(16:12:27) Roget: CognitiveWeasel for the record, this is a 24 hour ban for being a dumbass and sassing the ops
(16:12:36) mode (+b *!*Cognitive@*.skybroadband.com) by Roget
(16:12:36) CognitiveWeasel left the room (Kicked by Roget (Roget)).
DOUBLE KILL.
Ah right! I have logs, just forgot to post 'em
[17:06:11] <Nala> Azzleflux: Will o' the Wisp (rating: +21, 9 revisions) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-266
[17:06:11] <Roget> [17:02:24] <nyehcat> Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
[17:06:14] <salmander> Loving is a bannable offence, tuomey
[17:06:17] <Smapti> .y that's a paddling
[17:06:18] <Nala> Smapti: thats a paddlin by scudmissile369 (18 s) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM - published Wed Mar 25, 2009 - 4.96/5.00 (10474.0, +10373/-101), 1,695,723 views
[17:06:18] <Vince|Mobile> Tuomey, it's practically a meme here
[17:06:31] <Roget> Vince
[17:06:32] <CognitiveWeasel> That's a grammatically correct statement though, Roget…
[17:06:35] <Tuomey> To be fair Roget we were talking about how English is weird
[17:06:41] <Roget> Ooooh
[17:06:44] <nyehcat> Roget: That wasn't being dumb. That was demonstrating the weirdness of the english language.
[17:06:44] <CognitiveWeasel> And it was relevant to the conversation
[17:06:44] <Roget> my apologies nyehcat
[17:06:52] <nyehcat> no problem.
[17:07:03] <Roget> I assumed with all the stupid around here that was part of the retard jambouree
[17:07:11] <Smapti> .w Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
[17:07:12] <Nala> Smapti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo (Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo … - Wikipedia) "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically correct sentence in American English, used as an example of how homonyms …
[17:07:20] <Vince|Mobile> Yes, Roget?
[17:07:32] <CognitiveWeasel> And how was I being dumb, Roget?
[17:07:42] <Smapti> "Buffalo from Buffalo that buffalo buffalo from Buffalo, are themselves buffaloed by buffalo from Buffalo".
[17:07:57] <Roget> CognitibeWeasel every word that passes into your keyboard is dripping with retardation
[17:07:59] <DrUnderwood> Site19's tone was polished a bit today.
[17:08:23] <salmander> are we still talking about buffalo
[17:08:23] <CognitiveWeasel> That's actually fairly rude, Oget :I
[17:08:26] <CognitiveWeasel> *Roget
[17:08:30] <Tox|Laptop> CognitiveWeasel: Accurate, though.
[17:08:34] <CognitiveWeasel> Hardly.
[17:08:41] <Tox|Laptop> Well, perhaps not *every* word
[17:08:49] <CognitiveWeasel> And I'm not retarded.
[17:08:58] <Azzleflux> Man, it's like the ops /dont/ have the final say in chat matters
[17:09:01] <Tox|Laptop> He didn't say you were, note.
[17:09:11] <Roget> CognitiveWeasel it's rude for you to dispute an op on a matter of your behavior
[17:09:19] <salmander> azzle: say it ain't so
[17:09:21] <Tox|Laptop> At least, in that manner,.
[17:09:22] <Roget> if you keep it up, well, it's not like we have a limit for bans on op sassing
[17:09:25] <Smapti> Similarly, there exists the sentence "James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher."
[17:09:28] <Azzleflux> I will not go
[17:09:34] <Azzleflux> turn the lights off, carry me home
[17:09:35] <CognitiveWeasel> Roget - I was merely pointing out I had no part of the conversation for a good give minutes
[17:09:36] <Echo> Smapti: lolwat
[17:09:52] <DragonDePlatino> *sigh* Mod actions have completely killed the chat here. Going to go watch paint dry or something, now.
[17:09:55] * DragonDePlatino has left
[17:09:59] <Roget> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:10:05] <Tox|Laptop> Echo: James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.
[17:10:08] <Vince|Mobile> Easy on the "retard" stuff plz.
[17:10:09] <salmander> shut up Oget
[17:10:10] <Smapti> Echo; "James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had'; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher."
[17:10:12] <FlameShirt> And nothing of value was lost.
[17:10:16] <Tox|Laptop> Smapti: BAM.
[17:10:24] <Roget> Vince|Mobile is "dumbshit" better?
[17:10:36] <Vince|Mobile> Infinitely
[17:11:00] <Roget> kk
[17:11:18] <Tuomey> That's still offensive, most of my family are complete shits
[17:11:31] <Roget> CognitiveWeasel you are saying a lot of dumbshit stuff, sir, and if you continue to dispute this I will be forced to kickban you for a day
[17:11:34] <Tuomey> (clearly joking)
[17:11:36] <CognitiveWeasel> Roget - for the record I was only offended by the nature of your use of the word "retardation" and not the fact you were insulting me
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[17:11:49] <DrUnderwood> …
[17:11:58] <Echo> We don't care about retards here.
[17:12:09] <Echo> Take that bullshit to tumblr.
[17:12:09] <CognitiveWeasel> Retard is a verb, Echo.
[17:12:09] <Vince|Mobile> -_-"
[17:12:15] <Smapti> "The example refers to two students, James and John, who are required by an English test to describe a man who, in the past, had suffered from a cold. John writes "The man had a cold" which the teacher marks as being incorrect, while James writes the correct "The man had had a cold." Since James' answer was right, it had had a better effect on the teacher."
[17:12:24] <Echo> Retard describes someone who's retarded, or who's acting like one.
[17:12:24] <Tox|Laptop> CognitiveWeasel: Retard is also a noun
[17:12:29] <Roget> CognitiveWeasel for the record, this is a 24 hour ban for being a dumbass and sassing the ops
[17:12:30] <Tox|Laptop> :|
[17:12:32] <Tox|Laptop> Jackass.
[17:12:36] * Roget sets ban on *!*Cognitive@*.skybroadband.com
[17:12:36] * Roget has kicked CognitiveWeasel from #site19 (Roget)
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
CognitiveWeasel (using the name Roxie) was kicked for namecalling during a stop order on an argument they'd started in 19, after already being warned during that argument by Decibelle for namecalling.
I had to fish through my logs to get the full argument because it lasted past my entire upscroll. The warning and the kick (and the lines leading to them) are bolded.
[2015-08-08 12:29:18] <Roxie> i watched fantastic four yesterday
[2015-08-08 12:29:22] <Roxie> i don't know how to feel about it
[2015-08-08 12:29:42] <Bennings> .seen Weizhong
[2015-08-08 12:29:42] <Alexandra> Bennings: weizhong was last seen 4 days, 15 hours ago saying: SCP-190
[2015-08-08 12:30:11] <Ireul> Roxie: My family saw it and they liked it, apparently.
[2015-08-08 12:30:20] =-= Dr_Kens is now known as Kens_Away
[2015-08-08 12:30:24] =-= Kens_Away is now known as Kens_Cleaning
[2015-08-08 12:30:27] <Lily> Roxie don't say anything shhhh
[2015-08-08 12:30:43] <Roxie> i uh
[2015-08-08 12:30:44] <Roxie> wait
[2015-08-08 12:30:48] <Roxie> does that just mean spoilers or
[2015-08-08 12:30:54] <Roxie> can i say that it was kind of shit
[2015-08-08 12:30:59] <Lily> That' s okay
[2015-08-08 12:31:04] <Lily> Just no spoilers :p
[2015-08-08 12:31:05] <Roxie> okay well it was pretty shit
[2015-08-08 12:31:10] <BlackWing> Blah blah movie sucks. blah blah
[2015-08-08 12:31:12] <Roxie> the bit where dumbledore dies was handled terribly
[2015-08-08 12:31:15] <BlackWing> Can we move on
[2015-08-08 12:31:18] <Lily> Pfft
[2015-08-08 12:31:39] <Roxie> BlackWing: chill, i'm not spoiling
[2015-08-08 12:31:53] <BlackWing> I don't care if you spoil or not, I'm just tired of hearing that it sucks
[2015-08-08 12:32:02] <Cimmerian> eh
[2015-08-08 12:32:20] <Cimmerian> BlackWing: Feels like you're overreacting there.
[2015-08-08 12:32:35] <Kens_Cleaning> BlackWing: Relax, this is the first time it's being talked about in chat.
[2015-08-08 12:32:59] <BlackWing> Kens_Cleaning: Yea, I know. Wasn't referring to chat alone, just voicing
[2015-08-08 12:33:23] <Kens_Cleaning> Noted.
[2015-08-08 12:33:33] <Roxie> i'm not sure how i was supposed to realise BlackWing's personal preference about what is discussed in the IRC before its first mention
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[2015-08-08 12:33:42] <Kens_Cleaning> Roxie: You're in the clear.
[2015-08-08 12:33:42] <Shqueak> I kinda wanna see it, regardless xD
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[2015-08-08 12:34:18] <BlackWing> Doom looked cool though
[2015-08-08 12:34:29] <BlackWing> Much better than the Iron Man knock off he'd be otherwise
[2015-08-08 12:34:54] <Roxie> The cast was pretty good, I'd say, and I'm glad they didn't sex Sue up and Marvel has actually had some fucking racial diversity in its films for once, and the special effects were okay I guess but it was just sort of really bland
[2015-08-08 12:35:04] <BlackWing> Fox
[2015-08-08 12:35:07] <BlackWing> It's not an MCU film
[2015-08-08 12:35:13] <Roxie> I didn't say it was.
[2015-08-08 12:35:23] <Roxie> I said it's Marvel, which is entirely true.
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[2015-08-08 12:35:51] <Roxie> I'd say Fox only if I referred to the MCU as Disney
[2015-08-08 12:36:18] <Shqueak> I generally go for things that are entertaining. Even if it's not overly great, if I leave having been entertained then I'm good with it :)
[2015-08-08 12:36:25] <BlackWing> Well, Marvel's a studio.
[2015-08-08 12:37:01] <Roxie> Yeah but I thought Marvel had input on both the Disney and Fox films
[2015-08-08 12:37:10] <BlackWing> Nope
[2015-08-08 12:37:13] <Roxie> Dang.
[2015-08-08 12:37:41] <Roxie> Well way to go Fox, you didn't sex up your lead female and had racial diversity but made a shit film
[2015-08-08 12:37:44] <BlackWing> Marvel had to sell the film rights to a lot of different companies in the 90s to avoid bankruptcy
[2015-08-08 12:38:25] <Roxie> As opposed to the MCU films that are usually pretty good albeit they remove all diversity and sex up all the women and put in probably misogynistic tropes
[2015-08-08 12:38:47] <Roxie> You're damned either way watching a superhero film
[2015-08-08 12:39:48] <BlackWing> Only character I've seen "sex up" was Black Widow. And her job involves looking sexy to manipulate her targets
[2015-08-08 12:40:05] <Roxie> that's still a misogynistic trope
[2015-08-08 12:41:04] <Shqueak> Mmm, I'd disagree. There's another character in Ultron that they did that too.
[2015-08-08 12:41:09] <Shqueak> *to
[2015-08-08 12:41:55] <Roxie> america man: hello i am buff and have a RAD SHIELD OF MY COUNTRY!!! metal guy man: yes i FLY and BLAST STUFF and am SMART. green angry dude man: RRGRSGFHFGEGHGREEG. token sexy lady character: hmmm yess my power is bending over and seductively picking up all these tic tacs i dropped one at a time
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[2015-08-08 12:42:09] <Djoric> Black Widow is just boring
[2015-08-08 12:42:09] <Djoric> she is a boring character
[2015-08-08 12:42:23] <Roxie> i mean so is iron man
[2015-08-08 12:42:27] <Roxie> boo hoo you're smart and rich
[2015-08-08 12:42:55] <BlackWing> That's Batman
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[2015-08-08 12:43:03] <Roxie> yeah and iron man
[2015-08-08 12:43:06] <Roxie> in fact
[2015-08-08 12:43:10] <Roxie> iron man isn't even "boo hoo"
[2015-08-08 12:43:19] <Roxie> there's no sobbing it's just "you're smart and rich. go save people lol"
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[2015-08-08 12:43:51] <Roxie> 90% of the issues in MCU films are caused by the heros of the MCU films fucking up.
