User has continuously disregarded and disrespected critters and crit staff.
[2020-10-20 17:29:37] <chaucer345> Anyone fancy a look at my latest draft version
[2020-10-20 17:29:39] <chaucer345> ?
[2020-10-20 17:30:37] <Attila_the_Pun> chaucer345, Do you want to trade?
[2020-10-20 17:31:09] <chaucer345> Sure, what do you have for me?
[2020-10-20 17:31:24] <Attila_the_Pun> Here's mine: http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/attila
[2020-10-20 17:32:03] <chaucer345> And here's mine! http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/chaucer345
[2020-10-20 17:32:30] <Attila_the_Pun> Oh, this is a long one
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[2020-10-20 17:34:33] <Attila_the_Pun> I'm going to ignore stuff like phrasing and SPaG, because otherwise I'll be here all night
[2020-10-20 17:36:14] <Attila_the_Pun> "Its facial expressions are less pronounced than on a typical human, so this seems to be one of its primary forms of non-verbal communication." Shouldn't this be "more pronounced"?
[2020-10-20 17:39:43] <chaucer345> I admit, I don't get it. Wouldn't more pronounced facial expressions be easier to read?
[2020-10-20 17:41:06] <Attila_the_Pun> Exactly
[2020-10-20 17:41:35] <chaucer345> Okay, but it's saying the color changing is its primary form of non-verbal communication.
[2020-10-20 17:41:45] <chaucer345> Not the facial expressions.
[2020-10-20 17:42:04] <Attila_the_Pun> The sentence is saying that facial expressions are the primary mode of communication
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[2020-10-20 17:45:43] <chaucer345> fixing.
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[2020-10-20 17:47:48] <chaucer345> Sorry, that got confused. It should be fixed now.
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[2020-10-20 17:51:31] <Attila_the_Pun> "However, I'm much more interested in the fact that you recovered before your colleagues." She's a lizard. I'd be more surprised if she wasn't affected differently
[2020-10-20 17:53:20] <chaucer345> See, here's the thing about Green… She's fucking with Synix for more information.
[2020-10-20 17:53:42] <chaucer345> She's hoping Synix slips up and gives her a hint.
[2020-10-20 17:55:25] <Attila_the_Pun> About what?
[2020-10-20 17:55:45] <chaucer345> Her abilities, her physiology, anything really.
[2020-10-20 17:56:34] <chaucer345> Green wants to know how this 'thing' ticks so she can keep it tightly pinned down.
[2020-10-20 17:57:22] <chaucer345> And she does not buy the idea that Synix has told her everything. Even if Synix has told her everything she thinks she knows.
[2020-10-20 17:57:50] <Attila_the_Pun> Maybe an interviewer's note or something could clear that up, because right now I have no idea what's going through Green's head
[2020-10-20 17:58:20] <chaucer345> I'll make a note.
[2020-10-20 17:58:45] <Attila_the_Pun> Also, referring to SCPs or D-classes by their names is a big immersion breaker
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[2020-10-20 17:59:31] <Attila_the_Pun> I saw the note where you try to explain it, but it's really distracting, and it really wouldn't be any harder to identify them by their numbers
[2020-10-20 17:59:39] <BB> Hmm…. can anyone assist me/decide for me on a new SCP i'm thinking about?
[2020-10-20 17:59:56] <BB> I'm having trouble as to whether or not to go through with it because it's kind of dark.
[2020-10-20 18:01:04] <BB> Anyone interested?
[2020-10-20 18:01:07] <GrigoriKarpin> Oof… I hate that. I hate that researcher are consistently dehumanizing people by calling them numbers. It’s also weirdly like US prison system inspired which ain’t a good look. I would say that a doctor trying to get information out of a sentient entity wouldn’t try to alienate the entity.
[2020-10-20 18:01:54] <BB> well it depends on the entity itself :/ I mean alienating might be required- it could give off a deadly toxin through it's breathing without even being aware of it or something.
[2020-10-20 18:01:56] <Attila_the_Pun> I mean in documentation. In dialogue it's fine
[2020-10-20 18:02:06] <GrigoriKarpin> Ohhhhhh
[2020-10-20 18:02:19] <GrigoriKarpin> Yea that makes sense
[2020-10-20 18:02:33] <Spaceex9> can i send in my draft? it's a sandbox
[2020-10-20 18:03:00] <chaucer345> GrigoriKarpin Except in this case, trying to befriend the entity could cause Green to enter it's psychic network, which would disrupt the tests she's performing.
