Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

Summary:

Maybe underage

Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

Zyn 30 Nov 2019 23:37

Doctor Rodes recently sent me some PMs, starting with:

Titled "my SCP, i need it green lit", consisting solely of the entirety of their SCP article draft:

[…]
Description: SCP-XXXX is a downloadable computer game prototype, developed by █████████ Studios in █████, Japan. The art style, cliché's, and objectives of the game resemble that of a typical Japanese anime dating simulator prevalent within the modern gaming community. SCP-XXXX centers around the player character, a supposed adolescent male, trying to engage in a long-term relationship with one of the six most notable females in his school; Mikasa (an overly aggressive, short adolescents with pink hair, typically observed wearing a large red bow behind their head), Natori (a docile, brown haired individual with a notable propensity for wearing articles of clothing themed around the color blue) […]

When I told them to apply for the site first (as they are not currently a member) and that greenlights are sought on concepts, not drafts, they responded:

oh sorry, i have been trying to figure it all out. i read the guide for newbies just now but i cant seem to find the application code anywhere. do you know where i can find it on the page? i have been lloking everywhere.

thank you for responding.

And then another PM two minutes later:

sorry nevermind, i think i found the help center i will ask them! :)

I'm guessing they're probably underage? Did anyone else get messages like these?

Re: Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

Tuomey Tombstone 05 Dec 2019 00:42

At it with the full drafts in the wrong places:

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12844540/new-scp-idea-be-still-my-coded-heart#post-4438506

http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12844531/be-still-by-coded-heart

Re: Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

A Random Day 05 Dec 2019 01:26

Time to revoke their membership.

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AdminBright 05 Dec 2019 22:37

Second.

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Admin, SCP Wiki

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Zyn 05 Dec 2019 05:08

I could support a revoke, given their cluelessness and the following PM they sent me after I told them the following about their idea:

Please provide a link to a forum discussion for this concept. I don't review any material solely in private messages. That said… what you have here is fairly bland and reminiscent of existing material like Doki Doki Literature Club. I personally don't think what you have here would survive the mainlist.

And they responded with:

Thank you for your input. i provided a link to the discussion form my draft and my concept as well and am looking at it regualrly. Also thank you for the info, been working on trying to make it not so bland as you say. But as for the idea itself, it is not an idea explored just by DDLC, but also gravity falls, and more. However, a idea is but an idea. One can go back and remeber 173 for instance. it was initally found to be bland, strange and a copy of the weeping angels, slender, and more by inital readers. However I see your point. This work was conceptualized by those works.

but thank you for your opinion and your input, this has been helpful and i hope that you will read the full material when it eventually comes up. I cannot promise it will be great or outstanding (this being my first one) nor can i garentee your support as you have stated it does not interest you, however, I do hope for more helpful feedback in the future.

link to dicussion page: [link was here]

Followed by PM:

Forget that last link, my concept is on the discussion board… sorry.

ETA: and after I told them that what they had strayed pretty close to plagiarism and I wasn't interested in reviewing for them

Sorry to bother you, I will work hard. I will stop emailing you. Just wanted to apologize if I annoyed you and for taking up your time.

Thank you for at least responding.

Has anyone else been getting PMs from this user?

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Re: Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

pxdnbluesoul 06 Dec 2019 00:56

Got a PM from them.

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hello, I noticed you are high staff and down-voted my page, and would love to know why.

I have been trying to contact the butterfly squad, and also posted many times on the idea disscussion forum for help and to polish my idea and no one responds.

can you inform me what it needs to imporve on? How can i make it better? And how can i make it worthy of the site?

Thank you,

Dr. Rodes

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ProcyonLotor 06 Dec 2019 03:08

I received an identical PM.

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Zyn 07 Dec 2019 00:50

I received the following today:

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Hey Zyn,

I know i said that was my last email, well this one is. I have since given up on the dating sim idea and am trying to do better. And no, im not underage, i just am clueless and actually have autism.

forgive me for reading the o5 non-disc discussion, but i saw i was most likely going to be revoked. And i guess it hurt. Mixed with the raccon guy's comments telling me that my idea was not only "garbage" but that he also had "no obligation to be nice", really stung. I sent him an apology but i also then sent an email telling him that that type of response goes against rule Zero.

Either way. I might come back and try again… love the work you guys do here and uh… yeah… sorry to bother O5.

Tell Dr. Bright I love his work!

