, before anyone can tell you.
13:39 Vivax In Paris
13:39 Devereaux It's also the 3 highest rated articles.
13:40 Mastersarge Soulless is the one who gives us gruesome challanges.
13:40 Bennings I mean, if I PMed something to myself, would I ever get in trouble if it /hypothetically/ was against the rules?
13:40 Mastersarge lol
13:40 EdAWACS bennings ?????
13:40 Vince how did you pm it to yourself ? and why do you think that would get you in trouble?
13:40 dexandroid Soul gives us awesome challenges
13:40 EdAWACS actually i tried that on here
13:40 Zyn Bennings: I don't think you /can/ PM yourself?
13:40 Porygon-Z it's only recorded by yourself if you PM yourself
13:40 Bennings How do /not/ PM yourself?
13:40 EdAWACS you can actually Pm yourself
13:41 Zyn .tell Zyn Test.
13:41 Nala sighs disappointedly at Zyn.
13:41 Zyn Nope.
13:41 Porygon-Z it's /query <name>
13:41 Mastersarge Like I said. Gruesome. They are awesome but they are gruesome because oh how much of a hard time did I have with that
13:41 Bennings No, I mean like, private channel
13:41 Vivax Bennings will you stop being stupid?
13:41 Vivax You can't PM yourself.
13:41 Vivax The question is /entirely pointless/
13:41 Zyn Bennings: You can't store a PM.
13:41 Porygon-Z Vivax: yes tyou can, it's called a query
13:41 Vivax Stop wasting out time.
13:41 Zyn You can "talk" to yourself
13:41 Vivax *our
13:41 Zyn but you can't send a private message and have it sit there.
13:41 Bennings Sorry.
13:41 Zyn Vivax, chill?
13:41 * Bennings quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)**
I think that if/when a ban is implemented, someone should take him aside and explain a bit instead of just punting him out.
I don't know what to say to him
I mean…
"Stop beating yourself up"
"I'M SO SORRY I MUST BE THE WORST PERSON"
Incident regarding a draft in 19, posting for weizhong (who handled it well, I think).
Original incident:
[14:47:24] <Bennings> Right, is anyone going to actually answer the question?
[14:47:30] <Eskobear> to hit the Nine Points and take all of the enemy's hit points away
[14:47:37] <Bennings> Rather than just saying the question is stupid?
[14:47:37] <Eskobear> bennings, i have no idea what the question one
[14:47:39] <PsycheDuck> No, because both are "been there done that"
[14:47:43] <Eskobear> unless it applied to gyroscopes
[14:47:46] <weizhong> .au PsycheDuck
[14:47:47] <Nala> weizhong: Sorry, I couldn't find any authors by that name.
[14:47:50] <PsycheDuck> Cliches, and Iris, cover both
[14:48:03] <PsycheDuck> Not by me, I haven't written anything yet
[14:48:08] <PsycheDuck> (for this site)
[14:48:11] <weizhong> PsycheDuck: I'm gonna have to ask you to stop speaking so authoritatively
[14:48:16] <Bennings> PsycheDuck: When has there been a fucking photo calling people assholes? WHEN?
[14:48:25] <weizhong> Bennings: Calm down man
[14:48:36] * Bennings rage state
[14:48:42] <PsycheDuck> Why is that SPECIFICALLY the one thing that is needed to make it the same?
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[14:48:46] <weizhong> PsycheDuck: If you haven't written anything for the site yet, please don't speak in hard absolutes like that.
[14:48:53] <PsycheDuck> Kk
[14:49:08] <Djoric> Bennings: there are plenty of other things that call people assholes
[14:49:14] <Djoric> it's not by nature interesting
[14:49:17] <TheGreekOwl> http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1401209819451.jpg
[14:49:22] <weizhong> Also, you should note that you're not a writer yet. We don't want inexperienced people accidentally giving out bad advice
[14:49:39] <Bennings> It's only going to be a small part of the skip, alright. Not the main focus by any means.
[14:49:40] <PsycheDuck> Alright
[14:50:00] <PsycheDuck> Still don't understand why that's so important then?
[14:50:13] <Eskobear> Okay, but…if the small part of the skip is boring, cliche, or generally unappealing, you should want it to not be in your skip.
