User was warned about their increasingly poor response to critique in #thecritters. After multiple reviewers gave them feedback that they did not like, they resorted to just quitting, then returning to seek someone else to give them critique.
12:14 <videogameboy> Can anyone crit my SCP
12:14 <•Riemann> videogameboy: it looks like cybersqyd left a comment on your thread
12:14 And further, it looks like there's quite a lot of feedback
12:15 <videogameboy> Yeah, I know and it’s negative to me
12:15 <•Riemann> you should consider taking some time to reflect on what people have said
12:15 <videogameboy> a little negative
12:15 <•Riemann> and make changes
12:15 <videogameboy> I am
12:15 I’m making changes
12:15 <Crazygirlforever> Riemann I tried to write a bit. Can you maybe see if something like that is better for the narrative?
12:15 <•Riemann> Crazygirlforever: can you provide the link again
12:16 <CountAbra> videogameboy it may be negative but it isn’t meant to be. It’s not ‘this is shite and here’s why’ it’s ‘here is where I see issues and I think going down this route this is how you could fix it’
12:16 <Crazygirlforever> I don't have it online.
12:16 <•Riemann> Crazygirlforever: then I'm not sure how I can help?
12:16 <Crazygirlforever> I can send it here or in pm
12:16 <videogameboy> that’s why I changed it from a building that’s sentient to a creature that’s in the shape of a building
12:16 <CountAbra> Is this your thread Crazygirlforever?
12:17 <TheDubstepIcicle> Is anyone able to look over my article and see if it is any good or not?
12:17 <CountAbra> I’ll take a look
12:17 <videogameboy> Kind of like how SCP-2086 is a living bus
12:17 <Crazygirlforever> http://REMOVED
12:17 I put it on here now
12:17 <•Riemann> videogameboy: you got feedback literally 20 minutes ago
12:17 <videogameboy> .a SCP-2086
12:17 oh
12:18 what’s the command for showing SCPs
12:18 <•Riemann> from the sqyd
12:18 TheDubstepIcicle: sure
12:18 <TheDubstepIcicle> http://REMOVED
12:18 <•Riemann> TheDubstepIcicle: wait, article or idea thread
12:18 I guess article
12:18 <Blightknell> Ryu SCP-2086
12:18 <•Secretary_Helen> Blightknell: SCP-2086: Rerouting (Rating: +164. Written 5 years ago By: MorgiePie) - http://scpwiki.com/scp-2086
12:18 <videogameboy> yeah
12:18 <CountAbra> SCP-087
12:18 <•Secretary_Helen> CountAbra: SCP-087: The Stairwell (Rating: +2889. Written 10 years ago By: Zaeyde) - http://scpwiki.com/scp-087
12:18 <CountAbra> ah that how u do it
12:18 <videogameboy> but now I changed it
12:18 i changed my idea
12:19 cybersqyd
12:19 <CountAbra> They gone for lunch
12:19 <•Riemann> TheDubstepIcicle: so have you made a thread in the ideas forum for this?
12:20 ⇐ videogameboy quit
12:20 <TheDubstepIcicle> Riemann not yet, should I?
12:20 <•Riemann> yeah, that's the first step
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12:21 <•Riemann> The greenlight process exists to make it easier for you to get draft feedback
12:21 <videogameboy> damn, making SCPs sure is frusturating
12:21 <Crazygirlforever> True
12:21 <videogameboy> However I don’t want my idea to get greenlit anymore, I want my draft to get greenlit now
12:21 <•ocuin> Drafts don't get greenlit
12:22 <TheDubstepIcicle> Riemann my computer sucks, and i cant log in
12:22 <•Sonderance> videogameboy: If your response to negative critique is to ignore it and push forward, you're not going to get much positive feedback.
12:22 <TheDubstepIcicle> it never lets me log in
12:22 <Crazygirlforever> Are you using chrome?
12:22 <TheDubstepIcicle> yeah
12:22 <•ocuin> .s chrome
12:22 <•Secretary_Helen> ocuin: Fixing logins on Chrome (Rating: +75. Written 213 days ago By: aismallard) - http://scpwiki.com/third-party-cookies
12:22 <videogameboy> I’m not ignoring it, I’m just getting slightly offended at it because I tried my hardest at thinking about the idea
12:22 and all I get is negativity and it makes me feel bad
12:23 <Crazygirlforever> videogameboy The most of the crit I have gotten is negative too. But I'm trying to find ways to improve it
12:23 It happens with a first SCP
12:23 <videogameboy> Well, I improved my idea
12:24 <TheDubstepIcicle> I call reviews like that the Simon Cowell review.
