pseudosage

pseudosage

Dexanote 05 Nov 2011 03:34

tempban starting 1125PM EST Nov. 4 for…

Beam smack
Sykdroid /v/ trolls itself
pseudosage /v/ is such a pile of insecure one-upping faggotry
Gnosis hey don't use that word
Gnosis thanks
pseudosage insecure?
pseudosage ok
Beam :|
Gnosis :|
=-= pseudosage was booted from #site19 by YOU (don't argue with a Op)
>| pseudosage (~asovren.aixarata|zro#asovren.aixarata|zro) has joined #site19
pseudosage Dexanote i wasn't arguing with anyone
Beam yeah pseudosage this isn't #4chan
Dexanote Aight.
Dexanote So.
Sykdroid /v/ is a pile of sticks I know
pseudosage it was a joke
>| GrandEnder (moc.sregor.elbac.ten.epc.A30ABC01-CRInys|tibbiM#moc.sregor.elbac.ten.epc.A30ABC01-CRInys|tibbiM) has joined #site19
Sykdroid They're all too poor to buy master race PCa
GrandEnder Hello.
|< Penguinizer has left nightmare.uk.eu.synirc.net (Ping timeout)
Dexanote You were told by an OP to not say "faggot". Don't snark back. Tempban, 24 hours. Feel free to come back after it.
=-= Mode #site19 +b *!*@ataraxia.nervosa by Dexanote
<| pseudosage has left #site19

He's free to return.

pastebin.com/tTCeELBa Some PM stuff.

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Re: pseudosage

tunedtoadeadchannel 05 Nov 2011 04:16

For the record, a ban for the word faggot is completely retarded.

A ban for the shit in the PM? Sure, whatever. That kind of talking down to an op is not acceptable. The initial ban, though? Are you kidding me?

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Re: pseudosage

Adam Smascher 05 Nov 2011 05:17

Banning someone for saying a word regardless of context is pretty extreme; it wasn't even directed at anyone. I could understand it if he'd launched on some homophobic tirade against a gay chat member; then, sure, get rid of 'em like you would anyone else stirring up shit or call for an end to the conversation. I also question the stated reason. As I understand it, they are allowed to question Ops, so long as they can do so civilly, and it was pretty harmless sarcasm.

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Re: pseudosage

Pig_catapult 05 Nov 2011 19:28

I think the ban was completely justified. He obviously sees nothing wrong with using a harmful slur. It's not an issue of his "questioning ops", it's an issue of not hurting people. That's why we have a no-slur rule in the first place.

Tell me, Yoric, Adam, would you be making the same argument if, instead of "f****t", pseudosage had used "n****r"? Because the only difference I see here is that one is insulting to gay people, and the other is insulting to people of colour.

(edit because parsing escape)

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Re: pseudosage

tunedtoadeadchannel 05 Nov 2011 21:14

Tell me, Yoric, Adam, would you be making the same argument if, instead of "ft", pseudosage had used "nr"? Because the only difference I see here is that one is insulting to gay people, and the other is insulting to people of colour.

Yes, I would. Frankly, coming from the ops of a chat that A_Fat_ghost used to introduce kids into with a cheerful "hello niggerlips!", this feels like hypocrisy in the extreme, and that's without addressing the open ignorance inherent in your use of that particular metaphor.

It's not a harmful slur, it was not directed at anyone, and the overreaction is not helping. No one was hurt. No one would be hurt if he entered chat and personally called everyone in it a godless dickloving homogay, for that matter, but that would at least constitute trolling. As it stands, we have a user banned because a couple of users in power spend more time looking for reasons to be insulted than they do ever contributing anything at all.

EDIT:

That's why we have a no-slur rule in the first place.

Can you, uh, show me that rule, please? I see one for "Anything excessively derogatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, et cetera", but I'm not seeing one banning the word faggot outright, nor am I seeing any excess on pseudosage's part. Have we begun enforcing secret rules? I hope not, because down that road lies uptight intolerance.

You don't like intolerance, do you?