[14:50:15] <Athena_Grey> TheGreekOwl Is that Jesus' "COOL I'M IN A ZOMBIE MOVIE" face? :P
[14:50:23] * Eskobear keeps using "skip" even though he hates that shit
[14:51:36] <Bennings> Would it be more helpful if I just showed you what I was talking about?
[14:51:50] <PsycheDuck> …Sure?
[14:51:52] <Eskobear> It certainly couldn't hurt.
[14:52:08] <Eskobear> It generally wouldn't hurt for any idea.
[14:52:16] <Echo> http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1401274154163.jpg
[14:52:19] <Bennings> http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/bennings Tab 2, still a WIP.
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[14:53:05] <Djoric> you got bigger issues than what you were implying
[14:53:28] <Djoric> the core idea is very iffy
[14:54:04] <Bennings> So I should just bin it, then?
[14:54:17] <PsycheDuck> It's not really very detailed yet, I can't even form an opinion on it…
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[14:57:36] <PsycheDuck> Awkward siiiiilence
[14:57:59] <Bennings> What needs to be more detailed?
[14:58:06] <Echo> Bennings: Probably. I mean, if you're honestly at a point where you're asking yourself
[14:58:10] <Echo> "Should I set this on fire"
[14:58:16] <Echo> The answer is probably "yes"
[14:58:21] <Echo> Build something new to replace it
[14:58:41] <Eskobear> unrelated
[14:58:49] <Eskobear> "D-34598 is to retrieve 1ML of SCP-XXXX-2 using a pipette and deposit it on the bible."
[14:58:51] <Echo> SO do it.
[14:58:54] <Echo> Burn it.
[14:59:00] <Echo> Burn it all to the ground.
[14:59:04] <Eskobear> "one megaliter"
[14:59:10] <Eskobear> that bible is getting /wet/
[14:59:14] <Echo> lol
[14:59:24] <Echo> Not just that, Eskobear
[14:59:30] <Echo> A 1 ML pipette
[14:59:32] <PsycheDuck> Bennings: The description mostly. It's uh… kinda… bland. You leave everything up to the testing logs.
[15:00:04] <Eskobear> 1ML pipette, carried by helicopter, I assume
[15:00:31] * Bennings fires 3000 AT-4s at the draft
[15:00:37] <PsycheDuck> It also is a bit of an oxymoron. It's too big to call a pipette, don't ya think Eskobear?
[15:00:51] <Djoric> It is a stolen pipette from the giants
[15:00:57] <PsycheDuck> XD
[15:01:01] <Echo> 2.2 pounds…
[15:01:05] <Eskobear> maxipipe
[15:01:15] <Tuomey> Bennings: Asking "should I just bin it" is never going to get you an answer that you'll like
[15:01:27] <Echo> 2200 pounds of water
[15:01:40] <Bennings> Yeah, but it's a question I kinda have to ask.
[15:01:54] <Echo> 263.7 gallons
[15:01:58] <Tuomey> It's either going to be people saying "oh, I didn't mean like that" and trying to calm you down or people saying "fuck this, do what you like"
[15:03:02] <Echo> Hmmm
[15:03:10] <PsycheDuck> Well I don't ASK if I want to "burn" an idea if I think it's no longer worth doing.
[15:03:10] <Bennings> Well, I kinda have to know if they think it's redeemable or not.
[15:03:15] <Echo> Enough to fill a water bowl up a little over half
[15:03:31] <Echo> 65%
[15:03:39] <PsycheDuck> I just dramatically throw the papers up in the air and stomp off
[15:03:43] <Eskobear> That's not how it works, though.
[15:03:43] <Tuomey> Bennings: you ask it every time anyone says something even slightly negative about a draft
[15:03:45] <Tuomey> You know
[15:03:51] <Echo> Eskobear: Contrary to my initial reaction, it doesn't seem like TOO much water
[15:04:03] <Tuomey> Harry Potter has some problems with plot holes and character development
[15:04:06] <Echo> A surprising amount given the original statement
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[15:04:07] <Eskobear> You can work to redeem it and it can maybe work or not, but we cant tell you whether it's "redeemable"
[15:04:11] <Echo> But not all that much on the whole.