[2015-08-08 12:43:54] <BlackWing> After nearly being killed and seeing that his lack of responsibility handed weapons over to America's enemies
[2015-08-08 12:44:10] <Roxie> that's not interesting at all
[2015-08-08 12:44:14] <Roxie> he was a dick and bad things happened
[2015-08-08 12:44:18] <Roxie> that's literally it
[2015-08-08 12:44:20] <BlackWing> Because he was a dick
[2015-08-08 12:44:36] <Roxie> that doesn't add a layer of interestingness
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[2015-08-08 12:45:22] <Roxie> i can literally think of nothing i want to see less than the same fucking spider-man origin for the 58th time about an awkward nerdy white kid being sad and then learning that with great power comes great whatever the fuck who gives a shit
[2015-08-08 12:45:39] <BlackWing> They're skipping the origin story for the MCU's Spider-Man film
[2015-08-08 12:46:14] <Roxie> that's the thing i want to see the second least
[2015-08-08 12:46:25] <BlackWing> And yes, I would like a Miles Morales film, specifically because I'm tired of seeing the third Peter Parker in fifteen years
[2015-08-08 12:46:27] <Takov> Roxie: Would an awkward nerdy black kid be better to you?
[2015-08-08 12:46:43] <Roxie> if you mean miles morales then fuck yes
[2015-08-08 12:47:04] <Takov> And that is not what I meant.
[2015-08-08 12:47:12] <BlackWing> Peter Parker, but black
[2015-08-08 12:47:31] <Roxie> i mean if we're gonna make the same character 400 times
[2015-08-08 12:47:38] <Roxie> we can at least give him racial diversity in the newest one
[2015-08-08 12:47:54] <Takov> Eh.
[2015-08-08 12:48:01] <Roxie> otherwise we're basically saying "nah nah nah this is the important spider-man. the white one"
[2015-08-08 12:48:28] <salvagebar> I like the black spiderman
[2015-08-08 12:48:31] <BlackWing> Seems lazier to take a pre-existing character and change the skin tone
[2015-08-08 12:48:36] <Takov> ^
[2015-08-08 12:48:46] <BlackWing> Need racial diversity? Just slap some fake-tan on them!
[2015-08-08 12:48:53] <Roxie> lazier than shitting out the same character exactly the same each time?
[2015-08-08 12:49:02] <BlackWing> Yep
[2015-08-08 12:49:07] <Roxie> bollocks
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[2015-08-08 12:49:09] <BlackWing> Not really
[2015-08-08 12:49:12] <Roxie> yes really
[2015-08-08 12:49:15] <Roxie> if you're saying
[2015-08-08 12:49:32] <Roxie> making peter parker black is lazier than making the exact same peter parker almost atom for fucking atom
[2015-08-08 12:49:36] <Roxie> then you're seriously mistaken
[2015-08-08 12:49:59] <BlackWing> Take Peter Parker, but make him black, would be like saying "He's black now, we're totes thinking of racial equality"
[2015-08-08 12:50:11] <Roxie> not really
[2015-08-08 12:50:22] <Roxie> and even if they were
[2015-08-08 12:50:24] <Roxie> what's the issue there?
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[2015-08-08 12:50:51] <Roxie> whats the issue with saying "hey you little black boys out there, you can be spider-man too, look, here's a spider-man that's just like you that we're putting into an actual movie"
[2015-08-08 12:51:14] <Takov> It'd come across as a change only intended for some appeal if they changed nothing but his skin color.
[2015-08-08 12:51:16] <BlackWing> But, you can only be Spider-Man if you piggy back on a white guy with the same exact name
[2015-08-08 12:51:35] <Rademacher> Diversity for the sake of diversity (especially in a situation where there's a lot of profit to be reaped) is a form of objectification.
[2015-08-08 12:51:55] <Roxie> that's not what i'm suggesting though
[2015-08-08 12:52:16] <Rademacher> I know, Roxie, but I feel like there are people who interpret the decision through that lens.
[2015-08-08 12:52:21] <Roxie> this black peter parker wouldn't be piggybacking off of anybody because he's peter parker
[2015-08-08 12:52:21] <Roxie> he's the original
[2015-08-08 12:52:27] <BlackWing> He's black now
[2015-08-08 12:52:28] <Takov> Rademacher: But Spider-Man's an object, I used to turn his pages!
[2015-08-08 12:52:42] <Rademacher> Takov You hush. :P
[2015-08-08 12:52:54] <BlackWing> Why make Peter Parker black when there's already a half-black/half-hispanic that uses the name Spider-Man?
[2015-08-08 12:52:55] <Roxie> BlackWing: and andrew garfield didnt live in the 60s
[2015-08-08 12:52:56] <Shqueak> You know that Peter Parker isn't white in all of the comics, right? Juuuuust saying.
[2015-08-08 12:52:58] <salvagebar> I rather like they took a new person who is black and made him Spiderman
[2015-08-08 12:53:15] <Takov> Why not both
[2015-08-08 12:53:19] <Roxie> BlackWing: because then you're piggybacking on a white guy.
[2015-08-08 12:53:42] <GreenWolf> What even is this discussion
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[2015-08-08 12:53:47] <Shqueak> Madness.
[2015-08-08 12:53:48] <BlackWing> Legacy Characters are not the same as "Take this character who is one race, and make them another for Diversity!"
[2015-08-08 12:53:53] <Shqueak> Utter madness.
[2015-08-08 12:53:58] <Roxie> that's not what i'm saying
[2015-08-08 12:54:02] <GreenWolf> Shqueak: kay
[2015-08-08 12:54:06] <Roxie> i'm not saying "change peter parker because diversity"
[2015-08-08 12:54:08] <Roxie> i'm saying
[2015-08-08 12:54:19] <BlackWing> We should have a white guy play Shaft?
[2015-08-08 12:54:21] <Kalinin> Oh jesus christ. The enforcement of racial purity in comic books is a thing here too, wonderful.
[2015-08-08 12:54:26] <BlackWing> Get Michael Cera!
[2015-08-08 12:54:33] <Rademacher> I think that, really, the only relevant question in discussions like this is whether or not altering X quality of a character fundamentally affects their narrative in a way that's irreconcilable with the original. In this case, I think the answer is no, it doesn't.
[2015-08-08 12:54:43] <Djoric> BlackWing: no
[2015-08-08 12:54:45] <Djoric> Get john Cena
[2015-08-08 12:54:47] <BlackWing> Djoric: I know
[2015-08-08 12:54:51] <BlackWing> EVEN BETTER!
[2015-08-08 12:54:54] <Shqueak> Peter Parker is /not always white in the comics/ so this is a pointless argument, because he's /already of multiple races/.
[2015-08-08 12:54:56] <Roxie> I'm saying "out of all the times we've cast Peter Parker, and there is no inherent reason that he has to be white, he has been white, and that might be something to do with racism in the industry"
[2015-08-08 12:54:57] <BlackWing> But wait
[2015-08-08 12:54:59] <Roxie> same thing as
[2015-08-08 12:55:02] <Djoric> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShPSTq-tUo
[2015-08-08 12:55:02] <BlackWing> Djoric: No one could see it then
[2015-08-08 12:55:03] <Alexandra> Djoric: Wall Maria, Rose, and Sina - length 15s - 1209↑12↓ - 60,894 views - Clockwork621 on 2015.07.20
[2015-08-08 12:55:08] <Roxie> i'm not saying we should make the next doctor black just because diversity
[2015-08-08 12:55:09] <Djoric> BlackWing: good
[2015-08-08 12:55:12] <Djoric> Spiderman a lame
[2015-08-08 12:55:23] <Roxie> i'm saying it's fishy that all of the doctors have been white before and why do you think that is?
[2015-08-08 12:55:25] <BlackWing> Who said anything about Doctor Who?
[2015-08-08 12:55:29] <BlackWing> We're talking about Spider-Man
[2015-08-08 12:55:32] <Roxie> yeah
[2015-08-08 12:55:34] <Roxie> and i used an example?
[2015-08-08 12:55:36] <Takov> Kalinin: I'd rather have a new character than just changing the skin color of an existing one.
[2015-08-08 12:55:38] <Roxie> who the fuck was talking about shaft
[2015-08-08 12:55:43] <Shqueak> Am I, like, mute?
[2015-08-08 12:55:54] <Takov> Maybe
[2015-08-08 12:56:09] <Djoric> even better
[2015-08-08 12:56:09] <Djoric> he needs to turn his entire identity to wrestling
[2015-08-08 12:56:12] <BlackWing> Roxie: I was referencing a bit from a black comic when someone tweeted a photoshopped image of him in the Spider-Man suit around the time Amazing Spider-Man was being announced
[2015-08-08 12:56:16] <Djoric> Doc Ock is up to no good
[2015-08-08 12:56:18] <Djoric> and then
[2015-08-08 12:56:28] <Djoric> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz-rsqEaa_s
[2015-08-08 12:56:28] <Alexandra> Djoric: RKO Outta Nowhere - GREAT COMPILATION - length 16m9s - 18151↑458↓ - 1,591,192 views - livinns on 2014.11.22
[2015-08-08 12:56:30] <Rademacher> I hear you, Shqueak. :3
[2015-08-08 12:56:32] <Djoric> RKO OUTTA NOWHERE
[2015-08-08 12:56:52] <Shqueak> Rademacher: thank you
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <Roxie> i'm just saying
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <BlackWing> Crispin Glover! That's the guy's name
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <Kalinin> "We've retconned the fuck out of these characters repeatedly and changed them in innumerable ways, including raising them from the dead on multiple occasions. But don't you dare change their race"
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <BlackWing> Funny guy
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <Roxie> it's like james bond
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <Ireul> .seen tox
[2015-08-08 12:57:29] <Alexandra> Ireul: I've never seen tox
[2015-08-08 12:57:32] <Rademacher> On another note, I am 300% over how difficult it is to find creative commons love for certain things.
[2015-08-08 12:57:35] <Roxie> he doesn't HAVE to be white, we don't HAVE to cast him as white
[2015-08-08 12:57:51] <Roxie> but the fact that he repeatedly has been might be something to do with racism and not "sticking to the original works"
[2015-08-08 12:57:52] <BlackWing> Roxie: James Bond is theorized to be a code name. Having a black British guy play him could still work
[2015-08-08 12:58:01] <BlackWing> The important thing is that Bond is from the UK
[2015-08-08 12:58:10] <BlackWing> You could /never/ have a French James Bond
[2015-08-08 12:58:11] <Roxie> BlackWing: and even then he hasn't always been.
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[2015-08-08 12:58:21] <Roxie> There's been American and Australian bonds
[2015-08-08 12:58:28] <BlackWing> And they've been shit
[2015-08-08 12:58:35] <BlackWing> Who's the Australian one?
[2015-08-08 12:58:42] <Roxie> i'm not sure but i know he exists
[2015-08-08 12:58:55] <Roxie> Blackwing: "the australian one was shit. whoever he was."
