boxboxbox recently posted a tale titled "It was a joke, you know that?" that contained some pretty egregiously transphobic content. The piece has been summarily deleted by staff for the rulebreaking content, but the page source still remains available to any staffers who need access to it.
…so, upon reading the posted content… I'm advocating for permaban. I've enacted an emergency ban in the meantime because dear lord, we do not want any of that sort of material on the site.
<@taylor_itkin> hello
5:48 PM I am a member of disciplinary
5:49 PM are you here to appeal your ban
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5:49 PM B<boxboxbox> Yes, I'm here
5:49 PM <@taylor_itkin> Ok
5:50 PM you may begin your appeal
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5:51 PM B<boxboxbox> What I think got me kicked is the fact that there was a part where the main character of the tale, Marc, made an unpleasant comment towards a trans character
5:52 PM <@taylor_itkin> okay
5:52 PM B<boxboxbox> Now, the comment was pretty explicit, but mainly beacuse of the fact that the trans individual ruined their life
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5:52 PM <@taylor_itkin> uh huh
5:53 PM B<boxboxbox> By faking that Marc has posted pictures of them before the transition
5:54 PM but it's then revealed that the trans individual has known that Marc wasn't behind it
5:54 PM <@taylor_itkin> uh huh
5:55 PM B<boxboxbox> I see how that could have been picked up as transhphobic, but there was no intent in making it transphobic
5:55 PM <@taylor_itkin> Okay
5:55 PM B<boxboxbox> Maybe someone thought that I'm being transphobic by describing a character that's not that good of a person but also trans?
5:56 PM I don
5:56 PM <@taylor_itkin> Is that /really/ what you think the issue with the article is?
5:56 PM B<boxboxbox> I don't really know
5:56 PM Yes, that's what I actually think
5:57 PM <@taylor_itkin> It's just incredibly not
5:57 PM It is an incredibly distasteful depiction of a frankly horrible series of events that was 1) unnecessary, 2) yeah, pretty transphobic and not for the reasons you seem to think, and 3) overall pretty disgusting
5:58 PM The fact that you don't seem to understand how you were being transphobic in this article, or possibly refuse to acknowledge, shows me that you really don't care
5:58 PM "I guess people could have interpreted it this way" is not the same as "I wrote something awful and I'm sorry"
5:58 PM and frankly, it is pretty digusting.
5:59 PM It's not just the trans woman int he article who is a "bad person"
5:59 PM you literally have the main character dead name this woman constantly and refer to her genetalia
5:59 PM it's horrific, and yeah, incredibly transphobic
5:59 PM B<boxboxbox> I do! But I don't know why do you keep saying it's disgusting. Do you say that there's no bad trans people out there?
5:59 PM <@taylor_itkin> Does any of that make sense
5:59 PM I do not say that
5:59 PM I absolutely do not say that
5:59 PM Being trans does not automatically make someone a good person and it isn't even close to the point
6:00 PM B<boxboxbox> That's what I mentioned before! The way that the main character reffered to the trans individual
6:00 PM <@taylor_itkin> What about your "it was a joke" comments
6:01 PM B<boxboxbox> So, the initial title of the tale was "It was a joke, you know?", then I changed it to "Unfortunate tale of Marc", which didn't get saved
6:02 PM <@taylor_itkin> ah, I misread the O5 post on that, I see now that it was a title and not a comment you made
6:02 PM that is my bad
6:02 PM B<boxboxbox> I'm serious and that could have also affected how people preceived this article
6:02 PM <@taylor_itkin> Give me a moment
6:03 PM B<boxboxbox> I'm waiting
6:03 PM <@taylor_itkin> So.
6:04 PM The content in the article you posted has many, many transphobic qualities and I'm not going to spend the time to list them all
6:04 PM I've gone in circles enough with this
6:04 PM Do you have anything else to say on your appeal?
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6:05 PM B<boxboxbox> Well, mainly the fact that the main character was being harsh towards the trans individual for a det reasons.
6:05 PM *set of reasons, sorry
6:06 PM <@taylor_itkin> ok. one minute
6:06 PM B<boxboxbox> one way of them being harsh would be, well, deadnaming them
6:06 PM talking about their insecurities, such as parts of their body
6:06 PM <@taylor_itkin> Okay
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6:07 PM <@taylor_itkin> I will be putting your appeal on O5 for the disciplinary team to consult.
6:07 PM If you have nothing else to say, please exit 17.
My thoughts personally are a no sir.
User appeared in 17 to make us aware they were worried their case was going to not be posted to again and add to their appeal. If disc staff could post to make sure this matter is truly closed, I think that would be appreciated by everyone.
Main points:
Well, just to be clear, the comments made towards the trans individual were used not to offend anyone, but to show the helplessness of the main character
I'm surprised that it was taken as if these were my words, and once more, sorry if I managed to offend anybody with it.
I'm not minded to accept the appeal.
Logs below.