[15:04:26] <Eskobear> it is
[15:04:44] <Tuomey> Look at my last statement and find the word "irredeemable"
[15:05:11] <Djoric> but, sometimes redemption of ideas involves complete and total overhaul
[15:05:16] <Eskobear> suffice it to say, that bible will not be acceptable for use in any service in most churches
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[15:05:31] <PsycheDuck> Echo: A jerry can is only 20 liters.
[15:05:35] <Tuomey> The worst case scenario of working on an idea that fails anyway is that you get some practice writing.
[15:05:47] <Eskobear> though for most Atlantian Orthodox Rite services, that's actually not wet /enough/
[15:06:05] <PsycheDuck> XD
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[15:06:21] <PsycheDuck> Are they those guys who like, nearly drown people when they baptise them?
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[15:06:46] <Keiya> Oh wikidot. "Schools - Teachers - Parents" is NOT a wiki you should be pimping om 231.
[15:06:49] * PsycheDuck slaps self for using the word "like" in that way.
[15:07:18] <Bennings> Tuomey: But I'm not getting one single complaint about how the rules of Quidditch are stupid, I'm getting complaints about how the core idea is bad.
[15:07:22] <Veldi> What exactly is SCP-1984?
[15:07:36] <Veldi> I'm afraid that I didn't understand it that well when I tried to read it.
[15:07:48] <PsycheDuck> .gui SCP-1984
[15:07:48] <Nala> PsycheDuck: I'm sorry, I couldn't find any guides by that name.
[15:07:53] <PsycheDuck> Oops
[15:07:54] <PsycheDuck> Ummm
[15:08:01] <Veldi> SCP-1984
[15:08:02] <Nala> Veldi: Dead Hand (rating: +163, 7 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1984
[15:08:08] <PsycheDuck> I'm still figuring out Nala's commands. :P
[15:08:19] <Huitzil> I dunno but if scp-1985 isn't an anomalous human who brings back springsteen and madonna, I will be very disappointed
[15:08:35] <Athena_Grey> SCP-1985
[15:08:36] <Nala> Athena_Grey: Recovered K-Class Scenario Research Device (rating: +101, 25 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1985
[15:08:41] <Athena_Grey> well
[15:09:04] <Athena_Grey> Huitzil 1985 is certainly one of my favourite skip *ever*, at least :P
[15:09:17] <Djoric> Oh yeah
[15:09:19] <Djoric> 1985
[15:09:20] <Keiya> I'm going to make a guess: it's related to Soviet nuclear defense
[15:09:23] <Djoric> Didn't like that one much
[15:09:24] <PsycheDuck> I'm personally fond of 1981.
[15:09:25] <Bennings> I mean, as of yet no-one's actually said a single part of it was not terrible.
[15:09:38] <Huitzil> nope
[15:09:41] <Deimos> Oh look 1934 is up for grabs
[15:09:46] <weizhong> .nala
[15:09:46] <weizhong> Mertvaya Rukh
[15:09:47] * Nala is a version 2.34 AnnaBot created by Aelanna (last updated 2014-03-05), currently indexing 2,315 articles, 210 supplementary pages, 866 unused slots, 1,318 tales, 30 guides, and 31 essays by 672 authors as of 2014-05-31 08:08:15 PDT (10 m 13 s ago).
[15:09:54] <Tuomey> Bennings: I'm /pretty/ sure I told you I liked the idea
[15:10:00] <PsycheDuck> Oh wait, no, not 1981
[15:10:00] <Keiya> Dead Hand is a real thing, designed to automatically launch a counterattack. Rusia refuses to say whether it's still active or not, so it probably is
[15:10:01] <PsycheDuck> Errrr
[15:10:07] <PsycheDuck> Forgot the number. .3.
[15:10:11] <Hexi|Aspire> installed kitkat on deaf gf's phone… the new vibe scared her XD
[15:10:13] <Huitzil> has not rocked out to Wham!, nor planned to shake her ass on the hood of whitesnake's car
[15:10:24] <Huitzil> disappointment
[15:10:28] <Bennings> Did you? Huh. Sorry for missing that.
