posting by the request/permission of MalyceGraves
TheMissingCrew came into #thecritters, was continuously told to slow down, stop shot gunning ideas, and listen to reviewers, continued to flail and got a 24 hour ban from #thecritters.
6:00:24 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: How old are you?
6:00:46 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User 16 bought to turn 17 in 2 months and 11 days
6:00:55 PM going*
6:01:01 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept Alright
6:01:37 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Are you part of the butterfly squad?
6:01:41 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept What's your idea
6:01:52 PM Yes, I'm also staff
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6:02:45 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User This space station ran by aliens where its only goal is to exterminate all life on any planet to become a dominate life form in the universe.
6:03:23 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept Alright, but why?
6:03:26 PM Why do they want to do this?
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6:04:03 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User To be a dominate life form in the entire universe and possibly multiverse.
6:04:37 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept I don't see how this is anomalous at all
6:05:12 PM <Mars> TomePusher: Apologies for the delay, as I was building a couch and making dinner
6:05:15 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Its space station is put with a giant laser that can reach 13,000 kelvin.
6:05:30 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: To be quite honest, this seems like another uninteresting murder monster
6:05:45 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham So
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6:05:48 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham It's the death star?
6:05:50 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Its not a monster its a Space station sort of thing.
6:06:12 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: Yes, but they still want to murder people?
6:06:14 PM For
6:06:20 PM Literally no real reason?
6:07:00 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Well the first destroyed a planet with mirco life on it but the because of that they got damaged.
6:07:20 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept This feels very series 1ish/generic sci fi story esq. with nothing to do with SCP. I suggest reading series 5 and 6 and getting a better grip on what will survive on site and how we write
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6:08:32 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User fine I guess I have to restart I had finished my draft but now it has all gone to waste.
6:09:45 PM <Mars> TheMissingCrew: It happens to all of us at some point.
6:09:45 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept I'm not saying this isn't doable, but it definitely isn't there yet
6:09:47 PM <•Kufat> Kufat! TheMissingCrew, please don't throw a pity party for yourself. A lot of people's first ideas are unworkable. How you behave will have an impact on whether people are willing to crit your next idea.
6:09:56 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept and this is why we suggest getting idea critique before drafting
6:10:27 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Ok… How about a Blob that when touch will revert the user back to a fetus?
6:10:37 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: Why does it do this?
6:10:54 PM What story are you going to tell with this idea?
6:11:11 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User it just does! its like one of those things in the foundation.
6:11:29 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept This is a thing that does a thing
6:11:42 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User basicaly?
6:11:44 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept Which, again, is doable, but it can not stand on it's own
6:12:06 PM As I said before, I suggest reading more series 5 and 6 before jumping right in
6:12:17 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I have old ideas why do I always think backwards?
6:13:29 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept What?
6:14:07 PM .s 'Things what do a thing'- An Essay On Anomalies That Are Things That Do A Thing
6:14:08 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org CelesteKara: 'Things what do a thing'- An Essay On Anomalies That Are Things That Do A Thing (Rating: +96. Written 2 years ago By: Uncle Nicolini) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/things-what-do-a-thing-an-essay-on-things
6:14:13 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept I think you should check out this guide
6:14:15 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User You said my first idea would be 1ish.
6:14:36 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: It reminds me of something written in 2008, which isn't how we write on site anymore
6:14:43 PM <•nk> Essay, not a guide! Very important distinction!
6:14:50 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User huh?
6:15:04 PM <•nk> Guides are "this is how you do this" essays are opinion pieces, which that article is
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6:15:42 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept Oh
6:15:43 PM Oops
6:16:09 PM My point still stands, you should read that
6:16:13 PM <Mars> Question for TheMissingCrew, if I may interject.
6:16:22 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User yes?
6:16:42 PM <Mars> What's your favorite SCP that you've read? And why
6:17:29 PM Take your time with this answer, because it's important in helping you write your next idea, or rethink your current one
6:18:37 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User SCP-006-J because oh its object class and just the caption of the pictures.
6:18:37 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org TheMissingCrew: SCP-006-J: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING (Rating: +1420. Written 9 years ago By: Salman Corbette) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-006-j
6:19:51 PM <Mars> So you like it just because of the way it's written and the imagery provided
6:19:57 PM Nothing wrong with that
6:20:52 PM But this is an article that was written nearly a decade ago. Mind you, I haven't read it, but I do not think the same standards we have for writing /now/ would allow for this article to survive if it was posted today.
