Disciplinary - boxboxbox

Summary:

Transphobia

Disciplinary - boxboxbox

TheMightyMcB 24 May 2020 00:56

boxboxbox recently posted a tale titled "It was a joke, you know that?" that contained some pretty egregiously transphobic content. The piece has been summarily deleted by staff for the rulebreaking content, but the page source still remains available to any staffers who need access to it.

Last edited on 24 May 2020 18:43 by Zyn Show more

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

Zyn 24 May 2020 18:53

…so, upon reading the posted content… I'm advocating for permaban. I've enacted an emergency ban in the meantime because dear lord, we do not want any of that sort of material on the site.

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

DrEverettMann 24 May 2020 19:39

Seconding.

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

Tuomey Tombstone 24 May 2020 19:54

third

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

taylor_itkin 24 May 2020 22:10

Appeal

<@taylor_itkin> hello
5:48 PM I am a member of disciplinary
5:49 PM are you here to appeal your ban
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5:49 PM B<boxboxbox> Yes, I'm here
5:49 PM <@taylor_itkin> Ok
5:50 PM you may begin your appeal
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5:51 PM B<boxboxbox> What I think got me kicked is the fact that there was a part where the main character of the tale, Marc, made an unpleasant comment towards a trans character
5:52 PM <@taylor_itkin> okay
5:52 PM B<boxboxbox> Now, the comment was pretty explicit, but mainly beacuse of the fact that the trans individual ruined their life
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5:52 PM <@taylor_itkin> uh huh
5:53 PM B<boxboxbox> By faking that Marc has posted pictures of them before the transition
5:54 PM but it's then revealed that the trans individual has known that Marc wasn't behind it
5:54 PM <@taylor_itkin> uh huh
5:55 PM B<boxboxbox> I see how that could have been picked up as transhphobic, but there was no intent in making it transphobic
5:55 PM <@taylor_itkin> Okay
5:55 PM B<boxboxbox> Maybe someone thought that I'm being transphobic by describing a character that's not that good of a person but also trans?
5:56 PM I don
5:56 PM <@taylor_itkin> Is that /really/ what you think the issue with the article is?
5:56 PM B<boxboxbox> I don't really know
5:56 PM Yes, that's what I actually think
5:57 PM <@taylor_itkin> It's just incredibly not
5:57 PM It is an incredibly distasteful depiction of a frankly horrible series of events that was 1) unnecessary, 2) yeah, pretty transphobic and not for the reasons you seem to think, and 3) overall pretty disgusting
5:58 PM The fact that you don't seem to understand how you were being transphobic in this article, or possibly refuse to acknowledge, shows me that you really don't care
5:58 PM "I guess people could have interpreted it this way" is not the same as "I wrote something awful and I'm sorry"
5:58 PM and frankly, it is pretty digusting.
5:59 PM It's not just the trans woman int he article who is a "bad person"
5:59 PM you literally have the main character dead name this woman constantly and refer to her genetalia
5:59 PM it's horrific, and yeah, incredibly transphobic
5:59 PM B<boxboxbox> I do! But I don't know why do you keep saying it's disgusting. Do you say that there's no bad trans people out there?
5:59 PM <@taylor_itkin> Does any of that make sense
5:59 PM I do not say that
5:59 PM I absolutely do not say that
5:59 PM Being trans does not automatically make someone a good person and it isn't even close to the point
6:00 PM B<boxboxbox> That's what I mentioned before! The way that the main character reffered to the trans individual
6:00 PM <@taylor_itkin> What about your "it was a joke" comments
6:01 PM B<boxboxbox> So, the initial title of the tale was "It was a joke, you know?", then I changed it to "Unfortunate tale of Marc", which didn't get saved
6:02 PM <@taylor_itkin> ah, I misread the O5 post on that, I see now that it was a title and not a comment you made
6:02 PM that is my bad
6:02 PM B<boxboxbox> I'm serious and that could have also affected how people preceived this article
6:02 PM <@taylor_itkin> Give me a moment
6:03 PM B<boxboxbox> I'm waiting
6:03 PM <@taylor_itkin> So.
6:04 PM The content in the article you posted has many, many transphobic qualities and I'm not going to spend the time to list them all
6:04 PM I've gone in circles enough with this
6:04 PM Do you have anything else to say on your appeal?
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6:05 PM B<boxboxbox> Well, mainly the fact that the main character was being harsh towards the trans individual for a det reasons.
6:05 PM *set of reasons, sorry
6:06 PM <@taylor_itkin> ok. one minute
6:06 PM B<boxboxbox> one way of them being harsh would be, well, deadnaming them
6:06 PM talking about their insecurities, such as parts of their body
6:06 PM <@taylor_itkin> Okay
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6:07 PM <@taylor_itkin> I will be putting your appeal on O5 for the disciplinary team to consult.
6:07 PM If you have nothing else to say, please exit 17.

My thoughts personally are a no sir.

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

Tuomey Tombstone 25 May 2020 18:04

User appeared in 17 to make us aware they were worried their case was going to not be posted to again and add to their appeal. If disc staff could post to make sure this matter is truly closed, I think that would be appreciated by everyone.

Main points:

Well, just to be clear, the comments made towards the trans individual were used not to offend anyone, but to show the helplessness of the main character

I'm surprised that it was taken as if these were my words, and once more, sorry if I managed to offend anybody with it.

I'm not minded to accept the appeal.

Logs below.

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18:50	boxboxbox	Hello, is anyone from the mod team here?
18:51	MalyceGraves	boxboxbox: one moment please
18:51	boxboxbox	Okay, thank you!
18:52	Tuomey	boxboxbox: hi there
18:52	Tuomey	how can we help
18:53	boxboxbox	Hello, I have been recently permabanned from the site for reasons that I see as unreasonable
18:53	Tuomey	yes, I can see you have already appealed this ban
18:54	boxboxbox	I have been already reviewed for a appeal, but it's been quite a while since the last reply
18:54	boxboxbox	and I'm afraid the case will be dropped and never looked into again
18:54	Tuomey	I'll bring it up in staffchat and get people to respond
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18:55	boxboxbox	Okay, thank you!
18:55	Tuomey	Is there anything else I can help you with today?
18:55	boxboxbox	I actually have one more question
18:55	Tuomey	go ahead
18:55	boxboxbox	can I add something to my appeal?
18:55	Tuomey	sure
18:58	boxboxbox	Well, just to be clear, the comments made towards the trans individual were used not to offend anyone, but to show the helplessness of the main character
18:58	Tuomey	I'll make sure to add that to the thread
18:59	Tuomey	Anything else?
18:59	boxboxbox	I'm surprised that it was taken as if these were my words, and once more, sorry if I managed to offend anybody with it.
18:59	Tuomey	Okay.
19:00	boxboxbox	Yeah, that's really all I have to say, thanks for helping
19:01	boxboxbox	Hopefully see you on the wiki!

EDIT: Removed irrelevant lines from the chatlog.

Last edited on 25 May 2020 18:06 by Tuomey Tombstone Show more

Re: Disciplinary - boxboxbox

DrMagnus 25 May 2020 18:13

Hard no from me.

It's not our responsibility to educate someone on why "this trans person used their trans-ness to make me look like a transphobe and ruin my life!" is transphobic.

This is like…straight out of a transphobic webcomic.

Lastly, why was this tale posted to our site at all? This is completely unprompted transphobia, which has nothing to do with SCP in any way.