[2015-08-08 12:59:09] <BlackWing> You don't even know who it was either, so we're both in the fault
[2015-08-08 12:59:51] <BlackWing> And it was George Lazenby
[2015-08-08 13:00:09] <BlackWing> The Australian James Bond was Lazenby, my comment still stands as "they've been shit"
[2015-08-08 13:00:11] <Roxie> yeah i googled it too
[2015-08-08 13:00:43] <BlackWing> There've been no American James Bond
[2015-08-08 13:00:45] <Decibelle> i think the closest theres been to a "relatable" james bond was daniel craig's, and that still bored me to heck
[2015-08-08 13:00:53] <Roxie> people piss me off though like
[2015-08-08 13:00:56] <Roxie> "he's meant to be white british"
[2015-08-08 13:01:00] <Djoric> Decibelle: except Christopher Lee
[2015-08-08 13:01:04] <Roxie> he's meant to be attractive to but nobody listens to that
[2015-08-08 13:01:07] <Djoric> Christopher Lee was actually James Bond
[2015-08-08 13:01:08] <Roxie> yeah you heard me
[2015-08-08 13:01:09] <BlackWing> Lee was the bad guy
[2015-08-08 13:01:11] <Roxie> Craig's an ugly fuck
[2015-08-08 13:01:16] <Djoric> no, like, in real life
[2015-08-08 13:01:25] <BlackWing> Figured that out after I commented
[2015-08-08 13:01:36] <Scantron> i could beat christopher lee in a fight
[2015-08-08 13:01:36] <Roxie> BlackWing: yes there have
[2015-08-08 13:01:42] <Decibelle> heh
[2015-08-08 13:01:42] <BlackWing> Roxie: Only attractive men can be James Bond?
[2015-08-08 13:01:45] <Decibelle> Roxie: yeah, i agree
[2015-08-08 13:01:48] <Scantron> i'm bigger, faster, and stronger too
[2015-08-08 13:02:06] <Roxie> Barry Nelson, blackwing
[2015-08-08 13:02:07] <Dmatix> Scantron can defeat a corpse, you heard it here first folks.
[2015-08-08 13:02:14] <Takov> Haha
[2015-08-08 13:02:15] <BlackWing> The fuck's a Barry Nelson?
[2015-08-08 13:02:20] <BlackWing> !g Barry Nelson
[2015-08-08 13:02:20] <Alexandra> BlackWing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Nelson Barry Nelson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Barry Nelson (April 16, 1917 – April 7, 2007) was an American actor, noted as the first actor to portray Ian Fleming's secret agent James Bond."
[2015-08-08 13:02:30] <Roxie> he was the first actor to fucking portray Bond you muppet
[2015-08-08 13:02:49] <Bennings> Anyone can defeat a corpse; the tricky thing is making sure they're a corpse in the first place.
[2015-08-08 13:03:10] <Rademacher> Blackwing: If Bond's strategy is seducing his way through anything diplomatic, being handsome is probably a good idea.
[2015-08-08 13:03:11] <Roxie> also Brosnan was American Irish
[2015-08-08 13:03:24] <salvagebar> IRISH
[2015-08-08 13:03:28] <Bennings> So basically noone here can play Bond
[2015-08-08 13:03:31] <Rademacher> I don't think Nelso was -that- unnatractive by the period's standards.
[2015-08-08 13:03:36] <Decibelle> especially not you bennings :3
[2015-08-08 13:03:39] <Roxie> by the way, for all you americans
[2015-08-08 13:03:43] <Roxie> ireland isn't part of fucking britain
[2015-08-08 13:03:46] * Rademacher oooooooh!
[2015-08-08 13:03:47] <BlackWing> Rademacher: And yet Roxie uses that same reasoning to call Black Widow's use of it as misogynistic.
[2015-08-08 13:03:49] <salvagebar> We noticed
[2015-08-08 13:03:51] <BlackWing> Roxie: Northern Ireland is
[2015-08-08 13:03:53] <Roxie> so anybody irish is not "british"
[2015-08-08 13:03:54] <salvagebar> We noticed that Roxie
[2015-08-08 13:03:56] <Roxie> no it isn't you fuck
[2015-08-08 13:04:04] <Roxie> it's part of the UK
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[2015-08-08 13:04:07] <Bennings> How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman? Zero.
[2015-08-08 13:04:09] <salvagebar> when you all came over to my city and ranted incessantly about John Bull
[2015-08-08 13:04:10] <Takov> Roxie: …Where are you getting this stereotype from?
[2015-08-08 13:04:15] <Decibelle> ok im not good at detecting tone, but if you are being hostile, please tone it down
[2015-08-08 13:04:18] <Decibelle> thanks
[2015-08-08 13:04:20] <salvagebar> fucking John Bull and cruel England
[2015-08-08 13:04:41] <Roxie> my bad Decibelle
[2015-08-08 13:05:01] <Roxie> like seriously do we need to get tuomey in here again to explain what the Heck ireland is
[2015-08-08 13:05:08] <Takov> What.
[2015-08-08 13:05:09] <salvagebar> Decibelle: can you play James Bond
[2015-08-08 13:05:09] <Rademacher> Blackwing, that's because Hollywood typically only mandates attractiveness in male actors when it's relative to the narrative, but mandates attractiveness in female actresses regardless of the narrative.
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[2015-08-08 13:05:32] <salvagebar> I guess no
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[2015-08-08 13:05:37] <Roxie> BlackWing: also, expectations for looks of women are so much higher than they are for men
[2015-08-08 13:05:44] <Rademacher> ^ 100% that, too.
[2015-08-08 13:06:12] <Roxie> and if you recall, i wasn't implying that james bond SHOULD always be played by a super attractive hotty mchotstuff
[2015-08-08 13:06:26] <Roxie> i was implying that he's not which destroys the "he needs to be british white because that's what the books say" argument
[2015-08-08 13:06:33] <Takov> Roxie: I can't recall a single instance of anyone confusing Irish and British people, American or not.
[2015-08-08 13:06:44] <Roxie> Takov: BlackWing did it
[2015-08-08 13:06:53] <Roxie> like mere minutes ago
[2015-08-08 13:06:54] <Bennings> I'm part Irish
[2015-08-08 13:06:56] <SoundChaser> Takov: in fairness, even the british do it occasionally
[2015-08-08 13:07:04] <SoundChaser> at least in my experience
[2015-08-08 13:07:04] <Roxie> yeah i think we probably have more issues with it
[2015-08-08 13:07:04] <BlackWing> I said that James Bond had to be British.
[2015-08-08 13:07:09] <Rademacher> Takov, it's usually more along the lines of confusion about what the UK includes.
[2015-08-08 13:07:15] <Roxie> no part of ireland is british at ALL
[2015-08-08 13:07:15] <Takov> Benning: As am I.
[2015-08-08 13:07:22] <Roxie> british refers to "great britain" or the "british isles"
[2015-08-08 13:07:31] <Roxie> neither of which is any part of ireland included in
[2015-08-08 13:07:39] <BlackWing> !g British Isles
[2015-08-08 13:07:41] <Alexandra> BlackWing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles British Isles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand …"
[2015-08-08 13:07:50] <Roxie> i.e even if scotland had gone independent it would still be part of britain, but not part of the UK
[2015-08-08 13:07:52] <GreenWolf> .g tv tropes britain vs the uk
[2015-08-08 13:07:52] <Alexandra> GreenWolf: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BritainVersusTheUK Britain Versus the UK / Useful Notes - TV Tropes: "A page for describing UsefulNotes: Britain Versus the UK. England…Britain… Great Britain…The UK…The United Kingdom…The United Kingdom of Great …"
[2015-08-08 13:07:56] <BlackWing> Seems that Ireland is part of the British Isles
[2015-08-08 13:08:05] <GreenWolf> TV TROPES CAN HELP
[2015-08-08 13:08:09] <Roxie> BlackWing: either way, what you said was wrong
[2015-08-08 13:08:16] <BlackWing> Because you disagree with it
[2015-08-08 13:08:19] <Roxie> no
[2015-08-08 13:08:25] <SoundChaser> GreenWolf: no-one ever said that before
[2015-08-08 13:08:27] <Roxie> you said "northern ireland is" implying that the rest isnt
[2015-08-08 13:08:33] <Roxie> but by that wikipedia entry, you are wrong
[2015-08-08 13:08:40] <BlackWing> You're calling me out on a technicallity
[2015-08-08 13:08:43] <GreenWolf> Ireland is an island in the north atlantic, and also the republic of the same name on that island
[2015-08-08 13:08:53] <BlackWing> Roxie: Are you from the UK?
[2015-08-08 13:08:57] <Roxie> i am
[2015-08-08 13:09:08] <Takov> BlackWing: Well, you can be wrong on a technicality :P
[2015-08-08 13:09:10] <GreenWolf> Britain is the island east of ireland, where scotland, wales, and England are located
[2015-08-08 13:09:14] <BlackWing> Takov: I'm aware
[2015-08-08 13:09:15] <Shqueak> :|
[2015-08-08 13:09:16] <Roxie> over here we say "Great Britain and Ireland"
[2015-08-08 13:09:25] <GreenWolf> the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
[2015-08-08 13:09:27] <Roxie> maybe we're wrong in doing so
[2015-08-08 13:09:39] <BlackWing> GreenWolf: Great Britain, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland
[2015-08-08 13:09:42] <GreenWolf> Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but not Great Britain
[2015-08-08 13:09:45] <Shqueak> Great Britain - everything that is not northern Ireland and the republic of Ireland.
[2015-08-08 13:09:54] <Roxie> but if we're not, it wouldn't be the first time wikipedia has fucked up designations of parts of Britain/Ireland
[2015-08-08 13:09:57] <GreenWolf> BlackWing: no
[2015-08-08 13:09:59] <GreenWolf> no no no
[2015-08-08 13:10:04] <Shqueak> Blackwing, you are wrong.
[2015-08-08 13:10:06] <BlackWing> I've seen it said with all four
[2015-08-08 13:10:08] <Shqueak> Very, very wrong.
[2015-08-08 13:10:13] <GreenWolf> Great Britain is not the same as england
[2015-08-08 13:10:19] <SoundChaser> Blackwing: britai is scotland, england and wales
[2015-08-08 13:10:24] <Roxie> great britain is the island england is part of
[2015-08-08 13:10:28] <GreenWolf> Great Britain is the entire island
[2015-08-08 13:10:29] <SoundChaser> the island itself
[2015-08-08 13:10:35] <BlackWing> Could have sworn that I've seen it with all four
[2015-08-08 13:10:42] <Roxie> you might've
[2015-08-08 13:10:42] <Shqueak> And then the UK includes northern Ireland.
[2015-08-08 13:10:45] <Roxie> but whoever said it was wrong
[2015-08-08 13:10:51] <Shqueak> And that is how it is.
[2015-08-08 13:11:07] <GreenWolf> Okay, guys, do I need to break out sets here?
[2015-08-08 13:11:13] <GreenWolf> *set diagrams
[2015-08-08 13:11:16] <Roxie> Great Britain = mainland Wales, Scotland and England
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[2015-08-08 13:11:22] <Shqueak> LILY SAVE ME
[2015-08-08 13:11:23] <Rademacher> Discussion level: Venn diagram.
[2015-08-08 13:11:26] <salvagebar> GreenWolf: Yes
[2015-08-08 13:11:30] <salvagebar> VENN DIAGRAMS ALSO PLEASE
[2015-08-08 13:11:33] <BlackWing> I must have mixed memories
[2015-08-08 13:11:35] <BlackWing> Oh well
[2015-08-08 13:11:39] <salvagebar> Venn diagrams make me warm inside
[2015-08-08 13:11:40] <Shqueak> I'm good, I live in Scotland soooooo
[2015-08-08 13:11:45] <BlackWing> !y CGP Grey Great Britain vs UK
[2015-08-08 13:11:45] <Alexandra> BlackWing: The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained - length 5m15s - 91789↑1808↓ - 7,624,965 views - CGP Grey on 2011.01.30 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
[2015-08-08 13:11:46] <Roxie> from what i was taught, islands such as Scottish islands and the Isle of Mann are british isles, but not ireland, but perhaps that's wrong
[2015-08-08 13:11:49] <Takov> Can't we just agree that recent superhero movies are boring? :|
[2015-08-08 13:11:57] <TheDuckman> Any man was awesome.