[2020-10-20 18:03:57] <GrigoriKarpin> Fine. But again, I’m talking about it being the baseline. Insisting of dehumanizing a person, alien or not, in general wouldn’t help someone get to know that entity.
[2020-10-20 18:04:33] <GrigoriKarpin> Just feels old fashioned in 99% of the logs where I see someone say the word “SCP-XXXX” or whatever in an interview
[2020-10-20 18:04:59] <chaucer345> And honestly, there was so much confusion in the previous version.
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[2020-10-20 18:05:51] <BB> Well dehumanizing or not it would fit just fine in this scenario; as one of the quotes i've seen stated about the SCP-Foundation itself, the foundation is supposed to be "Cold, not evil", so such things would be expected in this scenario :/
[2020-10-20 18:06:19] <chaucer345> Side note GrigoriKarpin, I totally get where you're coming from here and in fact it's kind of the point. Have you read the new draft version yet for context on all of this?
[2020-10-20 18:06:27] <GrigoriKarpin> No
[2020-10-20 18:06:36] <GrigoriKarpin> I’ll leave my feedback when I have.
[2020-10-20 18:06:57] <chaucer345> Got it, sorry, you had just joined in with the note, so I was not sure.
[2020-10-20 18:07:36] <GrigoriKarpin> No worries
[2020-10-20 18:08:58] <chaucer345> Attila_the_Pun I admit, humanizing the D class and knowing who's who is so important here I don't think I could change the way they're listed in the transcript without seriously damaging what I was going for.
[2020-10-20 18:10:02] <BB> No one would blame you for alienating the D-Class anyway. Don't forget the majority of them are basically just ex-cons/murderers who were put on death row to begin with.
[2020-10-20 18:10:22] <Attila_the_Pun> Either way, I cannot get over the fact that first names are used in official Foundation documentation. I think you are seriously overthinking this
[2020-10-20 18:10:27] <chaucer345> BB No one would… but perhaps they should.
[2020-10-20 18:10:54] <chaucer345> Attila_the_Pun Is it so disruptive it's preventing you from reading further?
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[2020-10-20 18:11:35] <Attila_the_Pun> It is so immersion-breaking that if I saw this on the main site I would stop reading
[2020-10-20 18:12:00] <chaucer345> BB As you seem to be reading along, would you agree?
[2020-10-20 18:12:41] <BB> honestly, i actually just came here halfway through, so im not 100% sure what the problem is here XP From the looks of it, it's some concern over treating the D-Class as humans or alienating them or something?
[2020-10-20 18:13:38] <chaucer345> BB got it, sorry for the confusion there. Here's the SCP we're discussing: http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/chaucer345
[2020-10-20 18:13:46] <Attila_the_Pun> BB Referring to D class and an SCP by first name in the documentation portions
[2020-10-20 18:13:47] <chaucer345> *prospective SCP
[2020-10-20 18:14:25] <chaucer345> Attila_the_Pun Which is explained in the narrative and explicitly allowed by the head researcher for the sake of clarity.
[2020-10-20 18:14:25] <Attila_the_Pun> Okay, done reading
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[2020-10-20 18:15:33] <Attila_the_Pun> Give me a minute to collect my thoughts
[2020-10-20 18:16:34] <BB> What parts causing the issue? The names at the end with the staff comments?
[2020-10-20 18:19:23] <chaucer345> BB did you click on the logs?
[2020-10-20 18:21:04] <Attila_the_Pun> So to start with, I followed that SCP-1660 link
[2020-10-20 18:21:08] <BB> I'm not exactly sure referring to the SCP by a name is that big of a deal. I mean all the famous SCPs are :/ 096 = The Shy Guy, 682 = The Unkillable Lizard. staff throughout the foundation have labeled these SCPs on their own
[2020-10-20 18:21:13] <BB> oh god there's a lot of reading to do Xo
[2020-10-20 18:22:13] <chaucer345> Attila_the_Pun Is it broken?
[2020-10-20 18:22:18] <Attila_the_Pun> And the physical description of this one is almost a verbatim copy of SCP-1660-7. Sure, the function is different, but it puts a very bad taste in my mouth
[2020-10-20 18:22:38] <BB> Hmm i still don't think it's that big of a deal. I remember reading a similar log thing like this from SCP-096's log. They had the staff's name of who was talking and whatnot back and forth all the way to the end, so it should be fine.
[2020-10-20 18:22:58] <BB> Granted, idk if the site's regulations have changed since then or what so not entirely sure.
[2020-10-20 18:23:13] <Riemann> BB: you're welcome to say it's fine, but if a section of your readers are now telling you that it is not fine, it may be worth pondering
[2020-10-20 18:23:33] <chaucer345> Riemann Have you read this one for context?