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| 18:50 | boxboxbox | Hello, is anyone from the mod team here? |
| 18:51 | MalyceGraves | boxboxbox: one moment please |
| 18:51 | boxboxbox | Okay, thank you! |
| 18:52 | Tuomey | boxboxbox: hi there |
| 18:52 | Tuomey | how can we help |
| 18:53 | boxboxbox | Hello, I have been recently permabanned from the site for reasons that I see as unreasonable |
| 18:53 | Tuomey | yes, I can see you have already appealed this ban |
| 18:54 | boxboxbox | I have been already reviewed for a appeal, but it's been quite a while since the last reply |
| 18:54 | boxboxbox | and I'm afraid the case will be dropped and never looked into again |
| 18:54 | Tuomey | I'll bring it up in staffchat and get people to respond |
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| 18:55 | boxboxbox | Okay, thank you! |
| 18:55 | Tuomey | Is there anything else I can help you with today? |
| 18:55 | boxboxbox | I actually have one more question |
| 18:55 | Tuomey | go ahead |
| 18:55 | boxboxbox | can I add something to my appeal? |
| 18:55 | Tuomey | sure |
| 18:58 | boxboxbox | Well, just to be clear, the comments made towards the trans individual were used not to offend anyone, but to show the helplessness of the main character |
| 18:58 | Tuomey | I'll make sure to add that to the thread |
| 18:59 | Tuomey | Anything else? |
| 18:59 | boxboxbox | I'm surprised that it was taken as if these were my words, and once more, sorry if I managed to offend anybody with it. |
| 18:59 | Tuomey | Okay. |
| 19:00 | boxboxbox | Yeah, that's really all I have to say, thanks for helping |
| 19:01 | boxboxbox | Hopefully see you on the wiki! |
EDIT: Removed irrelevant lines from the chatlog.
Hard no from me.
It's not our responsibility to educate someone on why "this trans person used their trans-ness to make me look like a transphobe and ruin my life!" is transphobic.
This is like…straight out of a transphobic webcomic.
Lastly, why was this tale posted to our site at all? This is completely unprompted transphobia, which has nothing to do with SCP in any way.
An appeal was received.
(2:47:20 PM) boxboxbox: Oh right, sorry.
(2:47:21 PM) boxboxbox: Well it's been a year already since I wrote this short story about a trans female ruining main characters life. It was written mainly as a joke, a troll, but at the end of the story, the main character got a bit violent toward the trans female character. Turns out that the slurs said to the trans female character, classified the story as
(2:47:21 PM) boxboxbox: transphobic. Understandable, given the tone of the story, but at the same time the whole story was a complete mess and nothing but a bad joke from my side.
(2:47:21 PM) boxboxbox: Since I got banned I've been really looking forward to coming back here and trying for a reappeal, as SCP still means a lot to me, and in the last year I've been trying to write, read and educate myself on how to make a c t u a l stories rather than half baked, dumb stories with lack of any reason behind them.
(2:47:21 PM) boxboxbox: Although I still don't really agree on my ban last year, I do understand where was it coming from, and no, I did not intentionally target trans people to make them feel, nor was it an allegory that all trans people are bad.
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(2:48:37 PM) boxboxbox: Oh, well I got kicked
(2:48:45 PM) taylor_itkin: Posted too many lines at once
(2:48:46 PM) boxboxbox: I wrote a little too much, haha
(2:48:50 PM) taylor_itkin: The server auto-kicks, yeah
(2:48:52 PM) taylor_itkin: Sorry about that
(2:48:52 PM) DrBleep: Yeah that happens
(2:48:59 PM) taylor_itkin: I’ll copy the last thing you said
(2:48:59 PM) boxboxbox: Yeah, Im sorry too
(2:49:14 PM) taylor_itkin: Here’s your last message so you can pick up where you left off:
(2:49:16 PM) taylor_itkin: 2:47 PM <boxboxbox> Although I still don't really agree on my ban last year, I do understand where was it coming from, and no, I did not intentionally target trans people to make them feel, nor was it an allegory that all trans people are bad.
(2:49:40 PM) DrBleep: I'm going to let you post the rest
(2:50:26 PM) boxboxbox: Alright, well I just wanted to sum up that the this community matters to me and I don't want a little slip to make it impossible for me to write and enjoy being a member of this wiki.
(2:51:36 PM) boxboxbox: Too bad the rest of the text I wrote didn't send, haha, my bad, it probably would have sounded more "professional" in a way, but anyhow what I said prior is what's important to me
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(2:54:54 PM) boxboxbox: Oh right, sorry, that's pretty much all I have to say
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(2:59:19 PM) DrBleep: boxboxbox for the record I'm going to relay this to Disciplinary, but speaking as a non-binary/trans person I remember the material in question, and I remember it being quite egregious. Your appeal has done nothing, personally, for me to
(2:59:19 PM) DrBleep: Assure me that you understand the *why* in regards to how your tale came across as jaw droppingly transphobic, and incredibly offensive to me and other trans/NB folks on the site. "It was a joke!" is never a good excuse for posting offensive material, and the way you've
(2:59:19 PM) DrBleep: addressed it is to barely acknowledge what you did wrong and appeal to sense of "being excited for the community."
Voting to deny, as I reasoned in the appeal.
This appeal, as I read it is simply "I said something other people thought was transphobic. I didn't mean it to be transphobic, it was a bad joke. I love the site. I still don't understand why I was banned in the first place. This transphobic thing was a little slip."
I vote to deny. The appeal itself is offensive.
Also voting to deny.
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