[2015-08-08 13:11:59] <BlackWing> Takov: No
[2015-08-08 13:12:00] <TheDuckman> Ant
[2015-08-08 13:12:04] <BlackWing> Ant-Man was not boring
[2015-08-08 13:12:04] <salvagebar> Someday your nation will be its own kingdom again, Shqueak - someday
[2015-08-08 13:12:17] <BlackWing> Shqueak: Scotch or Ire?
[2015-08-08 13:12:19] <Roxie> gotta love the way Age of Ultron fucked up literally every character ever
[2015-08-08 13:12:25] <GreenWolf> salvagebar: blargh, I hope not
[2015-08-08 13:12:33] <salvagebar> someday
[2015-08-08 13:12:34] <TheDuckman> I hear F4 was horrid…but Antman was amazing. especially the fight between him and falcon.
[2015-08-08 13:12:37] <Shqueak> BlackWing: what?
[2015-08-08 13:12:38] <GreenWolf> nationalism is bad, yo
[2015-08-08 13:12:42] <BlackWing> Roxie: They have to write a decent Civil War film
[2015-08-08 13:12:43] <Live2Away> ant man was awesome
[2015-08-08 13:12:44] <salvagebar> .gis Scottish flag saltire
[2015-08-08 13:12:45] <Alexandra> salvagebar: http://www.highlandscot.net/images/sticker_saltire.gif
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[2015-08-08 13:12:55] <SoundChaser> GreenWolf: don't worry, we'll just frack them off into the north sea if all else fails
[2015-08-08 13:12:57] <Roxie> they fucking ruined the twins in AOU
[2015-08-08 13:12:58] <TheDuckman> Enh. Ultrons biggest problem was no Falcon in fighting the city IN THE AIR
[2015-08-08 13:13:00] <BlackWing> Shqueak: Scotland or Ireland as your "nationwill be it's own kingdom again"
[2015-08-08 13:13:00] <salvagebar> .g Scotland national anthem
[2015-08-08 13:13:01] <Alexandra> salvagebar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_anthem_of_Scotland National anthem of Scotland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "There is no official national anthem of Scotland. However, a number of songs are used as unofficial Scottish anthems, most notably "Scotland the Brave", "Flower …"
[2015-08-08 13:13:14] <Shqueak> I live in /Scotland/. As I said.
[2015-08-08 13:13:19] <BlackWing> I missed that
[2015-08-08 13:13:30] * salvagebar raises the saltire.
[2015-08-08 13:13:34] * salvagebar whistles.
[2015-08-08 13:13:35] <Lily> Hey 19
[2015-08-08 13:13:36] <GreenWolf> Also, the chances of Ireland being a kingdom again are about nil
[2015-08-08 13:13:37] <BlackWing> We have, like five different conversations at the moment
[2015-08-08 13:13:40] <GreenWolf> since it is a republic now
[2015-08-08 13:13:42] <Lily> Scotland is amazing
[2015-08-08 13:13:44] <Lily> That is all
[2015-08-08 13:13:45] <GreenWolf> sa
[2015-08-08 13:13:48] <salvagebar> ty Lily
[2015-08-08 13:13:49] <salvagebar> ty
[2015-08-08 13:13:50] <Roxie> remember how in the comics Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were jewish and rromani?
[2015-08-08 13:13:50] <GreenWolf> opps
[2015-08-08 13:13:51] <BlackWing> GreenWolf: Just needs someone to set themselves up at King
[2015-08-08 13:13:52] <Live2Away> Scotland is pretty cool
[2015-08-08 13:13:55] * TheDuckman shuffles aside all the scottish jokes he's learned in 18 some years at renaissance faire.
[2015-08-08 13:14:03] <Kalinin> .lc
[2015-08-08 13:14:05] <Alexandra> Kalinin: SCP-2962(Rating:-3) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2962 - SCP-2720(Rating:-15) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2720 - SCP-2134(Rating:15) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2134
[2015-08-08 13:14:07] <Roxie> and the children of a holocaust survivor?
[2015-08-08 13:14:08] <Lily> TheDuckman: nah pls tell them
[2015-08-08 13:14:11] <BlackWing> Roxie: And Falcon lived on a tropical island and had a bird side-kick
[2015-08-08 13:14:19] <Shqueak> TheDuckman: there are many Scottish jokes, I wanna hear xD
[2015-08-08 13:14:22] <BlackWing> And didn't have to share film rights with a rival company
[2015-08-08 13:14:27] <TheDuckman> Roxie: Well, they couldn;t very well be related to magneto in a world without him.
[2015-08-08 13:14:34] <Roxie> remember how AOU put them sympathizing with Marvel's equivalents to the nazis?
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[2015-08-08 13:14:43] <BlackWing> Neo-Facists
[2015-08-08 13:14:48] <BlackWing> There's a slight difference
[2015-08-08 13:14:50] <Roxie> TheDuckman: you know that Magneto is not the only holocaust survivor, right?
[2015-08-08 13:14:54] <TheDuckman> Except, y'know, those characters weren't.
[2015-08-08 13:15:04] <TheDuckman> They altered the characters. Sometimes, it happens.
[2015-08-08 13:15:04] <BlackWing> And Rogers himself pointed out how they're similar to himself
[2015-08-08 13:15:13] <Roxie> by sometimes
[2015-08-08 13:15:16] <Roxie> you mean
[2015-08-08 13:15:17] <Takov> TheDuckman: "Sometimes"?
[2015-08-08 13:15:21] <BlackWing> The Twins and himself both volunteered to be guinea pigs to a German scientists for the sake of their country
[2015-08-08 13:15:25] <Roxie> it happens to minorities
[2015-08-08 13:15:30] <TheDuckman> Yes, in marvel, sometimes. Compared to the ALL the time in dc.
[2015-08-08 13:15:45] <Roxie> and i'm not saying it doesn't happened to EVERY character, it just sure as fuck happens more to minorities in the MCU
[2015-08-08 13:16:15] <GreenWolf> The MCU is the one that cast Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury
[2015-08-08 13:16:22] <TheDuckman> I love marvel cause they go 'Hey, you know thise character? No? Let me show you why they're awesome.' And dc is 'Hey, you know this character? No? Then we can do whatever we want with him!"
[2015-08-08 13:16:25] <Roxie> yeah, which is amazing
[2015-08-08 13:16:57] <BlackWing> DC made Deadshot into Will Smith
[2015-08-08 13:17:16] <BlackWing> Stupidest looking thing is his armor
[2015-08-08 13:17:25] <Roxie> The MCU also ripped the twins of their identities and made them sympathize with people who worked with nazis, it removed a disabled character's disability, and it decided to include the tree instead of the lesbian couple in Guardians of the Galaxy.
[2015-08-08 13:17:39] <BlackWing> Groot is awesome
[2015-08-08 13:17:45] <Roxie> so are lesbians
[2015-08-08 13:17:51] <Roxie> more so, i'd argue
[2015-08-08 13:18:00] <Dmatix> Yeah… you're probably not going to earn much sympathy asking to replace Groot with… anything.
[2015-08-08 13:18:13] <Djoric> Groot is immutable
[2015-08-08 13:18:16] <Djoric> Groot is all
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[2015-08-08 13:18:23] <Djoric> and we are all Groot
[2015-08-08 13:18:24] <TheDuckman> "I am groot. And I am grootsexual"
[2015-08-08 13:18:29] <Roxie> i'm just saying that they had a talking tree instead of maybe including a gay character in the MCU for once
[2015-08-08 13:18:30] <Dmatix> He is Groot, after all.
[2015-08-08 13:18:32] <Dmatix> He is Groot.
[2015-08-08 13:18:41] <Lily> What on earth is grootsexual
[2015-08-08 13:18:47] <Djoric> groot = groot
[2015-08-08 13:18:49] <Lily> That sounds weird
[2015-08-08 13:18:50] <BlackWing> Lily: When you love Groot
[2015-08-08 13:18:51] <Roxie> your face
[2015-08-08 13:18:59] <Djoric> the basis upon which all reality
[2015-08-08 13:19:01] <Djoric> is formed
[2015-08-08 13:19:02] <Metaphysician> https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11141160_884486771601036_1384820345344798801_n.jpg?oh=cccd0b54f03aa0ba78a1fad7f3b84207&oe=56427616
[2015-08-08 13:19:03] <Dmatix> Sometimes, I'd rather have an awesome character than worry about representation.
[2015-08-08 13:19:04] <Takov> Roxie: Sounds kinky.
[2015-08-08 13:19:07] <Lily> Ah okay
[2015-08-08 13:19:33] <GreenWolf> Dmatix: this, so much
[2015-08-08 13:19:36] <Roxie> Dmatix: as a lesbian, i think i should call the shots on what's more important "awesome lesbians" or "no representation"
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[2015-08-08 13:19:54] <Dmatix> If you asked me if I preferred a Jewish character or Groot… I'd still go with Groot.
[2015-08-08 13:19:58] <Roxie> like, what you're doing is implying that the lesbians weren't awesome
[2015-08-08 13:20:01] <BlackWing> Roxie: I'd rather have the fun dynamic of a talking racoon and tree than a character whose whole character is "lesbians"
[2015-08-08 13:20:10] <Metaphysician> I am so confused about what people are talking about now…
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[2015-08-08 13:20:16] <Roxie> BlackWing: did i say that, though?
[2015-08-08 13:20:17] <Djoric> Metaphysician: superhero stuff
[2015-08-08 13:20:18] <Dmatix> I'm implying that Groot is awesome, and I wouldn't want him replaced with anything.
[2015-08-08 13:20:21] <Metaphysician> Ahhhh
[2015-08-08 13:20:23] <BlackWing> Roxie: You aren't using their names
[2015-08-08 13:20:31] <Dmatix> I honestly don't really care about any possible replacement.
[2015-08-08 13:20:34] <Metaphysician> Like, I knew Groot, but was confused about everything else;p
[2015-08-08 13:20:38] <BlackWing> You're just going "the lesbians" the whole time without really selling the characters
[2015-08-08 13:20:39] <Dmatix> I have the character I want already, that's that.
[2015-08-08 13:20:41] <Shqueak> Metaphysician: it's best to just walk away slowly. It's madness. Escape while you still can!
[2015-08-08 13:20:50] <Djoric> Dmatix: what if, instead of groot
[2015-08-08 13:20:54] <Djoric> there were TWO GROOTS
[2015-08-08 13:20:55] * Metaphysician ejects.
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[2015-08-08 13:21:09] <Dmatix> I dunno, two Groots might be too much.
[2015-08-08 13:21:10] <Roxie> BlackWing: moondragon was one, right?
[2015-08-08 13:21:15] <Ireul> The stars would weep
[2015-08-08 13:21:17] <Djoric> this is true
[2015-08-08 13:21:18] <Roxie> and anyways, saying that i don't know there names is an argument is shitty
[2015-08-08 13:21:19] <BlackWing> You don't even know?
[2015-08-08 13:21:20] <Dmatix> Groot is singular, that's the best thing about him.
[2015-08-08 13:21:22] <Djoric> three groots is right out
[2015-08-08 13:21:23] <Shqueak> You are safe now.
[2015-08-08 13:21:25] <Roxie> the only reason i know groot's name is because of the fucking films
[2015-08-08 13:21:29] <Djoric> yes
[2015-08-08 13:21:31] <Djoric> yes this is true
[2015-08-08 13:21:32] <BlackWing> And?
