BearJonny

Summary:

creeper

BearJonny

RJB_R 17 Jan 2014 21:22

Was being creepy in a sidechat, and banned there. He then proceeded to try and bring the ban up in 19…

[16:10:42] <Azzleflux> TO D-D-D-D-D
[16:10:44] <Azzleflux> D-D-D-D-DEX
[16:10:54] * kwyjibo (~obij.ywk|obijywk#obij.ywk|obijywk) has joined
[16:10:59] <BearJonny> ughhhhh
[16:11:20] <BearJonny> I admit I have headmates and i get banned
[16:11:57] <Tuomey> Actually, otherkin are perfectly accepted
[16:11:59] <Soulless> !showtells
[16:12:15] <Roget> BearJonny, do not whine about being banned in a sidechat, please
[16:12:16] <Tuomey> Stating that you think you're likely to murder someone, not so much
[16:12:43] <FortuneFavorsBold> :L
[16:13:11] <Roget> BearJonny, if you have complaints, take it to the ops of that channel in a PM. Not here.
[16:13:20] <Djoric> HOW BOUT THEM SCIPS
[16:13:36] <Vince|Netflix> Djoric: they suck. Ur turrible
[16:13:37] <AndarielHalo> headmates?
[16:14:03] <Dexanote> oh boy
[16:14:27] <Roget> AndarielHalo, we're moving on
[16:14:37] <Blaroth> Dem skips
[16:14:40] <Blaroth> HEY
[16:14:44] <BearJonny> I'm not likely to murder someone
[16:14:45] <Blaroth> are there any new ones?
[16:14:45] * You are now known as Scotty
[16:14:54] * You are now known as Roget
[16:15:09] <Roget> BearJonny, this is an op order to stop and move on
[16:15:12] <DrUnderwood> I fucking hate Skips.
[16:15:14] <Roget> we're done with this line of conversation

Then he PMed me:
[16:16:36] <BearJonny> sorry I'm just being pigeonholed over something I kind of said in jest
[16:17:18] <Roget> You were being creepy and weird. Nothing you said before that made it seem like you were kidding
[16:18:42] <Roget> If you have anything else to say, bring it up with someone who banned you. I'm not going to be unbanning you.

He then proceeded to ban evade in the channel he was banned from, so I rebanned him. Just a warning to watch this guy.

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Re: BearJonny

Wogglebug 17 Jan 2014 23:17

What did he actually do to be creepy? Like, what was he banned for? All that I see here is that he tried to bring something up and was shot down, which is fine, but if we're being warned of his creepiness we need to know what the exact issue was.

Re: BearJonny

RJB_R 17 Jan 2014 23:29

It was in a private channel which we didn't want to post logs from, but you can contact Soulless for more detail.

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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!

OK Apparently I need to clarify this shit, even though this is side-channel stuff.

SoullessSingularity 17 Jan 2014 23:57

BearJonny sent some creepy PM's to a member of the side channel. Like "I-want-to-know-about-your-personal-TMI-life" creepy.

When he wasn't doing that, he claimed to be an otherkin of a murderer, complaining about his boredom pretty much within minutes of coming in, and when he was banned there for that behavior he went into site19 complaining about being banned for having a headmate… which isn't what he said at all. I don't have logs off-hand but he did a few other small things as well.

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Re: BearJonny

thedeadlymoose 18 Jan 2014 01:06

Since I nearly tore poor Roget's heart out for this on IRC because it looked like drama, lemme just point out —

If possible, please provide appropriately edited logs when warning of a user for this. Please also note that being creepy in side chats is one of the very, very, very few ways you can get banned in 19 for something you did outside 19, so yes, logs are relevant. Even if it's a private side chat, this information is relevant.

(Note: If it's a case of full-blown harassment, that's different, but this doesn't seem to be the case.)

I've investigated this matter and hopefully everything is cleared up IRC-side; I'm told logs (appropriately edited) will be forthcoming soon.