[15:10:37] <DrUnderwood> !scp-1981
[15:10:37] <Nala> DrUnderwood: "RONALD REAGAN CUT UP WHILE TALKING" (rating: +647, 25 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1981
[15:10:45] <PsycheDuck> Oh wait
[15:10:46] <Veldi> SCP-1983
[15:10:47] <Nala> Veldi: Doorway to Nowhere (rating: +371, 17 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1983
[15:10:48] <PsycheDuck> Yes 1981
[15:10:54] <Veldi> It's the Heartless!
[15:10:57] * weizhong has kicked Bennings because Stop talking about how terrible your draft is. We're not here to listen to that.
Weizhong's conversation with Bennings after the kick (which was late due to weizhong lagging)
<Bennings> What was that for?
<weizhong> There was serious lag on my part
<Bennings> I had stopped going on about it for five minutes.
<weizhong> I intended to kick you right after you said that nobody didn't say that your draft wasn't terrible
<weizhong> No, that was my lag
<weizhong> Apologies for that.
<weizhong> But you need to stop kicking yourself over every single stpe
<weizhong> If your draft doesn't work perfectly.
<Bennings> I wasn't.
<weizhong> It sounded like it to a lot of staff members.
<Bennings> …Who else? Cause last time I checked, it was just you who kicked me.
<weizhong> Bennings, to be perfectly honest, this is part of something that a lot of people have seen you do many times.
<weizhong> Even when you're trying not to do these thigns
<weizhong> It can come off that way
<weizhong> Simply because you've done these things in th epast.
<weizhong> It was something that has been discussed in SSSC
<Bennings> Right, so basically it's alright for everyone else to say it's shit, but if I agree with them, it's suddenly against the rules?
<weizhong> No, that's not the issue here.
<weizhong> The issue is repeatedly talking about that.
<Bennings> I said it once.
<weizhong> Like I said, this is something that appears to be part of a larger trend of things that you've done in the past.
<weizhong> Which makes things come off in a bad light.
<weizhong> And you said it multiple tmies.
<Bennings> Did anyone say it wasn't bad? No.
<weizhong> You're missing the point here.
<weizhong> The point is, you've come off as someone who keeps this policy of self-flagellation whenever your drafts don't succeed
<weizhong> WHich is unhealthy for you as a writer, and for the rest of the chat to listen to that.
<weizhong> We're trying to tell you to not do that kind of thing.
<Bennings> Yeah, but everything I said was true, wasn't it?
<weizhong> Yes, it's technically true
<weizhong> But the way that you phrase it sounds unhealthy.
<Bennings> Right, so because it was phrased a bit differently than to what was actually said, = kick?
<weizhong> No, because it's indicative of a much larger trend of bad things = kick
<Bennings> Right, so one solitary comment every month or so= trend?
<weizhong> It's happened more frequently than that.
<Bennings> Not really.
<weizhong> I am not interested in arguing the finer points of your chat behavior, which has been thoroughly logged
<weizhong> And has been mentioned to you before on different occasions
<weizhong> You can read your O5 thread if you'd like to see the logged record.
<weizhong> I am merely informing you that you need to stop beating yourself up over every mistake or negatively received draft.
<Bennings> I'll admit I've done it in the past, but none of that was really emoing…. at all, really.
<weizhong> Like I said, your reputation makes things come off in a bad light.
<weizhong> If you want to shed this kind of reputation, you need to work on proving people wrong about you.
<weizhong> We don't condone shittalking here. Even if that shittalking is to yourself.
<Bennings> But everything I said was already said to me by everyone else. Why do they all get off scot-free?
<weizhong> Everyone else told you that they had issues with your draft, which is perfectly fine
<weizhong> You repeatedly beating yourself up over the draft is not fine.
<weizhong> When it gets out of hand, staff will call people out on it
<Bennings> Twice?
<weizhong> As I've said, this is part of your reputation.
<Bennings> How was that getting out of hand?
<weizhong> Getting out of hand is referring to other people's critique
<Bennings> So, tell me, what is my "Reputation"?
<weizhong> I told PsycheDuck to stop when they were out of hand.
<weizhong> Your reputation is the various issues that you've been called out for in the past
<weizhong> And which are documented on your O5 thread.
<Bennings> No, don't just say "Oh it's over here", explain to me, in your own words, what my "Reputation" is?
<weizhong> As I've explained to you in this chat, you have a reputation for kicking yourself whenever people don't like your drafts.
<weizhong> This kind of self-flagellation is unhealthy.
