Reixis
24 hour ban for repeated stupidity, and not listening when people tell him something is a god damned horrible idea.
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12:41 Reixis I request an unban. I did nothing wrong. I folowed site procedure.
12:42 Sorts Nope.
12:42 Reixis What exactlt did I do wrong?
12:43 Reixis Because the site has an application section for adult stories.
12:45 Sorts Disrupting the chat by refusing to listen to consistent feedback is the reason for the ban and it will stand for 24 hours.
12:45 Reixis I was disrupting the chat?
12:45 Sorts As for the application section, that hasn't been updated in years because this is not a section of the wiki that we even care to develop
12:45 Reixis Then it should be TAKEN DOWN.
12:45 Reixis if you ban people who submit to it.
12:45 Sorts If it were updated, the people who would be handling that application process are the people who were telling you no over and over again
12:46 Reixis Right…? And then it would be their job to reject the application, wouldn't it?
12:46 Reixis Or am I missing something?
12:46 Sorts You're missing an awful lot. Let's chalk this up to you not getting it, and being allowed back in chat after 24 hours has passed. Think it over until then.
12:47 Reixis Well, I am trying to understand. I am in the process of taking the application down, but I do think that a ban is very unfair.
12:47 Reixis I expected that the process of submitting a story through the adult section was to post it, and then wait. Which I was doing.
12:48 Sorts Work through this logically and stop imaging yourself to be a victim. Who are the mods and admins of the wiki?
12:48 Reixis I understand that.
12:49 Reixis If you think I was being disruptive, I am sorry. But a ban is still unnecessary. I'll stop.
12:49 Reixis This is what I get for putting up a section for tale challenges.
12:49 Reixis someone challenged me to do a tale that is apparently fundamentally against this site.
12:49 Sorts And how did that work out for you?
12:50 Reixis Well, I did not know it was fundamentally against the site. Especially since the site has an application process for it.
12:50 Reixis That would imply it is tolerated, but restricted.
12:51 Sorts You got a pretty uniformly negative response from the very people you'd be submitting your application to, and you kept pushing anyway, which was disruptive to chat.
12:52 Reixis How so? I had people explaining what the tale WAS and I was explaining it.
12:52 Reixis I am taking down the application right now as we speak.
12:52 Reixis A ban is still unnecessary.
12:53 Reixis Also
12:53 Sorts The ban stands.
12:56 Reixis Alright, fine. I would like to then suggest to the people who run SCP that they take down the whole adult section. Because I don't want this to happen to anyone else. it's unfair.
12:56 Reixis I wrote a tale, followed the process, and got banned for it. it's shit and you know it.
12:57 Sorts No, I do not know that.
12:57 Reixis Did you read my tale?
12:57 Sorts Do you think that is going to change my mind?
12:57 Reixis No.
12:58 Sorts So that was a rhetorical question, right?
12:58 Reixis I was banned for a tale that was not even read.
12:58 Reixis And Freudian was sowing confusion by talking about the take, having not read it either.
12:58 Sorts You were banned for being obnoxious and obtuse, and you're trying to talk your way out of it by being obnoxious and obtuse.
12:58 Reixis tale*
12:59 Reixis I am not being obnoxious or obtuse. I am speaking to you very plainly. I am upset because I was banned after following the specific instructions to submit something.
13:00 Reixis I submitted an adult tale to the adult tales section. I was told that there are no adult tales for a reason. My response was that it would be up to the people who run the adult tales section whether it would stay, or whether it would be rejected.
13:00 Reixis I have never submitted an adult tale before. I don't know the process well, so I followed the instructions as given.
13:00 Sorts You're trying to use ancient abandoned guidelines as a defense against doing something that you were specifically told not to do. This isn't up for debate, and arguing the issue with me isn't going to undo the ban.
13:01 Reixis And that's *fine*. If you want the ban to stand, then that's fine. My ISSUE is that if they are ancient and abandoned, they should be DELETED.
13:01 Reixis if they are against the rules, there should not be rules saying they are not against the rules.
13:01 Sorts Okay, terrific. Thank you for your feedback.
Do we have anything regarding his subsequent wiki ban by DrMann?
edit: the wiki ban was for his downvote on Site:Members after getting specifically warned not to do so
He's retarded (and the ban should stand), but not entirely wrong on one point: Should we just go ahead and take down the adult section stuff? It's not used, and we all seem to be in agreement that it shouldn't be used.
I don't have a problem with the adult section stuff, but there does seem to be confusion about it. (If I understand correctly, what he wanted to write up was creepy and no one wanted to hear about it but he just wouldn't shut up about it.)
Reixis seems to think he was banned for writing an adult tale - it sounds more like he was banned for how he reacted to being told that his idea for the adult tale was terrible, i.e. being an aggressively stupid dick about it. But not just for wanting to write an adult tale period. Am I correct?