[2020-10-20 18:23:52] <Riemann> nah
[2020-10-20 18:24:04] <The_DodoDevil> BB worth noting, those names are out-of-universe titles the authors have given the page. I don't think they are often called that in-universe
[2020-10-20 18:25:13] <chaucer345> Attila_the_Pun Why? Did I do something that made the link unjustified?
[2020-10-20 18:26:08] <Attila_the_Pun> From 1660: "A two (2) meter long extremely dangerous reptomammalian creature resembling an armored, bio-luminescent [DATA EXPUNGED]."
[2020-10-20 18:26:22] <chaucer345> The_DodoDevil I really do think context is everything.
[2020-10-20 18:26:29] <Attila_the_Pun> From yours: "SCP-5427 is a large, sapient, reptilian-mammalian hybrid with faintly bio-luminescent scales"
[2020-10-20 18:27:05] <BB> Riemann it's not my SCP, it's chaucher's. I don't know if people are saying it's fine or not, im just trying to help figure out what the dilemma is. Textwise it actually does seem acceptable given past articles from fully-recognized SCP posts i've seen.
[2020-10-20 18:27:25] <The_DodoDevil> On the note of context, I will admit that I am not entirely clear on what we are discussing, and just wanted to comment on the difference between the out of unvierse page names and in-universe justification of naming. All the same, I will now excuse myself from the conversation, as there appears to be too many cooks here
[2020-10-20 18:28:04] <chaucer345> Yes, it's a universe displaced version of a thing described as part of another SCP. Is that not kosher?
[2020-10-20 18:29:29] <Attila_the_Pun> It puts a bad taste in my mouth that the description is so similar. I'd recommend just cutting the link and describing something original
[2020-10-20 18:29:49] <BB> I gtg guys. For my 2 cents, i think the formatting is accurate and acceptable. I recommend looking up some older SCP ones with similar remarks, especially the 096 one cause that's what it reminds me of. Been months since seen but it should give a better understanding of what's acceptable or not.
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[2020-10-20 18:31:30] <Attila_the_Pun> The clinical tone overall is off. There's that formatting stuff I mentioned earlier, but also phrases like "Epsilon-6 demanded that the figures stop" and "a burst of anomalous light"
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[2020-10-20 18:31:51] <Attila_the_Pun> On to the story overall
[2020-10-20 18:32:23] <Attila_the_Pun> So the whole story is just commenting on treatment of D-class and SCPs, right?
[2020-10-20 18:33:58] <chaucer345> In part. I could see doing some tales with these characters easily, but the main thrust of this is "The SCP foundation are paranoid and will gleefully throw people's lives away for even a small amount of knowledge about an anomaly."
[2020-10-20 18:34:18] <chaucer345> "This combination is not good for making friends."
[2020-10-20 18:36:06] <Attila_the_Pun> And yet they still give her her own D-class boyfriend MTF and let her wander around the site
[2020-10-20 18:36:38] <Attila_the_Pun> And even off-site for that matter
[2020-10-20 18:36:46] <chaucer345> That's not a boyfriend. And around one specific wing of the site while she's actively doing things to help them,
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[2020-10-20 18:37:39] <chaucer345> The foundation are, at the end, caging her, having her bond with people and then hurting those people to see what will happen.
[2020-10-20 18:38:12] <Attila_the_Pun> Yeah, that clashes hard with my headcanon. And most other depictions I've seen for that matter
[2020-10-20 18:38:38] <chaucer345> It doesn't clash even a little with mine.
[2020-10-20 18:38:41] <Attila_the_Pun> Containment comes first. Research second. And they definitely don't torture SCPs
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[2020-10-20 18:38:47] <chaucer345> …
[2020-10-20 18:38:50] <chaucer345> Seriously?
[2020-10-20 18:38:55] <chaucer345> Are you for real?
[2020-10-20 18:39:07] <chaucer345> I've seen tons of articles where they torture SCPs.
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[2020-10-20 18:39:48] <Riemann> hello
[2020-10-20 18:40:26] <Attila_the_Pun> What we have here definitely crosses over the "cold not cruel" line in my eyes
[2020-10-20 18:40:46] <chaucer345> Does the Montauk procedure?
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[2020-10-20 18:41:24] <Attila_the_Pun> 231 is a relic
[2020-10-20 18:41:40] <chaucer345> An extremely quoted, very popular relic.
