Preface: I am not a chat operator, or even a user/lurker of Site 19 at time of writing. I just heard about it, got logs, and realized that it should be recorded on O5.
So a few days ago, the following occurred in 19.
[2013-07-14 16:54:00] <Voct> .w coydog
[2013-07-14 16:54:00] <Nala> Voct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coydog (Coydog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) A coydog is the hybrid offspring of a coyote (Canis latrans) and a dog (Canis lupus familiaris). Together they are genetically capable of producing fertile young .
[2013-07-14 16:54:38] <VincentRedgrave> Smapti: I know, it's fucking awesome XD
[2013-07-14 16:55:00] <PetraCore> i'd like to preface this with the fact that no definition of species is perfect or definitive in all situations.
[2013-07-14 16:55:08] <PetraCore> And that includes the biological one.
[2013-07-14 16:55:21] <Voct> Smapti - I've seen some of the preview vidoes. Wayne Brady shaved his head, and Ryan Stile's gone white.
[2013-07-14 16:55:27] <Voct> PetraCore - are you a splitter or a lumper?
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[2013-07-14 16:55:41] <PetraCore> But since Neanderthal/Human crosses remained fertile for, well, as far as we know, I'd say they count as subspecies.
[2013-07-14 16:55:45] <PetraCore> Haha...I'm not sure yet.
[2013-07-14 16:55:48] <Smapti> "White people like Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X."
[2013-07-14 16:55:53] <PetraCore> I'm just a second year biology undergrad.
[2013-07-14 16:56:06] <PetraCore> Are you a lumper or a splitter?
[2013-07-14 16:56:07] <Voct> PetraCore - you *do* know about ring species, yes?
[2013-07-14 16:56:13] <Voct> PetraCore - depends on the context.
[2013-07-14 16:56:17] <PetraCore> No, please illuminate me.
[2013-07-14 16:56:18] <PetraCore> :D
[2013-07-14 16:56:55] <Echo> Oh shit, Zimmerman was found innocent
[2013-07-14 16:56:56] <Echo> :D
[2013-07-14 16:56:58] <Voct> Population A can interbreed with nearby population B, which can interbneed with nearby population C, who can interbreed with D, who can interbreed with E, who can interbreed with F.... who can NOT interbreed with A, even though they're close to A
[2013-07-14 16:57:08] <PetraCore> oooooh
[2013-07-14 16:57:10] <PetraCore> yeah.
[2013-07-14 16:57:13] <PetraCore> That's a toughy.
[2013-07-14 16:57:31] <PetraCore> the question is where it splits off, yeah?
[2013-07-14 16:57:37] <Smapti> Echo, that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yesterday.
[2013-07-14 16:57:41] <Smapti> We're over it now.
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[2013-07-14 16:57:55] <Roget> echo I was in miami today
[2013-07-14 16:57:59] <Echo> Smapti: I've been in the woods for a week away from electronics, and was gone all day yesterday.
[2013-07-14 16:58:02] <Roget> everyone is terrified of riots
[2013-07-14 16:58:22] <Smapti> Two of my African-American coworkers were discussing this issue in the breakroom last night.
[2013-07-14 16:58:23] <Voct> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
[2013-07-14 16:58:47] <Smapti> One of them was saying "How are you gonna say you can just go walk up to someone and shoot 'em and they're not guilty?"
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[2013-07-14 16:59:04] <Echo> ... but he didn't just walk up to the guy and shoot him.
[2013-07-14 16:59:07] <Voct> My cats woke me up demanding food at 4 AM. Then for more food at 5:30 AM. Then at 7 the radio went on and said "George Zimmerman has been acquitted."
[2013-07-14 16:59:07] <Smapti> And the other one was saying, "You KNOW that n-word was beating the fuck out of that n-word! That's probably why he got shot!"
[2013-07-14 16:59:12] <Smapti> It was quite amusing to listen to.