Re: BearJonny

FlameShirt 21 Jan 2014 19:37

Guy was doing a bunch of non-sequiturs and got in the way of draft discussions repeatedly.

logs with notes from ProcyonLotor who complied the logs and was there

(11:36:20 AM) BearJonny: moba is just a made up term
(11:36:28 AM) Xiao: Reach, post it up?
(11:36:30 AM) HexiHamaski: so is rpg and mmo
(11:36:35 AM) Reach: http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/reach Second tab, titled Plot
(11:36:46 AM) Reach: Thanks for your attention, gamers and non-gamers.
(11:36:47 AM) Reach: :3
(11:36:48 AM) BearJonny: i don't agree with that annalea
(11:36:50 AM) Xiao: Alright, guys.
(11:36:51 AM) Azzleflux: DID SOMEONE SAY DRAFT TIME
(11:36:53 AM) Xiao: Draft's up.
(11:37:00 AM) Annalea: If you're going to argue about LoL, go to #scplol or something
(11:37:02 AM) Reach: I did. Might have. Sorry?
(11:37:09 AM) *Reach is sorry. Maybe?
(11:37:13 AM) Annalea: Don't be sorry.
(11:37:15 AM) TheRaven: I had one, it's just that there really weren't any enemies huge enough to use it on in NV. And Broken Steel in 3 makes it redundant
(11:37:17 AM) Annalea: Others are being disruptive.
(11:37:18 AM) Annalea: HEY.
(11:37:19 AM) Annalea: DRAFT.
(11:37:57 AM) Annalea: "knew that as as soon"
(11:38:08 AM) Reach: Woops. Will correct.
(11:38:15 AM) BearJonny: lol is much more RPG than CS
(11:38:15 AM) BearJonny: lol isn't as RPG as wow
(11:38:15 AM) BearJonny: but it's more RPG than CS
(11:38:29 AM) Annalea: Xiao?
(11:38:31 AM) TroyL: Guys. I'm about to get out my kicking stick.
(11:38:34 AM) BearJonny left the room (Kicked by Xiao (Draft's up, don't disruopt)).
(11:38:47 AM) Annalea: .def poltroon
(11:38:48 AM) Nala: Annalea: poltroon (noun) - A base coward: "Every moment of the fashion industry's misery is richly deserved by the designers … and magazine poltroons who perpetuate this absurd creation” ( Nina Totenberg).
(11:38:53 AM) TroyL: I think he was lagging. He just posted three messages at the same time. No biggie, though.
(11:39:03 AM) Annalea: He wasn't.
(11:39:09 AM) Annalea: Or at least not enough to have missed my other warnings.
(11:39:11 AM) Annalea: But I digress.
(11:39:12 AM) HexiHamaski: ok word like that, upscrolling to click
(11:39:15 AM) HexiHamaski: i am interested
(11:39:18 AM) BearJonny [~PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim#PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim] entered the room.
(11:39:34 AM) Annalea: "By Martin's side there were Jones,"
(11:39:35 AM) Azzleflux: .def poltroon
(11:39:36 AM) Nala: Azzleflux: poltroon (noun) - A base coward: "Every moment of the fashion industry's misery is richly deserved by the designers … and magazine poltroons who perpetuate this absurd creation” ( Nina Totenberg).
(11:39:38 AM) Annalea: "there was", perhaps?
(11:39:38 AM) Valkryie: Good so far Xiao…
(11:39:48 AM) Xiao: It's not my draft.
(11:39:51 AM) Xiao: IT's Reach
(11:39:53 AM) Reach: There are two people in that infinite sentence that lasts a paragraph.
(11:39:54 AM) Annalea: And that's a really long run-on sentence
(11:39:57 AM) TroyL: "Special Agent Paulson"
(11:40:04 AM) Annalea: Ehhh.
(11:40:23 AM) Reach: Annalea: I know. I will cut it in two.
(11:40:26 AM) Annalea: you need to restructure that, then.
(11:40:27 AM) BearJonny: n e 1 elsed getting reall bad lag/?

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[NOTE FROM PROCYON WHO IS NOT A CHAT OP: This was apropos of absolutely nothing]
(11:57:36 AM) BearJonny: Bronyhoof!
(11:57:53 AM) Azzleflux: Reach: The latter
(11:57:59 AM) Blaroth: ….
(11:58:14 AM) Reach: Azzleflux: *Sigh* Okay, thanks anyways. : )
(11:58:27 AM) Silber: not to be confused with Ridley the space pirate, who was named after the director of Alien, which has the protagonist Ellen Ripley, who was a major inspiration for Samus
(11:58:32 AM) ProcyonLotor [tserof.eht|nooccar#tserof.eht|nooccar] entered the room.
(11:58:52 AM) Reach: Hello again, masked one.
(11:58:53 AM) Azzleflux: No problem
(11:59:29 AM) ProcyonLotor: Howdy reach!
(11:59:36 AM) BearJonny left the room (Kicked by ChanServ (Requested (Xiao))).

