There was discussion and interaction with Helen regarding pronouns, user got involved. Log follows:
2020-08-19 15:09:08 Currentnathan: What’s the difference between using and accepting a pronoun?
2020-08-19 15:09:25 Karakatt: Accepted is basically what people can call you, used is what you use
2020-08-19 15:09:30 Taurus: Accepting is being-^^^
2020-08-19 15:09:35 Currentnathan: ok
2020-08-19 15:09:38 Karakatt: or rather, what you want people to use
2020-08-19 15:10:06 Taurus: .au Eto
2020-08-19 15:10:14 Taurus: .sm 4
2020-08-19 15:10:16 Kufat: e.g. as a cis guy, "he/his" pronouns are what I use for myself but I also accept "they/them"
2020-08-19 15:10:48 Currentnathan: How do you make Helen set used pronouns instead of accepted?
2020-08-19 15:10:48 stormfallen: .pronouns
2020-08-19 15:10:51 Kufat: (of course, this doesn't necessarily apply to other cis male people)
2020-08-19 15:11:02 Taurus: .help
2020-08-19 15:11:16 stormfallen: Currentnathan: .setpronouns p1 p2 p3
2020-08-19 15:11:24 Currentnathan: Cool
2020-08-19 15:11:30 Currentnathan: stormfallen: it
2020-08-19 15:11:41 stormfallen: If there's no "accepted" or "unaccepted" after the command she'll set them as "used"
2020-08-19 15:11:47 stormfallen: :|
2020-08-19 15:12:07 Karakatt: Helen is wonderful
2020-08-19 15:12:20 stormfallen: Did you just see my pronouns, note that I have "it" as unaccepted, and then immediately call me "it"?
2020-08-19 15:12:29 stormfallen: What the shit
2020-08-19 15:12:41 Currentnathan: Did you actually take offense to that?
2020-08-19 15:12:59 stormfallen: Does it matter?
2020-08-19 15:13:08 Currentnathan: I would feel bad if you did
2020-08-19 15:13:10 stormfallen: Something is unaccepted for a reason
2020-08-19 15:13:25 Currentnathan: Ok
2020-08-19 15:13:30 Currentnathan: sorry
2020-08-19 15:14:17 Naveil: Currentnathan: you really shouldn't need someone to take offense to something to realize it wasn't a good thing
2020-08-19 15:14:30 Currentnathan: I realize it wasn’t a good thing
2020-08-19 15:14:57 taylor_work: taylor_work has banned *!*@synIRC-281E4D9B.stonehaven.irccloud.com
Taylor enacted a weeklong ban. User appealed, which I heard. Log follows:
2020-08-19 15:15:36 Currentnathan: May I appeal a 1 week ban?
2020-08-19 15:16:23 taylor_work: One moment
2020-08-19 15:18:20 taylor_itkin: Trying to get someone
2020-08-19 15:19:08 taylor_work: Just hang on a moment I believe we have someone coming
2020-08-19 15:19:17 MalyceGraves: Ok
2020-08-19 15:19:20 MalyceGraves: I can take the appeal
2020-08-19 15:19:32 Currentnathan: Ok
2020-08-19 15:19:48 MalyceGraves: Currentnathan: are you aware of why you are being banned?
2020-08-19 15:20:05 Currentnathan: Yes
2020-08-19 15:20:18 MalyceGraves: You may begin your appeal at your leisure. please let me know when you are finished.
2020-08-19 15:20:45 Currentnathan: So I explain why I believe I should be unbanned?
2020-08-19 15:20:55 MalyceGraves: Yes.
2020-08-19 15:23:11 Currentnathan: When I saw “it” I assumed that st0rmfallen had set it in his unapproved pronouns as a joke. Because of this, I tried to make a joke out of it. I didn’t mean any offense, and after I had sent the message I could almost immediately tell that I fucked up.
2020-08-19 15:23:58 MalyceGraves: nods
2020-08-19 15:25:58 Currentnathan: Again, I’m terribly sorry. When it comes to stuff like pronouns, I’m not too certain what is appropriate and inappropriate to say and joke about.
2020-08-19 15:26:08 Currentnathan: I’m done
2020-08-19 15:26:42 MalyceGraves: Ok. Two things. First, in the rules that you agreed to, one of the things specifically mentioned is that fucking around with the pronoun bot results in an automatic ban.
2020-08-19 15:27:03 Currentnathan: Ok
2020-08-19 15:27:18 MalyceGraves: While this wasn't specifically in reference to the bot itself, it should be clear that we take pronouns very seriously here.
2020-08-19 15:27:22 MalyceGraves: Second.
2020-08-19 15:28:12 MalyceGraves: Deliberately using unaccepted pronouns isn't a joke. It's shitty. Deliberately using object pronouns on a person that you also know view those pronouns as unacceptable? That's dehumanizing and reprehensible at best.
2020-08-19 15:28:31 MalyceGraves: I don't believe that you are actively acting maliciously, rather it was ignorance.
2020-08-19 15:28:51 MalyceGraves: However, ignorance is not an excuse for deliberately dehumanizing someone, even if it was intended as a joke.
2020-08-19 15:28:58 Currentnathan: That’s fair
2020-08-19 15:29:40 MalyceGraves: We are writers, and our primary currency exists in the realm of the words that we use. Our words have power and meaning, even when we're joking. I am denying this appeal, and I suggest you take this time to consider the impact of the things you say before you say them.
2020-08-19 15:30:05 MalyceGraves: You will be welcome back in 1 week
2020-08-19 15:30:14 Currentnathan: Thank you for your time
2020-08-19 15:30:18 Currentnathan: I am sorry
2020-08-19 15:30:35 MalyceGraves: nods.
2020-08-19 15:30:40 MalyceGraves: Now I must ask you to leave.
2020-08-19 15:30:55 Currentnathan: Yes, sorry. Trying to figure out how.
2020-08-19 15:31:01 MalyceGraves: /quit
2020-08-19 15:31:10 Currentnathan: Thank You
Appeal denied. They may return in one week.
I will reiterate here that I do not believe that the user was intentionally acting maliciously. If this was a truly intentional act of pronoun shittery then this ban would be for much longer.