[2020-10-20 18:41:48] <Attila_the_Pun> That kind of thing would not fly today, and I'm not the first person to note that
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[2020-10-20 18:42:26] <chaucer345> Oh please, killing two D class is chump change for the foundation.
[2020-10-20 18:42:41] <Attila_the_Pun> Okay, I can tell I'm falling on deaf ears
[2020-10-20 18:43:01] <chaucer345> Same.
[2020-10-20 18:43:10] <Attila_the_Pun> I'm not going to stick around and bang my head against this wall
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[2020-10-20 18:43:31] <chaucer345> Me neither. Thank you for the crit. Have a nice night.
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[2020-10-20 18:45:39] <Riemann> chaucer345: at the end of the day, your article will be read and rated
[2020-10-20 18:45:49] <Riemann> And whatever happens happens
[2020-10-20 18:45:52] <MurderofCrows> chaucer345: if you would like to continue to be welcome in this room I would advise you improve your attitude fucking immediately.
[2020-10-20 18:46:46] <brotto> hey, sorry for going afk for so long i had a lecture to watch, would anyone be down to look at a draft of mine? it's greenlit, but it's my first skip so i'm a little nervous!
[2020-10-20 18:47:11] <The_DodoDevil> Brotto how long is it?
[2020-10-20 18:47:14] <Riemann> that too, yeah.
[2020-10-20 18:47:29] <brotto> real short! i wanted to keep my first one short and sweet
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[2020-10-20 18:47:47] <The_DodoDevil> I'll take a gander
[2020-10-20 18:48:02] <brotto> http://scp-sandbox-3.wikidot.com/brotto here's the sandbox link
[2020-10-20 18:48:10] <chaucer345> MurderofCrows I will not be bullied over a conflict of headcannon. If you want to ban me, fine, but I will defend my story based on the past material provided. If you fell my tone was uncalled for, I apologize. But I will not apologize for the content.
[2020-10-20 18:48:49] <MurderofCrows> chaucer345: it is largely your tone, although that kind of attitude regarding content will result in your repeated failure
[2020-10-20 18:49:11] <The_DodoDevil> Brotto any chane you could link the idea post - help me get a sense of what feedback you may have gotten?
[2020-10-20 18:49:22] <brotto> for sure! let me grab it real fast
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[2020-10-20 18:49:25] <The_DodoDevil> no rush!
[2020-10-20 18:49:38] <MurderofCrows> People simply no longer want to see the kind of article you seem hellbent on writing and no amount of tantruming about how popular they are elsewhere is going to change that
[2020-10-20 18:49:46] <chaucer345> MurderofCrows The SCP foundation is an organization that has a group of people that it views as actively disposable.
[2020-10-20 18:49:56] <brotto> it's from like a year ago, sorry about that. life got in the way of editing it
[2020-10-20 18:50:22] <The_DodoDevil> No worries
[2020-10-20 18:50:30] <MurderofCrows> Again, it is your entire approach that reeks of series 1, just not d class
[2020-10-20 18:50:36] <The_DodoDevil> So I have some thoughts, but it'll take me a moment to compile them
[2020-10-20 18:51:01] <chaucer345> MurderofCrows Have you read the new draft then?
[2020-10-20 18:51:02] <MurderofCrows> Folks on site- the people who will be voting on your article instead of the people in the outer fandom- are sick and tired of those tropes
[2020-10-20 18:51:26] <chaucer345> I ask again, have you actually read the draft?
[2020-10-20 18:51:39] <brotto> Here's the idea post: http://www.scpwiki.com/forum/t-12491418/object-permanence-scp#post-4353667
[2020-10-20 18:51:39] <brotto> And here's the draft critique post: http://www.scpwiki.com/forum/t-12502968/who-needs-object-permanence-anyway#post-4354899
[2020-10-20 18:51:41] <MurderofCrows> I have given it a once over and seen what I needed to see
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[2020-10-20 18:52:29] <The_DodoDevil> brotto so I think you've got an interesting anomoly here, its short, but has an interesting effect. My main comment is that you don't really go anywhere with it.
[2020-10-20 18:52:51] <chaucer345> MurderofCrows Then I shall fail, again and again and again… Until I die perhaps. But I will not pretend that any sapient life is not of value for ratings.
[2020-10-20 18:52:54] <The_DodoDevil> You mention that it needs lvl 4 approval, but not why - you mention pranks, but there's no indication of how it was used for that
[2020-10-20 18:52:56] <basircuser> hello, anyone up to crit a coming out tale
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[2020-10-20 18:53:16] <The_DodoDevil> I think you need to take this idea somewhere, anywhere, with a narrative to support it
[2020-10-20 18:53:17] <MurderofCrows> Tried to warn you.