<weizhong> Repeatedly beating yourself up over bad drafts is not healthy for creative development
<Bennings> For what, doing it twice? If I was "Beating myself up" it would have probably gone "I'm fucking useless at this I'm such and idiot",not "No-one said anything good about it, why should I work on it?"
<weizhong> This is not something that you've done only twice.
<weizhong> This is something that you have done many, many times
<weizhong> Which, like I said, are documented on your O5 thread.
<weizhong> Which is documented here
<weizhong> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-778825
<weizhong> And here
<weizhong> http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-833824
<weizhong> Also, pointing out a more drastic example of self-flagellation does not mean your original action wasn't out of hand.
<Bennings> Yeah, I'm only actually seeing two or three there.
<weizhong> You have two separate threads that deal with this.
<weizhong> And many incidents in both.
<Bennings> Right,so there's the post Cryo gave, the emoing Photo said, and then Toumey's chat snippet, plus now. That's four.
<weizhong> If you had to be officially warned about it, and posted in an O5 thread
<weizhong> That means that it was significant
<weizhong> And indicative of some pattern or notable quality
<weizhong> These are only the most serious examples that warranted actual action.
<Bennings> So you don't actually know of any more examples?
<weizhong> I don't have any more examples on record
<weizhong> I have memory of other incidents.
<weizhong> But I cannot link them to you, because they were not logged.
<Bennings> Convenient. Anyway, has anyone else ever been banned for this?
<weizhong> We could comb through Lumberjack's logs if you wanted, and I can find many more examples.
<weizhong> Yes.
<Bennings> Who?
<weizhong> I do not have the entire history of bans memorized.
<weizhong> So I can't name one off the top of my head.
<Bennings> But you said you remember people were banned for this, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for them.
<weizhong> You asked if anyone has been banned for this.
<weizhong> I answered that yes, I believe that there have been people banned for it.
<weizhong> I am not a staff member, nor have I been on the site for a very long time.
<weizhong> Asking me of these incidents serves little purpose.
<Bennings> Mmm, kinda does though.
<weizhong> Just because I can't recall anyone who was banned for this off the top of my head doesn't mean that this has never happened before.
<Bennings> I never said that.
<weizhong> And even if this hadn't happened before, that doesn't mean that you can't be banned for it now.
<Bennings> So what you're basically saying is that, in five years, no-one has ever been as emoish as me?
<weizhong> I'm saying that I do not know of any examples off the top of my head, because I haven't been here for five years.
<weizhong> But if you keep arguing about this, we will be forced to take further disciplinary action.
<weizhong> This is something that there is broad consensus among staff about.
<Bennings> I'm only defending myself.
<weizhong> That there is a definite issue here.
<weizhong> There's a difference between defending yourself and refusing to see any wrong in what you've been doing.
<weizhong> This is crossing the line by a long distance.
<Bennings> I admitted I was emoish in the past, I'm saying that /today/ I didn't do anything.
<weizhong> As I explained to you, this is because your reputation makes things appear in a bad light.
<weizhong> With other users, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
<weizhong> But in this case, it seems that you're simply falling in line with your original reputation.
<weizhong> I am not interested in debating this any further.
<Bennings> So, basically, you're saying, had someone else done the exact same thing I'd done, you wouldn't even bother with them?
<weizhong> Yes, because in those cases, it would be an isolated incident.
<weizhong> THis is not.
<Bennings> Alright, at least you're honest about it. That still seems kinda broken though.
<weizhong> This is the same reason why we watch repeat offenders of crimes. They have a history of doing certain things, so anything that they do in the future will be considered in the exact same light.
<weizhong> This conversation is closed.
<weizhong> I have little interest in further arguing the minutiae of this point.
<Bennings> Alright, sorry then. See ya in a year.
<weizhong> I am only telling you that you have to improve your behavior.
<weizhong> You are not banned.
<Bennings> Oh.
<Bennings> OH.
<weizhong> If you continue arguing, you might be.
<weizhong> In fact, in light of this incident, staff may choose to implement a temporary ban anyways.
<Bennings> So I am banned.
<weizhong> As of now, no.
<weizhong> But you might be. I am not staff, and I have little say in choosing what goes on, disciplinary wise.