[2015-08-08 13:21:41] <Roxie> "oh yeah nobody knows who they even are" yeah because marvel didn't make a fucking film about them
[2015-08-08 13:21:42] <Roxie> and what?
[2015-08-08 13:21:44] <Dmatix> The only reason I know any of the Guardian's names is that they were in the movie.
[2015-08-08 13:21:44] <Roxie> i for one
[2015-08-08 13:21:50] <Djoric> ^^
[2015-08-08 13:21:51] <Roxie> think that groot is just a fucking talking tree trope
[2015-08-08 13:21:56] <Roxie> and has literally no character displayed in the films
[2015-08-08 13:21:58] <Dmatix> That's really not an excuse for anything.
[2015-08-08 13:22:08] <BlackWing> There was plenty of Character shown in Groot
[2015-08-08 13:22:12] <Dmatix> The whole thing about the whole cast of Guardians is that they'er a bunch of total unknowns.
[2015-08-08 13:22:13] <Shqueak> Okay, the tone seems to be getting preeeeeetty hostile again.
[2015-08-08 13:22:15] <Roxie> compared with the two female characters who could've been totally fucking badass and then hooked up!
[2015-08-08 13:22:18] <Shqueak> But maybe that's just me.
[2015-08-08 13:22:22] <BlackWing> He was kind and caring and vicious at the same time
[2015-08-08 13:22:33] <Roxie> he was the iron giant.
[2015-08-08 13:22:36] <Dmatix> I mean, if you wanted to replace Gammora with those two, fine.
[2015-08-08 13:22:37] <Roxie> right down to his voice actor.
[2015-08-08 13:22:43] <Dmatix> I didn't care much for her.
[2015-08-08 13:22:44] <BlackWing> Not really
[2015-08-08 13:22:50] <Roxie> dmatix: wait wait wait, so you think there'd eb too many women otherwise?
[2015-08-08 13:22:59] <Dmatix> But Groot was awesome, so I don't care otherwise.
[2015-08-08 13:23:01] <GreenWolf> no one said that
[2015-08-08 13:23:08] <Dmatix> No, Gamorra was just a weak charater.
[2015-08-08 13:23:10] <Roxie> that's what it sounded like
[2015-08-08 13:23:11] <Takov> Roxie: Now you're strawmanning.
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[2015-08-08 13:23:18] <Roxie> weaker than the tree?
[2015-08-08 13:23:21] <Shqueak> Okay, this is getting ridiculous.
[2015-08-08 13:23:24] <GreenWolf> you are being hostile, attacking people, accusing people of using fallacies, and putting words in their mouths
[2015-08-08 13:23:25] <Dmatix> And yeah, that's a very weak attempt at strawmanning.
[2015-08-08 13:23:35] <Dmatix> And yes, far weaker.
[2015-08-08 13:23:42] <Roxie> because the film didn't give her enough to do
[2015-08-08 13:23:47] <GreenWolf> ops, pls help
[2015-08-08 13:23:48] <Dmatix> So? Is that my fault?
[2015-08-08 13:23:52] <Roxie> because the MCU, as previously stated, is shitty at representation
[2015-08-08 13:23:55] <Shqueak> Yes pleeeeease.
[2015-08-08 13:23:58] <Dmatix> Or is it the film makers?
[2015-08-08 13:24:00] <BlackWing> She kickstarted the whole fucking plot
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[2015-08-08 13:24:11] <Roxie> BlackWing: so either she's weak or she's not which is it
[2015-08-08 13:24:20] <Dmatix> She was the least memorable part of the movie.
[2015-08-08 13:24:29] <Dmatix> Nebula was better.
[2015-08-08 13:24:33] <BlackWing> I don't believe she is weak nor did I ever say she was weak
[2015-08-08 13:24:34] <Roxie> i can't even remember who the villain was
[2015-08-08 13:24:39] <BlackWing> And Nebula was played by Karen Gillan
[2015-08-08 13:24:44] <BlackWing> The blue one with the robot arm
[2015-08-08 13:24:46] <BlackWing> :|
[2015-08-08 13:24:49] <Dmatix> Nebula was cool.
[2015-08-08 13:24:58] <Djoric> good character design
[2015-08-08 13:24:59] <Roxie> blackwing: no i meant the villain in general
[2015-08-08 13:25:05] <BlackWing> Ronan
[2015-08-08 13:25:10] <BlackWing> Played by the Elf King himself
[2015-08-08 13:25:13] <Dmatix> Ronan was as meh as Gommora.
[2015-08-08 13:25:17] <Roxie> i can't even visualize that in my head
[2015-08-08 13:25:24] <Dmatix> A boring villain.
[2015-08-08 13:25:28] <BlackWing> Ronan was The Dragon of the Film trying to be Big Bad
[2015-08-08 13:25:35] <BlackWing> Roxie: He was the guy with the hammer
[2015-08-08 13:25:35] <Djoric> concurred on that
[2015-08-08 13:25:42] <Roxie> thor
[2015-08-08 13:25:43] <Dmatix> Yep. Thanos was obviously the actual threat.
[2015-08-08 13:25:51] <BlackWing> Roxie: You're not even trying
[2015-08-08 13:25:54] <Djoric> the best parts of the movie were the stuff least involved with the MCU overstory
[2015-08-08 13:25:58] <Roxie> wait wait wait
[2015-08-08 13:26:01] <Roxie> you mean the joker?
[2015-08-08 13:26:10] <Takov> You're just trolling at this point.
[2015-08-08 13:26:11] <GreenWolf> :-
[2015-08-08 13:26:11] <Djoric> ie, Rocket + groot + OOGA CHAKA
[2015-08-08 13:26:13] <BlackWing> Thanos setting up the Stones being in the right places to do the most damage
[2015-08-08 13:26:15] <GreenWolf> *:/
[2015-08-08 13:26:26] <Shqueak> This is /beyond/ ridiculous.
[2015-08-08 13:26:35] <Roxie> i'm just saying
[2015-08-08 13:26:36] <GreenWolf> ops
[2015-08-08 13:26:36] <Freudian> .sea personnel
[2015-08-08 13:26:37] <Shqueak> I wish procy was here :c
[2015-08-08 13:26:38] <Alexandra> Freudian: Special Personnel Requirements(SCP-231, Rating:732), Agent Spoon's Personnel Request(Rating:3), Foundation Rhymes - A Collection of Children's Rhymes With an SCP Personnel Twist(Rating:28), With 2 more matches.
[2015-08-08 13:26:39] <GreenWolf> help help help
[2015-08-08 13:26:59] <BlackWing> Infinity War is in three years, yes?
[2015-08-08 13:27:04] <BlackWing> And we're two stones away
[2015-08-08 13:27:11] <Shqueak> Or that Alex wasn't a bot.
[2015-08-08 13:27:18] <Dmatix> The new Captain America seems interesting.
[2015-08-08 13:27:20] <Freudian> two stones with one bird
[2015-08-08 13:27:24] <Roxie> what i meant before was that it was inappropriate to rip part of the twins' identities from them
[2015-08-08 13:27:29] <Djoric> Civil War is a storyline I am really mixed on
[2015-08-08 13:27:31] <BlackWing> Yea, Time and Soul are left
[2015-08-08 13:27:40] <Djoric> but I side with Cap on the registration matter
[2015-08-08 13:27:46] <Djoric> and Ant-Man is on cap's side
[2015-08-08 13:27:48] <Djoric> so all is well
[2015-08-08 13:27:51] <BlackWing> I think it's Accords now
[2015-08-08 13:28:00] <Dmatix> The twins were a boring addition to the MCU, but them not being Jewish is the least of their issues.
[2015-08-08 13:28:07] <Dmatix> And I'm saying this as a Jew.
[2015-08-08 13:28:14] <Roxie> tfw the only characters in the avengers without their own films were the black guy, the disabled guy and the woman [cough]
[2015-08-08 13:28:19] <BlackWing> Scarlet Witch has a neat powerset
[2015-08-08 13:28:28] <BlackWing> Who is the "disabled guy"?
[2015-08-08 13:28:36] <Dmatix> They simply had no distinguishing characteristics other than "vague accents"
[2015-08-08 13:28:37] <Roxie> …hawk eye???
[2015-08-08 13:28:37] <Roxie> obviously
[2015-08-08 13:28:39] <Djoric> BlackWing: eh. It's "wispy red energy shit"
[2015-08-08 13:28:44] <Djoric> it's not even proppa magic
[2015-08-08 13:28:50] <BlackWing> Djoric: Wispy red energy shit that does damamge
[2015-08-08 13:28:51] <Djoric> she's no proppa witch
[2015-08-08 13:28:54] <Dmatix> …Since when is Hawkeye disabled?
[2015-08-08 13:28:55] <Djoric> she doesn't even have a hat
[2015-08-08 13:28:58] <Roxie> he's deaf
[2015-08-08 13:29:01] <Djoric> what sort of witch doesn't have a hat?
[2015-08-08 13:29:02] <Dmatix> …okay?
[2015-08-08 13:29:03] <BlackWing> Roxie: I wouldn't call "needs a hearing aid in the comics" as disabled
[2015-08-08 13:29:12] <BlackWing> Dmatix: He blew out an ear drum in the comics years ago
[2015-08-08 13:29:15] <Roxie> a lot of HoH people would, BlackWing
[2015-08-08 13:29:17] <Shqueak> :|
[2015-08-08 13:29:30] <Djoric> I think SHEILD's health plan would cover a new one
[2015-08-08 13:29:31] <Dmatix> And yeah, that's not much of a disability, at least not one the MCU should concern itself with.
[2015-08-08 13:29:39] <Shqueak> I don't class that as disabled, no. I'm not disabled at all. I can do plenty.
[2015-08-08 13:29:49] <BlackWing> Oracle was disabled
[2015-08-08 13:29:51] <Roxie> Dmatix: kinda shitty to remove the only deaf representation though
[2015-08-08 13:29:51] <Freudian> http://www.scp-wiki.net/uglyflower-author-page um
[2015-08-08 13:29:52] <Alexandra> Freudian: Dr. Flower who is also a giraffe (Rating:+24, Written by UglyFlower) - http://scp-wiki.net/uglyflower-author-page
[2015-08-08 13:29:54] <BlackWing> emphasis on /was/
[2015-08-08 13:29:55] <Freudian> I just found this
[2015-08-08 13:29:56] <BlackWing> Fucking DC
[2015-08-08 13:30:00] <Freudian> and found my name on it
[2015-08-08 13:30:04] <Dmatix> He's not deaf. He has some hearing impermanent.
[2015-08-08 13:30:08] <Freudian> OH
[2015-08-08 13:30:10] <Freudian> never mind
[2015-08-08 13:30:14] <Freudian> I'm dumb
[2015-08-08 13:30:21] <Roxie> Dmatix: well lots of HoH people would say that's a disability
[2015-08-08 13:30:28] <Shqueak> Partially Deaf person right here.
[2015-08-08 13:30:29] <Dmatix> What would having Hawkeye having a hearing aid add to the movies?
[2015-08-08 13:30:32] <SoundChaser> Freudian: it may be a "insert personnel name he-yeah
[2015-08-08 13:30:37] <Kalinin> Freudian: Eh, everyone has to find out about the "your name here" trick for the first time at some point.
[2015-08-08 13:30:43] <Shqueak> But apparently, NO ONE pays attention to me in here.
[2015-08-08 13:30:46] <Freudian> I knew about it before
[2015-08-08 13:30:48] <Shqueak> So, ya know.
[2015-08-08 13:30:50] <Roxie> Dmatix: representation
[2015-08-08 13:30:52] <Takov> Shqueak: I kinda do.
[2015-08-08 13:30:53] <Freudian> I just. didn't think
[2015-08-08 13:30:54] <Kalinin> And then you can begin to get tired of it like everyone else
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[2015-08-08 13:31:03] <Takov> Just not sure what to say if anything.