6:20:58 PM Even for a -j
6:21:01 PM Make sense?
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6:21:34 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User But overall not a joke SCP is SCP-1863 because of all its weirdness and everything else about it.
6:21:54 PM <Mars> SCP-1863
6:21:54 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org Mars: SCP-1863: Lime Liftoff and Sarsaparilla Cream (Rating: +182. Written 7 years ago By: Ihp) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1863
6:22:06 PM <Mars> What else about it do you mean?
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6:23:32 PM <Mars> As in, define 'everything else about it'
6:24:01 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Like the part where it says [Data Expunged] like what happens?
6:24:16 PM — Mars nods
6:24:44 PM <Mars> Okay, so mystery and the overall weirdness
6:25:50 PM So, blackboxing and data expunged have sort of fizzled out of existence as the wiki has progressed. They're generally really bad forms of writing and rarely ever serve an actual plot-relevant purpose.
6:25:54 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User And how the people who drink -B somehow get aggresive to people who drank -A. like how?
6:26:14 PM <Mars> However there are other ways to genetate mystery beyond the blackbox.
6:26:50 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Im just having trouble making good ideas!
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6:27:33 PM <Mars> Basically, for your idea, you as the author should know everything about your anomaly inside and out. Then you feed us, the reader, the most interesting and relevant information from that. This will generate mystery, like how 1863 uses blackboxes, just better
6:27:36 PM Better imo
6:27:56 PM Getting ideas can be hard, I get that.
6:28:01 PM Do you read the site often?
6:28:20 PM Like newer stuff or goi formats, tales, top rated of the month etx
6:29:01 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User How about a book that who ever reads it their life literaly gets sucked into the book. When its all in the host who we call -A dies?
6:31:41 PM <Mars> Alright so
6:31:58 PM Can you answer my question before suggesting another idea?
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6:32:28 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Yes I guess?
6:32:56 PM <Mars> You guess that you do read the site or you don't?
6:33:03 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I do
6:35:16 PM <Mars> Right
6:35:18 PM So
6:36:05 PM Here's my suggestion, considering that all the ideas you've pitched so far have been, quite frankly, not very compelling.
6:36:08 PM Take some time
6:36:10 PM Read a ton
6:36:19 PM The wiki is not going anywhere
6:40:55 PM <Mars> TheMissingCrew: So that's my homework for you.
6:42:10 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User ok
6:42:43 PM <Mars> Yeswastaken: Pitch me your idea in about fifteen minutes
6:42:58 PM <Yeswastaken> The Lounge User ok ty
6:44:29 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Mars: Imma tell you mine in a few!
6:52:37 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Mars: I got it! A blob that what evert it touches get absorbed into it and because of this it grows in size and can morph into different objects to lure its victims?
6:54:43 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept TheMissingCrew: slow down a bit
6:55:03 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Is it good?
6:55:19 PM <CatgirlKazu> The Lounge User not unless you have a plot with an ending in mind, no
6:55:43 PM <•CelesteKara> Abrasive little sprinkle gremlin who is socially inept Themissingcrew: I'm asking you to slow down and take what Mars said before into mind
1:09:10 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I have an idea for my SCP! An island where time moves faster than normal?
1:13:14 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Mars: My idea for an SCP. An island in which time moves faster than normal. Like way faster!
1:15:05 PM <Mars> TheMissingCrew: What's the narrative?
1:15:39 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Its just an idea!
1:16:16 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User Your idea should have a narrative, TheMissingCrew.
1:17:35 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User What do you guys mean by narrative?
1:17:43 PM <Mars> A story line.
1:17:49 PM These are short stories at the end of the day.
1:18:00 PM Like this article I'm working on now.
1:27:12 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User How about an algorithm which summons a swarm of cockroaches?
1:28:21 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User TheMissingCrew: I'm not sure you're getting it. An idea with no narrative is not going to work, especially for new authors. Instead of just spitballing idea after idea, slow down and try to develop one idea farther than just "OH! This thing does this cool thing!"
1:28:55 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I just wanna know if it would work for series 5-6.
1:29:27 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User Any idea can work for Series VI, but it has to be more than just "cool thing does cool thing". It needs to have a narrative or it would inevitably fail.