[2020-10-20 18:53:26] <Riemann> chaucer345: I'm implementing a week long ban from #thecritters here.
[2020-10-20 18:53:40] <The_DodoDevil> Something that'll keep your reader's attention beyond just "that's an interesting effect"
[2020-10-20 18:53:44] * chaucer345 was kicked by Riemann (you are welcome to appeal in #site17 or come back in a week )
[2020-10-20 18:54:12] <chaucer345> I would like to appeal the decision kicking me from the Critters please.
[2020-10-20 18:55:00] <chaucer345> I believe the group there let bias against my personal headcannon lead them to ban me in a discriminatory manner.
[2020-10-20 18:55:03] <Riemann> A moment please - we are finding someone who was not involved to take your appeal
[2020-10-20 18:55:34] <nk> I can take it.
[2020-10-20 18:55:47] <nk> Give me one moment.
[2020-10-20 18:58:52] <nk> alright chauncer345 you may proceed.
[2020-10-20 18:59:24] <MalyceGraves> chaucer345: ^
[2020-10-20 19:00:13] <nk> oops, had an extra n in there
[2020-10-20 19:00:24] <chaucer345> Thank you. I was banned from the Critters in spite of making no personal attacks and to my knowledge not violating policy in any way. I merely voiced an interpretation of cannon that the others in the chat found distasteful.
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[2020-10-20 19:01:08] <chaucer345> They took intense and unwarranted offense at this, and I was subsequently banned.
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[2020-10-20 19:02:27] <chaucer345> I would like my access restored, please.
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[2020-10-20 19:03:11] <chaucer345> Is there anything else you require?
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[2020-10-20 19:03:58] <nk> From my understanding you were banned for hostility towards critters and deflection of feedback.
[2020-10-20 19:04:40] <chaucer345> nk Disagreement with specific suggestions offered is not hostility.
[2020-10-20 19:04:40] <nk> Do you have anything to say on this matter?
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[2020-10-20 19:05:57] <nk> It is when you're being rude to the people trying to offer feedback.
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[2020-10-20 19:06:15] <chaucer345> What is rudeness in this context?
[2020-10-20 19:06:28] <chaucer345> I genuinely do not understand.
[2020-10-20 19:07:15] <nk> You rebuked feedback given by others in a hostile manner.
[2020-10-20 19:07:15] <chaucer345> I did not insult them, I did not ignore their statements entirely, I merely disagreed with them.
[2020-10-20 19:07:28] <chaucer345> How do you define hostile?
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[2020-10-20 19:08:14] <chaucer345> Would you be so kind as to provide me with the quote that you thought was hostile?
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[2020-10-20 19:10:41] <nk> ‘I will not be bullied over a conflict of headcannon. If you want to ban me, fine, but I will defend my story based on the past material provided. If you fell my tone was uncalled for, I apologize. But I will not apologize for the content.`
[2020-10-20 19:10:42] <ManyMeats> The point of an appeal is not to debate the minutia of the ruling but rather to state your contrition or lack there of
[2020-10-20 19:11:12] <nk> You were also receiving feedback from a user and completely disregarding all their points.
[2020-10-20 19:11:24] <nk> They tried to offer you feedback which you ignored.
[2020-10-20 19:11:50] <nk> Your ban is for a week. I suggest you take this time to reconsider your attitude towards people trying to help you.
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[2020-10-20 19:13:46] <chaucer345> ManyMeats I would apologize for any interpreted rudeness. I received much valuable criticism from other reviewers.
[2020-10-20 19:14:40] <chaucer345> nk I strongly disagree with this ruling and beg you to reconsider. Thank you for your time however.
[2020-10-20 19:17:40] ⇐ chaucer345 quit (moc.murtceps.ser.ia03m0-PCS|egnuoleht#moc.murtceps.ser.ia03m0-PCS|egnuoleht): The Lounge - By https://thelounge.chat
[2020-10-20 19:18:06] <Hex> A bit late, but thank you, Malyce.
[2020-10-20 19:18:36] <MalyceGraves> .tell chaucer345 As a member of chatstaff, I wish to clarify something. Your ban from #thecritters is only in #thecritters. However, you are not to utilize any of the public SCP rooms to solicit critique while your #thecritters ban is in place. Doing so will extend your ban chat-wide.
[2020-10-20 19:18:37] <Secretary_Helen> MalyceGraves: *Jots that down on her clipboard* Got it, I’ll let them know…
Appeal was denied and user was banned for a week from #thecritters.