[2015-08-08 13:31:11] <Roxie> Dmatix: and, actually, other than that i don't know. why? because they didn't do it. they could've done something with it if they had, though.
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[2015-08-08 13:31:48] <Dmatix> You know what? I'm done arguing with you. This entire conversation is incredibly stupid.
[2015-08-08 13:31:50] <Roxie> black widow and hawk eye conversing silently in sign language would've been a nice touch
[2015-08-08 13:31:52] <Djoric> Shqueak: I heard ya
[2015-08-08 13:31:54] <Shqueak> Takov: yeah, but Roxie is ignoring the opinion of the partially deaf person in the room because it isn't inline with theirs. Bleh.
[2015-08-08 13:32:04] <Dmatix> And it might get me banned, so I'm done.
[2015-08-08 13:32:04] <Takov> Indeed.
[2015-08-08 13:32:11] <Ireul> Shqueak: Am I seeing a late night hallucination?
[2015-08-08 13:32:12] <Roxie> Shqueak: i didn't see that
[2015-08-08 13:32:37] <Roxie> and please, my pronouns are "she"
[2015-08-08 13:32:59] <Takov> That's one pronoun, singular.
[2015-08-08 13:33:08] <Shqueak> >.> 900% done with you. Kbai.
[2015-08-08 13:33:12] <Roxie> she/her
[2015-08-08 13:33:33] <Silber> Okay, this conversation has gone on long enough.
[2015-08-08 13:33:44] <Metaphysician> .ch SCP, novel
[2015-08-08 13:33:45] <Alexandra> Metaphysician: SCP
[2015-08-08 13:33:54] <Metaphysician> Of course *you* would say that…
[2015-08-08 13:34:03] <Roxie> Shqueak: i mean if you wanna talk the fact that i probably didn't notice because of my disability that stops me being able to pick out pieces of data, sure, but if you wanna act like a genuine mistake was an attack then go on, be a prick. i'm sorry i didn't see what you had written.
[2015-08-08 13:34:03] <Silber> Op order, drop it, it's only causing people stress.
[2015-08-08 13:34:08] <Ireul> Takov: Damn my sleep deprivation made me auditize that as Jeffrey Combs doin the Question.
[2015-08-08 13:34:09] <Silber> Move it to another room if you have to.
[2015-08-08 13:34:18] <Takov> Heh
[2015-08-08 13:34:21] <SoundChaser> Metaphysician: come on, you know you'd just end up moving back to the site whatever she says
[2015-08-08 13:34:37] <Dmatix> Damn, blast this heat.
[2015-08-08 13:34:47] <Dmatix> It's bloody 35C out there.
[2015-08-08 13:34:51] =-= Roxie was booted from #site19 by YOU (Calling other chat users names is over the line.)
[2015-08-08 13:34:53] <Soulless|Reclusin> Dmatix: I'm sorry
[2015-08-08 13:35:00] <GreenWolf> Dmatix: ouch
[2015-08-08 13:35:03] <Ireul> Dmatix: We can trade temps, its midnight winter down here.
[2015-08-08 13:35:08] <Shqueak> Thank you.
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[2015-08-08 13:35:21] <Dmatix> I'd do that willingly, Ireul. I'd much rather be cold.
[2015-08-08 13:35:28] <Dmatix> At least you can do something against the cold.
[2015-08-08 13:35:41] <Metaphysician> Soundchaser true;p
[2015-08-08 13:35:41] <Shqueak> All the blankets :3
[2015-08-08 13:35:43] <Roxie> i'm sorry for calling you a prick, Shqueak. it was out of line, and i'm sorry. my bad.
[2015-08-08 13:35:55] <Metaphysician> Ah Alexandra - I surrender the burden of choice to you!
[2015-08-08 13:36:07] <Dmatix> This is Jerusalem, it's not supposed to be this bloody hot here.
[2015-08-08 13:36:12] <Ireul> Shqueak: I have three layers on everyday
[2015-08-08 13:36:17] <Shqueak> Yup. Thanks for the apology. Moving on.
[2015-08-08 13:36:27] <Shqueak> I usually have a lot of layers as well :)
For the record, just after the kick, Roxie apologized in 19 and Shqueak accepted it.
Edit: feexd 4 u silb -kaktus
Thread title should be updated to indicate the alternate nick.
EDIT: Crosslinking to this thread.
24 hour ban by Soulless
Logs underneath:
| 17:42 | Roxie | a brexit twerf hatefollows me apparently |
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| 17:43 | Soulless | Silber, A+ |
| 17:43 | Quikngruvn | And now you know (and knowing is half the battle). |
| 17:43 | Moenennbys | Doo doo doo do |
| 17:43 | Quikngruvn | Can you block them from following you, Rox? |
| 17:43 | FFT | geee eye joooooeeeee |
| 17:43 | Silber | Roxie: it's sad that culture has produced a situation where that sentence makes sense |
| 17:43 | Quikngruvn | (Yo Joe!) |
| 17:43 | BlackWing | twerf? |
| 17:44 | Silber | trans-women exclusionary radical feminist |
| 17:44 | Silber | like TERF but more specific |
| 17:44 | Silber | and more diminuitive-sounding |
| 17:45 | Quikngruvn | D'ya mean like TWEF, Silb? |
| 17:45 | Silber | I hear TERF usually, TWERF sometimes, and have never seen TWEF |
| 17:45 | ARD | can you explain to me what a twerf is |
| 17:45 | ARD | besides a misspelling of twerp |
| 17:45 | TombPM | > trans-women exclusionary radical feminist |
| 17:46 | ARD | but what does that mean |
| 17:46 | ARD | a transgender feminist who hates all men? |
| 17:46 | Silber | ARD: extreme feminist who thinks that trans women are, like, insidious fake women |
| 17:46 | TombPM | basically, bad feminism and only for "real women" |
| 17:46 | Roxie | Quikngruvn: i hear twerf, terf and twef |
| 17:46 | Quikngruvn | ARD, a TWERF is a radical feminist that does not believe that trans-women are women. |
| 17:46 | Roxie | typically, i use "twef" |
| 17:46 | Quikngruvn | Ah. |
| 17:46 | ARD | I thought it would've been the other way around from the name |
| 17:46 | Silber | ARD: they exclude trans women, rather than being exclusionary trans women |
| 17:47 | ARD | that's mean |
| 17:47 | Roxie | The problem with "TERF" is that it implies that TERFs are shitty towards all trans people, when it's predominately trans women they're awful to. There's a whole BUNCH of trans men who are TERFs. |
| 17:47 | Soulless | .tell thekillerax (some beautifier breaking youtube link) how hard do you think this is |
| 17:47 | jarvis | Soulless: Hahahahaha yeah alright I'll do it. |
| 17:47 | jarvis | Soulless: Undertale OST - Spider Dance (Launchpad cover) - length 1m52s - 7670↑34↓ - 270,390 views - Skafendre on 2016-04-03 |
| 17:47 | Roxie | The problem with "TWERF" is that it implies that it's unique to radical feminism, and lemme tell you, that is not the case |
| 17:47 | Silber | are there twecfs |
| 17:48 | Silber | trans-women exclusionary casual feminists |
| 17:48 | Roxie | i don't know |
| 17:48 | ARD | http://imgur.com/gallery/DEniLk0 |
| 17:48 | Roxie | but there are feminists who are total casuals |
| 17:48 | Roxie | for example TombPM |
| 17:48 | Quikngruvn | If you can come up with it, Silb, there's probably at least one out there. |
| 17:48 | FFT | I have a universal label that trumps them all |
| 17:48 | Soulless | Transophic pieces of smegma |
| 17:48 | FFT | "assholes" |
| 17:48 | Metaphysician | Thank you ARD… |
| 17:48 | Roxie | FFT: problem with just calling them "assholes" is tht there are people who are assholes who aren't transphobic |
| 17:48 | ARD | ur welcome |
| 17:49 | ARD | (another beautifier-breaking youtube) |
| 17:49 | jarvis | ARD: Neon Seinfeld Evangelion - length 1m32s - 2519↑19↓ - 76,024 views - Piotr Kierzek on 2015-10-31 |
| 17:49 | TheRaven | Do we /really/ need to get into this stuff several times a day, every day? |
| 17:49 | Metaphysician | Yes, and they exist among many "leading" feminist icons. |
| 17:49 | FFT | But why does that exclude them from the asshole venn diagram |
| 17:49 | Metaphysician | Just, adding that. |
| 17:49 | Roxie | Like, I could be a horrible person who litters and shits in your bed but still believe in equality |
| 17:49 | ARD | Let's talk about something more exciting: seinfeld anime OPs |
| 17:49 | Roxie | TheRaven: if you don't like it nobody's keeping you here |
| 17:49 | Soulless | ARD, you pinged every staffir in the room |
| 17:49 | ARD | they can enjoy them 2 |
| 17:49 | ARD | (whoops sorry) |
| 17:49 | Soulless | Roxie, please don't make othe rpeople feel unwelcome in the chat |
| 17:50 | Roxie | Soulless: I feel unwelcome when people complain at the slightest mention of my identity. |
| 17:50 | Metaphysician | Yeah, I can't just go on about the things I want ceaselessly |
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| 17:50 | Roxie | I was just spreading the love. |
| 17:50 | ARD | Roxie we're not complaining about your identity |
| 17:50 | Metaphysician | :/ |
| 17:50 | Roxie | "tfw you're trans" "GOD WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE SO POLITICAL???" |
| 17:50 | Soulless | Roxie, the issue is not your identity but that you want to discuss your identity to the point where it disrupts the chat |
| 17:51 | TheRaven | ^ |
| 17:51 | ARD | TheRaven simply dislikes people frequently bringing up discussions about 'radical feminists' and other such things |
| 17:51 | Roxie | Soulless: i barely contributed to that conversation! |
| 17:51 | ARD | you made TheRaven feel unwelcome |
| 17:51 | Roxie | okay so how about this, if you don't want to get into a big conversation about feminists, |
| 17:51 | Roxie | then stop askign questions like "what does TWERF" mean |
| 17:51 | Roxie | and just google it |
| 17:51 | Soulless | Roxie, you brought it up, started it up, and got it going- and when someone protests that in general, not particularly to you, and you told him "well you can just leave" |
| 17:51 | Soulless | That's not kosher |
| 17:52 | ARD | Roxie: but when I google it it gets autocorrected to TWERP and then I just keep getting the fairy oddparents |
| 17:53 | Roxie | I'm fine with apologizing if I made somebody feel unwelcome, but the implication that I'm not allowed to talk about myself because my life is too political is absurd. |
| 17:53 | Soulless | Roxie, It's not that you're absolutely banned from talking about yourself, but often, you come here and one of the first, or only things you talk about, is yourself |
| 17:53 | ARD | We stopped talking about you and were talking about TWERFS when Raven expressed his dislike for that topic |
| 17:53 | Metaphysician | :/ |
| 17:53 | ARD | Not you, TWERFS |
| 17:53 | Silber | We've asked people not to use 19 exclusively as their personal blog before. |
| 17:54 | Silber | Even when they're just talking about going to the store or whatever. |
| 17:54 | Roxie | Soulless: if i don't care about myself, nobody else will |
| 17:54 | Soulless | Yes |
| 17:54 | Roxie | Maybe it wasn't this case particularly but something about it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. |
| 17:55 | Soulless | Roxie, I understand, but you don't need to care about yourself by telling other people they should leave |
| 17:55 | Roxie | People who've asked me if I'm "some kind of SJW" because, y'know, I've mentioned being trans haven't got in any trouble. So what gives? |
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| 17:55 | ARD | We're not complaining about you being an SJW or trans or whatever |
| 17:55 | ARD | We don't want you telling other people to leave when they express dislike of a topic |
| 17:55 | Roxie | ARD: I just said "Maybe it wasn't this case particularly" |
| 17:55 | * TheRaven left #site19 nodnol.fo.rewot|nevar.a#nodnol.fo.rewot|nevar.a | |
| 17:58 | Roxie | By the way, whilst my message regarding TheRaven may have been hostile, for the entire time I've been connected to 19 today, the only other thing they talked about was to ask "What ridiculous controversy is it this time?" when Soulless was talking about that film - it certainly seems that, to them, Site19 simply has to be free of any kind of thing that can be tangentially linked to something… |
| 17:58 | Roxie | …political |
| 17:59 | Metaphysician | :/ |
| 17:59 | ARD | Site19 and polite discussion and politics do not mix |
| 17:59 | Soulless | Roxie, I don't really have any issue with talking about political things personally, but theraven is totally free to express his dislike for that kind of discussion |
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| 17:59 | Quikngruvn | I disagree, but that's another conversation. |
| 17:59 | Roxie | ARD: And yet an orp brought that up as the discussion, and another politely asked if I had voted today, to which I responded with my answer and opinions and then we /moved on/ |
| 17:59 | TombPM | Roxie: while we've dropped the ball on the SJW thing in the past, the issue is that you told someone if they don't like the conversation to leave. Issues with other users are something for chatops to handle. |
| 17:59 | Metaphysician | Haven't I seen you attack people for certain conversations… like, that the conversation itself should not even happen, not simply a matter of disagreement. |
| 18:00 | Quikngruvn | Meta, not helping. |
| 18:00 | *** Metaphysician was kicked by TombPM (no, really, issues with other users are something for chatops to handle) | |
| 18:00 | FFT | Yea see I have a problem with what you just did there |
| 18:01 | Roxie | I'm sorry that I crossed the line and said something that could make somebody unwelcome. Even further, I regret that not only did I say something that could, but I said it in a way that ended up with them actually feeling unwelcome. My bad. |
| 18:02 | TombPM | Cool |
| 18:02 | TombPM | Everybody return to their regularly scheduled conversation |
| 18:02 | TombPM | or go check out the steam sale that just started |
| 18:03 | Roxie | I'm sorry if these bumps happen with me sometimes, by the way. Honestly, I try my best. I promise. I don't want anybody to feel unwelcome, and I think I'm just pretty quick to draw on these things because in the past in Site19 I've felt completely unwelcome and actually joined when that was pretty much the culture, and I guess that affected me? I'll try harder, though. |
| 18:13 | —- Soulless has banned *!hciwnuD.airotaraperP.aimedacA|ecitsuJ#hciwnuD.airotaraperP.aimedacA|ecitsuJ | |
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| 18:13 | *** Roxie was kicked by Soulless (See PM) |
1) Aren't 24s supposed to be week+ now?
