Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

Summary:

Vandalism

Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

MalyceGraves 09 Apr 2021 02:50

Dr Agent Blue (W: 199d|S: 109d) recently vandalized SCP-178 & SCP-865 adding the following:

+ Additions

To 178:

Addendum#3: On 06/██/2020, SCP-178 had turned up missing during a routine inventory check. The Class 3 Anomalous Object Container and the location of the container had no signs of forced entry. A lone postcard with a picture of the skyline of Cleveland,Ohio circa 1968 and a note saying "Forever yours, Vince XOXO" was found in the place of SCP-178. Anyone who entered the containment site since the last usage was interviewed with no results.

To 865:

Addendum: On 05/██/2020, SCP-865 had turned up missing during a routine inventory check. The secure archive room at Site 73 had no signs of forced entry. A lone postcard with a picture of the skyline of Cleveland,Ohio circa 1968 and a note saying "Forever yours, Vince XOXO" was found in the archive room in the place of SCP-865. Anyone who entered the vault since the last usage was interviewed with no results.

These were unauthorized additions. They popped into Site 17 to complain about their edits being reverted:

+ Logs

7:38 PM <Guest83810> hello
7:38 PM <•CelesteKara> Howdy hey!
7:38 PM Do you have a question for staff?
7:39 PM <Guest83810> so i had an idea. but it seems my se up was negated, i was wondering the official course of action can undo it
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7:40 PM <Guest83810> actually you just undid one
7:40 PM <•CelesteKara> Yes
7:40 PM Because it is an unauthorized edit of someone elses work
7:40 PM <Guest83810> scp 865
7:40 PM <•CelesteKara> MalyceGraves:
7:40 PM ← Guest84411 left (moc.murtceps.ser.h1e48a-PCS|egnuoleht#moc.murtceps.ser.h1e48a-PCS|egnuoleht): The Lounge - By https://thelounge.chat
7:41 PM <•CelesteKara> Oh my god
7:41 PM ⇐ Mortos quit (moc.dnabdaorbyks.bn5hrv-PCS|kcipecI#moc.dnabdaorbyks.bn5hrv-PCS|kcipecI) Reality is an annoyance I have to put up with every now and then.
7:41 PM <Guest83810> explain to me how it is unauthorized if it all goes by creative commons
7:42 PM hey where did you go
7:42 PM <•CelesteKara> DId the original author give you permission to edit their work?
7:43 PM <•ManyMeats> Hello
7:43 PM <Guest83810> well no7:43 PM
but i thought that was the magic of creative commons
7:43 PM <•CelesteKara> No
7:44 PM <Cyvstvi> CelesteKara: Have you seen the edit they made to 835?
7:44 PM <•Edna_Granbo> Guest83810: Hi, I am a member of the licensing team. You aren't allowed to edit someone's work on this site without permission.
7:44 PM I highly recommend that you stop editing articles before you get banned for vandalism.
7:44 PM <Laneous> scp-835
7:44 PM <•Secretary_Helen> Laneous: SCP-835: Expunged Data Released (Rating: +2. Written 108 days ago By: drclef and dr gears rewritten on: 2009-03-17 by drclef and dr gears) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-835
7:45 PM <Guest83810> i didn't do anything to 835
7:45 PM <•Hex> Guest83810: That is completely wrong. That content is released under CC, but you have no right to edit someone else's page that they own. 7:45 PM <Cyvstvi> Ah, my mistake. Wrong number. Ignore what I said. (edited)
7:45 PM <Guest83810> just the 3d specs and the physic gun.
7:45 PM <•Kufat> To use an analogy, the works of Shakespeare are in the public domain, but that doesn't mean you can walk into a library and start scribbling in their copy of Hamlet.
7:46 PM <Guest83810> ok i agree with that, but public domain and creative commons are two different things
7:47 PM — •Kufat sighs
7:48 PM <Guest83810> i am aware that with both I can create my own"work" without the original author, I think the tern death to the author would work for what i'm trying to do
7:48 PM <•Kufat> Creative Commons gives you certain rights with respect to _your_ copy of a work. It does not give you the inherent right to alter anyone else's copy in any way you choose, even if it's physically and technologically possible for you to do so.