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(12:28:55 PM) BearJonny: all these b**ches know i get dough pop a n*gga slow like crisco
(12:28:57 PM) Annalea: Spike has a single-shot handgun thing that fired .50 BMG
(12:29:03 PM) Echo: http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/thunder50diagonalace.jpg
(12:29:11 PM) Echo: The Thunder .50
(12:29:11 PM) salvagebar: Who puts CROM in here if we don't need him, Echo ?
(12:29:15 PM) HexiHamaski: Annalea: that specifically is what i was thinking of
(12:29:20 PM) HexiHamaski: the .50 cal pistol
(12:29:25 PM) HexiHamaski: say goodby to your arm
(12:29:25 PM) Annalea: CROM does google image search
(12:29:27 PM) Annalea: Nala doesn't
(12:29:31 PM) DrUnderwood: It was Skynet Salvage
(12:29:33 PM) Scanclass [em.tnaw.uoy.t|ht.yas#em.tnaw.uoy.t|ht.yas] entered the room.
(12:29:40 PM) Annalea: To be specific
(12:29:41 PM) Echo: Nah
(12:29:42 PM) Annalea: Nala /could/
(12:29:45 PM) BearJonny: i'm southside i'll pop out oblock bring them glocks out…

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[NOTE FROM PROCYON WHO IS NOT A CHAT OP: He had been previously creeping on some of the people he bothers in this section in EC, to the point where he was banned from the channel]
(12:30:52 PM) Annalea: I gotta upversion Nala when Series 3 goes live anyways
(12:30:52 PM) Echo: HexiHamaski: Why?
(12:30:58 PM) DrRobWatson [~PI.DE4E55D2.6E1E4BE1.1707927C|diordnA#PI.DE4E55D2.6E1E4BE1.1707927C|diordnA] entered the room.
(12:31:01 PM) Annalea: so if you have any feature requests, speak now or forever hold your peace
(12:31:05 PM) HexiHamaski: because the last time i fired a 9mm
(12:31:08 PM) Reach: That's like abusing and booooo-ing at the same time?
(12:31:10 PM) HexiHamaski: my arm was sore for 4 weeks
(12:31:14 PM) Echo: …
(12:31:15 PM) Echo: What
(12:31:20 PM) Echo: A 9mm?
(12:31:23 PM) HexiHamaski: yeah
(12:31:26 PM) HexiHamaski: i'm a wuss ;.;
(12:31:26 PM) Annalea: Hexi, be like me and get a P232
(12:31:26 PM) DrRobWatson: Hey
(12:31:31 PM) BearJonny: Annalea: series 3? what's that
(12:31:32 PM) DrRobWatson: Wat
(12:31:34 PM) Annalea: cute lil girl guns
(12:31:37 PM) Annalea: :U
(12:31:41 PM) Echo: No, there's like… almost no impulse at all
(12:31:42 PM) HexiHamaski: i doubt i could fire anything stronger than a .22
(12:31:49 PM) Eskobear: reach: it's more like when you abuse things in the fashion of an ass, with the ass portion of a train being a "caboose"
(12:31:58 PM) HexiHamaski: >.> but 80lb footpound bow is comfy for me
(12:32:11 PM) Reach: Eskobear: … I stand corrected and in awe.
(12:32:16 PM) *Reach has much to learn.
(12:32:38 PM) HexiHamaski: spirit on the other hand loves big guns
(12:32:39 PM) HexiHamaski: >w>
(12:32:42 PM) HexiHamaski: fucking crazy newfie
(12:32:42 PM) spycrab [~ten.enilnotpo.nyd.51AEDE06-CRInys|alliztahc#ten.enilnotpo.nyd.51AEDE06-CRInys|alliztahc] entered the room.
(12:33:05 PM) TheRaven: I've never had a chance to fire anything bigger than a paintball gun (a horribly-designed one at that)
(12:33:19 PM) HexiHamaski: i made a spud launcher once
(12:33:22 PM) *Echo pats his MkXIX Eagle :D
(12:33:28 PM) Annalea: I have vague memories of having handled a .22 rifle at some point
(12:33:33 PM) Annalea: But I don't remember where or when
(12:33:37 PM) HexiHamaski: .22 rifles confuse me
(12:33:38 PM) BearJonny: who is spirit?
(12:33:39 PM) Echo: I got a rail installed on it :D
(12:33:45 PM) Annalea: So I chalk that up to being delusional and I just say that I've never fired a real gun
(12:33:49 PM) Annalea: Which is pretty accurate anyways
(12:33:51 PM) salvagebar: HexiHamaski do you even lift?
(12:33:57 PM) BearJonny: salvagebar: i do
(12:34:02 PM) HexiHamaski: salvagebar: i can pull an 80 pound compound bow
(12:34:03 PM) Echo: Annalea: I can now attach an undermount :>
(12:34:06 PM) BearJonny: trying to get bearmode
(12:34:07 PM) Annalea: >_>
(12:34:15 PM) HexiHamaski: thats the same as benching 120lbs
(12:34:21 PM) HexiHamaski: <w<
(12:34:27 PM) Eskobear: bearjonny: I don't know if you understand this yet, but nobody has spoken to you yet.
(12:34:35 PM) Blaroth left the room (quit: Client exited).
(12:34:40 PM) HexiHamaski: that is to say i can bench my own weight~
(12:34:41 PM) BearJonny: Eskobear: why not
(12:34:42 PM) Eskobear: You're interceding in conversations by just answering questions that weren't directed at you.
(12:34:46 PM) salvagebar: Echo what is going to be installed on that rail?
(12:34:49 PM) BearJonny left the room (Kicked by Echo (Let's burn those calories, and then burn the rest of you.)).
(12:34:53 PM) Eskobear: Because you're coming off as really, really weird.
(12:34:54 PM) Magnolia [PI.32735173.FEA7599C.37029073|tibbiM#PI.32735173.FEA7599C.37029073|tibbiM] entered the room.
(12:34:54 PM) Eskobear: AH FUCK
(12:34:56 PM) BearJonny [~PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim#PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim] entered the room.
(12:34:57 PM) salvagebar: undermounted slingshot?
(12:34:59 PM) Djoric: Holy fuck
(12:34:59 PM) BearJonny: orry
(12:35:01 PM) Djoric: Paranatural
(12:35:01 PM) BearJonny: sorry