[2013-07-14 16:59:15] <Echo> Yeah
[2013-07-14 16:59:36] <Voct> Echo - he walked up to the guy, confronted him, and then they were in a fight somehow
[2013-07-14 16:59:47] <TheRaven> Semi-relevant, bad language. http://i.imgur.com/O4k7C8D.jpg
[2013-07-14 17:00:08] <Smapti> My opinion: They were both stupid and they both made stupid decisions, but one of them had a gun and the other one didn't.
[2013-07-14 17:00:18] <Smapti> And according to the law, that means he wins.
[2013-07-14 17:00:20] <Tox|Laptop> Echo: If the roles were reversed, though, Trayvon would be in jail
[2013-07-14 17:00:25] <Tox|Laptop> I guarantee it
[2013-07-14 17:00:28] <Voct> and ultimately, one of them started it and one of them didn't.
[2013-07-14 17:00:33] <VincentRedgrave> Tox|Laptop: OJ Simpson
[2013-07-14 17:00:35] <VincentRedgrave> that is all
[2013-07-14 17:00:36] <VincentRedgrave> XD
[2013-07-14 17:00:46] <Voct> Tox|Laptop - if the roles were reversed, Trayvon might not have survived arrest.
[2013-07-14 17:00:49] <PetraCore> I think it's hard to go beyond a reasonable doubt in that case.
[2013-07-14 17:00:49] <Tuomey> Man
[2013-07-14 17:00:54] <Echo> Eh, Martin probably had a lifetime of petty crime ahead of him. This is arguably a better end state.
[2013-07-14 17:00:55] <Voct> VincentRedgrave - OJ Simpson is in jail, yes. And?
[2013-07-14 17:00:58] <Tuomey> none of us motherfuckers are lawyers
[2013-07-14 17:01:02] <Tuomey> none of us were there
[2013-07-14 17:01:04] <Voct> Echo - based on what?
[2013-07-14 17:01:05] <Tox|Laptop> Echo: ....what
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[2013-07-14 17:01:11] <Echo> My opinion.
[2013-07-14 17:01:14] <VincentRedgrave> either way, it's prob- echo, holy shit
[2013-07-14 17:01:24] <Tox|Laptop> Wow, okay, that's not offensive at all
[2013-07-14 17:01:30] <PetraCore> Uh.
[2013-07-14 17:01:31] <Diction> jesus Echo
[2013-07-14 17:01:33] <Echo> :p
[2013-07-14 17:01:34] <PetraCore> Okay, I'm leaving.
[2013-07-14 17:01:36] <PetraCore> Bye.
[2013-07-14 17:01:41] <Tox|Laptop> Echo
[2013-07-14 17:01:44] <Tox|Laptop> I get that you're prickly
[2013-07-14 17:01:45] <VincentRedgrave> yeah... that's enough 19 for the day
[2013-07-14 17:01:50] <Tox|Laptop> and I get that you say shit
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[2013-07-14 17:01:59] <Tox|Laptop> but I don't get that
[2013-07-14 17:02:16] <Smapti> Zimmerman was a cowboy John Wayne-wannabe jackhole who thought he was being Billy Badass by pretending he was neighborhood watch and rolling around town accosting people who "didn't look right".
[2013-07-14 17:02:32] <Diction> Echo, that was rather insensitive and rude
[2013-07-14 17:02:39] <Smapti> And Trayvon Martin was your typical testosterone-loaded teen who decided to react to a confrontation by getting physical instead of just walking away.
[2013-07-14 17:02:40] <AlasViola> My logic: Did he shoot the man? Yes. Guilty. Some other seople's logic: Did he shoot the man? Yes, but [excuses excuses excuses]. Guilty, but shouldn't be punished.
[2013-07-14 17:02:49] <Smapti> They were BOTH idiots. And they were BOTH legally in the right.
