So basically, Me and Fiesta got on the subject of religion, we were asked to stop so we did however I amde the mistake of saying it was a banned subject. I was actually unaware this had been removed from the guide so that was my bad and the situation possibly could've been handled better.
Anyway Fiestasheep then kept asking about it, failing to see the point that it was dropped because it clearly made other uncomfortable rather than because it was banned.
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[13:40] <Tagliafierro> Now I am afraid of their ghosts.
[13:40] <Fiestasheep> At last!
[13:40] <Fiestasheep> Progress!
[13:41] <%Piefish> Imagine if all fossils have been put together or found wrong
[13:41] <%Piefish> And dinosaurs were actually just hideous blobs of bone
[13:41] <Fiestasheep> Piefish: Dinosaurs disprove god.
[13:41] <%Piefish> Not necessarily
[13:41] <%Piefish> I'm not religious btw
[13:41] <Fiestasheep> If the world only existed 2000 years. Why would the bones be god-damn old?
[13:41] <%Piefish> There is no good as far as I'm concerned
[13:42] <Fiestasheep> Did a god or anything put them there on purpose to fool us?
[13:42] <%Piefish> Wait
[13:42] <%Piefish> wait one second
[13:42] <Tagliafierro> There is no God*
[13:42] <Fiestasheep> Neither am I, Piefish.
[13:42] <%Piefish> There is no religion that says the world is only 2000 years old
[13:42] <Tagliafierro> No religion please
[13:42] <Fiestasheep> Bible does.
[13:42] <%Piefish> No
[13:42] <Tagliafierro> Please
[13:42] <%Piefish> Cause that would mean when jesus was born the world began
[13:42] <Tagliafierro> Help don't
[13:42] <Niight> guis pls.
[13:42] <%Piefish> And the bible starts long before that
[13:42] <Tagliafierro> No religion pls
[13:43] <%Piefish> okai i stop
[13:43] <Tagliafierro> Thanks
[13:43] <Fiestasheep> Sure.
[13:43] <Tagliafierro> Ily PiePie
[13:43] <%Piefish> FUCK YOU SINNER
[13:43] <Fiestasheep> I mean, we were just maturely discussing the age of the earth.
[13:43] <Fiestasheep> Oh well.
[13:43] <%Piefish> I mean ily too
[13:43] <%Piefish> To be fair
[13:43] <%Piefish> religion is one of the banned subjects
[13:43] <Fiestasheep> Oh-
[13:43] <%Piefish> And if someone asks if we can drop a subject then we should drop it
[13:43] <%Piefish> unless it's unreasonable
[13:44] <%Piefish> Religion causes too many arguments
[13:44] <Fiestasheep> Could you show me where it says it is?
[13:44] <%Piefish> Anyway the earth is billions of years old
[13:44] <Tagliafierro> Did I fucking stutter?
[13:44] <Fiestasheep> Tagliafierro: No you did not.
[13:44] <Fiestasheep> I just asked where it says it's a banned subject.
[13:45] <Paroxysm> brb
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[13:45] <Tagliafierro> I'm pretty sure it's on the guide
[13:45] <%Piefish> one moment
[13:45] <%Piefish> it is
[13:45] <Fiestasheep> Where?
[13:45] <Tagliafierro> See?
[13:45] <Tagliafierro> I know because I read it everytime I go on chat
[13:45] <Tagliafierro> Anxiety stuff
[13:46] <Fiestasheep> I can't find it 0.0
[13:46] <Tagliafierro> Because
[13:46] <%Piefish> I can't either
[13:46] <Tagliafierro> I can
[13:46] <%Piefish> But I know it was there at some point
[13:46] <Tagliafierro> I know where
[13:46] <Niight> Tagliafierro, have I ever mentioned that you're, like, the most interesting person I've ever met
[13:46] <Athena_Grey> maybe it's one of those things that got edited out?
[13:46] <Fiestasheep> Tell us where?
[13:47] <Tagliafierro> Niight: How?
[13:47] <%Piefish> It must've been edited out
[13:47] <%Piefish> it definitely used to say it
[13:47] <Tagliafierro> Behaviour and Culture
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[13:47] <Fiestasheep> This is just like sexuality imo, If people can talk about it maturely, respective and in an objective manner, I think it won't cause much problems
[13:47] <Tagliafierro> It was there
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[13:48] <Fiestasheep> it /was/ there?