7:48 PM <•stormfallen> Regardless, the site rules clearly state that edits to other peoples' works should be limited to corrections of grammar, spelling, or formatting errors. Anything else requires permission from the original author or the Rewrite team.
7:49 PM <Saikonaifu> Hey, so, sorry to interrupt this thrilling conversation that boils down to someone not reading site rules, but what do I need to do to be "identified to a registered account" here to access the other channels?
7:49 PM <•Dr_Kens> .s chat guide
7:49 PM <•Secretary_Helen> Dr_Kens: Chat Guide (Rating: +177. Written 11 years ago By: sophia light rewritten on: 2019-06-12 by pxdnbluesoul) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/chat-guide
7:50 PM <•Dr_Kens> Saikonaifu: Please review that chat guide, it will walk you through how to register an account.
7:50 PM <Guest83810> i am not trying to make a fight, i just want to know how to make my " rouge agent steals several scps across several parallel earths" storyline
7:50 PM <Saikonaifu> Yes, I am on that page, and have been looking for about 10 minutes
7:50 PM wait, I see it now. Gods am I blind
7:50 PM My bad,
7:50 PM <•Dr_Kens> The "Registration" section walks walks you through it.
7:51 PM → Winter joined ⇐ Saikonaifu quit
7:54 PM <Guest83810> ?
7:54 PM <CaptainPsycho2> slunwbdevfrt
7:54 PM <•CelesteKara> Guest83810: You write your own works for the site
7:54 PM I highly suggest you review the
7:54 PM .s site rules
7:54 PM <•Secretary_Helen> CelesteKara: Site Rules (Rating: +54. Written 11 years ago By: Kain Pathos Crow) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/site-rules
7:54 PM <•CelesteKara> Again
7:55 PM <LordofLaugh> CaptainPsycho2: Can we help you?
7:55 PM ⇐ CaptainPsycho2 quit (moc.murtceps.ser.h1e48a-PCS|egnuoleht#moc.murtceps.ser.h1e48a-PCS|egnuoleht) The Lounge - By https://thelounge.chat
7:56 PM <Guest83810> if I put a phone on the table and you take it, where is it?
7:57 PM <•Edna_Granbo> Guest83810: If you want to make that article, then make a tale. Making significant changes to someone's article is both incredibly disrespectful to the author and against the site's rules. Trying to argue that what you're doing is fine because of something that's not in the site's rules is only going to bring more trouble.
7:58 PM I strongly suggest that you stop trying to argue with staff, and not make any further edits to articles that aren't your own.
7:59 PM <Guest83810> i am not trying to
7:59 PM i am a continuity nut
8:00 PM <Winter> Those two things do not relate to each other in the slightest
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8:00 PM <•Edna_Granbo> Your intent genuinely does not matter here because you're breaking the site's rules.
8:00 PM <bluesoul> Guest83810 Edna_Granbo is trying, very hard, to keep you from getting yourself removed from the site
8:00 PM ⇐ Guest68533 (was CaptainPsycho2) quit
8:01 PM <Guest83810> i can see that, there tends to be a short fuse on the internet for some reason
8:01 PM ok
8:01 PM public domain rules
8:02 PM the original cannot be touched
8:02 PM but i can make a derivative work
8:02 PM on my own page
8:02 PM not on the source
8:02 PM <•Kufat> Guest83810, correct, you are welcome to make derivative works elsewhere provided you comply with CC-BY-SA
8:02 PM <bluesoul> i think you misunderstand the license the site operates under, but you can certainly try
8:04 PM <Guest83810> i was not clear where the source material started and ended, but I take it is the whole SCP article

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

Jacob Conwell 09 Apr 2021 02:52

I have no patience for the vandalism of articles on the wiki.

Voting for Perma.

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

TheMightyMcB 09 Apr 2021 02:59

Agreeing with perma.

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

Zyn 09 Apr 2021 04:50

Ban enacted, PM sent.