Thanks,
Dr. Rodes

With regards to the violation of Rule Zero ("Don't be a dick")… I feel like it's a toss-up here. I don't see the comment from Coony about the concept being "garbage", but given that the user received feedback from multiple reviewers on their Dating Sim premise prior and still mainlisted the full work (it was deleted at -17, deletion notice here), I can understand why a reviewer may have felt the need for more emphatic language so as to not be essentially ignored as the others were.

At this point I have not responded to the PM.

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ProcyonLotor 07 Dec 2019 03:57

In the spirit of full disclosure, my initial response was as follows:

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Abandon the idea. It's a garbage rip off of a more popular thing, and continuing to try to force it down the site's throat won't be any more successful than it has been so far.

The first half is self-explanatory. It was a shameless ripoff of Doki Doki Literature Club and it was not a well-executed one at that. The second half is regarding their repeatedly ignoring well thought-out critique in both threads and at least one direct coldpost to the site.

This was not unsolicited and was in response to a direct PM asking me to explain my vote on their coldpost. So I did. When I am messaged directly about my thoughts on a piece, by someone known for wasting critiquers' time, I am comfortable using a level of candor and bluntness I would not use in a critique thread.

They sent me a fairly entitled follow-up PM, saying directly that "that wasn't very nice".

I indeed responded that I am not obligated to be nice, because I am not. I gave honest critique in the only manner I thought would reach the user based on their previous behavior.

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Zyn 06 Dec 2019 05:05

Of note, they made a repeat thread for one of their ideas: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12845258/scp-idea:death-by-dating-simulator with the thread summary "I need help polishing this and more. Please help, anyone… I need help and I have tried everything. Please respond."

6 A.I's trapped in a dating simulator which will brainwash men of a specific age to do their bidding while they kill each other so only one can go free. every time the game is turned off, the game resets and so do the A.Is. the brainwashed men become depressed and kill themselves and the A.I try to hop devices to spread their game and code to infect more.

…which received essentially the same feedback I already provided to them before I refused to review the material/the draft and further.

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Zyn 11 Dec 2019 06:28

Re-applied, accepted. Keep an eye on.

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Zyn 12 Dec 2019 07:00

…and upon rejoining, they have:

posted vague feedback: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12851511/the-fog#post-4443904

I Love the idea, but try to flesh out the "they" a bit more. Like what they look like? just some of them? cause we need to see and know some of them to get an idea that they are even there and people arent just dying by some other weird means. :)

Love it though!

posted a very long idea, again based on copyrighted material (Jurassic Park this time): http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12851394/life-always-finds-a-way-scp-idea#post-4443544

ETA: and a day later, thread in Questions Desk asking for assistance with an idea they already had a thread for http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12853606/ideas-too-close#

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Re: Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

Leveritas 12 Dec 2019 12:59

Clearly they don't understand what they did wrong the first time, and I don't think we're responsible for teaching them, since we already tried.

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Zyn 13 Dec 2019 21:28

In the interest of keeping everyone in the loop, I've gotten some more PMs from them:

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Hello Zyn,

I would not write you normally, but i was told by the help desk to try and discuss with you if i disagreed with, or question an action you have taken.

I know I have been fairly difficult up to this point so I understand your position on the matter.

My inquiry is that of the locking of the thread where i am asking for help understanding when an idea is too close to another.

You stated i am spamming and i have a thread already (that being my idea thread) but I was not intending to spam, nor was i desiring to get help for my idea. My reason for going there was to ask for help in understanding were to draw the line. As you can tell, many of my ideas are inspired by other works. So i was asking for assistance for how to tell when my idea seems to close in the eyes of the staff.

Furthermore, in the idea thread, nowhere did you state when to draw a line or to have answered the question at hand. I was told to trim the idea, and was given helpful pointers on the story and idea in general. So i am greatly confused.

Please understand my position. I am genuinely terrified that i will be revoked again for a silly misunderstanding or mistakes again. I am willing to work with you. I am doing my very best and am reading the rules every day to try and minimize my mistakes.

sincerely,
Dr. Rodes

Followed about an hour later with:

I realized my mistake, upon reading my messages in the help thread i did in fact spam by asking for help on the help thread with my idea. However, my confusion with a report of yours on the O5 council still stands and would like to discuss this issue with you further. Please PM me when you have the time to debate.

Thank you.

I asked them what they were confused about and noted that I wasn't sure why a debate was necessary. Since I'm guessing they might not live in the US it might just be odd word choice, though.