<weizhong> As I've stated before, this conversation is closed. Try to argue this point again, and I will personally ban you.
He's been warned for this self-flagellation, multiple times.
He has been kicked for this, multiple times.
He has had the issue explained to him in no uncertain terms, multiple times.
He shows no signs of improvement. How many chances are we going to give him?
Recommending 24 hour.
On agreement from Weizhong, myself, Tuomey, Flameshirt, and ProcyonLotor, and with dissent from Wogglebug, Bennings was given a 24-hour ban based on the earlier events in chat combined with their previous record of similar behavior. Weizhong has informed them via Wikidot PM, as they were not in chat at the time the ban was enacted. Message sent by Wei to bennings (as conveyed by him to us in chat) read:
You have been banned from chat for 24 hours following the incident today. This was a staff decision. At 1:15 EST, 6/1/2014, you will be unbanned from chat. The incident in question: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-833824/bennings#post-2042844. If you have any questions, or if you'd like to appeal your ban, you may come into #site17, or appeal to/talk directly to thedeadlymoose, the chat owner.
I'd like to point out that while I've loudly and repeatedly argued that sass or attitude towards either ops or staff should not be actionable either in chat or on the wiki, I'm not gonna lie; the unbelievably argumentative and nearly inquisitorial attitude he took during the whole conversation with Weizhong, who was trying very hard to be polite and helpful, sometimes against the advisement of staff who told him to blow Bennings off at several points in the conversation in response to his attitude, very much helped me decide to support this ban. There's no need for anyone to have to put up with that shit.
I think either no ban or a short ban is merited, so if ops want a short ban, sure.
Holy shit the level of denial in those logs.
Please note, though, that temporary ops shouldn't be voting on finalizing bans. ;) (Though weighing in to agree or disagree is okay.)
Another minor bout of self-deprecation
<Bennings> Need draft looked at please. http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/bennings tabs 1 and 3.
- Piefish is now known as Nixon
- Nixon is now known as Piefish
- Nix is now known as Bryx
- Devereaux is now known as nick
- thattoweringfellow is now known as Riemann
- Bryx is now known as Schtix
- nick is now known as Devereaux
- Schtix is now known as Bryx
<Deimos> Wtf
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<Bennings> I also did a poster on the third one because I'm probably mentally ill.
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<%Piefish> Deimos
<%Piefish> Ssssssssshhhhh it's over now
<&Kens|Labwork> Sleep.
<&Kens|Labwork> Sleeeeep
- %Piefish strokes Deimos' head
<Bennings> http://scpsandbox2.wdfiles.com/local--files/bennings/The%20Thing%20Foundation%20II.png
- Deimos cannot sleep now because you flipped my overdrive button
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<tahugamin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrmgzC7u_oE
<%Alexandra> tahugamin: Mass Effect 3: Citadel DLC - Wrex, Grunt, and Shepard (x3) (Femshep) [Party Scene] - length 1m 0s - rated 4.93/5.0 (116) - 9 877 views - churenn on 2013.03.08
<%Piefish> Love that DLC
<Deimos> Bennings: Could use a bit more dontcha think?
<%Piefish> Best DLC
<tahugamin> "Shepard." "Wrex." "SHepard!" "Grunt."
<Bennings> 6000 words and a crappy poster is better than anything else I've done, which is kinda sad.
<Deimos> Bennings have you seen this Thing poster? http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrykjtzmzX1qe2w1uo1_1280.jpg
<%Piefish> "He said 'I should go'. Do I sound like that?"
<Bennings> Yeah, it's better than mine in basically every single way.
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<Deimos> Its not meant to put you down
<Dr_Leonard> 'Ello.
<Bennings> Oh hai.
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<Insidious_Lars> tahugamin, SPEHARD?
<Insidious_Lars> WREX
<tahugamin> SHEPARD!
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<%Piefish> Grunt
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<Schrodinger> I should go…
<Bennings> Deimos: My orginal plan was to have a hand sticking up from the bottom, the arm heavily mutated but with the hand normal. Then I realized I cannot draw anything.
<Deimos> Did you at least try?
<Bennings> Yeah, but it just looked really stupid.
<tahugamin> Piefish: Ah yes, "Citadel DLC". We have dismissed those claims.