I will note that if not for the chatlogs, I would have considered this more newbie unauthorized editing, not so much vandalism. However, with these portions of the exchange:

7:42 PM <•CelesteKara> DId the original author give you permission to edit their work?
7:43 PM <Guest83810> well no7:43 PM
but i thought that was the magic of creative commons

7:48 PM <Guest83810> i am aware that with both I can create my own"work" without the original author, I think the tern death to the author would work for what i'm trying to do

7:50 PM <Guest83810> i am not trying to make a fight, i just want to know how to make my " rouge agent steals several scps across several parallel earths" storyline

7:59 PM <Guest83810> i am not trying to
7:59 PM i am a continuity nut

I'm not convinced the user meets the maturity requirements to join the site, let alone follow the rules. They seem more interested in getting their own character onto the site, even if it means altering other others' works without permission and without respect to the original intent of the piece.

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

LilyFlower 09 Apr 2021 11:50

Appealed in 17; as I state below I'm voting to deny as they clearly have no idea what they've done wrong.

+ show block

2021-04-09 07:13:31 Guest26595: hello
2021-04-09 07:14:52 Dora: hi Guest26595
2021-04-09 07:14:57 Dora: how may we be of service?
2021-04-09 07:15:15 Guest26595: i want to attempt undoing a ban
2021-04-09 07:15:45 Dora: is this a Wiki ban or chat ban?
2021-04-09 07:16:06 Guest26595: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-14046239/disciplinary-dr-agent-blue
2021-04-09 07:16:20 Guest26595: here is the court case
2021-04-09 07:17:57 Guest26595: first off i thought this was a living continuity, yes i know there is none
2021-04-09 07:18:50 Guest26595: second i did come to the chat room in earnest to find out why my additions were deleted
2021-04-09 07:19:25 Guest26595: third, i thought the people on the chat and myself came to an agrrement
2021-04-09 07:20:12 Guest26595: then i find someone over reacted and rang all the bells at the firehouse
2021-04-09 07:21:06 Guest26595: after we spoke i did make my own tale and it is going for immediate deletion
2021-04-09 07:22:17 cybersqyd: Guest26595, i'm going to see if anyone from the disciplinary team is around to handle this; you may have to come back in ~2-3 hours to appeal
2021-04-09 07:23:29 Guest26595: ok, that is fine, i want to stay and ithink the punishment is too harsh.
2021-04-09 07:24:20 Guest26595: i wonder why there is not a block on the pages to prevent "vandalism
2021-04-09 07:24:51 Guest26595: thank you for your time
2021-04-09 07:25:08 cybersqyd: because in general, users are allowed to do minor SPaG edits to other peoples articles; and because locking a page is either or; if we lock it, the original author can no longer edit the page either
2021-04-09 07:25:32 Lily: "You should have stopped me vandalising a work" isn't really an excuse for vandalism
2021-04-09 07:27:10 Guest26595: @lily with all due respect, that is a very harsh summary of what happened
2021-04-09 07:27:12 Lily: Guest26595: why do you feel the punishment should be reduced
2021-04-09 07:27:46 Lily: Vandalism is clearly against the rules; and the fact that unauthorised edits to another's work are vandalism is also clearly there
2021-04-09 07:28:01 Lily: I find it hard to believe you are unaware what you did was rulebreaking
2021-04-09 07:28:50 Guest26595: i was very unaware
2021-04-09 07:29:08 Guest26595: and serveral people corrected my thinking last night
2021-04-09 07:30:20 Guest26595: i did not come on here yesterday to complain, but to find out why additions were deleted and i thought we came to an understanding
2021-04-09 07:30:30 Lily: If you were unaware then I can only assume you didn't read the rules? Which is of course not an excusw
2021-04-09 07:32:47 Guest26595: the important thing i am trying to stress is that we came to an understanding yesterday, to not get myself banned
2021-04-09 07:34:41 Lily: I'm looking at the logs and there was no such understanding
2021-04-09 07:36:13 Guest26595: how often does this happen?
2021-04-09 07:37:22 Guest26595: There should be a " permission to edit button" so this kind of misunderstanding does not happen
2021-04-09 07:38:10 Guest26595: unless you are of such and such " grammer checker" ranking
2021-04-09 07:39:06 Guest26595: i don't know, just trying to give my two sense on the situation at large.
2021-04-09 07:39:12 Guest26595: *cents
2021-04-09 07:40:41 Guest26595: but there was an understanding we came to, after I summerize what I should and should not do
2021-04-09 07:42:06 Lily: There's no need for us to impliment such a system, as we rely upon users reading the rules and knowing what they can and cannot edit.
2021-04-09 07:42:50 Lily: I'm sorry, but I'm voting to deny the appeal; you can appeal one year from now.
2021-04-09 07:42:59 Lily: If you have no further questions please leave
2021-04-09 07:43:10 Guest26595: now i know
2021-04-09 07:44:04 Guest26595: well i think you are being too harsh about and you wern't even a part of the original " complaint"
2021-04-09 07:45:31 Lily: That's noted. Now please leave.
2021-04-09 07:45:42 Guest26595: no
2021-04-09 07:45:49 Guest26595: Guest26595 was kicked by ChaoSera for: Yes.
2021-04-09 07:46:33 Guest42838: very mature
2021-04-09 07:46:58 ChaoSera: Banned users are not allowed to hang out in our channels

