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08:32 |
CQHD |
May I please make an appeal for my ban? |
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08:33 |
cybersqyd |
CQHD: I'm gonna see if anyone from disc is around; you may need to come back later- |
08:33 |
cybersqyd |
oh |
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cybersqyd: |
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08:46 |
CQHD |
May I please make an appeal for my ban? |
08:48 |
cybersqyd |
CQHD: from what I can tell, no-one from disc is available right now: you may want to come back in ~8-14 hrs, during the day for america. |
08:49 |
CQHD |
Oh hey squid, seems like you always get stuck with my problems |
08:49 |
CQHD |
Oh hi, long time no see |
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08:50 |
CQHD |
It was a real mess this time squid, and just a big confusion. |
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08:51 |
CQHD |
Is there anyone else on who I can appeal my ban to? |
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08:52 |
cybersqyd |
As far as I can tell, no; everyone from disc is currently sleeping or unavailable: like I said, you're gonna have to come back when it's not the middle of the night for america, since most disc members are american. |
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08:52 |
CQHD |
Darn, I don’t suppose you can help me out? |
08:53 |
CQHD |
I think I have a real case to get my ban lifted |
08:53 |
cybersqyd |
Uh, I'm doing as much as I can but I can't take your appeal and no-one who can is around right now. |
08:54 |
CQHD |
Do you mind hearing it to see if I have a chance? |
08:54 |
ARD |
CQHD: i'll take your appeal |
08:55 |
CQHD |
Oh thanks, so it may take a while to explain but please bare with me |
08:56 |
ARD |
Mhm |
08:56 |
CQHD |
So for my first article I was making standard rookie mistakes because I was unaware of the new required formatting. |
08:56 |
CQHD |
Since they weren’t yet added to the rules site |
08:57 |
CQHD |
On top of that, I’m admittedly bad with computers and website, so I left multiple messages instead of just editing one. Rookie mistake for a first article. |
08:57 |
CQHD |
This was on the 20 when it went up. |
08:58 |
CQHD |
So Zyn let me redo it because it was hard to navigate, and I requested that it got deleted so it wasn’t spam. |
08:59 |
CQHD |
So I then made another idea post on the 23 because I had a lot of solid ideas before I became a user. |
09:00 |
CQHD |
So now today on the 27, one week later from my first post as the rules say, I made another idea thread, and I got hit for supposedly knowingly cheering the system because the updated version on the 22nd counted as a separate idea with a separate start date |
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09:01 |
CQHD |
And the offense was knowingly cheating the system |
09:01 |
CQHD |
Which I received a one week ban for. There was no attempt because I waited a week from the original article and not posted it one day later. |
09:02 |
CQHD |
An admin also brought up that the site doesn’t use the actual date but instead the approximation, which wasn’t stated anywhere. |
09:03 |
CQHD |
Finally, I got hit because I didn’t collapse my articles for mobile users, but I am one and my articles have no problem fitting on my screen, so I do t know how long is too long |
09:03 |
CQHD |
Don’t |
09:03 |
CQHD |
‘ |
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09:04 |
CQHD |
Sorry for typos, I hate screen keyboards |
09:05 |
ARD |
OK. let's take this from the important bits |
09:05 |
CQHD |
Sure |
09:06 |
ARD |
your ban, as i understand it, stems from you A) being told that you are not allowed to have more than two ideas posts in any given seven-day period, but B) proceeding to create three ideas posts between June 20 and now, June 27 |
09:07 |
ARD |
did you or did you not create a new ideas post today AFTER you were PMed and told that you could not make a third ideas thread |
09:08 |
ARD |
CQHD: please answer |
09:08 |
CQHD |
I did not, I know I couldn’t make a third, but I was under the assumption that the first two counted as one |
09:09 |
CQHD |
Because they were the same, I had permission to do so, and I specifically requested it got deleted for spam |
09:10 |
ARD |
ok so |
09:10 |
ARD |
you are claiming that you only had two unique ideas |
09:10 |
CQHD |
They weren’t separate ideas. They were exactly the same, just with fixed formatting. I in no way tried to get an advantage over others because I didn’t even edit the main source material |
09:10 |
CQHD |
Yes |
09:10 |
ARD |
but i am looking at your post history right now |
09:10 |
ARD |
and i am seeing the following three separate threads |
09:10 |
ARD |
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-13459581/new-scp-idea:local-produce-name-pending#post-4701894 |
09:11 |
ARD |
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-13448815/scp-concept:the-woods-awaken#post-4697316 |
09:11 |
ARD |
http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-13446551/bethanys-burns-scp-concept-fixed |
09:11 |
ARD |
these are three completely separate ideas threads |
09:11 |
CQHD |
Right. I’m not arguing that |
09:11 |
ARD |
within five days |
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09:11 |
ARD |
So did you only make two ideas posts this week? |
09:11 |
ARD |
Or three? |
09:12 |
ARD |
Because I count three separate ideas |
09:12 |
CQHD |
But what I’m saying is the original one to Bethany’s burns was made on the 20, which is one week from today, so I made a new one because Bethany’s burns was a week ago |
09:12 |
ARD |
and yet you say you know you couldn't make a third and didn't |
09:13 |
CQHD |
And because I got permission to EDIT it, not change it, and because I specifically asked for it to be deleted, I was going under the idea that the start date was still the 20th |