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(Following Esko PMing him)
(12:41:16 PM) BearJonny: Ok it's come to my attention that I'm not well liked here
(12:41:18 PM) Echo: spycrab: What's the context?
(12:41:22 PM) Annalea: spycrab: In what context?
(12:41:27 PM) Blaroth: HexiHamaski: We don't shoot that moose.
(12:41:32 PM) Echo: Annalea: Jinx
(12:41:37 PM) Vivax: I wonder if the Foundation was behind BonziBuddy…
(12:41:37 PM) HexiHamaski: we're afraid to Blaroth
(12:41:44 PM) HexiHamaski: for all we know it would just make him angrier
(12:41:46 PM) spycrab: The person is there, and then they are immediately not there.
(12:41:51 PM) Annalea: BearJonny: You're just drawing that much more attention to yourself by pointing it out. Do you have no netiquette sense at all?

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(12:54:41 PM) BearJonny is now known as ChiefKeef
(12:54:50 PM) HexiHamaski: :I
(12:54:52 PM) Deloth: Should I try to get Wikidot to resend the email?
(12:54:52 PM) Annalea: My headcannon is a gyro-stabilized, thaumaturgically augmented 120mm skyship artillery gun.
(12:55:01 PM) salvagebar: Joreth because they bored
(12:55:09 PM) Reach: Annalea: (… I want one.)
(12:55:15 PM) Reach: Have a nice one.
(12:55:19 PM) Reach left the room (Saliendo).
(12:55:40 PM) Echo: ChiefKeef: You were banned from guntalk for acting like a moron. If you continue this, I'll just keep banning you from everywhere else as well.
(12:55:54 PM) ChiefKeef: Echo: I just got banned?
(12:55:56 PM) Echo: If you want to be accepted here, I'd suggest you stop with the non-sequitars and random nonsense.
(12:56:03 PM) HexiHamaski: reason # 1 i dont go into guntalk
(12:56:10 PM) HexiHamaski: echo would ban me for ignorance
(12:56:16 PM) HexiHamaski: sheeeer ignorance
(12:56:19 PM) ChiefKeef: I got banned for talking about glocks
(12:56:22 PM) Echo: HexiHamaski: Ignorance is welcome and accepted in guntalk.
(12:56:27 PM) HexiHamaski: man
(12:56:31 PM) HexiHamaski: its soooo much ignorance
(12:56:37 PM) HexiHamaski: ask me about bows of any kind
(12:56:38 PM) Echo: Stupidity is not.
(12:56:43 PM) HexiHamaski: guns? i'm a drooling idiot
(12:56:47 PM) Annalea: >.>
(12:56:49 PM) ChiefKeef: Echo: was what I did really a bad thing?
(12:56:54 PM) Annalea: I'm an armchair military history buff
(12:56:59 PM) Annalea: So I'm really no better
(12:57:02 PM) Echo: 13:54 BearJonny i'm southside i'll pop out oblock bring them glocks out…
(12:57:11 PM) Vivax: ^
(12:57:11 PM) Echo: You're asking in public
(12:57:18 PM) Vivax: Like… that's insane.
(12:57:19 PM) Echo: So I'm answering in public
(12:57:19 PM) ChiefKeef: isn't that some gun talk?
(12:57:26 PM) Echo: You weren't banned for talking about Glocks
(12:57:33 PM) Echo: You were banned for acting like an idiot
(12:57:36 PM) ChiefKeef: it was gun talk, in my opinion
(12:57:41 PM) Annalea: Typing up random lines from rap songs which is shitty music to begin with when it has no relevance to the conversation is a non-sequitur. It's disruptive and highly annoying.
(12:57:44 PM) Annalea: …
(12:57:44 PM) HexiHamaski: theres a pretty well defined and bold line between talk, and inane babbling
(12:57:50 PM) HexiHamaski: i should know i'm good at babbling
(12:57:54 PM) Annalea: We've already made it clear that you have no sense of what is appropriate conversation
(12:57:54 PM) Echo: ChiefKeef: You're welcome to come back in 24 hours
(12:57:56 PM) mode (+b *!*@3B946B76.E7D7B825.690257E5.IP) by Echo
(12:57:56 PM) ChiefKeef left the room (Kicked by Echo (Echo)).