2) (Edited for clarity)This user has a long history of unnecessary aggression and pointless hostility during chat arguments. While I'd say that they're probably the more innocent of two parties here, this isn't a zero-sum game, and Roxie already has a history with it. Long ban on any further occurrence.
Yes. 24 hr bans are equivalent to warnings; if one wishes to implement an actual disciplinary ban, it has to be longer than 24 hours.
Yes. This is a warning. I don't really think a 'harsher warning' is a problem here, because this wasn't a super big deal despite the user's history (although I will say the 2013 incident was incredibly inappropriate on ops' part, although I don't blame Roget for following the lead of other, shittier ops at the time).
The problem with people talking about their marginalized identities 'to the point where it disrupts chat' is that to some people, talking about it at all is disruptive of chat. We ops need to be careful as hell about disciplining for that. (For instance, I would actually like to see logs proving disruption before any longer ban occurred.)
From what I'm seeing here, Roxie was excessively snippy with TheRaven, which is disruptive but doesn't really cross the asshole line. It's minor.
I'm not even sure why she was banned in the middle of an (appropriate) apology, though it was probably fine.
<TheRaven> Do we /really/ need to get into this stuff several times a day, every day?
This seems more disruptive than Roxie, to me, given that Roxie brought up a topic others were happy to discuss, including ops like Quik. And this wasn't a complaint about "I was talking about something else and now everything is derailed" so much as "I don't like seeing other people discuss trans issues too much."
I'm not really seeing a problem with discussing trans issues "too much."
Not unless it actually does get disruptive for reasons beyond the very fact of the discussion itself, such as actively shutting down other conversations, being an outright asshole on either side (Roxie fell afoul of this before), slinging bigotry (which we tend to not discipline for because "????"), etc.
Alright, results of discussion with ops (Decibelle, Pig_catapult, ProcyonLotor, Tuomey, Wogglebug, Dexanote, Soulless):
TL;DR
More in-depth:
Roxie's warning stands as a warning, and is exclusively for telling someone else to leave chat. Even if you're in the right, we ask that you not get excessively aggressive about it in 19. (Simply disagreeing with TheRaven would have been fine.) More topics that were discussed:
It's also come up that we have a serious issue with letting minor things go unlogged on O5 (which is fine), but we are then never able to access logs afterwards and have to rely on playing a game of telephone to provide less-than-accurate context for chat discipline (which is not fine).
I've asked anqxyr if he's able to put together a chatbot to log things. If not, then we'll look for another solution.
I don't personally support a long ban on the next future occurrence unless it objectively crosses the asshole line, due to the odd circumstances here. However, the decision will be left up to op consensus at the time of action.
EDIT: Had to rush this post so: other ops, please tell me if there are errors in here.
Moenennbys had a nosebleed. The issue of tampons to solve the problem came up. Then Metaphysician and Roxie got in a fight. Logs are lengthy, but I banned them both.
| [14:35] | Moenennbys | My nose just spontaneously started squirting blood |
|---|---|---|
| [14:35] | Roxie | Idk if I'm pretty enough though |
| [14:35] | The_xenomorph666 | Really? |
| [14:35] | Moenennbys | yeah |
| [14:35] | Moenennbys | I don't think that's healthy |
| [14:35] | The_xenomorph666 | That nosebleed though |
| [14:36] | Lux | Moenennbys: dude that ain't good |
| [14:36] | Lily | Roxie: no idea who that is but ur def pretty enough |
| [14:36] | Moenennbys | I have a tampon in my nose now |
| [14:36] | Moenennbys | it's fine |
| [14:36] | The_xenomorph666 | Get some paper |
| [14:36] | Lux | Moenennbys: noo pinch it |
| [14:36] | The_xenomorph666 | Tampon? |
| [14:36] | Lux | i almost typed "punch it" |
| [14:36] | Moenennbys | yeah |
| [14:36] | Lux | that would make things worse. |
| [14:36] | Roxie | The_xenomorph666: well yeah they suck up blood really well |
| [14:36] | Roxie | that's kind of what they're for |
| [14:36] | BlackWing | They also expand |
| [14:36] | Moenennbys | that's kind of their purpose |
| [14:37] | The_xenomorph666 | Yeah…..but I don't think you insert tampons in your nose |
| [14:37] | Moenennbys | I use tampons for nosebleeds |
| [14:37] | Lux | well it works |
| [14:37] | Lily | The_xenomorph666: it's not gonna explode |
| [14:37] | Moenennbys | they work the best |
| [14:37] | Roxie | The_xenomorph666: i mean how come? |
| [14:37] | BlackWing | You're better off blowing you nose into a toilet and let it stop |
| [14:37] | Lily | It's perfectly safe xD |
| [14:37] | Roxie | why do people get so weird about tampons? |
| [14:37] | Lux normally takes a tissue and pinches | |
| [14:37] | &Quikngruvn | Something something toxic shock syndrome. |
| [14:37] | Moenennbys | the tampon prevents the nostril from getting clogged |
| [14:37] | BlackWing | It's not its intended use |
| [14:37] | Metaphysician | Because those aren't made to fit inside nostrils? |
| [14:38] | Moenennbys | that's if you eat a tampon |
| [14:38] | %Famine_ ordered too many pizza | |
| [14:38] | %Famine_ too many crazy dealz | |
| [14:38] | Lily | Meta they'd still fit tho |
| [14:38] | BlackWing | Famine_: Lies |
| [14:38] | Roxie | BlackWing: yeah but it works fine… |
| [14:38] | The_xenomorph666 | Yeah,you shove tampons into a diffrent hole |
| [14:38] | &Quikngruvn | Oh for the love of…. It's just a goddamn cotton plug. |
| [14:38] | BlackWing | You can never have too many pizzas |
| [14:38] | Moenennbys | using it for nosebleeds is perfectly fine |
| [14:38] | Lux | i mean like if you need to keep a tampon up your nose for over eight hours probably go to the hospital. |
| [14:38] | Moenennbys | I do it all the time |
| [14:38] | Lily | The_xenomorph666: edgy |
| [14:38] | %Famine_ | mfw 50% off all pizzas |
| [14:38] | Roxie | y'all are so immature |
| [14:38] | %Famine_ | wtf |
| [14:38] | Metaphysician | … |
| [14:38] | Roxie | like. |
| [14:38] | Lux | Famine_: ALL OF THE PIZZA |
| [14:38] | Metaphysician | Immature? |
| [14:38] | Roxie | I don't even NEED tampons and it's not a big deal |
| [14:38] | Metaphysician | This is not about that. |
| [14:38] | &Quikngruvn | Rox, it's a science fact, guys are weird about tampons. |
| [14:39] | The_xenomorph666 | It's not used for noseholes |
| [14:39] | Moenennbys | I'm a guy btw |
| [14:39] | Lily | The_xenomorph666: …but it works fine?? |
| [14:39] | %Famine_ | most guys dont know the difference, im a guy bt- |
| [14:39] | The_xenomorph666 | Same |
| [14:39] | Roxie | Metaphysician: What part of "I don't want you to do that because it's a TAMPON" isn't immature |
| [14:39] | &Quikngruvn | OH FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS XENO. |
| [14:39] | Metaphysician | So keep your insults to your fucking self. I was saying simply because it was not made for that, that it would probably to be better to use a tissue. |
| [14:39] | Roxie | Metaphysician: tissues also aren't made for that tho |
| [14:39] | Lily | Tissue's aren't- yeah |
| [14:39] | Metaphysician | I have chronic nosebleeds. |
| [14:39] | Metaphysician | Works for me. |
| [14:39] | The_xenomorph666 | Good point |
| [14:39] | Roxie | Tampons are literally DESIGNED and PURPOSED for SUCKING UP BLOOD |
| [14:39] | Moenennbys | really |
| [14:40] | Roxie | That's their SOLE PURPOSE |
| [14:40] | FFT | Guys is this seriously an arugment that we're having right now |
| [14:40] | Roxie | They are designed to do that ABOVE ALL |
| [14:40] | Moenennbys | I apologize for starting an argument over my method of handling my squirt |
| [14:40] | Roxie | And you're all being weird about it |
| [14:40] | &Quikngruvn | We apparently are, FFT. |
| [14:40] | Roxie | because |
| [14:40] | Roxie | "ew vaginas!" |
| [14:40] | BlackWing | :| |
| [14:40] | Roxie | Grow the fuck up |
| [14:40] | Metaphysician | Roxie Just stop it. |
| [14:40] | %Famine_ | this is the site 19 you all built for yourself |
| [14:40] | Metaphysician | You think that is my reason? |
| [14:40] | Lux | i mean like tampons might make nosebleeds low in the nose much worse |
| [14:40] | FFT | Apparently so |
| [14:40] | Moenennbys | Jesus christ |
| [14:40] | &Quikngruvn | Meta, your reason kind of sucked. |
| [14:40] | Lux | like if you yank it out it would rip out the clot |
| [14:40] | Moenennbys | I asked for crit a while ago? |
| [14:41] | &Quikngruvn | "Because they're not meant to go there." |
| [14:41] | BlackWing | I just find it easier to blow my nose into a toilet. Or just use paper towels. |
| [14:41] | Moenennbys | I ASKED FOR CRIT NOT CLIT |
| [14:41] | The_xenomorph666 | I heard tampons sucks the blood back in your body….just saying |
| [14:41] | Roxie | BOOHOO IT'S A VAGINA STICK IN A NOSE :'( |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | You want to get it out… |
| [14:41] | &Quikngruvn | Holy fuck, if they work for him, THEY WORK FOR HIM. |
| [14:41] | The_xenomorph666 | I saw it in a ad |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | The blood. |
| [14:41] | Lux | also i have itty bitty teeny tiny nostrils |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | I don't care if people use it |
| [14:41] | WrongJohnSilver | Tampons are great for emergency wound care. |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | I never really said it was a bad thing. |
| [14:41] | %Famine_ enters defensive posture | |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | But that isn't generally how you want to treat a nose bleed. |