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Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

Tuomey Tombstone 09 Apr 2021 12:49

I was originally coming to this thread to say perma seems a bit harsh for someone who seemed to be confused rather than malicious but this is a startling inability to understand taking responsibility for one's own actions. Denial is the right course of action.

I guess we'll see what they're like at their next appeal.

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

MalyceGraves 09 Apr 2021 17:11

Noting that they popped into 17 again:

+ Logs

12:51 → Guest40153 joined (PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht#PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht)
12:53 <Guest40153> hello
12:54 i want a civil discussion please
12:55 <•Edna_Granbo> Guest40153: Do you have a question for staff?
12:55 <•Kufat> Guest40153, regarding?
12:56 <•MalyceGraves> Guest40153: In order to have a civil discussion, one must have a topic to discuss.
12:58 <Guest40153> i talked with you last nigh
12:58 <•MalyceGraves> Did you?
12:59 <Guest40153> i thought we came to an understanding @malyceGraves, or maybe not, i know you were involved in my intial ban
12:59 i can't recall if you were involved in the transpiring event
12:59 <•Kufat> Guest40153, what nick were you using?
12:59 <•MalyceGraves> Are you the guy who vandalized several main site pages?
13:00 <Guest40153> i want to talk to just one of you please to resolve this as effiently as possible
13:00 <•MalyceGraves> Dr Agent Blue
13:00 <Guest40153> yes
13:00 <•MalyceGraves> You've already appealed and that appeal is currently being voted on. Until that is resolved, you will remain banned.
13:01 Now, unless you have something specific you'd like to add, I must ask you to leave.
13:01 <Guest40153> voted on people who were not part of the intial exchange
13:02 like i said I want to be civil and not condem myself further
13:02 <•Kufat> Then stop digging.
13:02 <•MalyceGraves> That's precisely how it works. We're a committee, and voting is done to ensure no one person must make the call alone
13:02 This is to prevent specific bias and to give each situation as fair a look as possible.
13:03 <Guest40153> i just don't agree with how harshly this is being handled thou
13:03 <•MalyceGraves> Unfortunately, you broke one of our most major rules and have shown not an ounce of remorse. You are only upset at being punished for an action you did.
13:04 Now, unless you wish to add something to your appeal, please leave.
13:05 <Guest40153> well i clearly don't have your vote, unbiased you say
13:05 <Guest40153> i am remorseful for the minor crime i offended
13:06 but it is just that minor
13:06 <•MalyceGraves> You broke a rule. How I feel about it is irrelevant.
13:06 How you react after being called out for breaking a rule is important.
13:06 <Guest40153> can i talk with someone else please
13:06 •MalyceGraves banned *!PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht#PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht (+b)
13:06 ← Guest40153 (PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht#PI.27.32.7h7.8gh-PCS|egnuoleht) was kicked by •MalyceGraves: No.

Voting to deny.

Re: Disciplinary - Dr Agent Blue

ManyMeats 09 Apr 2021 17:22

I am also voting to deny the appeal. While I don't think this is a malicious user and I second Tuomey that this is "maybe too harsh", it's also exposed that they lack any sort of respect for the space they are stepping into and the people they must share it with. I could live with someone coming to the realization of their mistake, but I cannot in good faith allow someone that just wants to run over other people's work back on the site.

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