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PMs with Echo (posted over into SSSC)
13:59 ChiefKeef i just got blindsided
14:00 ChiefKeef that kind of came out of nowhere
14:00 ChiefKeef am i really banned?
14:01 Echo Yes, you are really banned.

14:04 ChiefKeef was it for arguing?
14:04 Echo No.
14:04 ChiefKeef what did i get baned from site19 for then
14:05 Echo It was for acting like a moron, and consistently spouting non-sequitars in scpguntalk, ethicscommittee, and site19
14:05 ChiefKeef do you mean non-sequitur?
14:05 Echo Yeah.
14:06 ChiefKeef i'm just inm a playful mood right now
(Echo, stamp not copied) "That's nice. If you have any issues with the ban, you can bring them up in #site17 to another chat op. As of right now, your ban will expire in about 24 hours."
14:09 ChiefKeef whatevar i got things to do today anyways like play LoL

Timer removed. —Eskobar

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Re: BearJonny

Tuomey Tombstone 23 Jan 2014 21:37

21:34 BearJoNNy i hate being halfmast at work
21:34 ghostchibi I think it's a general good rule that-
21:34 ghostchibi um
21:35 * Reject joined #site19
21:35 * qptain_Nemo quit (Ping timeout: 184 seconds)
21:35 ghostchibi wow
21:35 tahunu :|
21:35 Djoric Jonny are you one of them people who don't know how to deal in social situations
21:35 * BearJoNNy was kicked by Tuomey (we don't need to know)
[irrelevance eradicated]
21:36 * BearJoNNy joined #site19
21:36 BearJoNNy sorry that was disgusting my bad

Re: BearJonny

thedeadlymoose 23 Jan 2014 22:06

I'm going to ban him over this, for 24 hours.

I'm sorry about this, because I don't want to make a habit of overriding ops, but I am very serious that we need to stop under-reacting to junk like this (as much as we need to stop over-reacting to other issues).

I'm actually inclined to just perma-ban at this point because I pretty much have no tolerance left for "users with no sense of boundaries when it comes to sexual stuff" but since I'm already overriding an op, I'm not going to go further with that.

(Also, I think we forgot to post logs from the first incident… Ah well.)

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Logs:

[14:07] thedeadlymoose BearJonny, I'm banning you for 24 hours for your sexual comment earlier. Feel free to PM me if you have questions, or if you want a public forum, talk in #site17. The following is your O5 thread: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-764185/bearjonny#post-1944365
[14:07] =-= Mode #site19 +b *!*@3B946B76.E7D7B825.690257E5.IP by thedeadlymoose
[14:08] =-= BearJoNNy was booted from #site19 by YOU (thedeadlymoose)
[14:08] thedeadlymoose Anyone who has questions can feel free to direct them to me as well.
[14:08] thedeadlymoose Or, additionally, in #site17

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Logs of PM:

Show Logs

[14:22] BearJoNNy hmmmm
[14:22] === BearJoNNy <~PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim#PI.5E752096.528B7D7E.67B649B3|tibbim> “Unknown”
[14:22] === BearJoNNy is identified for this nick
[14:22] === BearJoNNy: member of @#@site19, #site17, #some2ot53m, #some2ot3m, #someot3m, #someotm, #lol, #scpgaming, #synirc, and &#yolo
[14:22] === BearJoNNy: attached to moonlight.se.eu.synirc.net “Walk in. Dance out.”
[14:22] —- End of WHOIS information for BearJoNNy.
[14:22] BearJoNNy sorry man, it's natural
[14:23] BearJoNNy to be offended
[14:29] thedeadlymoose Meh, dude. I'm actually not offended in the slightest. I'm just cracking down on behavior we feel is creepy. Improve your social skills and you won't have a problem.
[14:29] thedeadlymoose (Which means, no more of that shit, ever again.)
[14:29] BearJoNNy ok

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UPDATE:

Show Logs

[14:47] ProcyonLotor BearJoNNy, you were waiting?
[14:48] BearJoNNy I wanted to get my ban shortened
[14:48] Eskobear I don't think that's going to happen, BearJoNNy.
[14:48] Xiao BearJonny, provide some sort of justification for it.
[14:49] BearJoNNy i'm a foolish man
[14:49] BearJoNNy that made a mistake
[14:49] |<-- Bouncl has left irc.synirc.net (Quit: have a nice day :)
[14:49] Xiao Everyone makes mistakes.
[14:49] BearJoNNy exactly
[14:49] Xiao Regardless of such, you are still expected to serve the full time of your ban.
[14:51] thedeadlymoose BearJonny, there is absolutely zero chance your ban will be shortened. You are free to discuss and request what you like, however.
[14:51] BearJoNNy typical beginners mistake
[14:52] thedeadlymoose …
[14:52] thedeadlymoose Are you trolling, by saying that, or are you serious?
[14:52] thedeadlymoose Please, do explain.
[14:53] |<-- ghostchibi has left irc.synirc.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[14:54] -->| ghostchibi (ereh.ni.tsohg|onho#ereh.ni.tsohg|onho) has joined #site17
[14:54] BearJoNNy that i made a beginners mistake?
[14:55] Eskobear That being banned, being unbanned, and thenwithin a 24-hour periodtalking about your penis is a mistake that most beginners make.
[14:55] Eskobear That was the trolling part.
[14:55] Eskobear That he was asking about.
[14:55] thedeadlymoose Yes.
[14:57] thedeadlymoose Actually, wait a second.
[14:57] thedeadlymoose BearJoNNy: you were literally just banned yesterday? I wasn't aware of this.
[14:57] thedeadlymoose …
[14:57] BearJoNNy when you put it like that it sounds bad
[14:57] ProcyonLotor It is
[14:57] Eskobear That would be the part that we're responding to.
[14:58] Eskobear Two bannable offenses within what, 72 hours?
[14:58] Eskobear Most beginners don't do that.
[14:58] Eskobear Either one, let alone both.
[14:58] thedeadlymoose …
[14:58] BearJoNNy i didn't say anything that couldn't be said on primetime television tbh
[14:59] Xiao This isn't primetime television.
[14:59] Quikngruvn That would be fine, if chat standards were "what you could say on primetime TV". But they aren't.
[15:01] BearJoNNy so you're more stringent than the most PC tripe that american tv can produce
[15:01] thedeadlymoose lmfao
[15:01] thedeadlymoose BearJonny, if you wrote this shit in a story, and it worked well, we'd be cool with it
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[15:01] thedeadlymoose But we're not here to be shat on
[15:01] thedeadlymoose We're here to discuss skips.
[15:01] BearJoNNy i just don't get it
[15:01] BearJoNNy it's a site about murder and evil
[15:01] BearJoNNy etc…
[15:02] Annalea …
[15:02] Annalea Did you just
[15:02] BearJoNNy and i can't say some euphemism that would be acceptable on any network tv station in the country
[15:02] ghostchibi yes, it is not a site about making people uncomfortable via sex talk about yourself
[15:02] Annalea Bear. Listen to me.
[15:02] ghostchibi we just had this conversation
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[15:02] Annalea You are annoying the fuck out of people
[15:02] Annalea That's all it comes down to
[15:02] thedeadlymoose So, I have now been fully informed that you've been banned from #scpguntalk - the conservative chat - and #ethicscommittee - the liberal chat, for being an extreme idiot. And also that you were banned literally yesterday, which I wasn't aware of.
[15:02] Annalea If you don't have the social grace and instinct to not piss people off every day of the week, then you don't belong here.
[15:02] thedeadlymoose (Gimme a sec here, you guys)
[15:02] thedeadlymoose So, BearJonny, now that I know that…
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[15:02] thedeadlymoose You get to give me a good reason why I shouldn't permanently ban you right now.
[15:03] thedeadlymoose if you can't give me one, I'm going to permanently ban you.
[15:03] BearJoNNy i'm an intellectual
[15:03] thedeadlymoose If you don't want to deal with that, you can leave.