[13:48] <Tagliafierro> I remember
[13:48] <Fiestasheep> Should we ping an op or visit by Site17?
[13:48] <Fiestasheep> I'll ask there.
[13:49] <Tagliafierro> Where is it
[13:49] <Tagliafierro> I remember reading it
[13:49] <Tagliafierro> Where did Area14 go, Piefish?
[13:49] <Tagliafierro> Did it get deleted?
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[13:50] <%Piefish> fromthe looks of it
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[13:49] <Fiestasheep> Um, I got a question about a slight problem that arose in Site19 just now.
[13:49] <Piefish> I am an op in 19 Fiestasheep
[13:49] <Piefish> well hop
[13:49] <Piefish> Either way
[13:49] <Piefish> We were asked to stop
[13:50] <Piefish> And when people ask you to stop (unless it's a ridiculous request) you stop
[13:50] <Fiestasheep> Even if no reason was given?
[13:50] <Fiestasheep> I'm not attacking the rule, by the way.
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[13:51] <Piefish> Well clearly it made them feel uncomfortable
[13:51] <Fiestasheep> Well, that is why I am here to ask.
[13:51] <Piefish> And whilst it doesn't say it anymore, it definitely used to be that religion was a topic that wasn't really an ok one
[13:52] <Fiestasheep> He stated, more or less indirectly, that it was because it was a banned subject.
[13:52] <Fiestasheep> While claiming to have read it in the chatguide it isn't present at this point in time anymore.
[13:53] <Piefish> I know I did
[13:53] <Piefish> I was wrong
[13:53] <Piefish> It was on there
[13:53] <Piefish> However at some point it was deleted and I was not aware of it
[13:53] <Fiestasheep> Might it have been changed by the higher-ups to be allowed?
[13:53] <Fiestasheep> That is actually, why I came here.
[13:53] <Fiestasheep> To ask what happened to this rule.
[14:04] <Athena_Grey> there's probably a file on the changes on O5
Now back in 19 Mikealike joins and out of the blue says this:
[13:54] <Mikealike> we should have a kid chatroom
Which causes this;
[13:54] <%Piefish> Why?
[13:54] <Mikealike> meh just thinking
[13:54] <Fiestasheep> No profane language or mature subjects?
[13:54] <Tagliafierro> Yes
[13:54] <Niight> It'd be eternally empty, no doubt.
[13:55] <Mikealike> and so the underage kids can have some fun when they are banned here.
[13:55] <%Piefish> Erm
[13:55] <%Piefish> why?
[13:55] <Mikealike> just thinking out load.
[13:55] <%Piefish> We've got better things to do than babysit underaged
[13:55] <orderfromcha0s> are there really that many u15s kicking about on scp?
[13:56] <%Piefish> There are a lot of them
[13:56] <Tagliafierro> I am underage…
[13:56] <%Piefish> but a ban does the job fine
[13:56] <%Piefish> Tagliafierro shush you
[13:56] <Fiestasheep> Actually, wouldn't it be better for people being here based on maturity, rather than age?
[13:56] <Silber> We've gotten nine-year-olds in here before.
[13:57] <@Tuomey> Fiestasheep: what's a solid metric for measuring maturity
[13:57] <orderfromcha0s> It kind of is anyway, surely. If we can't tell that you're underage, you're fine being here
[13:57] <Fiestasheep> Tuomey: whether or not they'll say the sentence "My mommy does not want me to talk about this" or go insane when so much as a willy is indirectly mentioned.
[13:57] <%Piefish> Fiestasheep: generally if you're behaving yourself and acting mature, we don't ask your age
[13:57] <@Tuomey> Fiestasheep: yeah, uh, that's not exactly a solid metric
[13:57] <%Piefish> But that doesn't mean it's us allowing underage people in
[13:58] <@Tuomey> Age is the closest thing we've got
[13:58] <%Piefish> If we find out they're underage, they still get b&
[13:58] <Silber> Yeah, we only ask someone's age if they act under 15
[13:58] <Fiestasheep> Might I ask, why are underaged kids not allowed?
[13:58] <Paroxysm> I am 12. :^)
[13:58] <%Piefish> I think it's to do with the subjects discussed in here
[13:58] <Mikealike> its like the movies you cant have kids underage watching R rated movies.