09:13 |
ARD |
if you had to be granted special permission to remake the Bethany Burns thread on the grounds that it would be considered the new burns thread, why would you think the date would start from the old thread? |
09:14 |
CQHD |
Because it isn’t new. Zyn locked the first one due to simple mistakes and let me make a new one |
09:14 |
CQHD |
So the idea started on the 30th |
09:14 |
CQHD |
20th’ |
09:15 |
CQHD |
I also asked for it to be deleted, so the time that the idea was up was still 1 week no matter what. |
09:15 |
ARD |
and you were told that we only delete severely rule-breaking threads |
09:16 |
CQHD |
Wrong formatting and an over abundance of messages isn’t severely different from the standard? |
09:17 |
ARD |
Not enough to be deleted |
09:17 |
ARD |
anyways, the point is that you can't claim "it was going to be deleted" as a defence |
09:17 |
CQHD |
The point of the 2 a week policy as I was told by Zyn is that it’s supposed to stop lots of bad ideas, but since it was the same one that shouldn’t count as cheeting |
09:17 |
ARD |
or "it should have been deleted" because the onus is not on us to delete garbage threads but for you to not make them at all |
09:18 |
CQHD |
My point is that it is no different from the first one, so I’m not getting an advantage |
09:19 |
ARD |
even if we strictly go by 2 per week and assume the original Bethany Burns thread and the new one are the same — which they aren't, one isn't full of your useless spam comments — you still have thirty minutes to go before a week will have elapsed between then and now |
09:19 |
ARD |
there is simply no interpretation of the rules in which you were allowed to make a third idea post between then and now |
09:19 |
CQHD |
I’m in a different time zone |
09:19 |
CQHD |
It’s June 27 here |
09:19 |
ARD |
it's june 27 here as well. wikidot tracks the time comments were posted and localizes them to your time zone (or EST, one of the two) |
09:20 |
ARD |
either way, i'm seeing that Bethany Burns 1 was posted at 4:47 AM on June 20. |
09:20 |
ARD |
it's currently 4:20 AM where I am. |
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09:20 |
CQHD |
How was I supposed to know that you don’t use the dates but the approximations? It didn’t say that anywhere |
09:20 |
ARD |
and you posted Local Produce four hours ago |
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09:20 |
CQHD |
And that’s splitting hairs is it not. |
09:20 |
ARD |
if anything we aren't using approximations, we're literally going by one week |
09:20 |
CQHD |
It’s 4:200 |
09:21 |
CQHD |
Today is the 27 |
09:21 |
CQHD |
My first one was on the 20th |
09:21 |
degadd |
i can't delete my application on wikidot |
09:21 |
CQHD |
That’s one week. |
09:21 |
ARD |
splitting hairs is you trying to claim that a fresh ideas thread not full of spam comments and criticisms is perfectly identical to one full of spam comments asking to be deleted |
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09:21 |
TSATPWTCOTTTADC |
degadd, you will need to wait until the application is denied before you can delete it. It takes a few days. |
09:22 |
ARD |
your appeal is, to put it bluntly, denied |
09:22 |
CQHD |
Dude, my claim is cheeting |
09:22 |
degadd |
oh ;( |
09:22 |
CQHD |
KNOWINGLY cheeting |
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09:23 |
CQHD |
I got PERMISSION from an ADMIN that I can make a knew thread, identical to the old one without formatting errors. |
09:23 |
CQHD |
How is making the same thing again when I had permission getting ahead of everybody else? |
09:23 |
Tuomey |
Okay bro |
09:23 |
Tuomey |
let me make something clear here |
09:23 |
Tuomey |
First, your appeal has been denied already |
09:24 |
Tuomey |
Second, the real issue is not "cheating" |
09:24 |
Tuomey |
It is that you asked to make a third thread, you were told not to, and then you did it anyway |
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09:24 |
CQHD |
No, I wasn’t told not to |
09:25 |
ARD |
yeah. you were. |
09:25 |
Tuomey |
If you ask to do something and then you do that thing without getting permission, you're doing something wrong |
09:25 |
ARD |
and you're coming here to claim, based on your own fallacious interpretation of the rules, that you weren't |
09:25 |
Tuomey |
CQHD: don't fucking lie to me |
09:25 |
CQHD |
wow great admins |
09:25 |
ARD |
They really are. |
09:25 |
Tuomey |
Yeah, we're past acting in a staff capacity here because your appeal was already denied |
09:25 |
ARD |
Sincerely and unironically, for patiently dealing with you |
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09:25 |
CQHD |
I wasn’t asked not to! |
09:26 |
Tuomey |
I'm just explaining what the issue is because you keep going back to cheating |
09:26 |
Tuomey |
> No. Given that you already know about the required reading guidelines, it sets a bad precedent for other authors who will feel entitled to the same exception to the rules. |
09:26 |
CQHD |
Go ahead |
09:26 |
Tuomey |
does this sentence look familiar to you? |
09:26 |
Tuomey |
It should |
09:26 |
Tuomey |
It's what Zyn sent to you when you asked permission to make a third thread |
09:27 |
CQHD |
I didn’t ask him and he never said no |
09:27 |
ARD |
ok, now you're blatantly lying to our faces |
09:27 |
ARD |
this is beyond ridiculous |
09:27 |
Tuomey |
I'm done being halfway polite and helping you with shit |
09:27 |
ARD |
appeal denied. we're done here |
09:27 |
CQHD |
How would you know! |
09:27 |
ARD |
Tuomey? give him the boot |
09:27 |
ARD |
CQHD: because we log things. online |
09:27 |
Tuomey |
staff share information on dipshits |
09:28 |
CQHD |
I can’t believe this |
09:28 |
CQHD |
Show me |
09:28 |
CQHD |
Show me where I asked and he said no |
09:28 |
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09:28 |
Tuomey |
awh |
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—- ARD has banned CQHD!*@* |