[15:03] Quikngruvn snerks.
[15:03] thedeadlymoose That isn't a good reason. Try again.
[15:03] BearJoNNy that has lots to contribute to this organization
[15:03] BearJoNNy and wants nothing more than to be published as an SCP author
[15:03] thedeadlymoose All evidence suggests otherwise.
[15:03] thedeadlymoose You've even prevented other people from getting their critique by being an idiot.
[15:04] Annalea You've done anything but be intellectual, and I have not seen anything I would construe as a valuable contribution to SCP.
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[15:04] BearJoNNy Annalea: I haven't posted my works yet…
[15:04] Annalea I don't really care?
[15:04] BearJoNNy but trust me, I've been working
[15:04] Annalea Yawn. Anyone can say that.
[15:04] BearJoNNy I've written 5 scps already and 2 tales
[15:04] ghostchibi BearJoNNy: the stuff you say are things that make people LEAVE the site
[15:04] Annalea And not gotten any feedback on any of it.
[15:04] BearJoNNy I just didn't want to get criticized
[15:04] Annalea You're failing SCP 101.
[15:04] Annalea …
[15:04] Quikngruvn Man, are you in the wrong place then.
[15:04] Annalea You don't want to get criticized and you're writing skips
[15:04] Annalea Lovely.
[15:05] ghostchibi BearJoNNy: for us as the wiki, people who drive away others are very unwelcome
[15:05] Anborough BearJoNNy if you want to be a writer you're going to be criticized
[15:05] Xiao BearJonny, we're talking about chat etiquette.
[15:05] Xiao Not wiki issues.
[15:05] thedeadlymoose BearJonny, you won't be banned from the wiki for this.
[15:05] ghostchibi so no, your claim of being a good contributor will not fly
[15:05] thedeadlymoose I'm talking about chat.
[15:05] thedeadlymoose …wait.
[15:05] thedeadlymoose .au BearJonny
[15:05] Nala thedeadlymoose: Sorry, I couldn't find any authors by that name.
[15:05] Xiao Right now, as it stands, you're in a position where you will be indefinitely banned from-
[15:05] thedeadlymoose You have written nothing for the site, it turns out.
[15:05] Xiao And you lied.
[15:05] thedeadlymoose So… why lie to us?
[15:05] BearJoNNy thedeadlymoose: there is a thing called a text editor
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[15:06] Soulless e's written but he hasn't published
[15:06] thedeadlymoose Ah, wait, I apologize.
[15:06] ghostchibi unpublished, moose
[15:06] thedeadlymoose I missed one of your comments. My bad.
[15:06] Annalea Drafts. That he hasn't shown anyone.
[15:06] Annalea Who cares.
[15:06] ghostchibi hasn't had anything up for critique yet either
[15:06] Quikngruvn Are you even a member of the site, Jonny?
[15:06] thedeadlymoose Still, it's completely irrelevant.
[15:06] BearJoNNy Quikngruvn: I would be if you would only give me a chance
[15:06] Annalea If you can't properly apply for the site, then you're failing at getting past the idiot filter. That's the honest truth.
[15:06] Annalea Because that's all the site app is.
[15:06] Quikngruvn You could have filled out the application on the site at any time. You don't get to pin that on us.
[15:07] thedeadlymoose This is correct. Normally I'd ask Annalea to be nicer, but the fact is, you've used up your chances for us to be nice.
[15:07] BearJoNNy Annalea has a personal vendetta against me
[15:07] Annalea Because you're a creeper and an idiot.
[15:07] Quikngruvn Oh for the love of.
[15:07] Annalea If you want to call that a "personal vendetta"
[15:07] BearJoNNy I am /NOT/ a creeper
[15:07] Annalea Then you're a strange, strange person.
[15:07] BearJoNNy perhaps I'm a bit dumb
[15:07] Annalea Talking about your penis in public chat is the DEFINITION of being a fucking creeper.
[15:08] Echo I thought you were an intellectural.
[15:08] Echo *intellectual.
[15:08] Annalea All you're doing right now is digging yourself deeper by trying to scapegoat this on others.
[15:08] Annalea You're utterly incapable of owning up to your own fucking problems.
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[15:08] BearJoNNy Echo: I have intellectual interests
[15:09] Annalea Stop. Stop right there.
[15:09] Xiao Everyone, please stop for a moment?
[15:09] Annalea Nobody cares. This is about your behavior on the chat and what you have been doing.
[15:09] Annalea We don't give a shit about what you think you are.
[15:09] thedeadlymoose Alright.
[15:10] thedeadlymoose BearJoNNy: You've failed to convince me that you should be kept on as a member. You are now banned permanently from the chat. You can feel free to try to get into the wiki. You can appeal this ban in one year, assuming you've grown up a bit.
[15:10] BearJoNNy well fuck you cuntbag
[15:10] thedeadlymoose Them's the breaks. And since you're not a site member…
[15:10] Eskobear cute
[15:10] BearJoNNy furrylyfe
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[15:10] =-= BearJoNNy was booted from #site17 by YOU (thedeadlymoose)