1:29:52 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham TheMissingCrew: What you're doing right now is what we call "idea shotgunning" - throwing out a bunch of half-formed ideas is not going to work well here. You
1:30:16 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User How about a desktop with an algorithm that could launch every nuke on earth?
1:30:18 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User For example, your earlier idea about an island where time goes faster. This is not a bad idea, but it needs more. Who discovers it? What do they do? How do they react?
1:30:28 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham *You're also repeatedly ignoring the "you need a narrative" point that you've been told several times now - just a thing and what it does is not enough for us to tell you if we think it'll work
1:30:44 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User DrFullham: I don't know about you, but I'm about to say the forbidden word as my mind slowly oozes out my ears.
1:31:13 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User well i don't know what the heck you mean when my IDEAS need a naritive!
1:31:36 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham TheMissingCrew: The core of a modern SCP isn't the anomalous thing.
1:31:49 PM It's what happens with, because of, or otherwise related to it.
1:31:59 PM Have you read many modern SCPs?
1:32:54 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User TheMissingCrew: Let me say this plainly for you. Your idea *needs* a narrative.
1:33:51 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham Let me give you an example. My second SCP is a teddy bear that lets you re-live memories of lost parents. That's the anomaly and what it does. Just a thing that does a thing.
1:34:25 PM The *narrative* is about how the SCP was created; it's a story of a mother's love for her son that's so strong that when she dies, it creates an anomaly so that he can always be close to her
1:34:46 PM And how the son learns to accept the loss and move on.
1:35:14 PM That's what we mean by narrative. It has to have some sort of emotional element - the emotion can be anything, though: fear, empathy, sadness, even flat-out disgust
1:35:45 PM Most of the early series SCPs relied on the fear generated by simply not understanding what was going on, but we've by and large moved past that now.
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1:36:14 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User How about a bucket that when ever something goes in it it disappears. This was found when a farmers crops would never get water because of the bucket?
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1:36:32 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham Did you even read any of what I just said
1:36:43 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I did
1:36:49 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham So what's the narrative
1:37:04 PM What gets me emotionally invested in this bucket
1:37:56 PM Because as is it's just another thing that does a thing like every other idea you've pitched in the last twenty minutes.
1:38:01 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User The farmer bought the bucket from the dark web. He didn't know what the "Dark web" was.
1:38:10 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich 👁️
1:38:30 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham That's a thing that happens. That's not a narrative. Why do I care?
1:38:48 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User After a couple of days the bucket came with a note that said "Reminder: Don't try to put anything in this bucket.
1:39:28 PM <Savan> Savanac ooo, I bet he's gonna put something in the bucket!!
1:39:45 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich TheMissingCrew: I realize that you are getting frustrated here, so I'm going to be very clear
1:40:19 PM SCPs are just a way of telling a story, not just a catalogue item of some weird thing.
1:40:27 PM If your shit isn't telling a story, it will fail.
1:40:38 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User alright
1:40:50 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich If you don't understand how to tell a story, coming up with a new idea without a story is just wasting everyone's time
1:41:25 PM You're welcome to post whatever you want to the site, but spitballing ideas the way you have is accomplishing nothing
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1:44:00 PM <Savan> Savanac TheMissingCrew: It may benefit you to try thinking of a story and then an anomaly rather than an anomaly and then a story. Think not what a story can do for your skip, but rather what your skip can do for a story. (edited)
1:44:32 PM anomaly and then a story**
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1:45:30 PM <•cybersqyd> morg (Im going to politely request no-one else jumps in here; the point has been made, it does not need to be made further without additional input)
1:45:58 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham TheMissingCrew: Think of it this way: The anomalous item/place/being/whatever is vehicle, the narrative is the person driving, the readers are the passengers. You can have the shiniest, most polished, most interesting vehicle in the world, but without the driver, the passengers aren't going anywhere. Where is the narrative taking the readers, and how is it getting them there?
1:46:17 PM <•cybersqyd> morg fullham that applies to you too
1:46:30 PM <•DrFullham> Doctor Fullham okay, sorry
1:46:54 PM I thought you meant nobody who wasn't already part of the conversation
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1:47:25 PM <•cybersqyd> morg dw about it
2:07:49 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I need help!