<Deimos> Are you planning to emulate minimalist style?
<&Kens|Labwork> (my style)
<Bennings> I guess. Kens|Labwork, you're good at these, what do you think of it?
<&Kens|Labwork> I'm at work.
<&Kens|Labwork> So I can't click on those links.
Warned him in PMs to stop, or next time would be a kick. He apologized.
Logging this primarily out of confusion, secondarily out of the worry that this might become a regular Thing and I'd prefer if other users aren't affected by it
00:18 | tunagamin | Hexi: No really how is that hat staying on |
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00:18 | Hexi | no one |
00:19 | tunagamin | …Eh? |
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00:20 | Tuomey | no one, tunagamin |
00:20 | tunagamin | No one /what/? |
00:20 | Tuomey | just no one |
00:20 | Bennings | Tuomey: Listing your friends again? |
00:21 | tunagamin grabs Tuomey and Hexi | |
00:21 | tunagamin | what do you MEEAAAAANNNN |
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00:21 | Tuomey uses Bennings to show a powerpoint presentation | |
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00:22 | Some_Potato | borp |
00:22 | Some_Potato | LordSalvage, crudeoil |
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00:22 | Bennings | Tuomey: What does that even mean |
00:22 | Bennings | Some_Potato: Hai |
00:22 | Some_Potato | soap, brakefluid |
00:22 | Some_Potato | hai |
00:22 | Tuomey | Bennings: it means you're projecting pretty hard |
00:23 | Tuomey | and I might as well make use of it |
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00:23 | Bennings | Tuomey: Why are you always so passive aggressive towards me? |
00:23 | LordDeath | Someone mentioned my name. Did I miss something? |
00:24 | Tuomey | Bennings: don't start banter if you can't take what you dish out |
00:24 | Metaphysician narrows eyes. | |
00:24 | tunagamin | Passive aggressive vs aggressive |
00:24 | tunagamin | Apparently the former wins! |
00:24 | tunagamin | :P |
00:24 | Bennings | Tuomey: I'm just saying, you're like this with me all the time regardless of what I've said beforehand anyway. |
00:25 | etherealize | So I'm working on my first SCP |
00:25 | etherealize | Like, largely done |
00:25 | etherealize | but I'm pretty sure it's awful |
00:26 | Bennings | Tuomey: Being serious, do you have a problem with me? |
00:26 | Fiesta | etherealize: who knows! Maybe it's awesome :D |
00:26 | LordSalvage | It should probably be something that would be disturbing/uncomftorbale for the person in question (a general who caused sent his son into battle may get his skull with a parchment in his mouth saying you sent him to his death) |
00:26 | Fiesta | You'll only know once you get it reviewed :P |
00:26 | LordSalvage | Im open to any changes on it. |
00:27 | Tuomey | Bennings: Well, you seem to interpret my actions as having hidden meaning or malicious intent when I'm typically just fucking around |
00:27 | Tuomey | Other than that, no |
tl;dr: he opened with what I assumed was a friendly joke, I responded in kind, and he suddenly thinks I'm always passive-aggressive to him, I guess.
His "by-request" ban got logged here when it should have been in this thread. He joined #site19 and then got directed to #site17:
[16:44] | Bennings | Hai |
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[16:44] | @Decibelle | heya |
[16:44] | @Dr_Kens | Yo yo |
[16:44] | @Soulless | Soup |
[16:44] | Ricky | hello |
[16:44] | Bennings | Okay, can I request my ban be moved forward to the 27th? |
[16:45] | @Decibelle | yes |
[16:45] | Bennings | Thanks |
[16:45] | @Decibelle | youd like it to be lifted after that? |
[16:45] | Bennings | Yup |
[16:45] | @Decibelle | will do |
[16:45] | Bennings | 27th May |
[16:45] | @Decibelle | gotcha! |
[16:45] | Bennings | Okay, thanks |
[16:45] | Bennings | Bye |
[16:45] | @Decibelle | see ya |
So the ban is moved from June 6th to May 27th. I figure that since Bennings has a thread, I'd post the meat of the content here instead of the Non-Disciplinary Ban thread. I would also like to say that, by this point, Bennings has had a good number of warnings for chat behavior (in chronological order, this thread and here). He should be regarded as being on thin ice when he rejoins.