[13:59] <orderfromcha0s> well I would think its so we don't have to restrict our discussion to things its ok to talk abotu around kids
[13:59] <%Piefish> Mikealike: illegally…
[13:59] <Silber> Fiestasheep: the site has some content not suitable for kids, and has content/community standards that require people have at least a 15-year-old's level of maturity
[13:59] <Fiestasheep> Piefish: that is exactly how to measure the maturity. If they don't go insane when such a subject is presented
[14:00] <Fiestasheep> And if we're afraid 6 year olds come here and hear about willies. Then wonder how a 6-year old managed to find this site and logged onto IRC XD
[14:00] <%Piefish> That doesn't mean we don't need an age restrictionthough
[14:00] <Paroxysm> Fiestasheep: It's really not that good of a meter, still
[14:00] <%Piefish> You'd be suprised
[14:00] <orderfromcha0s> If there is a warning then nobody complain when ickle johnny can't sleep because of the 173 in his closet
[14:00] <@Tuomey> ^
[14:00] <orderfromcha0s> *can complain
[14:00] <%Piefish> what orderfromcha0s said
[14:00] <Fiestasheep> Also, I don't know if this applies to foreigners too, but those age ratings for movies are more of a recommendation than a restriction
[14:01] <orderfromcha0s> btw, kids. 173 is totally in your closet.
[14:01] <Mikealike> dued i believe ANY body with a 173 in there closet would be scared.
[14:01] <Fiestasheep> So you're telling me, that chatting will induce 173 nightmares, but the site itself isn't age restricted? cx
[14:01] <%Piefish> Well you can't join unless you're 15
[14:02] <Fiestasheep> You can access the site just fine
[14:02] <Fiestasheep> And read all about SCP-173 and their spooky scary skeleton friends.
[14:02] <Fiestasheep> There, writing exercise nailed
[14:02] <JohnathanFlint> Finally! i lvoe when packages arrive haha
[14:02] <Silber> We can't put the entire site behind an age wall, that I know of.
[14:02] <orderfromcha0s> 2spoopy
[14:02] <%Piefish> Also kids can just lie anyway
[14:03] <%Piefish> At least if we put something up then we can't get blamed for not trying
[14:03] <%Piefish> if we have no age restriction then we'll get blamed
[14:03] * Mikealike is now known as not
[14:03] * not is now known as Mikealike
[14:03] <Fiestasheep> Inb4 a chatop turns out to be 12 /lol/
[14:03] * Mikealike is now known as not12
[14:03] <%Piefish> Right
[14:03] <%Piefish> Drop the subject now
13:59 Fiestasheep Could I talk to you for a slight second?
13:59 Tuomey Yes
13:59 Tuomey What's up
13:59 Fiestasheep One sec.
14:01 Fiestasheep It was a small problem about a rule.
14:01 Fiestasheep Well, let me put it as 'rule'
14:02 Fiestasheep It is about the subject of 'religion' being banned, and apparently that being stated in the chatguide at an earlier date, but at this point anymore.
14:03 Tuomey …yes?
14:05 Fiestasheep When a subject about the age of the earth involved the bible's view on it's age one asked us to stop, claiming it was in the rules at one point as a banned subject.
14:05 Fiestasheep I wanted to ask: do you know anything about such a rule being deleted?
14:05 Fiestasheep Because we can't find it.
14:06 Tuomey it was changed to allow discussion of religion and so on, but chat ops can still call an end to a discussion if it becomes disruptive or non-productive
14:07 Fiestasheep The chat-op called an end to it due to one asking us to stop.
14:07 Fiestasheep This person who asked us to stop might have indirectly mentioned that he did because of it being a banned subject.
14:08 Fiestasheep Tough we've veered off-subject in 19 too much to bring it back up, I'll let him know ^^
14:08 Tuomey do you have a point here
14:08 Fiestasheep Sorry? Could you rephrase that?
14:11 Fiestasheep Would you mind if I quoted what you said in main chat to the two persons?
14:12 Tuomey Yes, I would
14:13 Tuomey You don't need to bring it up
14:13 Tuomey And they know that the rule has been changed
14:13 Fiestasheep Piefish and Taglia did not, actually.
14:13 Tuomey Piefish actually does
14:13 Fiestasheep Hm.