| [14:41] | ChaoSera (moc.ares.ton.yletinifed|oahc#moc.ares.ton.yletinifed|oahc) Quit (Quit: Who the <censored> builds a stonehenge?) | |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | And, I mean, this is really pathetic. |
| [14:41] | Lux | like idc whether you use tissues or tampons but tampons are not for me lmao |
| [14:41] | FFT | Fucking hell |
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| [14:41] | Roxie | Metaphysician: But Moenennbys literally DID that so… Yeah, it is? |
| [14:41] | Metaphysician | To be so insulted by the slightest nuance. |
| [14:42] | Moenennbys | If it makes you guys feel any better, the nosbleed is over |
| [14:42] | Lux | Moenennbys: woo! |
| [14:42] | Roxie | Metaphysician: IT'S NOT INSULTED |
| [14:42] | Moenennbys | tampon is coming out |
| [14:42] | Metaphysician | That can stop a nosebleed. |
| [14:42] | Roxie | FOR FUCKS SAKE Metaphysician |
| [14:42] | The_xenomorph666 | Ok, I'll stop |
| [14:42] | BlackWing | Moenennbys: No, I'm offended that your nose bleed has passed |
| [14:42] | Roxie | All you do is complain, complain, fucking complain |
| [14:42] | Moenennbys | so y'all can end this argument now |
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| [14:42] | Roxie | And then if ANYBODY disagrees with you |
| [14:42] | Kalinin | .lc |
| [14:42] | Roxie | "God, you're SOOO offended" |
| [14:42] | %jarvis | Kalinin: SCP-2529: [ACCESS DENIED] (written an hour ago by Kalinin; rating: +3) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2529 |
| [14:42] | %jarvis | Kalinin: His Name (written 15 hours ago by CirclesAndSquares; rating: +30) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/his-name |
| [14:42] | %jarvis | Kalinin: SCP-2588: The Collective Consciousness of Arthur H. Jones (written 18 hours ago by weizhong; rating: +23) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2588 |
| [14:42] | Moenennbys | Oh dear |
| [14:42] | Roxie | Like I can't have a fucking opinion without being some SJW Tumblrina in your vision |
| [14:42] | The_xenomorph666 | Ok…les't talk about ducks instead of tampon shits |
| [14:42] | Roxie | or whatever you want to call me this time |
| [14:42] | Moenennbys | this isn't about the tampons at all is it |
| [14:42] | Metaphysician | "And you're all being weird about it " because |
| [14:42] | Metaphysician | "ew vaginas!" "Grow the fuck up" |
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| [14:43] | Moenennbys | uh |
| [14:43] | The_xenomorph666 | ^ |
| [14:43] | Moenennbys | ops |
| [14:43] | Moenennbys | can you do something about this |
| [14:43] | Moenennbys | please |
| [14:43] | WrongJohnSilver | Yeah, Moenennbys, you're cool, this isn't about you anymore. |
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| [14:43] | The_xenomorph666 | We're not talking about tampons anymore |
| [14:43] | Metaphysician | You were insulting people over questioning whether that is the right way to treat a nosebleed - that is all I said. |
| [14:43] | Roxie | Metaphysician: You go out of your way to be SO contrarian ALL THE TIME |
| [14:43] | %Famine_ | burn |
| [14:43] | Metaphysician | …What? |
| [14:43] | %Famine_ | oh |
| [14:43] | Roxie | Metaphysician: It's not an insult if it's true. |
| [14:43] | The_xenomorph666 | Damn son |
| [14:43] | &Quikngruvn | I'm trying to figure what to do. Since this is a long-simmering issue. |
| [14:43] | Roxie | You're immature. |
| [14:44] | Moenennbys | flip a coin |
| [14:44] | Metaphysician | … |
| [14:44] | The_xenomorph666 | Heads or tail? |
| [14:44] | &Quikngruvn | "Let the participants holler it out" is the current option. |
| [14:44] | Moenennbys | rim |
| [14:44] | Roxie | Moenennbys: No thank you. |
| [14:44] | Metaphysician | I don't really have anything to add because this is just asinine. |
| [14:44] | Moenennbys | .def add |
| [14:44] | %jarvis | Moenennbys: add - noun: 1. (computer and video games) An additional enemy that joined the fight after the primary target. verb: 1. To give by way of increased possession (to any one); to bestow (on). 2. To join or unite, as one thing to another, or as several particulars, so as to increase the number, augment the quantity, enlarge the magnitude, or so as to form into one aggregate. Hence: To sum up; to put |
| [14:44] | %jarvis | together mentally; as, to add numbers; to add up a column. Synonyms: annex, coalesce, join, unite, more», mention, note. |
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| [14:45] | Some_Potato | What's happening? |
| [14:45] | Metaphysician | I was merely going by what has always been medically advised to me. |
| [14:45] | Roxie | Metaphysician: Ouch, you're INSULTING ME by calling me ASININE |
| [14:45] | Soulless is now known as Soulless|Out | |
| [14:45] | Kalinin | Is the all-caps yelling really necessary |
| [14:45] | Roxie | You must be sooooo offended |
| [14:45] | Metaphysician | Okay Why is Roxie allowed to do this all the time? You know what, no - I'm done. |
| [14:45] | Roxie | Kalinin: Noted. My bad. |
| [14:45] | Some_Potato | Wait, is this actual drama or silly sarcasm? |
| [14:45] | Moenennbys | HA |
| [14:45] | Metaphysician (ten.tsacmoc.am.1dsh.68670074-CRInys|cisyhpateM#ten.tsacmoc.am.1dsh.68670074-CRInys|cisyhpateM) has left #site19 | |
| [14:45] | Moenennbys | Shit I'm dead |
| [14:45] | BlackWing | Some_Potato: I believe it's being actual drama |
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| [14:45] | WrongJohnSilver | What the hell, folks? |
| [14:46] | Some_Potato | :/ |
| [14:46] | Roxie | Jesus Christ. |
| [14:46] | &Quikngruvn | I do believe Meta ragequit. |
| [14:46] | Roxie | Long story short, Meta always goes out of their way to be contrarian to literally anything I say. |
| [14:46] | Moenennbys | nick Moenennburg |
| [14:46] | &Quikngruvn | Or at least exasperation-quit. |
| [14:46] | Some_Potato | Meta is a nice guy |
| [14:46] | Moenennbys | fuck |
| [14:46] | Roxie | Some_Potato: Not to me. |
| [14:46] | Moenennbys is now known as Moenennburg | |
| [14:46] | &Decibelle | fucks sake |
| [14:46] | &Decibelle | i come back to this |
| [14:46] | Jarb-Chan | Wow |
| [14:46] | &Decibelle | hold on a sec |
| [14:46] | &Decibelle | im reading up |
| [14:46] | BlackWing | Howdy Deci |
| [14:46] | %Famine_ vacuums furiously | |
| [14:47] | Moenennburg | Started by a single tampon |
| [14:47] | Jarb-Chan | My draft says "instance" 33 times. |
| [14:47] | %Famine_ nervous glance at Decibelle | |
| [14:47] | Roxie | I also really don't like how he implies I'm some kind of favourite of the orps and that I "get away" with shit all the time |
| [14:47] | Moenennburg | asdfgh |
| [14:47] | SpookyBee (moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu#moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu) has joined #site19 | |
| [14:47] | SpookyBee | Hey hey hey what's going on lovelies <3 |
| [14:47] | SpookyBee | I brought the blam cannon :D |
| [14:47] | Roxie | Tampon discourse. |
| [14:47] | Moenennburg | escape while you can |
| [14:47] | BlackWing | "Fun" discussion |
| [14:47] | SpookyBee | I heard 'discourse' |
| [14:47] | SpookyBee | It better stop :3 |
| [14:48] | Moenennburg | It's all my fault |
| [14:48] | Roxie | I mean, it's stopped. |
| [14:48] | Roxie | Moenennburg: No it isn't. |
| [14:48] | SpookyBee | awesome :D |
| [14:48] | SpookyBee (moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu#moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu) has left #site19 | |
| [14:48] | Roxie | The blame rests far more on me |
| [14:48] | &Decibelle | ok ive read up |
| [14:48] | &Decibelle | oh meta's gone now isnt he |
| [14:49] | Some_Potato | I pm'd him |
| [14:49] | Some_Potato | No response, but he's on the network still |
| [14:49] | SpookyBee (moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu#moc.duolccri.llewkcorb.991D5E21-CRInys|525721diu) has joined #site19 | |
| [14:49] | SpookyBee | Actually I'll stick around a bit <3 |
| [14:49] | Some_Potato | otherwise nickserv would have told me he's not online |
| [14:49] | Fiesta | Some_Potato: nickserv doesn't tell you someone isn't online. |
| [14:49] | Fiesta | It only says when they were last seen :L |
| [14:50] | Bouncl (ecnuoB.ecnuoB.ecnuoB|lcnuoB#ecnuoB.ecnuoB.ecnuoB|lcnuoB) has joined #site19 | |
| [14:50] | ChanServ sets mode: +ao Bouncl Bouncl | |
| [14:50] | Some_Potato | It does tell me if the nick isn't on |
| [14:50] | Moenennburg | I wish I could say this was the first flamewar I've witnessed that started with tampons, but I've been to CVS at 4 in the morning far too many times for that to be the case. |
| [14:50] | &Decibelle | well since hes not on |
| [14:50] | BlackWing | Moenennburg: Any survivors? |
| [14:50] | Fiesta | /msg nickserv info Fiestwo |
| [14:50] | Fiesta | Try it, Some_Potato :P |
| [14:50] | Some_Potato | He's on |
| [14:50] | Lux | Moenennburg: oh dear |
| [14:50] | Some_Potato | Decibelle, pm? |
| [14:51] | Decibelle sets mode: +b *!*@synIRC-47007686.hsd1.ma.comcast.net | |
| [14:51] | Moenennburg | Meta quit a while ago |
| [14:51] | Decibelle sets mode: +b *!*@Academia.Preparatoria.Dunwich | |
| [14:51] | Roxie was kicked by Decibelle (based on past warnings and repeated behavior, you are banned for one week. you may appeal in site17) | |
| [14:51] | &Decibelle | tell meta same goes for him |
| [14:51] | &Decibelle | not waiting for him to pop back in |
| [14:52] | Some_Potato | He's banned? |
| [14:52] | &Decibelle | yes |
| [14:52] | &Decibelle | one week |
| [14:52] | &Decibelle | for those reasons |
| [14:52] | Moenennburg | Can I get critique now? |
| [14:52] | %Famine_ | and as for you Some_Potato |
| [14:52] | &Decibelle | he may appeal in 17 |
Her appeal in #site17, with Kens being the appealer (I asked Bouncl to do it but Kens got to it before he could, sneaky Kens), is ongoing, and should be done soon.