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Re: pseudosage

Metaphorphosis 06 Nov 2011 02:35

I've gotta say I agree with Adam and Yor in this one. I don't think he should have been banned in the first place, though his reaction was totally idiotic and that totally warranted banning. Perhaps those with power should not quite be so quick to ban as, even if it means nothing to us, to a new user who's never really done the IRC or Wiki thing (like we all were at some point) it could be pretty daunting to say something offhandedly, thinking nothing of it and then being banned for it without really getting fair warning.
I mean, I hate to be the guy that points to the rule book but even our Chat Guide says regarding this kinda thing "Anything excessively derogatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, et cetera, will not be tolerated. This being the internet, we do expect people to play around, even disagree with each other, but flaming and nasty behavior is strictly discouraged."
If we're going by the rules that we ourselves set, I can't see anything in his initial little stint to indicate anything other than exactly what we expect from our users for the most part.
The only reason I can think of as to why this discussion is even being held is that a few of us are a little too twitchy with their trigger fingers. If we want our little club where we can go on the internet and act like we're awesome, I can see the reasoning as to why this ban happened but I think that if we want to appeal to new users to help progress the site and the community we're trying to establish we shouldn't be such fucking babies about some things. I understand that everyone has issues that fire them up (ironically enough, homophobia is among the causes I feel most passionately about) but as soon as we're given any position of power, we have to give up our reactive impulses and act like reasonable adults.

Re: pseudosage

Sorts 06 Nov 2011 03:28

Well said.

Re: pseudosage

Adam Smascher 06 Nov 2011 08:15

Tell me, Yoric, Adam, would you be making the same argument if, instead of "f****t", pseudosage had used "n****r"?

Absolutely. In fact, I have before when someone was kicked for saying nigger despite it not being used in any derogatory fashion whatsoever. It was a conversation about the etymology of the word, as I recall.

I think it's also prudent to note that the chat guide says, "Anything excessively derogatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, et cetera, will not be tolerated," and not there's some zero tolerance policy.

Honestly, if anyone is genuinely offended by words like faggot and nigger regardless of the context in which they're used, I don't think we're losing much should they leave in a huff of butthurt.

Re: pseudosage

Quikngruvn 06 Nov 2011 01:00

Totally separate from the reasons for banning: have we stopped giving users warnings before we start banning? Whatever happened to telling users to stop whatever shit they're doing, and banning only if they keep it up?

Re: pseudosage

tunedtoadeadchannel 06 Nov 2011 04:37

Good point.

Basically, what I'm seeing here is exactly the sort of itchy trigger finger shoot from the hip chat moderation that I was rightfully deopped for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting anyone be deopped, but I do feel that this incident was mishandled in an overagressive fashion.

Take it from me, guys. Ban first, ask questions later is not the way to go about operating a channel.

Last edited on 06 Nov 2011 04:40 by tunedtoadeadchannel Show more

Re: pseudosage

DrClef 07 Nov 2011 16:35

So I started reading the log, and at first I agreed with yoric that the mods were jumping the gun. Then I read this part.

Gnosis hey don't use that word
Gnosis thanks
pseudosage insecure?
pseudosage ok

Yeah. At that point, I think pseudosage needed a 24 hour ban.

Re: pseudosage

The Raven 07 Nov 2011 20:21

That's what I advocated banning him for in the first place, nothing to do with the previous bit.

Re: pseudosage

Pig_catapult 07 Nov 2011 21:05

+1

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Re: pseudosage

Dexanote 08 Nov 2011 15:33

Thank you, Clef, for getting to the point better than I could.

Re: pseudosage

tunedtoadeadchannel 09 Nov 2011 06:26

I dunno, man. Gnosis didn't say it in a way that indicated he was speaking in any sort of moderative capacity, and I probably wouldn't have taken it seriously either.

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Quikngruvn 09 Nov 2011 15:32

Totally agreeing with yoric here. That response is not banworthy in itself, and certainly not worth banning without a warning. A kick with a warning to cut it out would have been sufficient.

Re: pseudosage

Adam Smascher 09 Nov 2011 15:57

Yep.