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15:11] Annalea Apologies if I went off the chain here, but that conversation went for about three times as long as it ought to have.
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[15:12] Annalea The moment he starts trying to shove blame onto others, there's no point in continuing.
[15:12] Annalea He's not sorry.
[15:12] Quikngruvn Given his parting words, I'm pretty sure it was all completely warranted.
[15:12] thedeadlymoose Annalea, essentially, I wanted to be as sure as I could be, and the extra three minutes was an okay sacrifice.
[15:12] thedeadlymoose And you going off the chain? Was okay in this case.
[15:12] Annalea barks
[15:12] thedeadlymoose As I said… If it gets to this point? We no longer have to be nice.
[15:12] thedeadlymoose I do want you guys to be nicer to newbies, but again…
[15:13] thedeadlymoose if it gets to this point…
[15:13] thedeadlymoose yeah. you get the idea
[15:13] Annalea I have the sinking feeling it was probably SinGed under yet another name.
[15:13] Silber …then we no longer have to be nice?
[15:13] PaulS_laptop A recommendation, if I may. Put him on /ignore. He's pestered everybody with op in guntalk for a goodly portion of the day, and may do the same to staff in 19.
[15:13] Echo Remember
[15:14] Annalea I refuse to believe we have had this many trolls with the exact same pattern of behavior in such a short period of time.

TL;DR: User has been permanently banned from chat.

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Re: BearJonny

DrClef 24 Jan 2014 12:03

You were way more patient than I would have been. Rule of thumb in the future: User Godwins the discussion by equating you to Nazi Germany or PC tripe or bringing up free speech or any other "bad political thing": they are not interested in changing their behavior or getting along with others. User objects to ban not on the merits of the case but arguing that policy is unfair? The same.

At that point I would disengage, inform them that they have a choice: accept the 24 hr. ban or have out immediately escalated to perma. Any further arguments aside from "when will the ban expire"? Perma it.

It would be reviewed by other admins, but let's not waste time trying to make logical arguments vs brick walls. If SCP continues to get popular, we will have less and less time to deal with idiots.

Re: BearJonny

Wogglebug 24 Jan 2014 21:19

Ehh. I get that we need to do our best to resolve things quickly, but establishing anything like a policy that sounds anything like 'if you contest the principles behind your ban you will be perma'd' is a bad idea. Not to mention that it sounds kinda bad, from a normal or new user's perspective. Feedback on one's disciplinary system, and a method of review of decisions that is inclusive of the views of the accused, is an important part of any effective and fair means of community management, regardless of whether that may be difficult or annoying for the enforcing party.

Re: BearJonny

SoullessSingularity 24 Jan 2014 21:41

I agree, but only provided we're actually discussing the policy and whatnot. If the user's discussion of the policy is to immediately invoke nazi germany, fascism, communism, or some other bs political tripe then yes I have very little problems with proceeding to ignore the user's complaints.

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Living the dream, or dreaming the life?

Re: BearJonny

DrClef 25 Jan 2014 01:09

It's not a policy. It's a rule of thumb. There are cases when this will not apply. But if a user's first response to, "You need to stop harassing our female users" is to go off on a rant about censorship and how Site administration is unfair? That should be a flag that this discussion will go nowhere good.

Re: BearJonny

Quikngruvn 27 Jan 2014 15:09

Can we get this emblazoned somewhere more prominently? 'Cos this needs to be referred back to again and again.