Cyantreuse made a complaint about ghostpage grouping people who partake in certain BDSM fetishes with pedophilia, logs are below.
19:05:52 <Cyantreuse> Ops, I'd like to make a user complaint tied to a topic control complaint
19:05:53 <Cyantreuse> regarding 19
19:06:16 <%ChaoSerAFK> Alright.
19:06:20 ChaoSerAFK → %ChaoSera
19:06:59 <%ChaoSera> What's your complaint cyan?
19:07:28 <Cyantreuse> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rPev2WjG/ Ghostpage is unapologetically grouping people like me (the BDSM community) with criminals, and while they're entitled to their opinion about CG/l and whatnot, they are still calling consenting adults endorsers of pedophilia, and I don't think that calling anyone a crime endorser should be allowed in a public chatroom.
19:08:13 <Cyantreuse> ChaoSera: Furthermore, since so many people are touchy about BDSM (except when they're making jokes about it?) in 19, maybe there should be topic limitations so that stuff like this stops happening, because I see it somewhat frequently
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19:09:38 <%ChaoSera> I'm not a fan of limiting topics, I'd much rather see discussions about something sensitive more closely moderated. But I will put this up with the other ops
19:10:14 <Cyantreuse> My point is, at its core, that no matter the demographic in question (kinksters, a political demographic, a social demographic), accusing an entire demographic of something everyone knows is morally repugnant — with no sources for claims — is problematic to say the least.
19:10:28 <%ChaoSera> I agree
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19:10:56 <Cyantreuse> If you want to leave out the topic limitations, that's fine. I can keep my complaint about this specific instance, with the addition of the general analysis relating to demographics and whatnot.
19:11:58 <SpookyBee> Reading back, I'm going to second the complaint.
19:12:09 <%ChaoSera> I'm not gonna leave stuff out of your complaint, I just don't agree with that part of it. You're perfectly fine stating your opinion and asking for a limitation of topics
19:13:01 <Cyantreuse> I'm more just saying "if this is an option to fix it, consider it." Personally I'd rather it /not/ be a banned topic, but there have been a few times now that i have to watch someone say people like me are criminals because we like BDSM, so if banning the topic of BDSM fixes me having to watch shit like that, then I'm fine with it. It's whatever option makes it stop
19:13:47 <InitHello> I'll third the complaint, and add that I find it personally offensive to be called, even by tangential association, a pedophile or supporter of same.
19:14:13 <Cyantreuse> Yeah. Opinions like this need to be kept out of public spaces.
19:14:23 <Cyantreuse> The criminal part just pushes it over the rude line, imo.
19:14:31 <SpookyBee> I'd rather just have people trying to dehumanize other people just for having fetishes and kinks get the same form of punishment as anybody else trying to start a flame war
19:14:50 <FortuneFavorsBold> ^
19:14:51 <%ChaoSera> That's fair. If you want, feel free to give me a poke when a conversation about that arises and I'll monitor it closely
19:14:55 <Cyantreuse> Seconded as well.
19:14:56 <SpookyBee> srry if it's unwanted input but it's a subject I'm involved in, even if the conversation wasn't
19:15:32 <InitHello> I can illustrate with a metaphor that illustrates how I feel: BDSM individuals are no more inclined to pedophilia than furries are to abusing animals. That's just not how it works.
19:15:33 <Cyantreuse> ChaoSera: I'll see. I'm out a lot of course
19:16:40 <FortuneFavorsBold> See, I personally like these people airing their opinions in public. Because then i get to play show and tell about how wrong-headed they are.
19:16:41 <Cyantreuse> InitHello: And I think that in 19, there have been a few instances where people have made anti-furry "jokes" involving bestiality and gotten stopped for disruption. This should have been the same, ChaoSera
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19:17:00 <InitHello> I have memories of that happening, too
19:17:01 <Cyantreuse> FortuneFavorsBold: Well, we all love arguing on the Internet, but 19 isn't supposed to be one of those places
19:17:13 @Conwell was opped (+o) by ChanServ
19:17:18 <Cyantreuse> at least not when it's directly targeting demographics and accusing them as a group of gross shit
19:17:18 <SpookyBee> I'll agree with that statement, Cyantreuse :o
19:17:19 <%ChaoSera> Cyantreuse: It should've been, yeah. I wasn't paying attention to the channel at that time
19:18:08 Ellied → Kale
19:18:10 <%ChaoSera> Anyway. Does anybody else have something to add to the complaint? If not I'll be logging this now
19:18:17 <Cyantreuse> ChaoSera: one min
19:18:22 <%ChaoSera> Aight
19:18:23 <InitHello> I've said my piece.
19:19:05 Kale → Ellied
19:19:15 <Cyantreuse> ChaoSera: I don't care if GP gets a warning or anything since the topic in general isn't monitored when people are rude about it (since this is one of a few times I've seen it going on, and the first time I bothered to complain) but I'm gonna watch for any other times it comes up and I hope the "don't be a dick"/don't be a bigot guideline will be enforced in the future
19:19:20 <Cyantreuse> that is all from me, log away
19:19:43 <Cyantreuse> oh, ChaoSera
19:20:36 <FortuneFavorsBold> One more point; any kind of discriminatory or inflammatory remarks definitely need to be moderated. But I share ChaoSera's opinion about wanting to shy away from banned topics or banned opinions in general. I don't like the idea of encroaching on expression, especially not on a writer's website community.
19:20:38 <Cyantreuse> There was one time that Soulless was shitting on CG/l in particular, a few weeks ago, though I don't have logs. Maybe ask them about it, they're honest as we know and would probably remember it, but operators of all people should not be doing this. Hopefully /that/ doesn't happen again, because it's usually just users.
19:20:39 <FortuneFavorsBold> That's all
19:20:51 <ghostpage> Cyantreuse, InitHello: I think you have misconstrued my argument entirely and I am happy to clarify as needed
19:20:53 <FortuneFavorsBold> I'm just one chick, take it for what it's worth
19:21:01 <SpookyBee> There are literally logs right there
19:21:17 <Cyantreuse> What Bee said. If you disagree, take it up with the operators. Your words were very clear.
19:21:53 <Cyantreuse> I'm going AFK now — thanks for your time, ChaoSera, and I'll be around on-and-off today if any of the operators need clarification on anything
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19:35:49 <ghostpage> I would also like to clarify to orps that I did not mean to insinuate all people in the kink community are pedophiles, but that the kink community has a pedophilia *issue*. They exist and do very much insert themselves into that community and it's an issue. I do also recognize that it's being worked on by the community to push these people out, but as it stands, it is *still a problem*. Just like how pedophiles insist on inserting themselves into the LGBT/MOGAI
19:35:49 <ghostpage> community, it is still a very concerning issue to me, as someone in all of the mentioned communities and a multi-occasion CSA victim. I do apologize if my phrasing was off in any manner to convey otherwise than what I just specified and have been working on correctly explaining my thoughts in ways less often misconstrued. If I have upset or offended anyone who is still listening and would like an apology, I am sorry for causing any amount of upset to you.