No, I'm not saying take down the adult stuff just because idiots get confused about how/when/why/what to submit. I mean take down the adult stuff because we all seem to have a consensus that we don't need an explicit section for adult tales. If someone wants to write one, it can be submitted to the regular critique process, which is brutal enough. And while I really really don't think offhand that we do need adult tales, I figure if someone wants to write a decent one and prove me wrong, they can do so of their own free will, without having a separate area for it, and without us giving them the idea that we endorse it (this being the idiot part I mentioned above).
The adult section thing is already a done deal, the pages have been adjusted to say that we're just plain no longer accepting erotic SCP fiction, and the entire application page was nixed.
The chat ban was for being an aggressively stupid dick about being told no on the adult tale over and over again.
The wiki ban came about when it was realized that after receiving a previous 24 hour chat ban for trying to organize a downvote on the site:members page he actually went ahead and downvoted it. And not to voice an opinion. He went and downvoted that page and posted on it immediately after self-deleting his Steve Irwin vs 682 tale that was getting downvoted to shreds. Before that he was having a huge fight with everyone in the comments about how he was getting downvoted, but that thread was lost when he deleted the page.
In order words, he was acting out by doing something he was specifically told not to do after getting a negative response he didn't like.
Sort of off-topic, but do we actually need a whole separate section for a grand total of two tales that will only ever have, at maximum, those two tales until the end of time?
It seems kinda silly to me.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
Okay, let me ask more clearly: From where is Reixis banned and for how long? People are saying the wikiban is a perma; is that true?
That is still, in my personal opinion, under review. At least, I'm looking carefully at the evidence before I make any judgments.
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After review, the following was decided:
Reixis is to be given a one year ban from the wiki as opposed to permanent. If, after a year, he wants to come back and try again, he is welcome to.
"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato
When notified:
<TroyL> Current decision is a 1-Year ban. If at the end of that time, you're still interested in being a member of the site, send a private message on the site to one of the administration. I have no control over the chat ban, and you'll have to discuss that with Waxx. If you have anything you want to say, feel free, and I'll pass it along to the other admins.
<Reixis> Troy, I am really sorry for the things I have done. I have been dealing with a lot of real life stuff and the SCP has been helpful in letting me try and channel that into something constructive. I know I was a huge dick to everyone, and for that I am immensely sorry. I am asking, please, for one last chance. If at that time you feel I am not up to par, I will gladly accept a permanent ban. But
<Reixis> I know I am a better person than I have been recently to the other members of SCP and I know that if I am given this one last chance that I will not let you down.
<Reixis> What I am saying, Troy, is that I will, if given this one last chance (a) Listen to anything an admin tells me, like I should have done in the first place (b) Not downvote stuff that does not deserve a downvote and (c) and probably most importantly, not let my anger drive me to take frustrations out on others in the form of rude and unwarranted messages.
<TroyL> I'll pass it along.
Anyone?
"WELL FOUNDATION. YOU MADE IT SO EASY. SO VERY VERY EASY." - dimensionpotato
He was more of an idiot than actively, aggressively bad. I'd support reinstatement with a one-year probationary period, wherein literally anything even remotely indicative of this kind of behavior is grounds for an immediate permaban, no questions asked. But then again, I don't feel hugely strongly about this anyway, so I'd support whatever the admins decide.
He pm'd me in chat, we had the following conversation:
> <Reixis> Pardon me for bothering you…are you busy?
<Light> Not too much! What's up?
<Reixis> Recently I had a permanent wiki ban imposed, and appealed to TroyL who was kind enough to reduce it to a year. However, I am trying to see if I might be able to get it reduced further. First, I do not deny that I was an absolute asshole, and I agree I deserved punishment. I am simply looking for one more chance to not be an asshole in the future.
<Light> Um, let me take a look and ask around
<Reixis> I did apologize to the people to whom I was an asshole, and I have been trying to be respectful…The SCP is a great stress-reliever for me because I enjoy writing very much and SCP lets me improve on my writing through peer review.
<Reixis> I made a stupid, stupid mistake, and I am simply asking for one last chance.
<Light> Okay, it doesn't seem like very many other admins are on right now, so I'll ask around later, but the answer is probably going to be the same as before
<Reixis> Well, I have been trying to get a hold of admins for the past few days.
<Reixis> Light, I am simply asking for one last chance. I know I was a jerk and I know I will not be a jerk in the future.
<Reixis> I was an idiot, but I never intended to cause a disruption.
<Reixis> I just need someone to be willing to give me that one last chance.
<Light> Well, it's not really any of our positions to make that decision alone, but I'll pass this on
<Light> We can let you know if we re-decide
<Reixis> I thought any admin had the ability to overturn a ban…At least this is what I was told.