14:13 Tuomey He's in staffchat and I'm talking to him
14:14 Tuomey Tagliafierro is perfectly capable of reading the chat guide if he's confused about rules
14:14 Fiestasheep Can I quote you something he said?
14:14 Tuomey Knowing the entire history of every rule ever made is not necessary
14:14 Tuomey sighs
14:14 Tuomey Let me guess
14:14 Tuomey he said it was banned
14:14 Fiestasheep Yes.
14:14 Fiestasheep <Piefish>: religion is one of the banned subjects || If you were online for some time, you can scroll up.
14:15 Tuomey Listen
14:15 Tuomey Sometimes people make mistakes
14:15 Fiestasheep Yeah, I get it.
14:15 Fiestasheep I'm not accusing him of doing his job wrongly or anything alike.
14:16 Tuomey Then I'm not sure what you're getting at
14:16 Tuomey He made a mistake and he knows he made a mistake and the mistake has been explained thoroughly to you
14:17 Fiestasheep Okay, I understand.
Now as mentioned before, I made the mistake of thinking it was still a banned subject, that is my bad however Fiestasheep even after me telling him I made a mistake just would not drop the subject.
This next bit isn't so related to this incident however his behaviour lately has noticeably been in decline mostly down to immaturity and at times creepy with another user which he was warned about multiple times however it wasn't serious enough for logging.
Also just as I am writing this Fiesta and other people seem to be discussing a tale or something he's writing and apparently this was part of it for no reason:
[14:26] <Fiestasheep> I think I'll write a part where 173 is excreting her feces on the bench after the guy makes a compliment to her :DDD
[14:26] <Tagliafierro> No
[14:26] <Fiestasheep> Pure gold, right there
[14:26] <Tagliafierro> Don't
[14:26] <Fiestasheep> Tagliafierro: do note it's a joke tale.
[14:26] <orderfromcha0s> is it hers, though? i thought it was a mystery where its from
[14:26] <Tagliafierro> It's not funny
[14:26] <Fiestasheep> It is XD
[14:26] <orderfromcha0s> might be a joke but gotta keep it canon
[14:26] <Fiestasheep> If you picture it.
[14:27] <Tagliafierro> Nope
[14:27] <Tagliafierro> Doesn't seem funny
[14:27] <Fiestasheep> orderfromcha0s: It won't follow any canon. It's a joke for my sandbox XD
[14:27] <Tagliafierro> Maybe if you write it
[14:27] <Fiestasheep> pfft, Tagliafierro
[14:27] <Tagliafierro> It depends how you write it
[14:27] <orderfromcha0s> definitely
[14:28] <orderfromcha0s> right, gonna be afk for a bit, speak later folks
[14:28] <Fiestasheep> Brb.
[14:28] <Paroxysm> This is giving me cancer.
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[14:29] <Proxima> Does anyone here know physics
[14:29] <%Piefish> > I think I'll write a part where 173 is excreting her feces on the bench after the guy makes a compliment to her :DDD
[14:29] <Proxima> ?
[14:29] <%Piefish> What the fuck?
Edit:
[14:32] <Tagliafierro> Why does it shit on a bench tho
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[14:33] <Fiestasheep> No reason, It just came up.
[14:33] <JohnathanFlint> its so nice when you finally get a package you waited for for week
[14:33] <JohnathanFlint> s
[14:33] <Tagliafierro> Yeah…
[14:34] <JohnathanFlint> I ordered a Tachi weeks ago
[14:34] <JohnathanFlint> i was thinking it was lost
[14:34] <Paroxysm> Tuomey: What?
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[14:35] <Mikealike> the guy proposes to 173 and tons like TONS of poop and blood go every where.
[14:35] <Fiestasheep> Mikealike: YEAH
[14:35] <Fiestasheep> THAT WAS THE POINT.
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[14:35] <Paroxysm> mikealike, fiesta, god please stop
[14:35] <Mikealike> stap screaming your going to make me cry. :'(
[14:35] <Fiestasheep> Sorry ;-;
[14:36] <Paroxysm> it wasn't even funny the first time
[14:36] <%Piefish> Right
[14:36] <%Piefish> Stop
[14:36] <%Piefish> right fucking now
[14:36] <Fiestasheep> Mmkay
[14:36] <Mikealike> okaydokey
[14:37] <%Piefish> Consider this an official warning
[14:37] <%Piefish> Next time no warnings
As you can also see Mikealike isn't really helping with matters either