[2013-07-14 17:02:56] <Voct> the Floridian legal system
[2013-07-14 17:03:27] <PaulS_laptop> Smapti: martin was not legally in te right to assault zimmerman
[2013-07-14 17:03:38] <Voct> PaulS_laptop - and we don't really know what exactly happened
[2013-07-14 17:03:58] <Smapti> PaulS_laptop; according to the "Stand your ground" doctrine, Martin had exactly as much right to respond to a threat with force as Zimmerman did.
[2013-07-14 17:04:07] <PaulS_laptop> Smapti: there was no threat
[2013-07-14 17:04:09] <Smapti> The only difference is that, in the end, he brought a knife to a gunfight.
[2013-07-14 17:04:09] <PetraCore> And that's why I don't disagree witht he verdict, Voct.
[2013-07-14 17:04:14] <PetraCore> Reasonable doubt still exists.
[2013-07-14 17:04:18] <Roget> I'd say that they both were in the wrong, Zimmerman wasn't guilty of murder the way the court phrased it, which is in the second degree
[2013-07-14 17:04:22] <PetraCore> I think Zimmerman was a dumbass.
[2013-07-14 17:04:23] <Diction> .y fuck your court nigga
[2013-07-14 17:04:24] <Nala> Diction: What's Really Good? by AJBallin305 (1 m 15 s) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KpES1G_5jg - published Sat Jan 30, 2010 - 4.94/5.00 (4307.0, +4245/-62), 959,146 views
[2013-07-14 17:04:32] <PetraCore> Who shouldn't have fucking chased down Martin.
[2013-07-14 17:04:34] <Echo> Diction: hahahahahahaaha
[2013-07-14 17:04:37] <Voct> Absofuckinglutely.
[2013-07-14 17:04:39] <PaulS_laptop> I wish my keyboard sisn' suck
[2013-07-14 17:04:43] <Diction> FUCK YO COURT
[2013-07-14 17:04:51] <Diction> THIS IS SITE19
[2013-07-14 17:04:54] <DocClockwork> PetraCore: More like a moronic individual whom wanted to be a cop.
[2013-07-14 17:04:56] <Smapti> It's times like this when I wish we had the "Not Proven" verdict in our legal system.
[2013-07-14 17:05:09] <PetraCore> mmmm.
[2013-07-14 17:05:13] <Smapti> In Scotland, there are three verdicts a jury can deliver; Guilty, Not Guilty, and Not Proven.
[2013-07-14 17:05:27] <Smapti> Not Proven basically meaning "Not guilty and don't do it again".
[2013-07-14 17:05:29] <PetraCore> brb
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[2013-07-14 17:06:03] <DocClockwork> Smapti: Sort of a pointless verdict for the "Not Guilty", don't ya think?
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[2013-07-14 17:07:47] <Voct> "We find the defendant not guilty, on the condition that he give back the horse." "Jury, you can't say that! Go back and reach a proper verdict!" <LATER> "We find the defendant guilty, but he can keep the horse."
[2013-07-14 17:07:48] =-= DeaconXiao is now known as Xiao
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[2013-07-14 17:08:15] <Echo> Voct: lol
Now, to give a brief timeline of the events in a way that explains why this is important:
- The previous conversation was pushed aside by talk of the trial/verdict.
- Echo chooses to talk about it in 19, despite the chat guide telling people to take politics to side channels.
- Idjits jump on this, Echo makes a minor point that propagates discussion. He probably knew it would dominate the chat.
- Echo makes the statement at 17:00:54, eliciting several very negative responses. It's likely that he knew what kind of reaction it would get.
- Despite having started the conversation, Echo does not appear interested in addressing the criticism. The chat eventually goes off-topic.
I've been informed that Waxx has told Echo quite adamantly to stop, and that Echo has agreed to do so.
I'm making this post to make sure that it's recorded publicly and isn't forgotten. Please read this and keep it in mind if anything happens in the future. If any of the information here is inaccurate or misleading, please let me know so I can set the record straight and save face.
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