That said… I don't remember revoking this user's membership. If I did I would have made a disciplinary thread since a revoke is a disciplinary action.

Did someone revoke the user and not log the action?

ETA: and reply, where it looks like a misunderstanding occurred

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Thank you, what i am confused about is the original idea (before I edited it)'s relation to singulary the Jurassic park franchise.I read on my report that I added a lengthy idea (which I apologize for), but that it was incroaching on the copywrite idea of the films. I am here to simply clarify that jurassic park was not the singular catalyst for my idea, and in an effort to defend myself (should the need arise), I am reaching out to you to inform you that This time I was not attempting to copy an idea, but was infact trying to blend many other ideas about reviving extinct animals into one item which I could then call my own unique spin.

I can see where you got the idea and yes, I thought about this issue of possible connections between them and that is way I involve temporal space time issue within the machine, limited it to just a singular machine, added the concept of having prey and predator embryos added as well, and removed the idea of cloning the dinosaurs. In essence, my idea was more akin to a machine that revives all life in a perfect way, as it would be at the time it existed. be it past or present. Instead of the more scientifically accurate world of using DNA to clone the animals.

Additionally, If it helps, I drew more insparation with my machine in operation and design form these franchies more than Jusrassic park:

-Fossil fighters
-Dino crisis
-Kong Skull Island
- and other dinosaur revival franchises.

the title, "life ALWAYS finds a way" was indeed a reference to the iconic films of jurassic park/ world, and the gentic alterations were indeed inspired from the later films, but I mainly focused on trying to add a unique twist to the reviving dinosaur idea.

Thank you once again for hearing my defense, and I hope the council will be lenient to my mistakes, should a ban be issued due to my frequent mishaps.

Dr. Rodes

I sent back:

The only relevant text in your O5 record I can see is that it was stated that your idea was based on copyrighted material/the Jurassic Park franchise. Which comment from a staff member indicates an accusation that you're encroaching on said copyright?

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Zyn 14 Dec 2019 05:29

Their reply, confirming my hunch that there was a misunderstanding:

Here, I will pull up the exact quote:

"…and upon rejoining, they have:
(skipping over the portion of my vague feedback)
posted a very long idea, again based on copyrighted material (Jurassic Park this time): http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-12851394/life-always-finds-a-way-scp-idea#post-4443544"

I was under the impression that my idea, being partially based on the franchise, was being noted as a mistake or breaking of a rule. That is why I contacted you, because I feared that you, or someone else, misunderstood my idea as another attempt of blatant copying of already existing material, when in fact that was not my intention and instead I was borrowing from a number of franchises and was not intending to plagiaries. Hence my appeal to defend myself.

If this is not true then indeed I simply misunderstood the meaning of adding that bit to the report and greatly apologize for wasting everyone's time.

I sent back:

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I was under the impression that my idea, being partially based on the franchise, was being noted as a mistake or breaking of a rule.

instead I was borrowing from a number of franchises and was not intending to plagiaries.

The point of the mention was to indicate a pattern of basing your material on existing works by other creators. While typically not in itself a rule violation unless outright plagiarism, it is something to note in a record for members of the staff review team.

If staff notice that an author has been told multiple times to write their own unique content rather than borrowing from copyrighted works and said author continues the same behavior, reviewers are justified in declining to provide feedback if there is an indication that their feedback may go ignored (as was the case with your first mainlisted work).

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Re: Non-Disc Record - Doctor Rodes

Zyn 16 Apr 2020 06:08

Got a PM from them out of nowhere:

Dear Zyn,

I am writing you this message during these hard times to say thank you for sticking with me, pushing me, and doing a great job as one of the moderators on this site. You might not remember me from a few months ago, but I was the whiny man-baby who didn't understand the rules for a bit, annoyed you and the admins, and was a general pain. Looking back on those times now, how i felt, how i acted, was childish and ridiculous. I had taken things too personally, i became bitter and and annoying to deal with and it is a wonder how you guys gave me a second chance and allowed me to try again on the site. That being said, I have finally got to a point here on the site where i not only understand, and follow the rules, but i now thrive. I criticize other works, i have my first real SCP in the works, and more. It is because you and the other admins took your time with me, were patient, and passionate enough to be firm with me, even if i didn't understand or misunderstood the more harsh pushes as personal attacks, when in reality they were attempts to reach my stubborn mind. So thank you, thank you and the other site members so much for being some of the best admins i have come across on the internet, and stay safe during this outbreak.

Regards,
Doctor Rodes