12:24 For obvious reasons
12:24 <videogameboy> it used to be a sentient building, now it’s a creature that’s a big pile of flesh that looks like a building
12:24 <•Riemann> TheDubstepIcicle: are you on chrome?
12:25 <•Sonderance> videogameboy: Modifying the barest qualities of your anomaly without addressing the core issues isn't going to help much.
12:25 <videogameboy> well, what are the core issues then
12:25 <Crazygirlforever> Riemann did you get a chance to read my new thing. I did place it in my thread. I can send the link again if you want
12:25 <TheDubstepIcicle> Riemann yeah, and i went to the site it told me to, but when i go to the forums it logs me out for some reason.
12:25 <•Francis> Videoogameboy: I can tell you the core issue for me.
12:25 <videogameboy> My core issues is that it’s not specific, which is why I fucking need help
12:25 <Crazygirlforever> Try using edge or something else
12:25 <•Riemann> TheDubstepIcicle: did you check out that thing ocuin linked above?
12:25 Crazygirlforever: link me the thread again
12:25 <Crazygirlforever> http://REMOVED
12:26 <•Francis> videogameboy: I see these pitches quite commonly, which is "This is a building full of SCP ideas that I couldn't get greenlighted on their own, so I'm going to shoehorn them into a building so I can write about them anyway."
12:26 <videogameboy> ugh
12:26 <•Francis> Does that make sense? You talk about a building full of weird stuff, but that weird stuff needs to stand on its own, too, and you aren't giving much detail on that.
12:26 <•Riemann> Crazygirlforever: think of your Central Narrative as a plot summary
12:27 TheDubstepIcicle: also if you see people being unduly mean in their critiques, please let me know
12:27 <•Francis> If you're going to do a big building SCP like 1730, the expectation is that every single thing in there is going to stand on its own. Which is why it's a bad idea to try it as your first run at the site.
12:27 <videogameboy> well, it’s a creature with living germs inside of it
12:27 <•Francis> videogameboy: Why not choose one thing that you have a good idea for from that building and try pitching that as your SCP?
12:27 <Crazygirlforever> Can i send you the story i would like to tell in pm so maybe you can help?
12:28 <videogameboy> The SCP is shaped like a building, even though it’s not actually a building, it’s a large creature
12:28 <TheDubstepIcicle> Riemann I looked at the article, and did what it said, and it worked until i tried to go to the forum, then it logged me out
12:28 <•MalyceGraves> Writing isn't easy. It takes practice and dedication. Also, critique is mostly going to be negative, that's what critique is. Positive critique isn't critique, it's acclaim.
12:28 <•Riemann> TheDubstepIcicle: change "scpwiki.com" to "scp-wiki.wikidot.com" in your browser on the forum
12:29 <videogameboy> I just want my new idea to work
12:29 <•Francis> videogameboy: I get that, but the main STORY of what you're pitching is the stuff going on in this building. Weird effects. Weird entities. Those are the things carrying your story, not the building itself.
12:29 <•Riemann> Crazygirlforever: I am afraid I do not have the time to read your draft to help you summarise it
12:29 <TheDubstepIcicle> there we go Riemann, thanks!
12:30 <•Francis> videogameboy: 1730 gets away with what it does because each of those things either was a fully developed SCP or became one through the story. There's no indication that's happening in your pitch. You're essentially pitching an SCP site where you can write what you want just because the building is also anomalous.
12:30 <•ocuin> TheDubstepIcicle: setting up the extension that is mentioned in the page I linked should serve as a permanent solution should this become a recurring issue
12:30 <videogameboy> basically, the weird effects are actually various organs and the entities are supposed to be bacteria produced by the large creature, and the offices are supposed to be the vital organs
12:30 <•Francis> videogameboy: I'm not trying to discourage you, just realize there's a reason that greenlighters resist these sort of museum-type pitches from first-timers.
12:31 <videogameboy> I just need to figure out how to indicate it because this is my first SCP
12:32 <TheDubstepIcicle> Riemann I made my forum post, so it should be good now.