<Reixis> It might help to know, in case you're not aware, that there is a discussion about my case in O-5, but the only admin who has chimed in this far has been TroyL, who reduced the ban from permanent to 1 year.
<Reixis> You have to believe that I am truly sorry, Light. I am begging for just one more chance. I'm sorry for what I did.
<Light> Technically, yes, but I'm not the best informed about the actual case, and we try to make decisions as a group
<Light> ALso, yes, I can post this there
<Reixis> I appreciate that.
<Reixis> Good night.
<Light> Good night
So, um, if anyone is particularly swayed, speak now?
I dunno. It feels like he's specifically fishing around everywhere looking for some staff member to convince. "Splitting staff", as it were, always gives me a bad vibe.
ETA: That said, though, he also just seems really desperate, and I'm not sure a ban quite this lengthy is 100% appropriate.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
It does sound a lot like someone told him "Oh, Light? She's the nice admin, not like those meanies like Bright or Mann. She'll let you right back in!" Trying to take advantage of the general amiability and faith-in-humanity of others does not please me.
If we hear a similar story from Photo, I'm changing my vote to permaban. We don't need that shit.
No message from him yet, but I haven't been on chat.
I'm inclined to give him another chance. Ban seems a bit harsh for what really does boil down to foolishness rather than malevolence.
Not moderative staff etc etc, but I think a year-long wiki ban is much too harsh a punishment for something that, while dumb and annoying and rule-violating, actually wouldn't have harmed anyone anywhere except the excruciatingly bad example it set.
I was under the impression that the year-long ban was being made under the assumption that he fully intended to continue being a raging dick unless we gave him a truly massive time-out, and maybe after a year he'd have matured enough to acknowledge what he did wrong. This doesn't seem to be the case. So given that he's at least superficially apologetic and at least superficially willing to stop being a douche, it seems like either a probationary period and/or a (much) shorter ban period would be more appropriate.
Strongly agreed. Let's put him on probation, or ban him for maybe a month if we decide harsher measures are necessary.
What Pig said above, and I don't trust anyone who flies into a rage and is then really apologetic and pleading afterwards. That's a cycle of behavior, not genuine contrition. It's going to happen again.
I didn't think the downvote issue itself merited a ban but I did think it was just a matter of time before something banworthy happened, and nothing that's happened since has made me think otherwise.
Meh, we do get a little trigger happy though. Maybe I'll be wrong and he'll learn to handle negative feedback. If others think we should lift the ban I won't complain.
Still, I'm not sure it's good policy to ban someone for something he hasn't done yet, and the given punishment is, imho, disproportionate to the crime. I don't think this is so much a matter of giving him a second chance as it is correcting the sentencing.
Piffy is an SCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.
If the consensus is that I went too far, well, I'm hardly infallible (just nearly so). If you all think he should get one more chance, then I won't quibble.
Mind you, I'm very serious about the probation thing. Sorts is right; even if he didn't go quite into territory requiring a permaban now, it's possible his future behavior will warrant it. I'm just thinking it's easier to keep him around now and ban him later than vice versa.
I suggested the ban because of one specific action out of his general stupidity: trying to get kids in 19 to downvote the members page, being tempbanned from chat for doing so, and then turning around and actually doing it when his 682 vs Steve Irwin story started dropping. He lashed out in a couple other ways besides this, and it was somewhat obvious he was on his way to doing so before it really popped off, with his conversation in 19 wherein he told Moose he didn't feel the story in question deserved a downvote, and when told that was bullshit, attributed his ranting to sleepiness being the foremost example. That's not stupidity, that's bitterness and spite, and if this is the way he's going to act, which there's currently reason to believe, I don't want to keep him around. Short version, I agree with Sorts, this is probably going to be a cyclical thing.
I also agree with Pig. He's appealed to, what, three different admins about the same issue. Mann, Light, and TroyL. From the Site Rules page:
7. Respect the Mod and Admin staff decisions. If you feel you are being treated unfairly, please appeal to a different staff member, and they will review the situation. If the situation is deemed “fair”, please do not continue to appeal to other staff members in hopes of getting a different response.
I don't like the idea of lifting his ban or reducing the duration further. I feel like this is saying that if you're idiotic and spiteful, we may remove you, but it's okay because if you squeal loud enough, long enough, we'll eventually let you back in. It was voted on in staff chat with four or five staff in agreement. This is perhaps where we went wrong, as it was more rapid than a decision deliberated here would have been and didn't give as many people time to chime in. I don't think we were wrong in our decision, and I stand by it.
All that said, it's really no skin off any of our backs to give him the rope to hang himself with. While I don't like the idea of rescinding the ban, I don't oppose it.
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