2:08:06 PM <Savan> Savanac What do you need help with TheMissingCrew?
2:10:08 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Savan: getting ideas somebody said one of my ideas was shit!
2:11:28 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich TheMissingCrew: It isn't the job of other reviewers to give you ideas or teach you how to write.
2:11:34 PM How old are you, mate?
2:12:11 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User 16 its just that I have trouble coming up with ideas. When I do they say its more "1ish" what ever that means?
2:12:33 PM <•cybersqyd> morg They mean it comes across as something from SCP Series 1, the original SCPs
2:12:47 PM specifically in that it's just a weird thing without you really doing anything to explore why the weird thing is interesting
2:12:58 PM SCP-173 is perhaps the best example of this style
2:12:58 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org cybersqyd: SCP-173: The Original (Rating: +6687. Written 12 years ago By: moto42) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173
2:13:07 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User oh
2:13:29 PM <•cybersqyd> morg have you read many recent SCPs?
2:14:09 PM <•cybersqyd> morg i mean it's the oldest scp, and also the most well known one so.
<TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I have an idea. Bracelets which make the wearer invincible. The foundation found out about this because 2 girls who bought some wore them to school and the school principal called their parents so tell them that they weren't at school.
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2:35:54 PM <Savan> Savanac ThisMightBeAuto: No big conclusion is ever breached, ooo, it turns out they've evolved into shipping containers! but… nothing happens after that, that's it for the whole story. The entire thing was a reveal about what the anomaly actually is. It's not insanely shallow, but I think it could dig a little deeper
2:35:54 PM <CatgirlKazu> The Lounge User Are you old enough to have joined the site?
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2:36:08 PM <•ocuin> Luca CatgirlKazu: please leave age-questioning to staff members
2:36:33 PM <CatgirlKazu> The Lounge User I mean obviously he's not going to say it upfront if he's actually 15, so it was only really meant as an insult
2:36:57 PM <Savan> Savanac TheMissingCrew: I think you're on the right track, but that's a simple backstory rather than a narrative that can play out over the course of an article.
2:37:15 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Thanks but how could i extend it?
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2:37:27 PM <Mars> Can I interest anyone in a 3.7k article about fifthists, meat pillars, eyes and a space monster?
2:37:28 PM <•ocuin> Luca CatgirlKazu: This is really not helping your case
2:37:34 PM <CatgirlKazu> The Lounge User yeah, sorry.
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2:37:38 PM <•ocuin> Luca Thank you
2:38:08 PM <Troy> The Lounge User First draft of my first SCP. Any and all feedback appreciated. Just pm me your feedback on wikidot. http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/troy-lexing
2:38:58 PM <Voidlocke> The Lounge User http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/forum/t-14012413/the-chamber-of-eternity#post-4913432 <- Idea forum post
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2:39:06 PM <Voidlocke> The Lounge User Would love any feedback
2:39:23 PM <•Zoobeeny> The Lounge User Troy: Do you have greenlights?
2:40:18 PM <Savan> Savanac TheMissingCrew: I can't help you extend it because there is no real basis of which anything can be extended. It's a couple of invisibility cuffs and that's it, I can't think of a whole narrative for you. Not to mention the fact that two girls reportedly not being in school is not going to attract Foundation attention, perhaps local police.
2:48:07 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User Savan: yeah you right. How about a syringe with a fluid that turns the user into their spirit animal?
2:49:37 PM <•ocuin> Luca TheMissingCrew: You've been asked not to shotgun ideas into chat already today. You will not be asked again.
2:50:30 PM <ABrunzell> The Lounge User TheMissingCrew You bring up compound ideas, but your idea does not matter any longer unless you have a meaningful story behind it. As many here in this chat have told you several times
2:50:48 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I just wanna know if they are good!
2:51:04 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich No, I'm putting my foot down now. I've watched this go on all day
2:51:29 PM TheMissingCrew: You've been in here for hours soaking up resources and gaining nothing
2:51:56 PM Read more and stop shotgunning ideas that have no content
2:52:08 PM I can't possibly be any clearer.
2:52:12 PM <TheMissingCrew> The Lounge User I freaking am asking if my ideas could work!
2:52:20 PM <•MalyceGraves> archlich And you've been repeatedly told to read more
2:52:29 PM I'm done with this. You can come back in 24 hours.
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