12:32 <•Riemann> yeehaw
12:32 <videogameboy> I’m looking for help with this, so please help me.
12:32 <•Riemann> People have been helping you, videogameboy
12:33 You have received a lot of feedback, all largely saying the same thing
12:33 <videogameboy> But I don’t know what they’re talking about it’s so confusing
12:33 <•Francis> videogameboy: I get your idea. I've seen it before, with SCP-1135. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it's almost certainly going to be more difficult to get it to succeed on the mainsite than you're predicting, which is why you're getting some resistance to the idea.
12:34 <•Francis> SCP-1135
12:34 <•Secretary_Helen> Francis: SCP-1135: Living Village (Rating: +226. Written 8 years ago By: Rioghail) - http://scpwiki.com/scp-1135
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12:35 •MalyceGraves banned videogameboy!*@* (+b)
12:35 <•Francis> I tried.
12:35 <•MalyceGraves> .tell videogameboy I get it, you're frustrated. Take 24 hours to cool off before you come back. You may appeal this ban in #site17
12:35 <•Secretary_Helen> MalyceGraves: *Jots that down on her clipboard* Got it, I'll let them know…
12:36 •MalyceGraves banned *!*@SCP-vhmlbl.dyn.optonline.net (+b)
User almost immediately returned and appealed in #site17. Taylor heard it.
12:36 <videogameboy> I got banned from critters
12:36 <•Karakatt> MalyceGraves:
12:36 <•MalyceGraves> Yes, for 24 hours
12:37 <videogameboy> I’m not actually angry, I’m just saying that it’s difficult to write an SCP
12:37 So I’m ready to come back
12:37 <•MalyceGraves> If you want to appeal your ban, I'll have to get someone else to take it
12:39 <videogameboy> Ok
12:39 <•MalyceGraves> One moment.
12:44 <•MalyceGraves> If videogameboy returns, please ping TI-84
12:44 <•Hauntex> Hexick MalyceGraves: will do.
12:44 <videogameboy> hi
12:44 <•Karakatt> o7
12:44 TI-84:
12:44 <•TI-84> Hi
12:44 <videogameboy> i want to appeal my ban
12:44 <•TI-84> Hello there
12:44 <videogameboy> I’m very sorry for acting agitated in #thecritters
12:45 <•TI-84> videogameboy: hi ok
12:45 <•TI-84> videogameboy: so I’m here to take your appeal I’m the cool dude who made the game grumps reference
12:45 Aka the best guy on the wiki
12:45 So
12:45 <videogameboy> Nice
12:45 <•TI-84> The way this works
12:45 You tell us why you should be unbanned, we make a decision, I relay it to you
12:45 Got it?
12:45 <videogameboy> ok
12:45 <•TI-84> You may proceed
12:45 <videogameboy> I want to be unbanned because I want to work harder on my SCP and I apologize for my behavior
12:46 <•TI-84> videogameboy: is that your appeal?
12:46 <videogameboy> yes
12:46 <•TI-84> Ok
12:46 Well
12:46 Your appeal is denied based on the behavior shown, but if you’re open to it, I’d like to offer you some advice
12:47 <•TI-84> Are you open to hearing it?
12:47 <videogameboy> Yes
12:48 <•TI-84> People on this wiki, especially the people who provide critique, are hobbyists who do this out of the kindness of their hearts. No one is paid, no one gets any reward for just helping out another user. People *want* to see you succeed - that’s the point. Critique is to help your article survive and not be deleted by community votes.
12:48 The objective is to help, not belittle. No one here has offered you critique with the intention of hurting your ego or belittling your ability.
12:48 Writing an SCP is way different than writing a short story - there’s a format and a weird tonal way of wording.
12:48 <videogameboy> Ok.
12:49 <•TI-84> It takes getting used to. Be nice to people who offer you help, because they don’t HAVE to help you.
12:49 <videogameboy> Yeah, I know.
12:49 <•TI-84> Take the 24 to cool off, re-evaluate. You’re not banned from 19.
12:49 <videogameboy> Ok.
12:49 <•TI-84> After 24 hours you’re free to enter critters again.
12:49 But please keep this in mind, alright?
12:49 <videogameboy> Alright.
12:49 <•TI-84> For reference
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12:50 <•TI-84> If this happens again, due to escalation of t- ok
Appeal denied. User has been banned from #thecritters for 24 hours.